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By *B9 Queen OP   Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Germany is considering legislation to curb companies contacting workers out of hours/during holidays. They are looking particularly at emails.

Have you ever felt hassled by pressures from work whilst at home?

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

when I first got a Blackberry and that was when they were first introduced to the UK, there was a ridiculous competition to see who could answer emails at the latest hour... it was truly shocking. The most senior was the worst offenders, thus creating a culture that this was what was expected to climb the ranks...

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

were*

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By *B9 Queen OP   Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

As union rep I had to meet with the boss to nip this in the bud at our place. We've now got it writing that emails can be sent at any time but not with demands to get work done before the employee gets back in work. There has to be a reasonable time given. And no employee is obliged to even look at emails unless during working hours.

I absolutely never do.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

Mine goes off at ridiculous hours. I'm always muttering at them to get a bloody life.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I told people working for me that if they sent work related messages asking for stuff to be done to me or any of their staff then I would consider disciplinary action.

It has worked with all but one person over the last 15 years.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Id only allow it if suitable remuneration was given. The German proposal is good and many companies now have automated email deletion if sent out of hours to staff. Even if phone and rental is paid it is not enough.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I must admit that I've never had this probably but my father did 10-15 years ago, and was often up a big chunk of the night answering emails and on phone calls to people in the States.

Feel sorry for the poor bastard now when I think about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a blackberry and often fall in to he trap of answering emails when on leave! I have been off today but have had it switched off all day but only because I have beenbusy so unable to reply to email... I don't like reading and leaving especially if it is something I can answer quickly...

Also my staff all have my personal number and often contact me before or after work for various reasons! I deal with it but I know if it was me contacting them as manager they would not like it!

Im trying toget better at just working within office times!!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I used to work with a guy who was a Vampire. He didn't sleep well and would have his lap top next to the bed. He'd wake up at 0300, send 3-4 emails and then go back to sleep. I'd go in at 0600 on overtime and find 5-6 emails from him in response to mine, or sent to me because I'd touched a job 3 months ago and he wanted to rely on me to push it forwards. Damn nice bloke and the most effective area manager we had; not so much because of the hours he kept, but just through force of personality.

In another place I worked, I had the job of phoning managers at night to let them know of major incidents. Most just had their phones off, or were pissed. This made it a waste of time and it was questionable what they could do about a ram raid at 0400 anyway.

I've made it clear that I don't mind being phoned when I'm off, but don't expect it and it had better be for a decent reason.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Post Scriptum - I used to work with a lass who called in from distant holidays to check the stats for her team, but rather than making her look good and interested, it just made her a laughing stock.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Germany is considering legislation to curb companies contacting workers out of hours/during holidays. They are looking particularly at emails.

Have you ever felt hassled by pressures from work whilst at home?"
I make it quite clear that I will be a as efficient as possible during working hours but do not intend working outside contacted hours unless an emergency arises. I have _quite a_senior position and it did not cause any issues when ai raised it during a yearly appraisal. Working long hours and answering emails outside working hours would appear to make some people feel important. How many of the emails sent outside working hours contain issues of any real importance .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This already happens in france

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By *B9 Queen OP   Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Id only allow it if suitable remuneration was given. The German proposal is good and many companies now have automated email deletion if sent out of hours to staff. Even if phone and rental is paid it is not enough. "

I think VW do this. I have a work ipad which has the work email app already downloaded. I can see there are currently 9 emails waiting to be read. I am on hols so have not bothered to open them. I will do so at work on Monday.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I don't think there's any problem with people sending emails at whatever time they wish. The issue is whether there is any compulsion or expectation for the recipients to deal with them out of work hours.

I used to be in sales before I retired. In that role, there are no set working hours, you get paid a basic salary plus commission on the the business you bring in. As such, you are expected to do whatever is necessary to hit your targets, otherwise they let you go as you are now an overhead, not a profit centre.

After 10 years off , I now work part time and never do any work, look at emails etc outside of my paid hours, nor would I be expected or asked to

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By *B9 Queen OP   Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I don't think there's any problem with people sending emails at whatever time they wish. The issue is whether there is any compulsion or expectation for the recipients to deal with them out of work hours.

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That's my approach. However, I think the Germans are going for a zero contact law.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

seems like overkill, but you could always do a timed send at 9:01 the next day

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

or if the email client doesn't support that, then just put them in drafts and send first thing next day

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By *B9 Queen OP   Woman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I don't even look at mine. I do more than enough at home as it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"or if the email client doesn't support that, then just put them in drafts and send first thing next day

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Or failing that you could switch your phone / tablet off outside working hours, I do believe that all of these devices have off buttons, but few people know how to use them!

I have been off work for the last 2 weeks and my work mobile has stayed switched off all the time - no contact with work = zero stress = perfect holiday.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I've been working on a legal document for work and I find I get more done at home but I never check emails at home...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hurt my back once I was signed off work for 2 weeks. My supervisor emailed me telling me I had to call in sick every day I was going to be off sick. He said the doctor couldnt possibly know it would take 2 weeks to heal and if it healed sooner I was to return to work. I called personnel instead told them exactly what had been said to me and was told I wasnt allowed to return to work till the doctors note had expired and there was no need to call in again unless I was going to be off longer. Nothing was done about his harassment/bullying though.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

I'm halfway through two weeks off. I rarely take more than a week at a time.

Last time I was off for a week I returned to circa 400 emails and it took the best part of a week to catch up, so I've already popped on the iPad twice this week to redirect or delete over a hundred.

It's not right - but when you're receiving them from external clients as well as internal, simply popping an out of office message on neither reduces the volume or prevents a build up that won't seriously fuck up my first week back.

Work wouldn't be bothered if I left it til I got back. I just prefer to make my life easier losing a couple of hours spread over my Hols rather than days when I'm back.

Personal choice !

A

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I'm halfway through two weeks off. I rarely take more than a week at a time.

Last time I was off for a week I returned to circa 400 emails and it took the best part of a week to catch up, so I've already popped on the iPad twice this week to redirect or delete over a hundred.

It's not right - but when you're receiving them from external clients as well as internal, simply popping an out of office message on neither reduces the volume or prevents a build up that won't seriously fuck up my first week back.

Work wouldn't be bothered if I left it til I got back. I just prefer to make my life easier losing a couple of hours spread over my Hols rather than days when I'm back.

Personal choice !

A"

I know when I'm off I will get in excess of 150 emails....it's like wtf read my out of office reply lol

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

As I only work 34 weeks a year, and have been off for the last 2 months, with 3 weeks left before my next stint, I know It will take me the first couple of days just to physically delete all the stuff that is now irrelevant -but then, I'm being paid and will be able to do little else until I have the decks clear - I don't mind.

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