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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ?" Well a lot of stuff was going to have to go since the country is £155 billion pounds in debt..... in all of the manifesto they were all going to cut something... and when the Independant "Institute of Fiscal Studies" did there report yes they did say they would be the biggest cuts since WW2... However before you make it a party political issue... it also said that the labour and lib dem cuts would have also have been the biggest since the 70's.... whoever "won" the election were always going to have to put up taxes, and were always going to have to cut spending, it was a fact of life when you spend way beyond your means....... | |||
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"yes there are going to be some MASSIVE changes VAT going up PENTION AGE going up etc etc etc and when we had those debates with the 3 party leaders talking hour after hour after hour .......... not one of them mentioned sod all about it i knew that would happen and thats why i dont vote i dont have to sit here now perplexed wondering what manifesto it was in that said the pention age was going up " well when ya live in spain most of the year maybe you are as involved or as affected as the rest of us.... look, lets gets facts right!! the pension age was always going to go up whoever won..... lets not say it wasn't.... it was a labour policy before the election and none of the parties said it was going to reverse that.. it is more a case of what the age was going up to and when you get a country like germany who's pension age is 68 having to bail out greece whos pension at the time was 52 you can see lots of problem where that is money you are paying out, and income you are not getting in.... VAT is an easy thing to put up because even at 17.5% is was still charged at a lesser rate than most of the rest of europe where it is charged at 20-25%..... | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ? Well a lot of stuff was going to have to go since the country is £155 billion pounds in debt..... in all of the manifesto they were all going to cut something... and when the Independant "Institute of Fiscal Studies" did there report yes they did say they would be the biggest cuts since WW2... However before you make it a party political issue... it also said that the labour and lib dem cuts would have also have been the biggest since the 70's.... whoever "won" the election were always going to have to put up taxes, and were always going to have to cut spending, it was a fact of life when you spend way beyond your means......." Interesting how everyone quotes the IFS and points out they are independent. However I believe that if you check the history it was formed to oppose the Wilson (Labour) government in the mid 60's and that it has consistently campaigned for right wing fiscal policies. I believe has never yet supported a single non Tory economic policy however I may be wrong in this, but its right wing pro Tory bias cannot be denied. As for 40% or even 25% cuts, that is not what is going to happen. What will happen is that we are now being set up for another Tory "sell off", just this time its the tools of government that they intend to privatize! Cameron IS Thatcher MkII and knowing that he less than 5 years to dispose of the tools of government where Thatcher had 11 years the assist stripping has to start soon and cant be as subtle as Thatcher was in the beginning. | |||
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"yes there are going to be some MASSIVE changes VAT going up PENTION AGE going up etc etc etc and when we had those debates with the 3 party leaders talking hour after hour after hour .......... not one of them mentioned sod all about it i knew that would happen and thats why i dont vote i dont have to sit here now perplexed wondering what manifesto it was in that said the pention age was going up well when ya live in spain most of the year maybe you are as involved or as affected as the rest of us.... look, lets gets facts right!! the pension age was always going to go up whoever won..... lets not say it wasn't.... it was a labour policy before the election and none of the parties said it was going to reverse that.. it is more a case of what the age was going up to and when you get a country like germany who's pension age is 68 having to bail out greece whos pension at the time was 52 you can see lots of problem where that is money you are paying out, and income you are not getting in.... VAT is an easy thing to put up because even at 17.5% is was still charged at a lesser rate than most of the rest of europe where it is charged at 20-25%..... " i see where you coming from but............ why when asked did they say THERE ARE NO PLANS TO PUT UP VAT? im not saying things dont have to go up but why dont they have the balls to tell us before the election ? | |||
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"As for 40% or even 25% cuts, that is not what is going to happen. What will happen is that we are now being set up for another Tory "sell off", just this time its the tools of government that they intend to privatize! Cameron IS Thatcher MkII and knowing that he less than 5 years to dispose of the tools of government where Thatcher had 11 years the assist stripping has to start soon and cant be as subtle as Thatcher was in the beginning." My god, you really do believe that pile of crap don't you? Cameron is trying his hardest to get this country back on an even keel after 13 very long wasteful years of Brown/Blair spending money they didn't have like it was going out of fashion. I think it's bordering on the criminal what those two bastards have done to this country; they opened our borders and allowed anyone who wanted to come here to settle in the UK no questions asked. I crime rates are up across the board and our NHS is creaking under the weight of foreigners piling in to get free health care that WE pay for. They should be prosecuted for they way they've defrauded the electorate and frittered away OUR money. A company exec that performed as badly as those two clowns would have gone to prison for it. But then you don't vote and don't even live here, so what the fuck are you moaning about it for? | |||
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"As for 40% or even 25% cuts, that is not what is going to happen. What will happen is that we are now being set up for another Tory "sell off", just this time its the tools of government that they intend to privatize! Cameron IS Thatcher MkII and knowing that he less than 5 years to dispose of the tools of government where Thatcher had 11 years the assist stripping has to start soon and cant be as subtle as Thatcher was in the beginning. My god, you really do believe that pile of crap don't you? Cameron is trying his hardest to get this country back on an even keel after 13 very long wasteful years of Brown/Blair spending money they didn't have like it was going out of fashion. I think it's bordering on the criminal what those two bastards have done to this country; they opened our borders and allowed anyone who wanted to come here to settle in the UK no questions asked. I crime rates are up across the board and our NHS is creaking under the weight of foreigners piling in to get free health care that WE pay for. They should be prosecuted for they way they've defrauded the electorate and frittered away OUR money. A company exec that performed as badly as those two clowns would have gone to prison for it. But then you don't vote and don't even live here, so what the fuck are you moaning about it for?" i think the person you are replying to does live in the UK | |||
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"My god, you really do believe that pile of crap don't you? Cameron is trying his hardest to get this country back on an even keel after 13 very long wasteful years of Brown/Blair spending money they didn't have like it was going out of fashion. I think it's bordering on the criminal what those two bastards have done to this country; they opened our borders and allowed anyone who wanted to come here to settle in the UK no questions asked. I crime rates are up across the board and our NHS is creaking under the weight of foreigners piling in to get free health care that WE pay for. They should be prosecuted for they way they've defrauded the electorate and frittered away OUR money. A company exec that performed as badly as those two clowns would have gone to prison for it. But then you don't vote and don't even live here, so what the fuck are you moaning about it for?" I live in Manchester! I'd like to remind you, as your memory seems to be very poor, (or maybe its just selectively poor). I am the person who spent weeks before the election telling you that Cameron was just like Thatcher and in the same way as she told us how she was going to [i]fix[/i] industry, he was saying the same about society! Now we get to see how he will do it, and we all get to live with the results of the stupidity of the likes of you (working class Tories [and theres a laugh in its self]) who swallowed all their crap and voted them in! I will yet again point out to you that it was the US banking and finance industry that defrauded the whole world, NOT either Blair or Brown. Also that it was the last Tory government that deregulated the banking and finance industry in this country. One final thing as you spout your Tory propaganda, how long do you think that your employer is going to continue to pay you for sitting at home doing nothing? And how are you going to manage on the new reduced benefits that are coming and 1 in 4+ of all those civil servants in Newcastle get the chop and are also chasing the few minimum wage jobs that there will be in Tyneside? Hope your ready to move to Edinburgh. | |||
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"The recession is world wide Swingy, it had to do with the banks." Am well aware of that Hun lol well aware xx | |||
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"The recession is world wide Swingy, it had to do with the banks. Am well aware of that Hun lol well aware xx " But it suits your politics to blame Blair and Brown. Sounds about right for a Tory... Remember the directors of Sheffield Forgemasters being prosecuted over the super-gun affair in 90... Who was it said he "was being economical with the truth" when as a minister of the crown he LIED in court and had his daughter LIE so they could pervert justice to line their own pockets? And just so that no one thinks I am jumping on something in 4/5 years time we are already being set up for the Tories to get themselves re elected on the "we brought the troops home" when they pull the troops out of Afghanistan in 4 years time. Shame is it will probably work just like the Falklands worked for Thatcher. | |||
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"I'd like to remind you, as your memory seems to be very poor, (or maybe its just selectively poor). I am the person who spent weeks before the election telling you that Cameron was just like Thatcher and in the same way as she told us how she was going to [i]fix[/i] industry, he was saying the same about society! Now we get to see how he will do it, and we all get to live with the results of the stupidity of the likes of you (working class Tories [and theres a laugh in its self]) who swallowed all their crap and voted them in!" You are living in the past pal. Working class? Don't make me laugh, there is no working class anymore. There's an underclass of scroungers, loafers and layabouts that Labour supporters believe is their grass roots support, and then there's the people who go out to work and earn a wage and contribute to society. That's it. Are you hoenstly going to sit there and tell us that Blair/Brown did NOT instigate an open-door policy to this country to deliberately force us into multi-raciality at the expense of the British way of life? The sane among us saw what they were doing and voted them out because of it, but too late I fear. " I will yet again point out to you that it was the US banking and finance industry that defrauded the whole world, NOT either Blair or Brown. " Brown: I got us out of this recession. It was ME who resolved the banking crisis. Those were his words. Sounds very egomaniacal to me. But, if what you say is true, how did Brown resolve an American banking crisis? He admitted on national TV that he had the opportunity to reign in the carefree bankers and regulate them but he caved in under pressure them the City and didn't do it. HE ADMITTED THAT ON TV. Were you watching or does your TV only tune into Ch4? " One final thing as you spout your Tory propaganda, how long do you think that your employer is going to continue to pay you for sitting at home doing nothing? " Spoke to my boss on Friday actually and he told me to sit tight and enjoy the Summer. Thanks for asking. " And how are you going to manage on the new reduced benefits that are coming and 1 in 4+ of all those civil servants in Newcastle get the chop and are also chasing the few minimum wage jobs that there will be in Tyneside?" Siren works in the public sector and is unaffected by the coming public service cuts. We have a combined salary that takes above any lower limit for benefits so that doesn't apply to us either. Our child benefit goes into a fund for littleun to have when he's at Uni later in life as we don't need it to spend now. "Hope your ready to move to Edinburgh. " Siren's lived there for a while, lovely place by all accounts - never been myself though, we're off holidaying there later in the Summer to stay with friends. What is it you have against the Scots? As a Socialist, that's your spiritual home isn't it? | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ?" The tories have only been in 7 weeks, so how can this be their fault? This is what happens when you combine a world-wide economic slump with years of labour spend spend spend politics. The cuts are going to hurt most people, but I for one would prefer a fair bit of "belt tightening" now, with the likelyhood that it will help the economy, than having the "head in the sand" mentality od Brown and Co! | |||
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"I know politics threads can get passionate, but don't confuse passionate with aggression....so a reminder, can you get your points across without it bordering on aggression. Thanks x" THANKS VERY MUCH ! ive just spent 20 minutes doing press upps , another 5 minutes having my face slapped and someone screaming in my ear "GO ON KILL THEM YOUR A FUCKING TANK" psyching myself up to add to this thread , and now its all wasted | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ?" werent you the person when it was near the election sayin how great and wonderful they are???? | |||
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"i remember few years ago when blair & brown were running (ie ruining) the country they went on these crusades around the world to up their own name ready for lucrative UN statesman positions that they were preparing for themselves,every country they seemed to visit they promised them billions of pounds in aid!,thats why you and i shall have to worker harder & longer to pay this bill because it wont be coming out of the pockets of blair & brown!,it is taxpayers yet again who pay and that means us!. why on earth are we still paying billions per year in aid to china or christ sake?,they have all our manufacturing industry so why are we subsidising them?." And the only things that the Tories (thats the party of law and order and strong defense) have ring fenced and said will not get cut are Health (but they are going to farm more of that off to the private sector and have done away with minimum waiting times to see your doctor) and foreign aid. So with this in mind would you like to explain why you are pointing a finger at Blair and Brown rather than at Cameron and Osbourn? | |||
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"i remember few years ago when blair & brown were running (ie ruining) the country they went on these crusades around the world to up their own name ready for lucrative UN statesman positions that they were preparing for themselves,every country they seemed to visit they promised them billions of pounds in aid!,thats why you and i shall have to worker harder & longer to pay this bill because it wont be coming out of the pockets of blair & brown!,it is taxpayers yet again who pay and that means us!. why on earth are we still paying billions per year in aid to china or christ sake?,they have all our manufacturing industry so why are we subsidising them?. And the only things that the Tories (thats the party of law and order and strong defense) have ring fenced and said will not get cut are Health (but they are going to farm more of that off to the private sector and have done away with minimum waiting times to see your doctor) and foreign aid. So with this in mind would you like to explain why you are pointing a finger at Blair and Brown rather than at Cameron and Osbourn?" Whby don't YOU answer the queston instead of evading the issue posed and deflecting blame away from those directly responsible for the mess this country is in now. | |||
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"The recession is world wide Swingy, it had to do with the banks. Am well aware of that Hun lol well aware xx But it suits your politics to blame Blair and Brown. Sounds about right for a Tory... " Yes and your defence of labour sounds about right for you too Ok the Tories were not perfect no government can be But what i do know is that labour is a nanny state party that insists on wiping everyone's ass and giving absolutely no incentives to work They were in power for the more than a decade and were slowly spending more of other peoples money on creating a service industry economy and not real manufacturing jobs way way before the recession And if you look at the facts Britain was one and i say one of the first countries into recession and one of the last out Call that good management cause i don't there is no right and wrong in all this but i feel its about time they all and we all stopped playing this stupid pointless blame game and got on sorting the bloody mess out However it was caused | |||
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"Almost as much fun as watching the people who voted the torys in I suppose. You can sure tell who voted for who ! " Well i thinks its a bit vague meself xx | |||
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"hehe I got a pic just for you swingy, I will send it to you." xx | |||
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"Almost as much fun as watching the people who voted the torys in I suppose. You can sure tell who voted for who ! " I know what you mean... partisan politics is an interesting thing because they would argue over whether it is night or day, they will never see the other side.... anyway, I didn't vote for the tories or labour.... but at the end of the day I am a realist.... and at the end of the day something was going to have to be done... the tories wanted to cut starting this year... labour wanted to start next year! at some point they were going to have to cut | |||
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"Almost as much fun as watching the people who voted the torys in I suppose. You can sure tell who voted for who ! I know what you mean... partisan politics is an interesting thing because they would argue over whether it is night or day, they will never see the other side.... anyway, I didn't vote for the tories or labour.... but at the end of the day I am a realist.... and at the end of the day something was going to have to be done... the tories wanted to cut starting this year... labour wanted to start next year! at some point they were going to have to cut" And if they got rid of the lot of them all goverment the problem solved lol xx | |||
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"Almost as much fun as watching the people who voted the torys in I suppose. You can sure tell who voted for who ! I know what you mean... partisan politics is an interesting thing because they would argue over whether it is night or day, they will never see the other side.... anyway, I didn't vote for the tories or labour.... but at the end of the day I am a realist.... and at the end of the day something was going to have to be done... the tories wanted to cut starting this year... labour wanted to start next year! at some point they were going to have to cut" Exactly, whoever got voted in they would have had to do the same thing. I am a realist too, and realise that there isn't one party who are perfect or who will tell the whole truth. | |||
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"hehe I got a pic just for you swingy, I will send it to you." Lol @ that pic its dead cute xx | |||
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"hehe I got a pic just for you swingy, I will send it to you. Lol @ that pic its dead cute xx " lol I was waited for to to say piss off | |||
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"hehe I got a pic just for you swingy, I will send it to you. Lol @ that pic its dead cute xx lol I was waited for to to say piss off " Yes i know xx | |||
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"The recession is world wide Swingy, it had to do with the banks. Am well aware of that Hun lol well aware xx But it suits your politics to blame Blair and Brown. Sounds about right for a Tory... Yes and your defence of labour sounds about right for you too Ok the Tories were not perfect no government can be But what i do know is that labour is a nanny state party that insists on wiping everyone's ass and giving absolutely no incentives to work They were in power for the more than a decade and were slowly spending more of other peoples money on creating a service industry economy and not real manufacturing jobs way way before the recession And if you look at the facts Britain was one and i say one of the first countries into recession and one of the last out Call that good management cause i don't there is no right and wrong in all this but i feel its about time they all and we all stopped playing this stupid pointless blame game and got on sorting the bloody mess out However it was caused " I seem to remember it was a certain Mrs Thatcher and Mr Major and their Tory government that fixed our manufacturing industry and formed our "greed is good" service economy in the 80's and early 90's. As for my being a die hard Labour supporter, that is not so. I am die hard ANTI-TORY! I find it amazing how Tory government after Tory government going back over hundreds of years are involved in corruption in public office and subverting the justice system for their own gain while weakening our defenses internal and external, and yet they are still able to find enough stupid greedy people to swallow the same crap that they have pumped out for the last 200 years +. As for the open door for foreigners, I would point out to you that it was a Tory government that took us into the EU and a Tory that signed the Mastrict treaty (that passed power to Europe and opened the door). As for the recession, considering that our economy is so unbalanced in favor of the banking and finance sectors it really amazed me that Brown was able to stop a total collapse and bring us through with relatively little pain, however Cameron's policies as revealed by Osbourn's budget and all his announcements so far are designed to cause maximum pain to all but the super rich (their the ones who OWN the Conservative party) and send us strait back into recession. I just wonder how long it will be till these vultures bring back the workhouses and how they are going to peddle them round the country? Also I would not be so quick to gloat about your security wishy, the Tories have said they want 50% cuts in departmental admin in government, and you can be sure that the majority of those jobs will go in low income traditionally Labour areas and that puts siren directly in the firing line. Unless she is the executioner, and if thats the case I'd not be drawing attention to myself if I were you, because there are going to be a lot of very angry people in your part of the world soon and not as many police to protect those that get the blame for carrying out this governments cuts. As for your boss telling you to enjoy the summer, how long is it since you last had work? I remember you telling us all how you had been laid off for 3 mths on full pay. I also remember how you have told us you are some sort of electrician (sky isn't it?) and earn between £15/20 an hour. Now pt on your thinking cap and put that fine analytical mind of yours to work...now how long do you think that you will be paid so much for enjoying the summer? Do you still think you are so secure? | |||
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"I'm not getting involved in this one.....there will never be a 'right or wrong' because many of us have partisan politics we hold dearly.... " Ive finshed with it now as well lol xx (soapy dont do serious very often not clever enough xx) | |||
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"yes there are going to be some MASSIVE changes VAT going up PENTION AGE going up etc etc etc and when we had those debates with the 3 party leaders talking hour after hour after hour .......... not one of them mentioned sod all about it i knew that would happen and thats why i dont vote i dont have to sit here now perplexed wondering what manifesto it was in that said the pention age was going up well when ya live in spain most of the year maybe you are as involved or as affected as the rest of us.... look, lets gets facts right!! the pension age was always going to go up whoever won..... lets not say it wasn't.... it was a labour policy before the election and none of the parties said it was going to reverse that.. it is more a case of what the age was going up to and when you get a country like germany who's pension age is 68 having to bail out greece whos pension at the time was 52 you can see lots of problem where that is money you are paying out, and income you are not getting in.... VAT is an easy thing to put up because even at 17.5% is was still charged at a lesser rate than most of the rest of europe where it is charged at 20-25%..... " i just thought i would make it clear for you as you seem to have the wrong idea about where we live we live in luton but spend the summer season in spain that means we pay taxes in the uk , and spend the money we earn in the uk that includes spending money on council rates , water rates , car tax and insurance , plus all the other shit everybody else has to pay so we are just as involved and affected as anybody else you seem to imply that lets say a soldier who spends 6 months in afganistan they should not comment or get involved in political events in the uk | |||
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" Also I would not be so quick to gloat about your security wishy," I wasn't gloating. YOU raised the subject and I answered it. " the Tories have said they want 50% cuts in departmental admin in government, and you can be sure that the majority of those jobs will go in low income traditionally Labour areas and that puts siren directly in the firing line." Wrong again. She already knows her position is secure. " Unless she is the executioner, and if thats the case I'd not be drawing attention to myself if I were you, because there are going to be a lot of very angry people in your part of the world soon and not as many police to protect those that get the blame for carrying out this governments cuts." Are you suggesting that the UK is going to descend into violence & anarchy with those in employment hounded, harrangued and even assaulted by those out of work? You're living in an Orwellian mind of your own confusion pal. " As for your boss telling you to enjoy the summer, how long is it since you last had work? I remember you telling us all how you had been laid off for 3 mths on full pay. I also remember how you have told us you are some sort of electrician (sky isn't it?) and earn between £15/20 an hour. Now pt on your thinking cap and put that fine analytical mind of yours to work...now how long do you think that you will be paid so much for enjoying the summer? Do you still think you are so secure? " The job I do is so specialist that I'm one of only 6 engineers in the UK trained to do it. That makes me a valuable commodity to my company. One they are happy to pay a retainer to so that I don't go elsewhere. Do you think I just sit here collecting a pay packet for nothing? I am in continual communcation with my employers and their clients making sure that the next level of installs is planned with efficiency and minimum of disruption. The only difference is I don't have to leave my house to do it. ~ You are coming across as a somewhat jealous person and one who thinks that anyone with a decent level of living should have it stripped from them and redistributed to the poor downtrodden masses. You are niave. It is the movers and the shakers of this world, the middle management workforce of this country that enable contracts to be planned and completed, thus providing jobs for the lower end of the scale. Without us, these projects cannot be completed as top level management wouldn't know a screw driver from a spark plug - but then they are not required to, their job is to secure the contracts. This system is called commercialism and it's leading lights are called capitalists. Without them we are nothing more than a mass of clones supervised by the state and told what to do, wear, eat, watch, when to sleep, and when to work, when to fart and when to piss. I prefer my dirty little capitalist ideals, over your unctuous version of Socialism any day, thank you very much. | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ?" Is it not a COALITION...or am I missing something? | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ? Is it not a COALITION...or am I missing something? " i love you lot!! the summer break from uni i thought would be boring with no political stuff to cheer me up and let me exercise my brain and here it is!! here's a few of my predictions. we are goin into a double dip recession. the cuts are goin to be harsher after the budget. benefits shall be slashed. incapacity has always been a bugbear of the tories and in a way i cant blame them there is illness then there is sheer laziness!! i can think of a few near me who could work but wont work and get everythin held to them from kids gettin transported to school , to every grant going! why should they be cradled!! public sector is goin to feel it really hard dont disallusion yourself into thinking your job is safe its not. unions have started making plans already for strikes etc! private sector, your gonna feel it too dont expect a wage rise or any perks, the time for the working man/woman has gone the only winners will be the shareholders and directors! see it this way private services, wishy im using you as an example and no in a bad way just that you work for a big company who rely on people using their services, but if people cant afford these then there will be lay offs even for the more experienced etc. i know sky is very technologically advanced etc but these things have a short life before somethin else comes along, and younger more qualified people who they can pay less become more in demand. a lot of businesses small and large will either go to the wall or really cut back. the future jobs fund is gone so there a good few million youths on the dole, our pool of talent is goin to shrink rapidly. xx | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ? Is it not a COALITION...or am I missing something? i love you lot!! the summer break from uni i thought would be boring with no political stuff to cheer me up and let me exercise my brain and here it is!! here's a few of my predictions. we are goin into a double dip recession. the cuts are goin to be harsher after the budget. benefits shall be slashed. incapacity has always been a bugbear of the tories and in a way i cant blame them there is illness then there is sheer laziness!! i can think of a few near me who could work but wont work and get everythin held to them from kids gettin transported to school , to every grant going! why should they be cradled!! public sector is goin to feel it really hard dont disallusion yourself into thinking your job is safe its not. unions have started making plans already for strikes etc! private sector, your gonna feel it too dont expect a wage rise or any perks, the time for the working man/woman has gone the only winners will be the shareholders and directors! see it this way private services, wishy im using you as an example and no in a bad way just that you work for a big company who rely on people using their services, but if people cant afford these then there will be lay offs even for the more experienced etc. i know sky is very technologically advanced etc but these things have a short life before somethin else comes along, and younger more qualified people who they can pay less become more in demand. a lot of businesses small and large will either go to the wall or really cut back. the future jobs fund is gone so there a good few million youths on the dole, our pool of talent is goin to shrink rapidly. xx" in your veiw do you think its time to swallow the cyanide pill , or should we give it a few days more ? | |||
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"here here wishy Try Blair an Brown for treason then hang the bastards" Not wanting to open a can of worms- BUT How about B Liar been tried for war crimes????? Back on topic, As people with much greater knowledge than probably most of us on here put together said- If the budget and cuts didn't make people angry then Osbourne wasn't doing his job right. | |||
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"TORIES AT IT AGAIN more spending cuts since the second world war more jobs to go and DLA CUTS NOW what next ? Is it not a COALITION...or am I missing something? i love you lot!! the summer break from uni i thought would be boring with no political stuff to cheer me up and let me exercise my brain and here it is!! here's a few of my predictions. we are goin into a double dip recession. the cuts are goin to be harsher after the budget. benefits shall be slashed. incapacity has always been a bugbear of the tories and in a way i cant blame them there is illness then there is sheer laziness!! i can think of a few near me who could work but wont work and get everythin held to them from kids gettin transported to school , to every grant going! why should they be cradled!! public sector is goin to feel it really hard dont disallusion yourself into thinking your job is safe its not. unions have started making plans already for strikes etc! private sector, your gonna feel it too dont expect a wage rise or any perks, the time for the working man/woman has gone the only winners will be the shareholders and directors! see it this way private services, wishy im using you as an example and no in a bad way just that you work for a big company who rely on people using their services, but if people cant afford these then there will be lay offs even for the more experienced etc. i know sky is very technologically advanced etc but these things have a short life before somethin else comes along, and younger more qualified people who they can pay less become more in demand. a lot of businesses small and large will either go to the wall or really cut back. the future jobs fund is gone so there a good few million youths on the dole, our pool of talent is goin to shrink rapidly. xx in your veiw do you think its time to swallow the cyanide pill , or should we give it a few days more ?" nah few more wks should be fine!!! see in all honesty, there are some cuts that do need to be made beuracratic waste is unreal! and we really have been taken by the hand too much with what we recieve and what we pay for it. i just dont want us to end up back in the 80s and the unrest etc that came with it but i dont want the country down the tubes either and to be honest its not really looking good! i know i can support myself whatever the outcome, but there are many people who cant for good reason but on the flip side there are some who can but wont and who rely on the state to provide everything. my view will always be different to yours because i live in scotland and its a different way up here. you can always bugger off back to spain when it gets too tough lol!! x | |||
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"see it this way private services, wishy im using you as an example and no in a bad way just that you work for a big company who rely on people using their services, but if people cant afford these then there will be lay offs even for the more experienced etc. i know sky is very technologically advanced etc but these things have a short life before somethin else comes along, and younger more qualified people who they can pay less become more in demand." Generally, I'd agree with you on that but in my case it's a little different in so much as the work I do is for companies investing in their network for the next decade. The equipment already out there has a finite lifespan before it becomes obsolete and/or uneconomical to repair. Couple that with spare parts getting fewer and fewer on older and older equipment and it's not difficult to see that, recession or not, this equipment has to be replaced and it's a backwards move to replace it with similar stuff - the budget for this year was agreed last year, and next year's equipment requirements has already been determined. It takes upto 3 months lead time to oder and acquire new equipment from the manufacturing company in Switzerland and they have to pay for it when it's delivered. In the normal ebb and flow of the telecommunications world, ie. homeowners tightening their belts during a recession, sure, there will be a fall off in consumer demand and, unfortunately, it's the network engineers who will feel that pinch. My job is diferent from theirs and it's impervious to consumer cutbacks. But, nothing is set in stone I guess and a double dip recession may well have an effect on me too. Let's hope @Osbourne has got it right and a d/dip doesn't happen - the growing crisis in the Eurozone is probably the only thing that could set it off and we've got limited exposure to that, thank god. | |||
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