FabSwingers.com forum: Isis behead Steven Sotloff

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

According to the news

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

oh dear lord... poor poor man x

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I saw it on the news too.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Seems it's gonna soon be time to take the gloves off and go after these barbarians or would that be is falling into their neatly set trap ?

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

His poor family and friends

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems it's gonna soon be time to take the gloves off and go after these barbarians or would that be is falling into their neatly set trap ? "

It may well be falling into the trap. It's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. And I'm personally wondering why the beheadings have started again. They were done in the region for a while but then seemed to just stop, only to start again now.

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By *lligator3Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Impossible to reason with religious extremists...horrific stuff 'in the name of their god' makes it's hard to find a solution.

The concern in the uk is the homegrown jihadists joining the cause...I fear for when they don't leave the uk to fight their fight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to the news

if its true then my thoughts are with his family and friends at this difficult times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Impossible to reason with religious extremists...horrific stuff 'in the name of their god' makes it's hard to find a solution.

The concern in the uk is the homegrown jihadists joining the cause...I fear for when they don't leave the uk to fight their fight!"
their cause Is a

Lost one before they start but they

Have to ram it down everyone,s throats

And Innocent people have to suffer and

More, typical terrorists and cowards

more a cancer than anything.

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

dear Lord,bless the poor man and family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time to chop off some, Isis. heads now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evil, disgusting people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Evil, disgusting people

I echo that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These idiots aren't real Muslims.

Religious texts are often written in the specific context of a very different world of hundreds of years ago. Most people understand this and simply look to underlying ethical guidance within them.

But some selectively quote passages out of context to justify clearly unacceptable behaviour. As the saying goes: the devil can quote scriptures for his purpose.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Find them, kill them, and others take their place, kill them fuckers too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they are British take there family's into custody and make the same threats!!!! Or follow the same actions

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"If they are British take there family's into custody and make the same threats!!!! Or follow the same actions"

would that then not make us as evil and barbaric as them?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"If they are British take there family's into custody and make the same threats!!!! Or follow the same actions"

how on earth would that help....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they are British take there family's into custody and make the same threats!!!! Or follow the same actions"

Yes. Let's recruit more extremism maybe then we can start claiming commission for the amount of people we'd push into what we're trying to prevent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably wouldn't help and is just as barbaric I guess. But they need stopping some how!! And I don't think another war is a option although sadly a possibility

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Probably wouldn't help and is just as barbaric I guess. But they need stopping some how!! And I don't think another war is a option although sadly a possibility"

they do need stopping but it will have to be done militarily and it needs to be a global response led by other countries from that region..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trouble is 'boots on the ground' is a no win situation. It almost fuels ISIS ideology and gives them exactly what they want, a war and a bigger reason and influence to recruit. America know this, which is why at the moment it seems like nothing is being done. The Iraq war is a perfect example and that's what ISIS stemmed from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is 'boots on the ground' is a no win situation. It almost fuels ISIS ideology and gives them exactly what they want, a war and a bigger reason and influence to recruit. America know this, which is why at the moment it seems like nothing is being done. The Iraq war is a perfect example and that's what ISIS stemmed from.

If you look at some of the rhetoric coming out there is no way to end things, at first glance. Lack ofresponse is something they will use to justify their cause. Military response is something that they will use to justify their cause and throw napalm on the fire. Diplomatic negotiation will lend credence to their claim of legitimate statehood, justify their cause, etc. Plus they don't actually want to negotiate so they will go nowhere fast. It's nearly the ultimate stalemate.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Islamic extremists do seem to be more aggressive in their tactics than they used to be, eg. North Nigeria, Syria, Iraq etc. I wonder why?

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

I must admit, I have to keep asking myself why aren't the UK communities doing more to root out these nut jobs?

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By *angzMan
over a year ago

Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle

"According to the news

Terrible news. Feel for his loved ones.

These sickos make saddam look like a saint.

Hope bush and blair feel happy with themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Islamic extremists do seem to be more aggressive in their tactics than they used to be, eg. North Nigeria, Syria, Iraq etc. I wonder why? "

Because they can use the media to make sure it does make people go omg now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really can't see who they think doing this to innocent people gains them anything. you have to feel for the families on this.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

there is another side to this story....

at the end of the latest video there is a picture of the next person they are threatening to kill in this manner.... and they are claiming he is british...

at the moment the family and the FCO (foreign office) have both asked newspapers not to name who he is.... it will be interested to see if someone "breaks cover" and names him....

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

There is mass genocide taking place on a daily basis and we are worried about two journalists. Yes it is sad and appalling but there is mass killing of innocent people who just happen to be either non Muslim, or the wrong kind of Muslim. These killings are going on their hundreds if not thousands every week across Syria and Iraq.

The last Holy Wars lasted nearly three hundred years and I suspect that these will last a very long time as well. For now, these Barbarians are largely content ethically cleansing parts of Syria and Iraq but that is only the beginning. Make no mistake that this is a Holy War in their own minds and the only possible outcome for them is a planet under the control of their kind of religious extremist.

Hitting these people hard now will only result on more hatred of "the west" and more 9/11 type attacks. Not hitting them hard now will enable their power and influence to grow in the region.

A day of reckoning will come sooner or later but who decides when and how? These are probably the most dangerous times in our lifetimes and we have to hope that the bad decision that will have to made sooner or later is just the best of all the bad decisions because in my opinion, the aftermath will haunt us for generations to come.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought, but had we left Sadaam to get on with it maybe we wouldn't be in this mess. The vacuum that has been created by the over throwing of strong leaders in the region has led to a struggle for power amongst the various ethnic factions and a rise in extreme anti-western _iews. Part of me thinks we should stay well out of it but the whole region needs leadership and we should try and help, but at the moment we seem to have no strategy and no ideas. And all the while innocent people from all sides suffer.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

Fear is a great weapon to them.

Another problem is their funding, as a lot of cash is said to be coming from countries like Saudi Arabia. Also their weapons.. which we probably sold to the Saudis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Islamic extremists do seem to be more aggressive in their tactics than they used to be, eg. North Nigeria, Syria, Iraq etc. I wonder why? "

Motivation, mostly. In the past the was more political motivation. Terror tactics were used to gain political favour, change an agenda, force negitiation, etc. Islamists are ideologically motivated more than politically. They quite often aren't interested in negotiation and often will profess to accept nothing less than complete defeat of their enemy. I'm oversimplifying more than a little but that's part of it, anyway

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

we tried to help when the Jews moved to Palestine after WW2. Look where that got us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Islamic State are going to continue their campaign in Syria and Iraq. They may well appear in other gulf states, maybe even attacking Iran, leading to a full scale war.

The worst scenario would be for IS to attack Turkey. With Turkey being a member of NATO, the west would have to intervene. IS would not survive as one unit, but terrorism in Europe and the USA would escalate.

They need to be stopped now, but by the Arab League, with or without the support of the west. There is no real alternative.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The uk/usa create and fund and weaponise isis to fight against syria.

Now isis has suddenly changed direction, become too big and wild.

History repeating its self- you'd think the usa would have learned after creating al-qaida.

and now the usa is now looking to fill the kurds with weapons to fight isis....

And the circle goes on. Probably only stop when the oil runs out...

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

some reports suggest that ISIS are making over 1 million per day from possesion of oil fields/oil sold on the black market. Plus the pots of money the Arab countries are gifting to them. The religion is a smoke screen. The terrorists are just henchmen, and at the bottom of the scale are the gullible converts, recruited to help do the dirty work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"some reports suggest that ISIS are making over 1 million per day from possesion of oil fields/oil sold on the black market. Plus the pots of money the Arab countries are gifting to them. The religion is a smoke screen. The terrorists are just henchmen, and at the bottom of the scale are the gullible converts, recruited to help do the dirty work!"

Who knows really who is doing what its just sad how the ordinary people are suffering once again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who knows really who is doing what its just sad how the ordinary people are suffering once again.

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There

Will be always be suffering with terrorists about and yes I agree with

You ordinary people everytime, If you Read the history books even saladin had

Respect for richard the lionhearts

Tenacity and courage in battle and as

A leader as did richard of saladin but

when your dealing with fanatic,s and Henchmen

Your dealing with the devil as its

The devil that controls them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

was just a matter of when. i think its the same for all those being held

we need another ground operation to try and free them. read somewhere that an earlier attempt failed

Noone should die like that. And for his family to have to deal with the horrible details and knowing these sickos have stuck a video of it on the net is just beyond terrible

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By *ymph and ManicCouple
over a year ago

North East

.. problem being who are these fanatics ... they dont wear a uniform .. hide behind innocent civilians .. etc etc etc .. .. .. do we just kill indiscriminately .. or target individuals know to the government and our allies ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Take the executioners family behead them and post it world wide!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Take the executioners family behead them and post it world wide!"

Would you hack the head from a human being? How would that help the situation?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" .. problem being who are these fanatics ... they dont wear a uniform .. hide behind innocent civilians .. etc etc etc .. .. .. do we just kill indiscriminately .. or target individuals know to the government and our allies ... "

You can't. You can only bomb the area which of course means civilians will lose their lives.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Take the executioners family behead them and post it world wide!"

which makes us as barbaric as them..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No definitely not but how else do you make these people realise how precious life is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its as simple as this. If your child was bullied you would deal with it. An eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone on my face book said they just watched a video of it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No definitely not but how else do you make these people realise how precious life is?"

So who do you suggest carries out such a barbaric act?

Why won't you do it if you're calling for it to he done?

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By *icked weaselCouple
over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Mass immigration, Poverty and Being Dragged into Others Brutal Ethnic Wars..

To Name But a Few.. !!

Welcome to The U.K..

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

"No definitely not but how else do you make these people realise how precious life is?"
tbf mate, they obviously place little value on another human life, be it family or otherwise.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

got to love the conspiracy theorists

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By *al2001Man
over a year ago

kildare

"No definitely not but how else do you make these people realise how precious life is?tbf mate, they obviously place little value on another human life, be it family or otherwise. "

and our side does understand the value of life?

Yes we do,when its a western life,we havent cared about muslim lives in the past and thats what has us here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"got to love the conspiracy theorists"

just stop believing everything you see on the news.

They are rallying up public support both here and US for more troops to be sent bsck to iraq.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcUMJ_qmFY

they are laughing and giggling.

watch this video and tell me that this is the reaction of siblings to somone who was meant to be beheaded.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

"No definitely not but how else do you make these people realise how precious life is?tbf mate, they obviously place little value on another human life, be it family or otherwise.

and our side does understand the value of life?

Yes we do,when its a western life,we havent cared about muslim lives in the past and thats what has us here"
so we go and behead all of his british relatives (assuming we can find out who he is)? That's really going to help matters isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched david Cameron in Westminster say he would not bow to IS etc.

Would he have sat in front of the guys family and friends and look them in the eye and explain completely why he abandoned him to his fate !!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think you might find they would be a tad upset if it was their mothers being humiliated and butchered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually the more I think about how much I love my family and way of life just give me the job!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It worries me the amount of people who actually watch this sick stuff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to watch on youtube. But, thankfully, I resisted out of respect to their families.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was going to watch on youtube. But, thankfully, I resisted out of respect to their families. "

I just dont understand why seemingly civilised people feel the need to watch it

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I was going to watch on youtube. But, thankfully, I resisted out of respect to their families. "

Its what these sicko murderers want, they want people to watch these videos, but i refuse to watch these videos, and if others also refuse to watch we are already beating them in this war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was going to watch on youtube. But, thankfully, I resisted out of respect to their families.

Its what these sicko murderers want, they want people to watch these videos, but i refuse to watch these videos, and if others also refuse to watch we are already beating them in this war. "

I find it really upsetting that so many do watch them

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

I've seen the still shot from the video with an ice bucket photoshopped over his head saying Foley Ice Bucket Challenge.

Posted on facebook by the conspiracy theorists, of course.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I've seen the still shot from the video with an ice bucket photoshopped over his head saying Foley Ice Bucket Challenge.

Posted on facebook by the conspiracy theorists, of course."
What a bunch of cunts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've seen the still shot from the video with an ice bucket photoshopped over his head saying Foley Ice Bucket Challenge.

Posted on facebook by the conspiracy theorists, of course.What a bunch of cunts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was going to watch on youtube. But, thankfully, I resisted out of respect to their families.

I just dont understand why seemingly civilised people feel the need to watch it

I suppose it's the same reason why we watch animal abuse programmes on tv, books about child abuse and horror films. People who watch this are not usually sitting there with a hard on. They watch it with horror. They watch it to know what happens.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"I've seen the still shot from the video with an ice bucket photoshopped over his head saying Foley Ice Bucket Challenge.

Posted on facebook by the conspiracy theorists, of course."

Sick shits

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