FabSwingers.com forum: Only in America

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by accident while being shown how to use a high-powered automatic weapon.

The instructor was giving the girl a lesson at a shooting range in Arizona when the recoil from the first shot caused her to lose control of the Uzi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Blimey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bizarre place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only in America. How sad.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

If it wasn't tragic it would be funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jeepers creepers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What business does a 9 year old girl have shooting a fully automatic device intended to kill people, exactly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

An Uzi is not the kind of weapon you use to train a new shooter, let alone a 9yr old new shooter! The instructor was quite obviously an idiot...

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady

Doesn't sound like a very good instructor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kids should stick to water pistols

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Doesn't sound like a very good instructor"

it's OK the instructor is no longer in the gene pool. There is however the parents of a 9 year old who think it's a good idea to show her how to use an Uzi, and a scared 9 year old mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let the gun lobby explain another dead person away.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Well I beg to differ,,no one needs a gun never mind a child

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Well I beg to differ,,no one needs a gun never mind a child"

All 3 of my kid s shoot on a regular basis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Well I beg to differ,,no one needs a gun never mind a child

All 3 of my kid s shoot on a regular basis"

At what and why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?""

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Well I beg to differ,,no one needs a gun never mind a child"

I taught my kids to shoot from a very early age. We've spent valuable time together bonding, learning about nature, where food comes from and how to find your own food. They've also learned patience, responsibility, respect and it's good training for things like exams in the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An Uzi is not the kind of weapon you use to train a new shooter, let alone a 9yr old new shooter! The instructor was quite obviously an idiot..."

And Darwin was right! This is how these idiots are removed from the gene pool.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A nine year-old girl in the US has killed her shooting instructor by accident while being shown how to use a high-powered automatic weapon.

The instructor was giving the girl a lesson at a shooting range in Arizona when the recoil from the first shot caused her to lose control of the Uzi.

Well that's a lesson for all of us

Don't teach little girls to shoot high powered automatic weapons..... Glad I read this post, always learning!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?""

Exactly what it says.

Shooting properly starts with safety. In this case safety never entered the equation. A sub machine gun capable of firing 600 rounds a minute has no place in any civilians hand, let alone the hands of a child.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Well I beg to differ,,no one needs a gun never mind a child

All 3 of my kid s shoot on a regular basis

At what and why"

Clay pigeon's drop down targets vermin.

Because we enjoy it , do we need a reason? My boys love it they have Been brought up around Guns they have and continue learn how to use the guns properly and safely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

horrific for the young girl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"An Uzi is not the kind of weapon you use to train a new shooter, let alone a 9yr old new shooter! The instructor was quite obviously an idiot..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sheer bloody madness. I can understand teaching a nine year old how to hunt with a rifle but teaching them how to use an uzi, what use has that. Of course she was going to lose control of the weapon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

Guns don't kill people wabbits do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

I understand all that but wouldn't teaching children be a big risk. I mean they'll have guns in their life from an early age and they'll know how to use them. Who's to say they won't be unfortunate enough to suffer bullying and go on a killing spree and who's to say they won't act on psychopathic tendencies as they grow older. Wouldn't it be safer to not let them come into contact with the guns until they're adults so they can decide for themselves?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Least the little girl as a adult can take comfort in knowing that she killed a complete idiot. Why not teach 9 year old girls to throw grenades or maybe shoot rocket launchers? That should be on world's most dangerous jobs, fuck trawlermen!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?"

Patience.

Responsibility.

Focus.

Respect.

Awareness of their surroundings.

Staying calm.

Lessons on their local environment.

To name just a few.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

Have to agree, making deadly weapons second nature just doesn't seem a wise move

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?

Patience.

Responsibility.

Focus.

Respect.

Awareness of their surroundings.

Staying calm.

Lessons on their local environment.

To name just a few."

Should we name all the reasons why it's a bad fucking idea!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?

Patience.

Responsibility.

Focus.

Respect.

Awareness of their surroundings.

Staying calm.

Lessons on their local environment.

To name just a few.

Should we name all the reasons why it's a bad fucking idea!! "

I can think of much better ways of teaching kids your list of lessons....... Apart from maybe focus! Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

The reason I taught my kids so young is that they learn without the bravardo that many older kids/young adults have. It removes many of the glorified taboos of shooting a gun and they simply become tools for a hobby or source of putting food on the table.

Whenever I teach someone to shoot I start them off with a BB gun, I drill them on trigger control and safe handling before I even consider moving on to something like an air rifle. People should respect that a gun is not a toy and that they're the most dangerous part of the chain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?

Patience.

Responsibility.

Focus.

Respect.

Awareness of their surroundings.

Staying calm.

Lessons on their local environment.

To name just a few.

Should we name all the reasons why it's a bad fucking idea!!

I can think of much better ways of teaching kids your list of lessons....... Apart from maybe focus! Haha"

And I have taught my kids lessons in other ways.

Guns have benefits and drawbacks the same as many things in life. Sadly some people only focus on the negatives and will not accept the positives.

I can respect those who dislike guns, shame the same can't be said vice versa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

I used to knick my older brothers air riffle when I was about 10 years old till my next door neighbour grassed me up for trying to shoot her in the arse from my bedroom window

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

"many valuable lessons"... Such as?

Patience.

Responsibility.

Focus.

Respect.

Awareness of their surroundings.

Staying calm.

Lessons on their local environment.

To name just a few.

Should we name all the reasons why it's a bad fucking idea!!

I can think of much better ways of teaching kids your list of lessons....... Apart from maybe focus! Haha

And I have taught my kids lessons in other ways.

Guns have benefits and drawbacks the same as many things in life. Sadly some people only focus on the negatives and will not accept the positives.

I can respect those who dislike guns, shame the same can't be said vice versa."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My 12 year old son lives in the states and I worry about all this kind of crap that goes on, unfortunately it is engrained into most Americans genes even after all the tragedies they suffer!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc"

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!"

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

Good idea maybe we should get all our kids having real gun fights when the weather's nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?"

In my mind you can't as I previously stated. That being said I have seen 13yr olds shooting them in competitions in the US to an exceptionally high standard of accuracy and safety.

But I still firmly believe that sub machine guns have no place in the hands of a civilian. Their initial purpose was for clearing trenches, which they're very good at. They're pretty much useless for most other things.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?"

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

again, what were the parents thinking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can justify gun ownership , I have a .38 handgun and a high power rifle , I use these in my job as pest control , the .38 for the humane dispatch of injured animals , and the high power rifle for deer and fox control ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

im worried now ive a balloon filled with water wibbling on the table ,two in fact.

im posting them to tina titz

im terrified they'll explode now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

Good idea maybe we should get all our kids having real gun fights when the weather's nice

My post was tongue in cheek.

My first rule when teaching someone to shoot is to NEVER point a gun at a person. Whether it's a toy gun or not. It may surprise you that none of my kids have ever owned or played with a toy gun or water pistol as they go against my principles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

Safe storage? But if anyone was pissed off enough, child or adult, they'd find a way to get to the guns and ammunition. I think I can safely say I could have used a gun against a person or two when I was growing up if they had been second nature to me even though I'm not a violent person. The problem with teaching children all that stuff is because they're not fully developed and the safest thing would be to take guns out of the way. Everyone is raised differently (which is great) but until a child's brain is fully developed I don't think they should be taught all that stuff about guns. You could easily give 110% safety lessons but the problem would be the child's lack of development. You don't know how they'll behave as they grow older so isn't it a big risk teaching them all that while they're still growing up? I know we all take risks but shouldn't they decide on what risks to take when they're adults?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

Good idea maybe we should get all our kids having real gun fights when the weather's nice

My post was tongue in cheek.

No I was being serious I hate kids!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable "

Mate, come on. You cannot justify giving a child a sub machine gun. I'm pro-gun but even I cannot defend that decision.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Darwin Award.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here we go. The anti gun squad cometh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

If they're stored in the correct manner then there's no way they can access them without either the keys or industrial metal cutting equipment. My large hunting/target rifle is kept in 3 separate cabinets, the ammunition in another and the tool for attaching the barrel in another. Each cabinet has two locks and also need a numerical code, I also have the keys with me 24/7 and there are no spares. It takes the best part of an hour to get that gun in a shootable state (my others slightly less).

I'm also subject to random inspections and any advice is acted upon with immediate effect.

A young child's brain is like a sponge, they absorb information much better than an adult. Teaching them values from an early age has a far higher rate of success than waiting until their hormones kick in and they start trying to impress their peers or the opisite sex.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable

Mate, come on. You cannot justify giving a child a sub machine gun. I'm pro-gun but even I cannot defend that decision."

Not once have I justified giving this poor girl an Uzi. But I will defend to the end letting a Child learl how to shoot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking priceless.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

I'm also subject to random inspections and any advice is acted upon with immediate effect.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get that shooting can be a sport and used responsibly. Farmers etc need guns and kids can be taught responsibility learning to use them. Not my thing but hey ho!

However an uzi and a 9 year old defies belief. When will America learn? How many more school kids to be mown down by a fucked up kid with access to a gun! And that's the thing - easy access, knowledge and normalisation ofan item of war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

I'm also subject to random inspections and any advice is acted upon with immediate effect.

I'm sure your method is working for you but the same values can be taught without the use of guns. There's no guarantee that those values will remain with them once they're adults so the best thing would be to keep them away from guns (some of the worst serial crimes involving guns were committed by people who seemed to have been brought up well and had some of the best education). You might have the keys on you 24/7 but all it takes is that one time where you forget them cause I'm sure you forget like the rest of us. That one time could coincide with an angry child/teen then we'd have a killing spree to read about. You mentioned teaching your kids where their food comes from, personally I think that's a good idea depending on how old they are but you also mentioned them shooting as a hobby which is a bad idea. That's just my opinion on it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

Have to agree, making deadly weapons second nature just doesn't seem a wise move "

o.k

I am appalled that a nine year old was give an uzi.

Children can be brought up with guns and how to use them safely (farmers daughter here)

As for deadly weapons being second nature? as you are a smoker are you telling me you have never indulged in your deadly hobby in front of anyone under the age of 18?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"This is where safety is of the highest priority. Safe storage of the weapons and ammunition is an area that seems to be lacking in America.

I'm also subject to random inspections and any advice is acted upon with immediate effect.

Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole"

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?"

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The real issue here is parenting.

We all know people who let there children have a small amount of alcohol, say as a toast at a wedding, but there are people who let their kids drink to excess.

We all know people who have dogs who the children are around and are respectful to, but there are people with pitbulls who teach there kids as a weapon.

We will all as parents at some stage teach our children how to use a kitchen knife to chop veg, some parents teach their kids that knives are weapons

Its the same with guns, every pro gun person on this thread has said that the 9 year old should not have had an uzi in hers hands.

Its not society and it's rules that hurts and damages children, it is sadly those who are happy enough to bring children into this world and yet cannot be bothered to educate and care for them as they should.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The real issue here is parenting.

We all know people who let there children have a small amount of alcohol, say as a toast at a wedding, but there are people who let their kids drink to excess.

We all know people who have dogs who the children are around and are respectful to, but there are people with pitbulls who teach there kids as a weapon.

We will all as parents at some stage teach our children how to use a kitchen knife to chop veg, some parents teach their kids that knives are weapons

Its the same with guns, every pro gun person on this thread has said that the 9 year old should not have had an uzi in hers hands.

excuse grammar and typo's

was in rant mode

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Its sad that this happened and its a condemnation of a country that feels it needs to train a child in the use of what is in fact a tool of warfare.

But the disturbing part about the NRA's campaign to ensure they keep the right to own such weapons is that the American gun manufacturers do not wholly support it, they contribute not much more than 20% of the National Rifle associations campaign funds.

The gun manufacturers who choose to support the fighting fund of the NRA with very large cash donations are in fact European investors.

The majority of American gun manufacturers are now owned by European companies who make large profits from sales of rifles, pistols and military grade weapons, they cannot afford to lose this profitable market so have stepped up their support of the NRA as sales in Europe have fallen due to tighter gun legislation.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?"

Use google

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK"

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen? "

Our gun laws Thats why...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable "

Why is a question a soapbox? You have stated your _iews (a statement might be seen as more soapboxy than a question) and a question followed. It's a discussion.

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By *win PeaksCouple
over a year ago

Northamptonshire

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why... "

I wish I were as confident as you appear to be that there are no illegal guns in the UK

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why... "

Laws can be broken. Like I said, since gun owners are required to have all these cabinets and stuff, all it'd take would be to forget your keys just once and then something like that would happen. I'm sure there's a lot of positives to guns but a comment which is that daft is making me seem like I'm anti guns

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable

Why is a question a soapbox? You have stated your _iews (a statement might be seen as more soapboxy than a question) and a question followed. It's a discussion."

At what point did I Justify giving a 9 year old an Uzi

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Laws can be broken yes but for someone to get the key then to know what place the other parts plus ammunition is kept your talking of odd s of Millions upon millions to one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why... "

Hungerford happened. Dunblane happened.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Typical

Something happens in the states and the UK anti gun lobbyist's come out about how Guns are evil etc etc

So justify teaching a 9 year old how to fire an Uzi?

Wow your soapbox your stood on must be really comfortable

Why is a question a soapbox? You have stated your _iews (a statement might be seen as more soapboxy than a question) and a question followed. It's a discussion.

At what point did I Justify giving a 9 year old an Uzi"

Why such antagonistic responses?

As to things not happening in the UK, I remember Dunblane. An adult with a gun and not a child but the effect was the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laws can be broken yes but for someone to get the key then to know what place the other parts plus ammunition is kept your talking of odd s of Millions upon millions to one"

If you're teaching your kids about guns I'm sure they'd know where they are kept unless you have some secret lair where you keep them (which you only go into when they're not around or sleeping)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?"

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

9 seems a trifle young to learn to shoot a machine gun. Unless it is Zombie Apocalypse time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laws can be broken yes but for someone to get the key then to know what place the other parts plus ammunition is kept your talking of odd s of Millions upon millions to one

If you're teaching your kids about guns I'm sure they'd know where they are kept unless you have some secret lair where you keep them (which you only go into when they're not around or sleeping)"

Actually my cabinets are very well hidden away. You can be within a few feet of them and not know they're there.

As for forgetting my keys, yes, there's a risk of that happening, which is why my cabinets also have a numeric lock (as I stated earlier) and I am the only person who knows the code, so the chances of my guns getting into the wrong hands are exceedingly low.

I know many people who take the same precautions.

Sadly this incident happened in the US where safe storage often seems to be an afterthought.

Have a look at Switzerland, they actually have the highest percentages of gun ownership in the world yet they also have the lowest crime rate in the world, especially firearms offences.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making? "

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why...

Hungerford happened. Dunblane happened.

Sadly they did and our laws were rightly altered in the wake of these events. I'd actually like stricter regulations for gun ownership in this country, even for things like air weapons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Laws can be broken yes but for someone to get the key then to know what place the other parts plus ammunition is kept your talking of odd s of Millions upon millions to one

If you're teaching your kids about guns I'm sure they'd know where they are kept unless you have some secret lair where you keep them (which you only go into when they're not around or sleeping)

Actually my cabinets are very well hidden away. You can be within a few feet of them and not know they're there.

I know many people who take the same precautions.

Sadly this incident happened in the US where safe storage often seems to be an afterthought.

Have a look at Switzerland, they actually have the highest percentages of gun ownership in the world yet they also have the lowest crime rate in the world, especially firearms offences."

I hope it's one where you punch in the code not like briefcases where you roll until you have the right number and if they haven't followed you when you were taking them out or putting them back in then it's safer. I'd say the mentality of Swiss gun owners is different to that of American ones which in turn is different to that of British owners. I was only stating that one mistake could be detrimental especially where kids are involved. I don't see the big love of guns in America. South Africa only got it's independence in 1994 and guns are still a huge part of their lives. Safety can be the most important thin of all when it comes to guns but all it takes is one mistake which is why I still think guns shouldn't be second nature to kids

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why...

Hungerford happened. Dunblane happened.

Sadly they did and our laws were rightly altered in the wake of these events. I'd actually like stricter regulations for gun ownership in this country, even for things like air weapons."

I'd also like to see stricter laws on those found owning an illegal weapon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why...

Hungerford happened. Dunblane happened.

Sadly they did and our laws were rightly altered in the wake of these events. I'd actually like stricter regulations for gun ownership in this country, even for things like air weapons.

I'd also like to see stricter laws on those found owning an illegal weapon"

Me too...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened"

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

I didn't imply she was in a gang. See my first paragraph - America's gun laws are ridiculous. No one needs to own many of the weapons that are legal in America. The instructor is dead due to his own stupidity, her parents stupidity and America's gun laws.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?"

A "crypt"? It's Crip.

Maybe you should use google yourself.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead."

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

"Sorry but this could NEVER happen collibine in the US plus other horror stories can not happen in the UK

How can you be so sure that it'll "NEVER" happen?

Our gun laws Thats why...

Hungerford happened. Dunblane happened.

Yes they did, then after Hungerford which was a major police cock-up assault rifles were banned, then dunblane happened, this meant a total ban on guns altogether.

What happened after Columbine ?

Absolutely nothing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??"

No I am saying that no right minded individual would allow a child to fire a gun that powerful. Even the most basic of risk assessments would raise the concern that a 9 year old girl would not be physically strong enough to control an Uzi.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Laws can be broken yes but for someone to get the key then to know what place the other parts plus ammunition is kept your talking of odd s of Millions upon millions to one

If you're teaching your kids about guns I'm sure they'd know where they are kept unless you have some secret lair where you keep them (which you only go into when they're not around or sleeping)

Actually my cabinets are very well hidden away. You can be within a few feet of them and not know they're there.

I know many people who take the same precautions.

Sadly this incident happened in the US where safe storage often seems to be an afterthought.

Have a look at Switzerland, they actually have the highest percentages of gun ownership in the world yet they also have the lowest crime rate in the world, especially firearms offences."

Switzerland is also very law-abiding about just about everything. Try hanging your washing out on a Tuesday.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??"

Before I am accused of calling you anything I will state up front that I am not. Your comments illustrate how easily things are misunderstood. Holding guns when such easy misunderstandings happen is what scares me.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

Firstly an Uzi isn't that powerful it is a machine pistol that shoots normal 9mm rounds.. fast shooting yes but not powerful secondly if she didn't shoot the instructor on purpose then it was An unfortunate accident

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A society that creates a situation where this could happen has failed the 9 year old and the deceased firearms trainer.

If you put a pit bull in an enclosed room with a crying baby, don't blame the pit bull or the baby for the outcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

Not all accidents are unfortunate and some are easily avoided.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

An Uzi may not be ' that powerful' but at 600+ rounds a minute they're bloody difficult to control even for an experienced shooter. A one second squeeze of the trigger fires 10 rounds, that's 10 times the recoil of a normal semi automatic pistol.

Definitely NOT something anyone with an ounce of sense would seem appropriate. When my son fired a 9mm Sig in the States a couple of years ago I only loaded 1 round in the magazine at a time and before he fired it he fired a .22RF pistol so I could assess his abilities.

Pro-gun or anti-gun, there's no justifying putting an Uzi into the hands of a 9yr old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse."

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

Not all accidents are unfortunate and some are easily avoided. "

So it's NOT unfortunate that some guy died... Ok thats a nice _iew to have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"kids should stick to water pistols

I disagree.

Teaching kids to shoot properly (emphasis on the word properly) teaches them many valuable lessons. Soaking people with water pistols doesn't...

Hope I'm not being rude but what's "shooting properly?"

Exactly what it says.

The poor kid is going to be traumatised for life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think that being incredulous at America's utterly ridiculous gun culture necessarily equates to bein 'anti-gun'.

And I don't think that questioning the wisdom of widespread gun ownership is a bad thing.

Guns for sport and/or hunting I have no problem with but when inner city gangs are carrying them I fail to see how that is anything other than to the detriment of society as a whole

So the 9 year old was she a "blood or a Crypt"?

Sorry but that comment is lost on me?

Ok I understand the reference but fail to see the point you are making?

Well you pertty much called this girl a gang member just for shooting s machine pistol down a range she wasn't "busting caps in some homies ass"...

An unfortunate accident happened

A 9 year old firing an Uzi is many things but it is not an 'unfortunate accident'.

And the end result is a child potentially traumatised for lifecand a 1 person dead.

So she meant to shoot him, is that what your saying??

Not all accidents are unfortunate and some are easily avoided. "

I am trying to think what a fortunate accident might be

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse."

Actually the Uzi has a switch that can turn the weapon from semi to full automatic.. be it stupidity or what ever but it's definitely not child abuse.

I have shot an Uzi on a number of times it's recoil isn't much to speak of its not this monster weapon you people speak of, a darling of Hollywood it's a price of shit usles in combat there are alot faster more effective more powerful weapons out on the shelves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its bad enough the parents allowing this girl to go shooting but why on earth were they using live rounds

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"its bad enough the parents allowing this girl to go shooting but why on earth were they using live rounds

Can't exactly Shoot without them or it wouldn't be shooting....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse.

Actually the Uzi has a switch that can turn the weapon from semi to full automatic.. be it stupidity or what ever but it's definitely not child abuse.

You're getting way off the point.

I've fired an Uzi too and I wouldn't call it an appropriate weapon to give to a nine year old.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I haven't been able to read though the entire thread, so I'm sorry if mr who or others already addressed this. Being from not only the United States, but the southern united States, i know that this act of idiocy is far from the norm there.

No child should be given a weapon like that. Most children at that age are only allowed low power things like air rifles or 22s.

Unfortunately, whikst everyone is arguing the idiocy of these parents and instructor, thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill people they once loved and called friend or family.

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

And to the argument that not exposing them to guns until they are adults: in the circumstances you describe of being victim of bullying etc, a perpetrator would only find another weapon be that an archery bow or a car or an i.e.d. , which you can learn to make on the internet.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse.

Actually the Uzi has a switch that can turn the weapon from semi to full automatic.. be it stupidity or what ever but it's definitely not child abuse.

You're getting way off the point.

I've fired an Uzi too and I wouldn't call it an appropriate weapon to give to a nine year old."

I didn't say it was...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why would you want to teach a child how to load and take off the safety and fire a automatic weapon, in a country where it's possible she might come across a gun when unattended?

What good can come from a 9 year old learning how to use a weapon? Would you let a 9 year old play with a samurai sword?

I understand children learning to shoot rifles for sport like the Olympics but that's different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not once have I justified giving this poor girl an Uzi."

You hadn't then but you seem to be now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I haven't been able to read though the entire thread, so I'm sorry if mr who or others already addressed this. Being from not only the United States, but the southern united States, i know that this act of idiocy is far from the norm there.

No child should be given a weapon like that. Most children at that age are only allowed low power things like air rifles or 22s.

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Most of those countries wouldn't be teaching kids if they weren't getting the resources from countries like America though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its sad that someone has lost their life however its almost as sad some people seem intent on scoring points on the matter.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Pro-gun or anti-gun, there's no justifying putting an Uzi into the hands of a 9yr old."

this..

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester

"safety is key only the other day id placed my water pistol on top of my sunday papers not realising there was a leak.

sunday papers soaked,,fuck!

See. Had it been a real gun this wouldn't have occurred because they don't spontaneously leak bullets!....

Good idea maybe we should get all our kids having real gun fights when the weather's nice

My post was tongue in cheek.

Nope,not surprised at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start "

But the kids you talk off are not being given guns to teach them gun safety. Also America is less prone to violent civil wars than these countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse.

Actually the Uzi has a switch that can turn the weapon from semi to full automatic.. be it stupidity or what ever but it's definitely not child abuse.

You're getting way off the point.

I've fired an Uzi too and I wouldn't call it an appropriate weapon to give to a nine year old.

I didn't say it was..."

I stand by my quote. The anguish this child must feel having killed someone is awful. How any parent can justify putting a child in charge of a weapon such as this in any circumstance is beyond me, the child could have quite as easily killed itself. Tragic and totally avoidable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To allow a child the use of a semi automatic weapon is child abuse.

The Uzi is fully automatic. It's stupidity not child abuse.

Actually the Uzi has a switch that can turn the weapon from semi to full automatic.. be it stupidity or what ever but it's definitely not child abuse.

You're getting way off the point.

I've fired an Uzi too and I wouldn't call it an appropriate weapon to give to a nine year old.

I didn't say it was..."

Maybe it's just your tone or 'it's nothing' opinion but what you wrote implied that an Uzi is little more than a toy. It's not, it's an assault weapon with virtually a single purpose......killing people quickly, something it's very effective at.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start."

Its a common sight on the many different news channels lots of kids being given guns like AK47's by Hamas in Palestine, and IS in syria and Iraq, why is no one condemning that? Yet as soon as there is an incident like this in america the PC mob come out the woodwork to slate america any way they can. What happened in america was an accident, but these kids in palestine are being given guns with full intent to kill other people. Why are the PC brigade not as vocal in their condemnation of arab children being given guns in the middle east i wonder?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

I hadn't considered the middle east. But you may be correct. I meant in some African countries for the last couple of decades.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Doesn't sound like a very good instructor"

Not any more....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Doesn't sound like a very good instructor

Not any more...."

I wonder if he will get nominated for a 2014 Darwin Award?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

I hadn't considered the middle east. But you may be correct. I meant in some African countries for the last couple of decades. "

Yes many parts of africa aswel.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Doesn't sound like a very good instructor

Not any more....

I wonder if he will get nominated for a 2014 Darwin Award? "

He's extinct now anyway. I have little sympathy for him. IMO he ought not to have tried to teach a child how to use a deadly weapon. Stupid is as stupid does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

Well the rotherham thread yesterday and the jihadi thread a few days ago was not about white paedophiles or christian extremists but you saw it necessary to bring those topics into the debate when they were completely unrealated to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

In most of those places the arms are funded by some of the richer countries in the world. Instead of giving them the resources to continue an eternal cycle of power using firearms, the aid can be given in other ways which are more peaceful but I'm not a politician in any of the richer countries so my _iews and opinions won't matter. But I'm happy with our neutral Ireland and the peace keeping

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

You're right on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

I'm assuming that 'you' is 'the pc lot' as I personally don't recall directly taking either topic in that direction and certainly didn't discuss Christian extremists.

And I think to counter some of the bigotry on those threads it was perfectly valid to point out that not all mislims are extremists and not all paedophililes are Muslim. Which is why i and countless others did so.

But I'm not seeing the link between those threads and this. Or how a child on a shooting range os comparable to a child soldier?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

I'm assuming that 'you' is 'the pc lot' as I personally don't recall directly taking either topic in that direction and certainly didn't discuss Christian extremists.

But I'm not seeing the link between those threads and this. Or how a child on a shooting range os comparable to a child soldier? "

This is a thread about children being given guns (go back and read the OP) so children being given guns in africa and the middle east by the likes of Hamas and IS is relevant to this thread.

On your other point...There is no link to those threads and this one, i never said there was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" thousands of children of this age group in countries outside the u.s. are being armed with these very weapons and taught to kill

Wanna stop teaumatising kids with guns, America isn't the place i would start.

Maybe because this is a thread about a completely unnecessary death in America. Which isn't really comparable to the middle east

But for the record I think anyone that is anti-war and anti-violence as most of 'the PC lot' tend to be is going to find the idea of child soldiers abhorrent.

I'm assuming that 'you' is 'the pc lot' as I personally don't recall directly taking either topic in that direction and certainly didn't discuss Christian extremists.

But I'm not seeing the link between those threads and this. Or how a child on a shooting range os comparable to a child soldier?

This is a thread about children being given guns (go back and read the OP) so children being given guns in africa and the middle east by the likes of Hamas and IS is relevant to this thread.

On your other point...There is no link to those threads and this one, i never said there was."

It's about 1 child being given 1 gun which resulted in a terrible accident due to neglegence on the part of the parents, the instructor and the range staff.

While children being armed and used as 'soldiers' (in loathed to use the word) is abhorrent it's a whole different subject albeit tenuously linked to this particular story.

Personally I feel it's best left out of this thread and maybe a new discussion started, otherwise this one will end up messy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a mum of a 9 yr old girl and can't imagine in my wildest thoughts why I would feel the need to teach my child to use any such thing as an Uzi.

She still plays with dolls and only today had her big dolls pram out with other little girls in the street. We have piles of loom bands and everything and body is decorated in someway with chuffing colourful bands.She rides horses and plaits there mane and tail, bakes cakes and watches her big brother play rugby. She is a 9 yes old girl!

I am not overly familiar with our gun laws but living in a pretty rural location I know plenty of children that shoot with parents in a controlled environment. I can also remember growing up the police visiting my friends parents each year for her dads gun licence. I know that children don't see guns for sale in asda but in the states you can pick one up when doing your weekly shop!

It's all madness. That little girl will go to the grave with that image of the instructor in her head. I am guessing it would of been a rather graphic scene too.

And who is ultimately responsible for his death? A nine yr old with a gun she has no need for, parents who for what ever reason thought it was a great idea or an instructor who laid the price. Or will it be shrugged off as an unfortunate accident?