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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote" I take it you will be voting yes then 
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote" So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? " Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?  | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote? "Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote? 
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote? "Well they did back in 1979 when they were deciding on a Scottish parliament, which is why I asked the question. | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Well they did back in 1979 when they were deciding on a Scottish parliament, which is why I asked the question. "Not quite - It needed a 40% minimum turnout back then, not that they decided because people didn't vote they were saying no to it (as someone else is making out). They just didn't vote to say yes or no. This time it is just a majority vote. | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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Because there are a lot more people in England than Scotland, so such a vote could be as unfair as the current parlimantary system is for Scotland."Ah! So the majority are ineligible whilst the minority are? Sounds a totally fair system! 
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
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Presumably because the question is does Scotland want to leave the union. If it was does England want to leave the Uk, then the English would have the vote and not the Scottish, Welsh or Northern Ireland"It's still hardly a logical argument! Scottish independence affects the English for exactly the same reasons that both the yes and no camps declare it affects the Scottish. It's like saying if Cornwall (or any other county) wanted independence from the rest of England then only the residents of that county should be eligible to vote - even though such a decision would affect all other counties - especially the bordering ones. A | |||
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"Just the same as it's going to be when england holds its referendum on leaving Europe" Silly me. I forgot that England would be able to vote on that separately from the rest of the UK | |||
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"Just the same as it's going to be when england holds its referendum on leaving Europe Silly me. I forgot that England would be able to vote on that separately from the rest of the UK" I wouldn't worry about it, some people on the yes side just see the Referendum as a way of getting rid of the English (they forget about everyone else) | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
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Because there are a lot more people in England than Scotland, so such a vote could be as unfair as the current parlimantary system is for Scotland.
Ah! So the majority are ineligible whilst the minority are? Sounds a totally fair system!
A"Not when one considers that prior to James 1st (formerly 6th of Scotland) uniting the two nations, England attempted to brutally control Scotland. Or the fact that in recient years Westminster has taken advantage of that population difference to force bad legislation onto Scotland (like the poll tax, which was forced onto Scotland 1 year before England, and no notice taken of people protesting about it, yet when introduced into England a rethink was considered after a the first year). Surely it is time the Scottish had the chance to decide whether to be independant for themselves. | |||
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"It's highest vote count straightforward vote, except if its YES then scotland becomes independent If it's NO then they start work on the next referendum until it comes out yes "yeap it will happen eventually | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out " if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out " Why buy the English out, the Scottish have been paying the same National Insurance and Tax (at least until reciently) as the rest of the UK, they would have every right to simply keep their part of the NHS. | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out Why buy the English out, the Scottish have been paying the same National Insurance and Tax (at least until reciently) as the rest of the UK, they would have every right to simply keep their part of the NHS. " Not just talking of the NHS but everything. How would the oil gas and such be split ? | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out Why buy the English out, the Scottish have been paying the same National Insurance and Tax (at least until reciently) as the rest of the UK, they would have every right to simply keep their part of the NHS. Not just talking of the NHS but everything. How would the oil gas and such be split ?" if its in scottish waters its scottish. if its in english waters its english. in the same way as it is currently with uk and norway | |||
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"Not just talking of the NHS but everything. How would the oil gas and such be split ?" If it's a YES then whatever falls in Scotland's borders becomes Scottish, they will then take on the running costs, but as someone has already said in the case of public facilities they have already paid the taxes that bought them. North Sea oil will be split on an internationally agreed projection of land borders out to sea. Less clear items are things like military e.g. do Scottish regiments become Scottish? what happens to the training grounds / bases do we keep the Submarine bases in Scotland or move them with the jobs to England etc... Do we split National debt with Scotland, if so how much? lots of detail to work out but all irrelevant until the vote is cast. | |||
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"If a yes vote the revenue from oil is interesting. Does SNP spend the revenue or try and save it." Norway has had a twenty year head start with it's oil fund. It's been predicted by economists that Scotland couldn't start a similar scheme. "In the mid-1990s, mindful of see-sawing oil prices, oil-rich Norway started to invest significant amounts of its offshore income into an investment fund, now worth £450bn. The Scottish government has praised this approach and contrasted it with the British approach of using the revenue to fund general government spending. Of course, like all savings plans, building up oil wealth for future generations would mean spending less in the short term, which might be painful or impossible. Economists have cast doubt on an independent Scotland’s ability to start paying into an oil fund without raising taxes or cutting spending, saying the books just don’t balance. The think tank NIESR put it bluntly in a recent study, saying: “No surplus revenues would be available to fund a Norwegian-style fund.”" Add in the cost of extraction, wildly fluctuating prices for gas and oil - and the uncertainty of reserve size (estimated as being between anything between 12 and 24 billion barrels) - and the oil argument is a tricky point! Sure - over the next couple of decades it may be lucrative - but in 40 years (which is the industry estimate for when it runs dry!) what then? Where is the alternative cash cow? A | |||
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"As for oil, no one knows how much is there. Ever heard of abiotic oil theory? According to this theory oil isn't biotic, ie fossil, rather its created by tectonic forces and therefore never ending. Scotland would own the rights to any and all revenue from anything it economically produces. I for one will vote yes, our children deserve it." I'm easy either way. I suspect England will survive without Scotland a lot easier than the other way round. And if the oil runs out quicker than anticipated - then it's the future generations of Scotland who may well regret the decisions of their parents. Guess only time will tell. A | |||
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"According to this theory oil isn't biotic, ie fossil, rather its created by tectonic forces and therefore never ending." Um..... how do you explain the dried up oil wells in the USA then  no matter how it is produced, if you take it out faster than it is made then it will run out once the reservoir is drained. | |||
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"According to this theory oil isn't biotic, ie fossil, rather its created by tectonic forces and therefore never ending. Um..... how do you explain the dried up oil wells in the USA then no matter how it is produced, if you take it out faster than it is made then it will run out once the reservoir is drained."That's a fallacy that oil is drained from any well, when a well is capped it only means that at this present time whoever is taking it out (big companies usually) finds it economically unfeasable. There are thousands of little independents out there reopening capped wells that were supposedly dry and making millions, big companies want billions. | |||
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"According to this theory oil isn't biotic, ie fossil, rather its created by tectonic forces and therefore never ending. Um..... how do you explain the dried up oil wells in the USA then no matter how it is produced, if you take it out faster than it is made then it will run out once the reservoir is drained.
That's a fallacy that oil is drained from any well, when a well is capped it only means that at this present time whoever is taking it out (big companies usually) finds it economically unfeasable. There are thousands of little independents out there reopening capped wells that were supposedly dry and making millions, big companies want billions."So do countries!
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"According to this theory oil isn't biotic, ie fossil, rather its created by tectonic forces and therefore never ending. Um..... how do you explain the dried up oil wells in the USA then no matter how it is produced, if you take it out faster than it is made then it will run out once the reservoir is drained.
That's a fallacy that oil is drained from any well, when a well is capped it only means that at this present time whoever is taking it out (big companies usually) finds it economically unfeasable. There are thousands of little independents out there reopening capped wells that were supposedly dry and making millions, big companies want billions.
So do countries!
A"Agreed, there is also a myth that we are using more than is there. We as a nation using oil could invest, very much like opec countries like Qatar in renewable energy. My daughter just got a phd in geo thermal energy, funded by the SNP. | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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Because there are a lot more people in England than Scotland, so such a vote could be as unfair as the current parlimantary system is for Scotland.
Ah! So the majority are ineligible whilst the minority are? Sounds a totally fair system!
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" And if the oil runs out quicker than anticipated - then it's the future generations of Scotland who may well regret the decisions of their parents. Guess only time will tell. A" Haha I love these zany lines people come away with. I can just see my grandson wiping a year from his eye as the last drop of oil is removed and shouting "why didn't my grandparents send all this oil money to Westminster and let them look after it for us? Then we could have gotten 10% of it instead of 100% and we'd still be allowed to let them choose our governments for us! Why Grandad!" | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
A"So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice | |||
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"If a yes vote the revenue from oil is interesting. Does SNP spend the revenue or try and save it. ...................." According to Salmond's sums, he's going to do both. | |||
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"If a yes vote the revenue from oil is interesting. Does SNP spend the revenue or try and save it. .................... According to Salmond's sums, he's going to do both." Is Gordon Brown his economic advisor? | |||
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"If a yes vote the revenue from oil is interesting. Does SNP spend the revenue or try and save it. .................... According to Salmond's sums, he's going to do both." 1st off you're not voting for Salmond, 2nd he doesn't do sums, 3rd you're not voting SNP. We are voting "Do we want to be independent and govern ourselves" Simple | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice"Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ? It's actually exactly the same bet so: If Scots yes England no then part If Scotland No England yes then Part If Scotland No England no then Stay If Scotland yes England yes then part The logic being if either side does not want the other then part | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice
Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ?
It's actually exactly the same bet so:
If Scots yes England no then part
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If Scotland No England no then
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If Scotland yes England yes then part
The logic being if either side does not want the other then part
"An alternative would seem to be that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all stay in the United Kingdom and England becomes independent because nobody from England appears to realize they aren't the only ones in the Uk. Incidentally we would be keeping the pound sterling as Scotland used it earlier in history than England did! | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice
Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ?
It's actually exactly the same bet so:
If Scots yes England no then part
If Scotland No England yes then
Part
If Scotland No England no then
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If Scotland yes England yes then part
The logic being if either side does not want the other then part
An alternative would seem to be that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all stay in the United Kingdom and England becomes independent because nobody from England appears to realize they aren't the only ones in the Uk. Incidentally we would be keeping the pound sterling as Scotland used it earlier in history than England did!"OK. Thats a deal, but only if you take the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh. | |||
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"If they win, will the leader be a Prime Minister or President. " I assume that by win you mean leave the Uk The present idea is a prime minister but the Queen as head of state as in UK | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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"we would be keeping the pound sterling as Scotland used it earlier in history than England did!" If it happens you can call your currency whatever you want, just that it won't be the same as the UK£ many countries use the £ as a currency just as many use the $ they don't have to be tied together in the currency market. Probability is that an independent Scotland will use the Euro within a few years anyway the size of minority will be vast when Scotland tries to negotiate it's place in the EU. | |||
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"we would be keeping the pound sterling as Scotland used it earlier in history than England did! If it happens you can call your currency whatever you want, just that it won't be the same as the UK£ many countries use the £ as a currency just as many use the $ they don't have to be tied together in the currency market. Probability is that an independent Scotland will use the Euro within a few years anyway the size of minority will be vast when Scotland tries to negotiate it's place in the EU." You didn't read the post properly. WE would be the UK! | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want" The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. " Not so much 'have a say' as 'have complete control'. | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. " You're sadly mistaken if you think its only the NHS in Scotland that's fucked. The current backlash in NHS shit was caused wholly by Brown, Blair et al and their attempts at Americanising the NHS. Please don't retort like most non SNP supporters who keep saying "you can't blame everything on Labour" Yes we can | |||
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"I genuinely believe that a decision has already been made and we the public are just getting a vote to make it look half legitimate " Don't look behind you | |||
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"I genuinely believe that a decision has already been made and we the public are just getting a vote to make it look half legitimate Don't look behind you "Why? Lol | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
A"My thoughts entirely. Totally undemocratic. I think that secretly Alex fish face doesn't actually want to win - because he know's it will be bad for Scotland - but wants to go down in history as the man who fought for Scotish Independence. After all, he's a politician - only in it for himself. I mean, if he really wanted to guarantee a 'Yes' vote he'd let us all have a say  | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. " OMG ! I really do not know but I have a suspicion you have written the truth | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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My thoughts entirely. Totally undemocratic.
I think that secretly Alex fish face doesn't actually want to win - because he know's it will be bad for Scotland - but wants to go down in history as the man who fought for Scotish Independence. After all, he's a politician - only in it for himself.
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll " It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. OMG ! I really do not know but I have a suspicion you have written the truth" Scotland's amateur. You have only a few years of debate about independence. In Northern Ireland we discuss it properly! | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so?" Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh  | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice
Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ?
It's actually exactly the same bet so:
If Scots yes England no then part
If Scotland No England yes then
Part
If Scotland No England no then
Stay
If Scotland yes England yes then part
The logic being if either side does not want the other then part
An alternative would seem to be that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland all stay in the United Kingdom and England becomes independent because nobody from England appears to realize they aren't the only ones in the Uk. Incidentally we would be keeping the pound sterling as Scotland used it earlier in history than England did!
OK. Thats a deal, but only if you take the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh. "The Scots keep the Queen and so does the rest of the UK. I think it will be a close vote and if it's a no then the campaigning will start again on 20th September. For that reason only I think a yes vote would be the best option to stop this colossal waste of time, money and energy. | |||
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"I vote No, if the result is a Yes... I look for property in Bristol Bristol is watching with interest, We are already the city and county of Bristol, talk of a referendum so we could be city, county, and country of Bristol is already under-way "I love the city, I lived there 1996/1997 and it was fab | |||
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"If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex ********** that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so?" Neither the UK public nor the SNP will make the decision on who keeps the UK £ the Bank of England controls the UK £ to a point, it is really controlled by the currency markets. Scotland have already been told that they can call the new currency whatever they like, it will not be affiliated with the UK£ but will be on the currency markets in it's own right. Same as happened with Eire pre Euro, where the Irish pound was typically about 75 - 80pence to the UK £. So no those living outside the boundary of what may become an independent country should not have a vote on it, it won't affect us, truth to tell it won't affect the voters either as they will carry on as normal for 20 - 50 years, peaceful separations are remarkably unspectacular, it's their grandchildren they are voting on behalf of. | |||
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"I vote No, if the result is a Yes... I look for property in Bristol" Before your passport is ripped up. | |||
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"I vote No, if the result is a Yes... I look for property in Bristol Bristol is watching with interest, We are already the city and county of Bristol, talk of a referendum so we could be city, county, and country of Bristol is already under-way
I love the city, I lived there 1996/1997 and it was fab"Have to agree, have left it a few times, but tend to get drawn back, been back here for 11 years at the moment, probably will leave again at some point but only to go to Spain for a year or 3 | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh "I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England. Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan. | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh
I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England.
Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan. "There are a number of banks in the Uk issuing legal tender eg Allied Irish Bank, Danske Bank, Clydesdale Bank that do not have the Queen's head on them. | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh
I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England.
Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan.
There are a number of banks in the Uk issuing legal tender eg Allied Irish Bank, Danske Bank, Clydesdale Bank that do not have the Queen's head on them."Lol so do they under write the currency then? Go on answer that one  Oh and Err who prints it? | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh
I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England.
Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan.
There are a number of banks in the Uk issuing legal tender eg Allied Irish Bank, Danske Bank, Clydesdale Bank that do not have the Queen's head on them.
Lol so do they under write the currency then? Go on answer that one Oh and Err who prints it?"Scots money underwritten by Bank of England. £85,000 guarantee backed by UK Treasury. | |||
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"What's undemocratic about it? I'll It's quite simple really. Only those resident in Scotland are being given the vote on something that affects the whole of the United Kingdom. Maybe I could counter this point with a suggestion. If Scotland votes for independence, despite the claims by Alex fish breath that Scotland could keep the pound, will those of us in what is left of the UK be allowed a vote on whether or not an independent Scotland should be entitled to do so? Do you want a vote in the upcoming elections in Afghanistan or next years American house of senate/representatives vote or even the looming French elections? Afterall those will also affect you won't they? Also England don't own sterling, the union does ie the four countries, which includes Scotland. You don't have a say so you gotta accept it, though Im sure you will have an opinion and you know what they say.about opinions eh
I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England.
Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan.
There are a number of banks in the Uk issuing legal tender eg Allied Irish Bank, Danske Bank, Clydesdale Bank that do not have the Queen's head on them.
Lol so do they under write the currency then? Go on answer that one Oh and Err who prints it?
Scots money underwritten by Bank of England. £85,000 guarantee backed by UK Treasury."I only see this whole thing as costing the man in the street money and others profiteering with it maybe I am too cynical on why some want it though if the man in the street wants it it should happen but that said both sides should be honest about the cost and the negatives as well as the positives. I just hope which ever way it gos there is a very high turn out then it will be the majority who vote not the majority of a minority who actually went to vote. | |||
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"Interesting, that it seems to be the understanding that a 'yes' vote will mean instant and guaranteed independence. It's occurred to me that this will not necessarily the case. The referrendum will achieve only one thing - to determine the will of the residents of Scotland (or more specifically, those who have registered to vote) You'll note that I didn't say 'the Scottish people' because any Scots living elsewhere in the UK are not eligable to vote etc. So even if the 'yes' campaign wins, it is still possible that Scotland could remain as part of the UK for many years to come. Just a thought." anyone 'abroad' is a sassanach traitor | |||
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"Interesting, that it seems to be the understanding that a 'yes' vote will mean instant and guaranteed independence. It's occurred to me that this will not necessarily the case. The referrendum will achieve only one thing - to determine the will of the residents of Scotland (or more specifically, those who have registered to vote) You'll note that I didn't say 'the Scottish people' because any Scots living elsewhere in the UK are not eligable to vote etc. So even if the 'yes' campaign wins, it is still possible that Scotland could remain as part of the UK for many years to come. Just a thought." Independence Day has been set for 31 March 2016. | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice
Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ?
It's actually exactly the same bet so:
If Scots yes England no then part
If Scotland No England yes then
Part
If Scotland No England no then
Stay
If Scotland yes England yes then part
The logic being if either side does not want the other then part
"I think you've got it! England can vote and go seperatly as can wales or NI but you don't need anyone else to vote ie self determination. By the way it's not about not wanting the other partner it is about controlling your own affairs! I hope that those in scotland remain in a very good relationship with those of us in England. Just a different relationship! This is not any anti England vote it's a pro scots vote! | |||
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"Winner takes all, providing it hasn't been rigged like it was the last time there was a vote So it is the majority vote then?! Non voting electorate are not considered? Yes it is - If the majority of people who vote say NO then it's a NO and vice-versa Why, in a vote situation, would they take into account people who don't cast their vote?
Why in a vote that affects both England and Scotland are only the Scots allowed to vote?
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So many people in England keep asking this but it's part of the United Nations charter that people have the right to self determination check out USA the commonwealth a variety of excolonial states where the people who live there decide not people like you and me who don't live there! I am scots I don't vote but a Dutch person living and registered can vote that's democracy. Trust the people of scotland to make the right choice
Interesting ?surely by such rules the people living in England should vote . Perhaps the vote would suggest that the people living in England want to self determin and not include people in Scotland regardless of their vote ?
It's actually exactly the same bet so:
If Scots yes England no then part
If Scotland No England yes then
Part
If Scotland No England no then
Stay
If Scotland yes England yes then part
The logic being if either side does not want the other then part
"I think you've got it! England can vote and go seperatly as can wales or NI but you don't need anyone else to vote ie self determination. By the way it's not about not wanting the other partner it is about controlling your own affairs! I hope that those in scotland remain in a very good relationship with those of us in England. Just a different relationship! This is not any anti England vote it's a pro scots vote! | |||
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" I think you will find the Queens head on the currency it says Bank of England and they are the ones who guarantee it and if Scotland goes independent neither England will want to guarantee Scotland spending and Scotland won't want interest rates set by England. Independence means exactly that and not having England bail them out when the shit hits the fan " This is a typical _iew that gets my goat every time. You're entitled to an opinion but make sure its informed by fact not fantasy. England "does not" own anything, everything is a shared common asset between 4 countries. Deficit included. Think on this, if there is no shared currency and the threatening posture of Cameron, Clegg et al is to "try" and stop Scotland using the pound we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc..... Scotland then has the power to re-negotiate with "anyone" to either maintain current contracts etc like oil and gas (which are worth far mote than 2 bn mentioned) our assets, our people, our ingenuity, our passion, our future will be determined by us and us alone, we will take responsibility for ourselves and we as a nation have that ability. We are not so reliant as some political fly by nights would have us believe. We the Scots have a proud history of overcoming adversity, of contributing to the world a vast amount. We have the power, within and without to stand alone as a nation and say yes. Our children will flourish, we may find it tough but you know what? We are made of tougher stuff! | |||
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That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the You're sadly mistaken if you think its only the NHS in Scotland that's fucked. The current backlash in NHS shit was caused wholly by Brown, Blair et al and their attempts at Americanising the NHS. Please don't retort like most non SNP supporters who keep saying "you can't blame everything on Labour" Yes we can" If it's a yes vote, the first thing that will happen when we go back to the ballot box, will be a labour government. The droves who protested against Brown and co putting Alex and co where they are now, will go back to the fold. So your reasoning is flawed. I'll be joining the people heading over the border. A yes vote is the worst thing that could happen to this country. We have an assembly, the do sweet fanny Adams for us now...except move all the jobs to the central belt.... The have centralised policing, ambulance and about to do the same to the fire service. So much for us having our say! We are ignored. It's Alex way or no way. | |||
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"Being an Englishman I'm bit behind the curve on this one and also a little confused. Like what happens to the british military do we split. How about the NHS will it work like a business partnership split ie they buy us out if its yes we have an nhs and England will eventually go private its what the torys ukip n labour want The NHS in Scotland is currently being ruined by the muppets in Holyrood. It is a devolved service, so therefore us Scots apparently have a say how it's run and funded....news flash...it's on it's arse...people are dying because of poor and negligent care.... People in the rest of the UK. Should look carefully at the mess a protest vote has caused in Scotland. The SNP have had four years to implement free child care etc etc..,instead they have wasted millions of pound chasing the independence rainbow. You're sadly mistaken if you think its only the NHS in Scotland that's fucked. The current backlash in NHS shit was caused wholly by Brown, Blair et al and their attempts at Americanising the NHS. Please don't retort like most non SNP supporters who keep saying "you can't blame everything on Labour" Yes we can" Just adking a question wouldnt svotland after a yes vote be completely ruled full stop by a socialist (labour govt) most SNP Mps left labour to chase socialism with an independence agenda therefore who you say has ruined scotland will then alwaysvrule svotland without any real opposition | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
Gimp "Pensions are not taken from a big fund pot that's been squirrelled away somewhere. The already existing workforce in Scotland pay for pensions, we increase our workforce and pensions remain stable, this of course is state pensions, private pensions are another matter and will be widely available should you choose. Scotland pays an inordinate/unfair part of the over all pensions at present so logically we would be able to sustain current pensions and maybe be able to improve. As for credit ratings, we are well able to accede/leave the UK and maintain a good rating. The resources at our disposal are vast. The argument above about Scotland voting in a left wing socialist government is a moot point as we are not voting for a political party her, we are voting for/against independence. | |||
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"i have always maintained that if scotland do decide to leave, and want this currency union, then the rest of us should get a say in that... as it is not in our best interests..... salmond has been very quick to say "we wont take our share of the debt unless we get this.. and we get that!"... and the will of the scottish people... one of my friends used the best analogy... it like they claim to be in a abusive relationship... and they want a divorce, but they in the end decide to live with it because it means they get to live in a better house and have a better car" The analogy is that they want a divorce and take the house as they own it | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
Gimp "...... and anyone who owned a house north of the border would see their mortgage rate and repaymentts skyrocket.......... they also forget that they would get veto'ed from obtaining EU membership... and any associate agreements.... | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
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...... and anyone who owned a house north of the border would see their mortgage rate and repaymentts skyrocket..........
they also forget that they would get veto'ed from obtaining EU membership... and any associate agreements...."I don't know where you get your "would" on mortgage repayments I would look into that and get facts straight as its not known at this point. | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
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...... and anyone who owned a house north of the border would see their mortgage rate and repaymentts skyrocket..........
they also forget that they would get veto'ed from obtaining EU membership... and any associate agreements....
I don't know where you get your "would" on mortgage repayments I would look into that and get facts straight as its not known at this point."if your country is in default.... they it is your central back that would that would have to put the interest rates in the long term government bonds to get anyone to invest..... if the interest rate is a lot higher... then the mortgage rate would be a lot higher..... | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
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...... and anyone who owned a house north of the border would see their mortgage rate and repaymentts skyrocket..........
they also forget that they would get veto'ed from obtaining EU membership... and any associate agreements....
I don't know where you get your "would" on mortgage repayments I would look into that and get facts straight as its not known at this point.
if your country is in default.... they it is your central back that would that would have to put the interest rates in the long term government bonds to get anyone to invest..... if the interest rate is a lot higher... then the mortgage rate would be a lot higher....."There is no "would" get your facts straight.  | |||
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"As I said earlier peaceful separation is remarkably unspectacular. Expect virtually no change, it will be decades if ever before things really change. Don't personally want the UK to split up, but if it does then good luck to those that go and those that stay. We will still be sharing an island after all. " I think some think it will be an instant change and frankly it would be chaos if that happened. There is so much peculation about so many aspects and as nothing is set in stone the relationship between England and Scotland borders currency and the rest could stay pretty much as they are or could change nobody knows as its not even been decided if it will or won't happen yet. | |||
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" we walk away from everything we agreed on as part of the union, bills, contracts, trade agreements, pensions, etc.....
That will do Scotlands credit rating the Power of good and i'm sure that the good people will be ecstatic that their pensions have disappeared overnight.
A rousing speech though that brought a tear to my Eye
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Pensions are not taken from a big fund pot that's been squirrelled away somewhere. The already existing workforce in Scotland pay for pensions, we increase our workforce and pensions remain stable, this of course is state pensions, private pensions are another matter and will be widely available should you choose. Scotland pays an inordinate/unfair part of the over all pensions at present so logically we would be able to sustain current pensions and maybe be able to improve.
As for credit ratings, we are well able to accede/leave the UK and maintain a good rating. The resources at our disposal are vast.
The argument above about Scotland voting in a left wing socialist government is a moot point as we are not voting for a political party her, we are voting for/against independence."Naive at best. The credit rating is decided by international markets not politicians. If the SNP decides to default bang goes the credit rating on day 1. On left wing policy again the SNP are pushing the line to win over labour voters. In reality democracy is best served letting all parties have freedom of expression. Fat chance of that with the cybernats. | |||
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