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Douglas Carswell joins UKIP pt 2

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yes the voting of MEPs is democratic because they are selected by the people of europe in the european elections, the EU commision and the EU president are not voted for by the people of europe so that is extremely undemocratic. I'm afraid if you cannot see the simple difference there then i'm unable to help you any further?

Do we get a say who is our prime minister in this country??? No we don't, No one apart from the members of the conservative party members decided to elect Cameron as the leader of that party, when enough con MP's were voted into parliament then he became prime minister by default... Only members of his constituency voted for him not the whole country... So the UK's system of democracy is just as bad as the EU's isn't it??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

......& here was me thinking that I had the last word......

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Yes the voting of MEPs is democratic because they are selected by the people of europe in the european elections, the EU commision and the EU president are not voted for by the people of europe so that is extremely undemocratic. I'm afraid if you cannot see the simple difference there then i'm unable to help you any further?

Do we get a say who is our prime minister in this country??? No we don't, No one apart from the members of the conservative party members decided to elect Cameron as the leader of that party, when enough con MP's were voted into parliament then he became prime minister by default... Only members of his constituency voted for him not the whole country... So the UK's system of democracy is just as bad as the EU's isn't it??"

No totally different system of doing things. The people do vote for which Prime minister they want in the UK in a round-about way. The Leader of each party is already known to the electorate before any general election takes place, so therefore the people will know for example in the 2015 general election if they vote Labour, they are hoping for Ed Miliband as Prime Minister, if they vote Lib dem they are hoping for Nick Clegg as Prime Minister, if they vote Conservative they are hoping for David Cameron as Prime Minister, and if they vote UKIP they will be hoping for Nigel Farage as Prime Minister.

This is how the electorate of the UK have always seen general elections and no party would go into a general election without a leader to put forward as a potential Prime Minister.

Why do you think we now have the leaders debates live on television before an election?

Everyone knows that they will be choosing one of the leaders to be Prime Minister by which party they vote for, they have now almost become "Presidential" style leaders debates similar to what they have in the USA before an election.

It was in the press that some Labour backbenches are worried they will lose votes because Ed Miliband is not seen as "Prime Minister" material by some of the electorate.

Face it when you vote in the european elections you have no idea who will become President of the EU and you have zero say in it.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Funny thing is that EU parties wanted their choice rather than accepting what the 27 Governments thought best so that seems more democratic. It reflected the majority of MEP'S. Don't let the facts get in the way of the UKIP spin

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

As for UK parliament don't remember voters getting a say when Major or Brown became PM

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

You don't get to choose the PM. You get to vote on one MP for any reasons you care about including who becomes PM. Have to make the point as you seem to think getting potentially two MP amounts to anything. Ask the liberals about that

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Funny thing is that EU parties wanted their choice rather than accepting what the 27 Governments thought best so that seems more democratic. It reflected the majority of MEP'S. Don't let the facts get in the way of the UKIP spin "

Despite many nations all over europe voting for anti EU parties in the european elections, such as UKIP here in the UK, Front National winning in France, anti EU parties winning in Greece and Denmark, etc, we now still have the situation where Jean Claude Juncker was elected President elect of the EU commission by a secret ballot and he is well known to be backward thinking in terms of reform in the EU, he wants ever more closer financial and political union within europe which is exactly what the people of the UK, France, etc, rejected when they voted in the way they did.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"As for UK parliament don't remember voters getting a say when Major or Brown became PM "

Only because Blair was too spineless to carry on, and as i said, no party would dare go into a general election without a leader, the electorate simply would not vote for them, if they did'nt know which potential Prime Minister they would be getting.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

The majority of elected MEP'S were not anti EU so it was as democratic as a typical UK selection process even if you don't like the result.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The majority of elected MEP'S were not anti EU so it was as democratic as a typical UK selection process even if you don't like the result. "

The result could actually be a good thing, with the appointment of Juncker, and the refusal of the EU to reform, it will only lead to more support for UKIP in the UK.

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Possible if EU is a top election concern for votes

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

What I don't understand is the position of voting for MEP members whose stated position is to take the salary and expenses, paid for by us the tax payer, to not do the job.

It's a better gig than being on benefits that's for sure.

If Nige gets a UK parliamentary seat has he said if he will give up his seat as an MEP or will he take both salaries and expenses?

I think UKIP provides a useful purpose in taking the Tories out of the centre ground and we will finally be able to see difference in policies again.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"......& here was me thinking that I had the last word...... "

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"......& here was me thinking that I had the last word...... "

You have to be ruddy good to beat a Tgirl for the last word

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