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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Has anyone read his last letter to his family, truly heart breaking

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

No and I dint intend to. I dint get this recent obsession with strangers intruding in people's grief.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well I was going to say that the letter is in main stream news so it's hard not to have a look. Yeah I am with you with the manipulation thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes it was very sad, such a waste of a decent mans life.

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

I didn't know about this till just now - the article I viewed had snipets in which I did not feel comfortable in reading so did not read the full article.

Personally i don't think I would have put this in the public domain - but if the family have then it is their right

Its a crazy word and doesn't look like getting better soon - very sad indeed

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Well I was going to say that the letter is in main stream news so it's hard not to have a look. Yeah I am with you with the manipulation thing."

I felt the same way when the first Malaysian airliner went missing, people hysterical with grief were beamed into people's homes in a very close approximation to a form of entertainment. I think we need to be very careful of becoming a society that expects to be witness to other people's nightmares.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

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Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?"

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no idea who this is and I don't watch the news, read the paper for that reason, any news is either bad or made up. Rip Richard Attenborough

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I have no idea who this is and I don't watch the news, read the paper for that reason, any news is either bad or made up. Rip Richard Attenborough "

how do you know richard attenborough died then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media"

You feel a certain amount of sympathy for a bloke who has just had his head cut off, so why would seeing the letter make any difference. oh and the fact that he had been held against his will for two years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no idea who this is and I don't watch the news, read the paper for that reason, any news is either bad or made up. Rip Richard Attenborough

how do you know richard attenborough died then?"

Facebook....maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately I watched that video of course I wish I hadn't but I did. Makes me very scared for the future.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No my daughter told me last night

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media

You feel a certain amount of sympathy for a bloke who has just had his head cut off, so why would seeing the letter make any difference. oh and the fact that he had been held against his will for two years. "

the letter was a private letter to his loved ones. why do we need to know every detail of someone we had no concept of a month ago? its sad that the family felt the need to release this information. i dont know why they did it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media

You feel a certain amount of sympathy for a bloke who has just had his head cut off, so why would seeing the letter make any difference. oh and the fact that he had been held against his will for two years. "

That isn't what I meant Carole.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Unfortunately I watched that video of course I wish I hadn't but I did. Makes me very scared for the future."

and that is exactly what it was designed to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media

You feel a certain amount of sympathy for a bloke who has just had his head cut off, so why would seeing the letter make any difference. oh and the fact that he had been held against his will for two years.

the letter was a private letter to his loved ones. why do we need to know every detail of someone we had no concept of a month ago? its sad that the family felt the need to release this information. i dont know why they did it."

No we don't need to know I agree, its not something I would do I don't think but its up to them and I don't think it realy matters that much anyway.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

yes the family did authorise its release... in a way I can see where it would give a little bit of comfort to the other families of people that are held captive.....

and the other thing was the letter was memorised by another person who was being released so he could pass it on as they were not allowed pen and paper.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wether we agree with it or not there are people who are interested in knowing about it though.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"yes the family did authorise its release... in a way I can see where it would give a little bit of comfort to the other families of people that are held captive.....

and the other thing was the letter was memorised by another person who was being released so he could pass it on as they were not allowed pen and paper....."

There is that aspect to it, I hope it does achieve that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

Not sure what you mean by being manipulated?

Having our feelings about certain things influenced by what we see and hear in the media

You feel a certain amount of sympathy for a bloke who has just had his head cut off, so why would seeing the letter make any difference. oh and the fact that he had been held against his will for two years.

the letter was a private letter to his loved ones. why do we need to know every detail of someone we had no concept of a month ago? its sad that the family felt the need to release this information. i dont know why they did it."

Hate all of it. The media is sick.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The bit on the news that the video now appears to be staged, albeit Foley is dead, seems to have had less coverage.

I haven't read the letter. It is too soon, as everything seems to be now in our instant society.

His family must be in pain and I can only imagine the sort of pressure they are under to give up parts of their grief and their son to tell a story that ius current.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I agree with Evie. That letter is personal to his family although I assume that they have authorised its publication.

We also have to be quite careful of being manipulated.

"

agree..

the media is a very powerful tool which the politicians and bad people know only too well..

and its far from balanced..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The bit on the news that the video now appears to be staged, albeit Foley is dead, seems to have had less coverage.

I haven't read the letter. It is too soon, as everything seems to be now in our instant society.

His family must be in pain and I can only imagine the sort of pressure they are under to give up parts of their grief and their son to tell a story that ius current.

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it is one companies opinion and he was still beheaded by a medieval barbarian act

As for the letter if it helps his family , if indeed they released the letter , then so be it

If you don't wish to read it don't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I won't be reading it. I won't watch the video either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The bit on the news that the video now appears to be staged, albeit Foley is dead, seems to have had less coverage.

I haven't read the letter. It is too soon, as everything seems to be now in our instant society.

His family must be in pain and I can only imagine the sort of pressure they are under to give up parts of their grief and their son to tell a story that ius current.

it is one companies opinion and he was still beheaded by a medieval barbarian act

As for the letter if it helps his family , if indeed they released the letter , then so be it

If you don't wish to read it don't "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"No and I dint intend to. I dint get this recent obsession with strangers intruding in people's grief. "

And faux grieving with them to display how empathetic they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Heart breaking thats all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm glad it wasn't my son

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

cant imagine what his parents are going through but then again the same applies to the other family members of those also killed in this present conflict..

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I'm glad it wasn't my son"

But its not

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm glad it wasn't my son"

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

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By *unPeteMan
over a year ago

Near Bristol

I think I'm becoming a bit of a coward when it comes to things like this. I'm finding (possibly with age) that other people's grief has a significant effect on me now. I'm able to identify with those people and the emotion stays with me for longer than I care.

I'm sure that the saddest of news would have had little impact on me a few years ago. But now I try to avoid those invasive reports, too upsetting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying. "

No but its the first thing that I think when I hear of something like that happening.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

No but its the first thing that I think when I hear of something like that happening."

So everytime someone dies, the first thing you think of that it is not your family.

Do you have anytime for fun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

No but its the first thing that I think when I hear of something like that happening.

So everytime someone dies, the first thing you think of that it is not your family.

Do you have anytime for fun?"

Have you got any children?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

No but its the first thing that I think when I hear of something like that happening.

So everytime someone dies, the first thing you think of that it is not your family.

Do you have anytime for fun?

Have you got any children?"

Yes but choose not to live in fear

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

No but its the first thing that I think when I hear of something like that happening.

So everytime someone dies, the first thing you think of that it is not your family.

Do you have anytime for fun?

Have you got any children?"

I don't think having children is relevant. I don't have children but i can still appreciate that this is a horrific thing to go through. That being said my first thought is not of my lived ones, it's to parents of the deceased,having to re live the moment they are told of theor loved one dying is such a horrible way every time the watch the news,read a paper, use the Internet etc.

You don't care less just because you don't have kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying. "

Better than pulling the grieving family apart

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no idea who this is and I don't watch the news, read the paper for that reason, any news is either bad or made up. Rip Richard Attenborough "

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying. "

Maybe odd to some but a perfectly natural thought for others. I haven't watched the video nor read any news items myself so I'm not going to comment on the political debate or whether the family are correct in releasing the letter. A man has gone through torture and a viscous beheading from what I've learned. My words on here won't make that not to have happened,or make a difference to his family. Thinking about what he must have gone through brings a pain to my chest and tears to my eyes. If it were my son I don't know how I would cope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!"

Maybe its because he was American.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!"

Which is your absolute right. Discussion tends to evolve and move forward in a way that the person who initiates it doesn't expect but I think thats good, it makes you think and realise that there is always more than one way of looking at things.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"The Telegraph are reporting that the video was staged"

I just saw that, seems highly strange,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Telegraph are reporting that the video may have been staged

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"The Telegraph are reporting that the video may have been staged"

Are they saying who might have staged it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The Telegraph are reporting that the video may have been staged"

Yes they think it might of been staged but he was still murdered.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

Better than pulling the grieving family apart "

who is doing that?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!

Maybe its because he was American."

What has his nationality got to do with it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm glad it wasn't my son

that's quite an odd statement. Of course everyone is glad its not their loved one, surely it goes without saying. ad it should go without saying.

Maybe odd to some but a perfectly natural thought for others. I haven't watched the video nor read any news items myself so I'm not going to comment on the political debate or whether the family are correct in releasing the letter. A man has gone through torture and a viscous beheading from what I've learned. My words on here won't make that not to have happened,or make a difference to his family. Thinking about what he must have gone through brings a pain to my chest and tears to my eyes. If it were my son I don't know how I would cope"
Yes it was an horrific act to carry out on james foley and others who have met the same fate in Previous times along with the anquish

And upset for the family and other Familys Involved, the people behind this

Atrocity will think that their message

As got across to the world well it has

Createing Indignation and hatred to these perpetrators they have no real answer but to use terror and violence as

Their tool for communicateing with terrorists are real evil itself and their doctrine spreads like a cancer

While ever there are people like this

On the planet you won,t stop such acts

From happening thats the real problem

peace talks would be useless with them

their lives must be terrible from a

Outsiders view point narrow minded,

Bigoted and brain washed and fanatical

With It, they have achieved nothing and never do they never see this so they carry on hateing the world and what it

Stands for what utter pointless lives

They lead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!

Maybe its because he was American.

What has his nationality got to do with it?"

Dunno you tell me.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

"

see.... this is the thing I don't understand...

the family of lee rigby release statements and they are applauded for their calm and manner....

the family of this person release statements and details of his last letter.. and they are being crushed

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Oh hells bells I was just saying the letter is really sad and touching how courageous the guy was!

Maybe its because he was American.

What has his nationality got to do with it?

Dunno you tell me."

You are the one who bought it up, no one else!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

see.... this is the thing I don't understand...

the family of lee rigby release statements and they are applauded for their calm and manner....

the family of this person release statements and details of his last letter.. and they are being crushed"

Maybe it's because he was American.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

see.... this is the thing I don't understand...

the family of lee rigby release statements and they are applauded for their calm and manner....

the family of this person release statements and details of his last letter.. and they are being crushed"

statements are not the same as personal letters though are they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

"

Odd indeed.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"The Telegraph are reporting that the video may have been staged"
the bbc are reporting the name of the alleged executioner who apears to be a dissafected london rapper

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The Telegraph are reporting that the video may have been staged"

You said yourself in one of your posts on another thread yesterday not to believe everything you read in the papers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't see the problem in the family releasing their sons words to them. I doubt whether the media forced them at gunpoint to speak to them. The only choice we have in the matter is whether we read it or not.

Perhaps, and again only summising here, the family wanted to prove to the world what type of man their son was, rather than his last words going down in history as being the words denouncing America, as forced upon him by his captors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately I watched that video of course I wish I hadn't but I did. Makes me very scared for the future."

Why did you watch it if you knew the contents?

Just interested because personally,I could never watch that, I think I'd be haunted by it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have a fascination with the macabre.

Where there is tragedy people will watch. If there's a car accident we look, if anyone has been unfortunate to live near a house where a murder has taken place, then groups of people will form outside, matching police do their job etc. Similarly with ambulance and fire crews.

If its gone viral people will look, it doesn't make them crazy people just inquisitive, regardless sometimes of the extreme content.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't see the problem in the family releasing their sons words to them. I doubt whether the media forced them at gunpoint to speak to them. The only choice we have in the matter is whether we read it or not.

Perhaps, and again only summising here, the family wanted to prove to the world what type of man their son was, rather than his last words going down in history as being the words denouncing America, as forced upon him by his captors "

Yes of course how come nobody else thought of that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" People have a fascination with the macabre.

Where there is tragedy people will watch. If there's a car accident we look, if anyone has been unfortunate to live near a house where a murder has taken place, then groups of people will form outside, matching police do their job etc. Similarly with ambulance and fire crews.

If its gone viral people will look, it doesn't make them crazy people just inquisitive, regardless sometimes of the extreme content. "

The above is very different to knowing that someone is about to be beheaded, virtually live - but I still take your point!

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By *ranthamThroatMan
over a year ago

Grantham.


"I have no idea who this is and I don't watch the news, read the paper for that reason, any news is either bad or made up. Rip Richard Attenborough "

Pardon?

Haven't you just tripped yourself up by saying RIP Richard Attenborough? , they made up that he died?

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By *ranthamThroatMan
over a year ago

Grantham.


"It is odd in here sometimes

If the family want to release a letter they had and you do or don't want to read it I don't see the problem.....but I don't see how anyone can blame the media for doing what the family wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone that can have such strong views, as this incident evokes, manipulated by a news story isn't that strong willed in the first place. We all believe what we believe and one news story isn't going to manipulate us. Without seeing every apsect of this story we miss so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone that can have such strong views, as this incident evokes, manipulated by a news story isn't that strong willed in the first place. We all believe what we believe and one news story isn't going to manipulate us. Without seeing every apsect of this story we miss so much. "

Agreed, after all, we all have to take a fare sized chunk of the blame for ISIS' existence in the first place!

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Anyone that can have such strong views, as this incident evokes, manipulated by a news story isn't that strong willed in the first place. We all believe what we believe and one news story isn't going to manipulate us. Without seeing every apsect of this story we miss so much.

Agreed, after all, we all have to take a fare sized chunk of the blame for ISIS' existence in the first place!"

Why??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Unfortunately I watched that video of course I wish I hadn't but I did. Makes me very scared for the future.

Why did you watch it if you knew the contents?

Just interested because personally,I could never watch that, I think I'd be haunted by it!"

Believe it or not, I never thought they would show the whole thing, you know like when they stop filming at the crucial moment? Perhaps I didn't read the reports on it first closely enough. Gruesome wasn't the word and I can't start to understand or ever know how his poor parents will cope with the knowledge that not only did their beloved son die and how he died, but the whole world (well a large percentage) saw it happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone that can have such strong views, as this incident evokes, manipulated by a news story isn't that strong willed in the first place. We all believe what we believe and one news story isn't going to manipulate us. Without seeing every apsect of this story we miss so much.

Agreed, after all, we all have to take a fare sized chunk of the blame for ISIS' existence in the first place!"

I'm accepting no blame whatsoever for the existence of ISIS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As long as you stood up loud against both Iraqi wars - that's fair enough........... but then again, it was OUR army, yes?

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