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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The US journalist beheaded by ISIS

Its very rare that I make political comment on these forums but this story has really touched me,im humbled by his bravery and dignity and sickened by the act of his death

I must be having an extra emotional day,apologies x

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i wondered when this was going to come up as a topic....

I thought this would come up because it sounds like the person who committed the act had a london/british accent..

the other scary this is they reckon there are about 200 journalists and aid workers that have been kidnapped thru out this region so god only knows how many they have...

the chilling bit is the 2nd hostage they have and the bit they say at the end..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im not shocked because of the accent,in fact that doesn't really suprise me,its well known that recruitment from this country is going on

I just feel that this is something to have real concerns about,I have a gut feeling that we are going to end up in a position that we have no clue how to deal with it

I find it quite scary

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im not shocked because of the accent,in fact that doesn't really suprise me,its well known that recruitment from this country is going on

I just feel that this is something to have real concerns about,I have a gut feeling that we are going to end up in a position that we have no clue how to deal with it

I find it quite scary"

I agree things don't look good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was Mr Powell wrong then,I wonder

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Its sickening but then again so are dead children by 'collateral damage'..

when you cant reason with someone, like a rabid dog intent on mayhem then its best to put it down..

this 'I.S.' is a global issue or will end up being so..

deal with it now or later..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have not seen any of the video nor do i wish to. Evil, evil people

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Was Mr Powell wrong then,I wonder"

think your confusing what he said with todays situation, he wasn't referring to radical extremism as I recall..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One reap's what it sow's.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Its sickening but then again so are dead children by 'collateral damage'..

when you cant reason with someone, like a rabid dog intent on mayhem then its best to put it down..

this 'I.S.' is a global issue or will end up being so..

deal with it now or later..?"

I completely agree

My gut instinct is saying deal with it right now because its just going to get far worse,who has the balls?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"One reap's what it sow's."

How do you mean?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Its sickening but then again so are dead children by 'collateral damage'..

when you cant reason with someone, like a rabid dog intent on mayhem then its best to put it down..

this 'I.S.' is a global issue or will end up being so..

deal with it now or later..?"

It's a many headed beast. Chop off one and another will appear. Unfortunately, this is how empires are founded and empire "building" is what is going on.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"One reap's what it sow's."

yes but in relation to your initial comment your a bit off the mark..

are you intending to debate or just throw out cliché's..?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I have not seen any of the video nor do i wish to. Evil, evil people "

I havn't,I have read the transcript and that was more than enough to distress me

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"Was Mr Powell wrong then,I wonder

think your confusing what he said with todays situation, he wasn't referring to radical extremism as I recall..? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have not seen any of the video nor do i wish to. Evil, evil people "

The video is horrible and unforgettable. What kind of sick person can saw a man's had off with a knife. That's so brutal it's madness. That poor fella, who had to die like that. I really feel for him and his loved ones. Rip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It disturbs me to think that people can actualy bare to watch it. Giving the twisted bastards the audiences they want

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I have not seen any of the video nor do i wish to. Evil, evil people

I havn't,I have read the transcript and that was more than enough to distress me"

I have heard the videos and see some of the still's... its the after bit that shocked me...

In a way, when it was a "muslim on muslim" thing, you could almost say let them sort it out.... when IS started taking Yazidi land and committing heinous crimes (one village it is claimed they buried 50 people alive), and fight the kurds, that is when it became an issue for everyone.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today."

So it is Britains fault that a bunch of sick twats beheaded an innocent American?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today."

actually... not THIS particular issue... because if you knew anything about IS, they are actually fighting the governments of syria, iraq, Lebannon, and also claim lands of turkey, iran and Jordan

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today."
oh so our fault, how in gods name do you work that out. Was the MURDER of Lee Rigby our fault as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have not seen any of the video nor do i wish to. Evil, evil people

I havn't,I have read the transcript and that was more than enough to distress me

I have heard the videos and see some of the still's... its the after bit that shocked me...

In a way, when it was a "muslim on muslim" thing, you could almost say let them sort it out.... when IS started taking Yazidi land and committing heinous crimes (one village it is claimed they buried 50 people alive), and fight the kurds, that is when it became an issue for everyone....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today. oh so our fault, how in gods name do you work that out. Was the MURDER of Lee Rigby our fault as well"

The Iraq was a big mistake and we should have had no part in it however it does not justify this beheading or the wholesale slaughter these ISIL fanatics perpetrate against anybody in their wake. The likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and now ISIL should be dealt with using all the force available to the West until none of them are left standing able to carry a gun, bomb or machete. Only then should we rest. If ever there was a reason for a "just" war this is it!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a very tough situation. Public opinion is that we had no place in Iraq in the first place and that the current situation is partly our own fault but we cannot stand by and allow this to continue, whether its westerners being murdered or native people being murdered (and let's face it, it is murder on a massive scale).

My personal thoughts are that we should go in (with UN backing and a multi-national force) and make them fight, not just murder unarmed civilians.

The only issue with that solution is we will create martyrs which in turn continues the hatred and barbarity but sadly there is no way of negotiating with these people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a very tough situation. Public opinion is that we had no place in Iraq in the first place and that the current situation is partly our own fault but we cannot stand by and allow this to continue, whether its westerners being murdered or native people being murdered (and let's face it, it is murder on a massive scale).

My personal thoughts are that we should go in (with UN backing and a multi-national force) and make them fight, not just murder unarmed civilians.

The only issue with that solution is we will create martyrs which in turn continues the hatred and barbarity but sadly there is no way of negotiating with these people."

I have very little knowledge on the topic but from what you say we do not seem to be in a very strong position

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a very tough situation. Public opinion is that we had no place in Iraq in the first place and that the current situation is partly our own fault but we cannot stand by and allow this to continue, whether its westerners being murdered or native people being murdered (and let's face it, it is murder on a massive scale).

My personal thoughts are that we should go in (with UN backing and a multi-national force) and make them fight, not just murder unarmed civilians.

The only issue with that solution is we will create martyrs which in turn continues the hatred and barbarity but sadly there is no way of negotiating with these people.

I have very little knowledge on the topic but from what you say we do not seem to be in a very strong position "

Militarily we're superior but the problem is their lack of humanity and respect for life. Our rules of engagement are also far too civilized to combat their tactics so they're not afraid of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today. oh so our fault, how in gods name do you work that out. Was the MURDER of Lee Rigby our fault as well

The Iraq was a big mistake and we should have had no part in it however it does not justify this beheading or the wholesale slaughter these ISIL fanatics perpetrate against anybody in their wake. The likes of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and now ISIL should be dealt with using all the force available to the West until none of them are left standing able to carry a gun, bomb or machete. Only then should we rest. If ever there was a reason for a "just" war this is it!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know I am being a complete ostrich here but I just can't bear to watch the news anymore. There is war everywhere, unspeakable inhumane acts being carried out and I for one really am worried.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Militarily we're superior but the problem is their lack of humanity and respect for life. Our rules of engagement are also far too civilized to combat their tactics so they're not afraid of us."

This is what concerns me the most,they have no fear and no humanity,its a deadly combination

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know I am being a complete ostrich here but I just can't bear to watch the news anymore. There is war everywhere, unspeakable inhumane acts being carried out and I for one really am worried. "

I feel the same. It is starting to worry me what kind of world my children are growing up in

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Know your History, it was British partition that caused all the problems we have today."

The Sykes/Picot Agreement does have a lot to do with the unrest/wars and struggle for land and supremacy we have witnessed over the last 15 years.

The West does not have a wholly consistent response to these genocides in the name of statehood. Our response to Israel and Gaza is not the same at the response to ISIL. There is an almost all prevailing Western world _iew that Islam = bad now.

The acts are evil. War is evil.

Is it that much more evil than other colonisations? We have film and audio and immediate evidence now. When the West was taking Christianity to the dark continents we don't have the same immediate evidence and we don't know how many stories of evil have been surpressed. Even more recent history has the English banning the Welsh from speaking Welsh and oppressing a people for being different and defiant.

None of that excuses actions now but I try and hold the context of history in my mind and what I see is the determination of zealots who believe their _iews are the only just ones to be held. Anyone opposing that is disposable and disposing them in the most despicable way ensures that others remain frightened and won't stand up.

It is at times like these that I wish I had no interest and that I could ignore the rest of the world, live in a happy place just noticing what is happening to me. Others do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Militarily we're superior but the problem is their lack of humanity and respect for life. Our rules of engagement are also far too civilized to combat their tactics so they're not afraid of us.

This is what concerns me the most,they have no fear and no humanity,its a deadly combination"

It's not that they have no fear, it's evident that they're all cowards. They just have no fear of us because of our ROE's and the fact we (try to) stick to the terms of the Geneva convention.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Militarily we're superior but the problem is their lack of humanity and respect for life. Our rules of engagement are also far too civilized to combat their tactics so they're not afraid of us.

This is what concerns me the most,they have no fear and no humanity,its a deadly combination"

No fear, no humanity and a fundamental belief that they are right and EVERYONE else is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

British man did this . Labour made it a crime to talk about this in this country.

After 9/11 the Americans declared war on the religion .

After 7/7 we were more worried about the Muslims then our own people .

These people want us back in the dark ages with their barbarek ways .

They treat women and gays like a piece of shit on their shows .

Islam is NOT peaceful if you don't agree with their way of life.

One thing they are good at it acting the victim.

BE AWARE , BE VERY AWARE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*shoes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"British man did this . Labour made it a crime to talk about this in this country.

After 9/11 the Americans declared war on the religion .

After 7/7 we were more worried about the Muslims then our own people .

These people want us back in the dark ages with their barbarek ways .

They treat women and gays like a piece of shit on their shows .

Islam is NOT peaceful if you don't agree with their way of life.

One thing they are good at it acting the victim.

BE AWARE , BE VERY AWARE."

I thought the Americans declared war on terrorism?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"British man did this . Labour made it a crime to talk about this in this country.

After 9/11 the Americans declared war on the religion .

After 7/7 we were more worried about the Muslims then our own people .

These people want us back in the dark ages with their barbarek ways .

They treat women and gays like a piece of shit on their shows .

Islam is NOT peaceful if you don't agree with their way of life.

One thing they are good at it acting the victim.

BE AWARE , BE VERY AWARE."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If 2/3 of the worlds oil wasn't under the feet of these murdering butchers I doubt if we'd give them much thought.

These buggers know that and intend on seizing it and holding us all to ransom.

Gord help us if they achieve their caliphate paradise. We are in for some shit times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If 2/3 of the worlds oil wasn't under the feet of these murdering butchers I doubt if we'd give them much thought.

These buggers know that and intend on seizing it and holding us all to ransom.

Gord help us if they achieve their caliphate paradise. We are in for some shit times.

"

Until we take the gloves off I'm afraid we are.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

"

I don't believe anyone deserves to die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

"

No one deserves to die like that. I've seen the video, it's definitely a real execution/murder whether it's him or not I can't comment.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

I don't believe anyone deserves to die.

"

Righty ho

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

No one deserves to die like that. I've seen the video, it's definitely a real execution/murder whether it's him or not I can't comment. "

I haven't seen the video nor do I wish to, I saw some pictures on a newspaper article that was enough for me

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

No one deserves to die like that. I've seen the video, it's definitely a real execution/murder whether it's him or not I can't comment.

I haven't seen the video nor do I wish to, I saw some pictures on a newspaper article that was enough for me

"

that I meant not a smily face

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know I am being a complete ostrich here but I just can't bear to watch the news anymore. There is war everywhere, unspeakable inhumane acts being carried out and I for one really am worried. "

I agree with this persons reasoning. The news has become so sobering and uncheerful. Life's too short and if these guys have their way will become extremely brutal.

Make love not war. Never has that saying been more true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

"

What comments on here disturb you more then a journo getting beheaded with a small knife by an Englishman that was posted for the world to see. ????

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not going to watch the video. Nor do I want to RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

What comments on here disturb you more then a journo getting beheaded with a small knife by an Englishman that was posted for the world to see. ????"

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By *essiCouple
over a year ago

suffolk


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

What comments on here disturb you more then a journo getting beheaded with a small knife by an Englishman that was posted for the world to see. ????

"

this...

And we've seen the footage..such a brave and fearless young man...

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it is beyond words.... the poor man.

may he rest in peace.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I think some have misinterpreted my comment, I was simply saying that I'm disturbed at the ignorance of some...of course the incident disturbed me but the comments of some had me somewhat more disturbed...Read it to what you will..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

"

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate."

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think some have misinterpreted my comment, I was simply saying that I'm disturbed at the ignorance of some...of course the incident disturbed me but the comments of some had me somewhat more disturbed...Read it to what you will.."

Not trying to get into an argument with you but I really don't what you mean.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war."

This is what they want mate. They don't want to integrate with the likes of me or you. It's there way or no way.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I think some have misinterpreted my comment, I was simply saying that I'm disturbed at the ignorance of some...of course the incident disturbed me but the comments of some had me somewhat more disturbed...Read it to what you will..

Not trying to get into an argument with you but I really don't what you mean."

No argument I just not explaining myself properly and I'm tired so I will try and put something down later...

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By *inCity BluesMan
over a year ago

London


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate."

And his poor family have to grieve while his murder is being broadcast all over internet for people to gawp at. Horrible beyond words.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war."

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will not look at the video because that's just what they want you to do! They are just ignorant savages who do not deserve any of my attention. You will never be able to talk to animals like that because they are not interested in anything other than what their ultimate goals are. They do not care about anyone who will not be brain washed just like themselves. You can't talk or reason with the nutter element! Any time you disagree with what they believe in they will not listen Ever! They want at a worldwide Islamic state nothing less. And yes they are COWARDS! He did not dare show his face to the camera because he is a coward hiding behind a mask!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fucking animals the lot of them, and this boils down to religion.........really!!!!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world. "

actually that is an interesting discussion but not for this thread I think...

I didn't want to watch the video, I was more interested in the audio..

I have seen stills of the before and the after....... the after is grusome,

in a way, I think some people should because It would stop a lot of the "not in my name" mentality... also those who say walk away as that could have been your friend or relative, the "its nothing to do with me" attitude is much more dangerous....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war.

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world. "

hmmmm, tricky one. On one hand I agree, some people should see it, maybe then they'll pull their heads out of the sand and admit that we need to do something to stop this and rid the world of these bastards.

On the other hand it could also be used as propaganda by the right wing to further increase the already stressed relations between the Christians and Muslims both here and elsewhere.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war.

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

hmmmm, tricky one. On one hand I agree, some people should see it, maybe then they'll pull their heads out of the sand and admit that we need to do something to stop this and rid the world of these bastards.

On the other hand it could also be used as propaganda by the right wing to further increase the already stressed relations between the Christians and Muslims both here and elsewhere."

I don't need to _iew it to understand that something has to give now...too many people are losing their lives and it seems that no one is doing anything to sort it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't need to _iew it to understand that something has to give now...too many people are losing their lives and it seems that no one is doing anything to sort it. "

I also have no wish to watch the video for many of the reasons mentioned above. However I would be very suprised if US and British Secret Services are not engaged in some strategy for dealing with it. I agree decisive action must be taken.

RIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I feel we shouldn't watch the video as this is what his murderers want. His family have been very dignified. Who am I, a complete stranger, to gratuitously watch a recording of their son being killed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I will never look at the video or pictures of his face, I don't want that image in my head.

I haven't seen the video but my blood is curdled by the thought. I guess that is what that evil monster wants though. Poor wretched soul. No man should suffer such a terrible fate.

I have seen the video (for reasons other than morbid curiosity, which a won't go into here). It's probably worse than you can imagine. It's a blanant act of barbarism and cruelty. Some would say it was an act of war.

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

hmmmm, tricky one. On one hand I agree, some people should see it, maybe then they'll pull their heads out of the sand and admit that we need to do something to stop this and rid the world of these bastards.

On the other hand it could also be used as propaganda by the right wing to further increase the already stressed relations between the Christians and Muslims both here and elsewhere.

I don't need to _iew it to understand that something has to give now...too many people are losing their lives and it seems that no one is doing anything to sort it. "

This is why I said 'some' .

There are those of us with an 'it doesn't affect me, so why should I care?' Attitude, those are the people I was referring to.

As for it being what they want, yes, of course it is. They want people to see it and be shocked and afraid by it, that's their way of convincing people to convert to their beliefs.

They're not a civilized people, they only understand fear and hatred, which is why our rules of engagement are useless if and when we go over there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What disturbs me more are the comments on here... I've seen pictures of him before he was beheaded and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the video has yet to be verified as genuine...If the video is f

Genuine he did not deserve to die the way he did...he did not deserve to die at all...

No one deserves to die like that. I've seen the video, it's definitely a real execution/murder whether it's him or not I can't comment. "

The only thing that is oddly noticeable on the video is that when the beheading takes place his long sleeves are down. When he is dead they are rolled up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thought of what happened to him sickens me to the very core.

May he rest in peace x

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

The most frightening thing about this whole affair, is if the murderer is British he will be allowed back into this country no questions asked as he will have a British Passport.

I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of the Iraq or Afghan wars, and I wouldn't call those that go over to these places to fight in the name of religion traitors.

Every one is entitled to their _iews and beliefes, but one thing I would do is take away their passports. If they believe in what they are doing then they should not be allowed to come running back to our country when the going gets tough.

As for the murderers of Soldier Rigby, I would have beheaded them in public as per their religion.

You cannot pussy foot around with these people because they are fanatics and only know violence.

As far as I am concerned let them all be killed as martyrs. If thats the only way to get them off our streets then so be it, dead martyrs can't hurt you.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The most frightening thing about this whole affair, is if the murderer is British he will be allowed back into this country no questions asked as he will have a British Passport.

I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of the Iraq or Afghan wars, and I wouldn't call those that go over to these places to fight in the name of religion traitors.

Every one is entitled to their _iews and beliefes, but one thing I would do is take away their passports. If they believe in what they are doing then they should not be allowed to come running back to our country when the going gets tough.

As for the murderers of Soldier Rigby, I would have beheaded them in public as per their religion.

You cannot pussy foot around with these people because they are fanatics and only know violence.

As far as I am concerned let them all be killed as martyrs. If thats the only way to get them off our streets then so be it, dead martyrs can't hurt you.

"

Dead martyrs become saints and garner followers.

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

This latest video posted by IS (does that stand for Islamic Scum?) is not a new tactic, they have been doing this for years, anyone remember the beheading of Ken Bigley by Al-Qaida many years ago?

These IS or ISIS extremist terrorist scum need to be confronted and dealt with, and i think its just a matter of time now before the Brits join the USA in helping the Iraq government and the Kurds with targeted air strikes and assisted Intelligence against ISIS. The Iraqis will be the boots/troops on the ground and the USA along with the UK and maybe other countries will provide the air power to bomb the hell out of them (if only there was a way to round them all up into one big group and drop a nuke on the bastards)!

The IS are more of a threat to moderate muslims in the region and they will slaughter anyone who refuses to convert to their twisted version of Islam and they will continue to do so until they are wiped out. We dealt with Hitler and the Nazis and i'm sure in time the world will win this war against these mindless extremists called IS. Its about time Christians, Jews and moderate muslims aswel as non religious people came together to combat this problem on a global scale.

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

Dead martyrs become saints and garner followers.

They do but they are dead .... and this is what we should concentrate on ....... as the leaders are never martyrs ..... they don't do what they preach and too chicken shit to die for their cause.

They hide in caves or holes when they are confronted.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Dead martyrs become saints and garner followers.

They do but they are dead .... and this is what we should concentrate on ....... as the leaders are never martyrs ..... they don't do what they preach and too chicken shit to die for their cause.

They hide in caves or holes when they are confronted."

My point is the followers aren't dead and will take the glory in heaven knowing they will inspire others.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"The most frightening thing about this whole affair, is if the murderer is British he will be allowed back into this country no questions asked as he will have a British Passport.

I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of the Iraq or Afghan wars, and I wouldn't call those that go over to these places to fight in the name of religion traitors.

Every one is entitled to their _iews and beliefes, but one thing I would do is take away their passports. If they believe in what they are doing then they should not be allowed to come running back to our country when the going gets tough.

As for the murderers of Soldier Rigby, I would have beheaded them in public as per their religion.

You cannot pussy foot around with these people because they are fanatics and only know violence.

As far as I am concerned let them all be killed as martyrs. If thats the only way to get them off our streets then so be it, dead martyrs can't hurt you.

Dead martyrs become saints and garner followers.

"

....and when they kill people like Lee Rigby, that in turn only gives more support to groups like the EDL and the BNP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know this is a touchy subject, but heres some of my thoughts:

We do argue its barbaric the way people are killed by these groups, i.e the beheading..but I'm not too sure thats something more about most peoples beliefs about being separated from their body in the sense of their soul not being able to rest.

I dont know(nor wish to),if its a way I'd rather go than many other ways of being killed/tortured to death.

What is disgusting more than the killing itself is the celebration of killing,and its message to mock a taken life.

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

One of the worlds biggest problems really is about the information that is being sent or blocked, lies, manipulation and greed..unfortunately thats something that many sides of the divides are probably guilty of.

For those that are British converts and now fighting for some 'holy' cause?-I cannot even fathom why...evil?..mentally unwell? power?

sympathy for the journalist,family and friends..and anyone that is caught in the middle of fighting..I'm sure there are thousands who just want to get on with life, as hard as it may be too.

hope I havent offended anyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will not watch a video of a human being murdered.

As for the ideological battles being waged in various areas, Israel/Gaza, Russia/Ukraine, Iraq, Syria etc it is a massively complicated minefield which concerns me greatly. I don't feel I understand the issues, ideologies and various arguments from all areas of current conflict to know what the appropriate response of the UK should be.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

"

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world. "

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-20/watching-beheading-video-may-constitute-a-terrorism-offence/

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. "

We are not talking about centuries or decades ago, we are talking about the here and now in todays modern world. Firing missiles from miles away is within the Geneva convention, as long as they are targeted against a military opponent, in this case ISIS targets. ISIS do not recognise the geneva convention or obey its laws, its against the geneva convention to torture/murder/kill unarmed prisoners of war which is what ISIS did in that video they posted aswel as all the other massacres they have conducted recently of unarmed Iraqi PoW's. Britain and the USA do in todays world obey the geneva convention, ISIS know this and that is why they hide in schools, Mosques and hospitals or use these places as weapons storage places, these are the sort of people we are dealing with here.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-20/watching-beheading-video-may-constitute-a-terrorism-offence/"

I wondered about that. I haven't followed your link but given what is covered by the Acts following 9/11 and 7/7 I wouldn't want a trace of watching any of this on my computer.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-20/watching-beheading-video-may-constitute-a-terrorism-offence/

I wondered about that. I haven't followed your link but given what is covered by the Acts following 9/11 and 7/7 I wouldn't want a trace of watching any of this on my computer.

"

To be honest I couldn't have watched it anyway but I didn't think of it being a no no and I bet a lot more didn't either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. "

When the face of the 'opponent' becomes a machine..I fail to see how I can think that we will learn about our humanity.

I sort of thought thats what we learned from Hiroshima to be honest.

Too many, in my opinion,think the pressing a button to make it all go away is the answer..I think that in itself dehumanizes all of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

maybe a few more people should watch it so they know just whats going on in the world.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-08-20/watching-beheading-video-may-constitute-a-terrorism-offence/

I wondered about that. I haven't followed your link but given what is covered by the Acts following 9/11 and 7/7 I wouldn't want a trace of watching any of this on my computer.

"

Had this conversation with a 13 year old today who had never heard of GCHQ! As I said earlier, I will not watch a video of a human being murdered and struggle to understand why anyone would.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait.

We are not talking about centuries or decades ago, we are talking about the here and now in todays modern world. Firing missiles from miles away is within the Geneva convention, as long as they are targeted against a military opponent, in this case ISIS targets. ISIS do not recognise the geneva convention or obey its laws, its against the geneva convention to torture/murder/kill unarmed prisoners of war which is what ISIS did in that video they posted aswel as all the other massacres they have conducted recently of unarmed Iraqi PoW's. Britain and the USA do in todays world obey the geneva convention, ISIS know this and that is why they hide in schools, Mosques and hospitals or use these places as weapons storage places, these are the sort of people we are dealing with here."

Because how long ago it is matters?

Sunday, bloody Sunday....

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By *oody39Man
over a year ago

tunbridge wells

I just feel I need to make a few points here.

Someone said they should be beheaded as per there religion, no there religion states all killings of Kuffars (non believers) is fine, and they are given hero status for it.

I was part of a right wing group for a cple of years, and in this country your screwed, you stand up and say this is wrong, you are branded racist.

The truth is, this will never end, Islam intends to take over the world, and is doing a good job.

I am not at all surprised it was a British accent, I researched the recruitment in this country a few years ago. The truth is truly shocking.

Many many right wing followers are saying 2020 will be civil war on our streets. I would not be at all surprised,he government have driven EDL/NEI/NWI etc underground.

I must add I no longer follow the right wing group, but if anyone would like to discuss it, I will happily do it via pm.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. "
this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

I think a lot of people are a little too hasty in jumping into full support for the western cause. I agree that Isis is a destructive force. In fact, I advocate global secularisation.

But to patriotically beat one's chest and blindly accept the facts as our leaders put them to us is misguided. In so many of these scenarios, there are other forces we can barely fathom at play, forces that do not care for the Geneva convention or the establishment of peace.

In 1979, the american CIA backed a revolution in iran that has since arguably cost millions of people their lives, because the previous ruler didn't want to trade with the west. Proxy wars were conducted with the then-USSR over the past sixty years on the same basis, arguably continuing today in Ukraine.Even in the past decade, we have learned that developed nations have utilized torture methods. We sought to rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein on the basis that he had WMD's, which he ultimately didn't, and that conflict cost 150,000 Iraqi people their lives, a figure quietly mentioned in the news years later.

And now, Iraq has become a completely destabilised country, a breeding ground for extremism, and similar scenarios are emerging from Libya, Syria, and Egypt, where, oddly enough, the west has had some influence in toppling former regimes.

So when you watch the news, don't take it at face value. Europe and america are not the superheroes of the world, trying to impose peace and unity wherever they roam. There are only two possible reasons for their actions, one cynical, the other revolutionary.

They may be attempting to usher in a new era of civilisation, where one centralised power is responsible for the way in which powers the world over rise and fall. We already have the EU and the UN, instances of countries combining as one supranational state. One day, these supranational bodies will openly and effectively run the world, under one law.

Cynically however, what you see on the news may be the result of power struggles between states, motivated by self gain. Its a tired notion repeated many times, but really, western involvement in the middle east is far greater than that in Africa, the far east or South America, where there is just a great a call for humanitarian interruption. But involvement in these areas lacks a decent return on investment. There may be a genocide occuring in North Korea right now. Saudi Arabia has just beheaded a 17 year old girl. Central Africa is still rife with roaming militias. But the focus is not there, at least not in full.

Whichever theory is true in this crazy world, one can rely on a certainty: the common man will suffer.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering"

And bloody Sunday wasn't?

My response was to those who some how feel that Britons are above barbarism, not to diminish the plight of the beheaded.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"I think a lot of people are a little too hasty in jumping into full support for the western cause. I agree that Isis is a destructive force. In fact, I advocate global secularisation.

But to patriotically beat one's chest and blindly accept the facts as our leaders put them to us is misguided. In so many of these scenarios, there are other forces we can barely fathom at play, forces that do not care for the Geneva convention or the establishment of peace.

In 1979, the american CIA backed a revolution in iran that has since arguably cost millions of people their lives, because the previous ruler didn't want to trade with the west. Proxy wars were conducted with the then-USSR over the past sixty years on the same basis, arguably continuing today in Ukraine.Even in the past decade, we have learned that developed nations have utilized torture methods. We sought to rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein on the basis that he had WMD's, which he ultimately didn't, and that conflict cost 150,000 Iraqi people their lives, a figure quietly mentioned in the news years later.

And now, Iraq has become a completely destabilised country, a breeding ground for extremism, and similar scenarios are emerging from Libya, Syria, and Egypt, where, oddly enough, the west has had some influence in toppling former regimes.

So when you watch the news, don't take it at face value. Europe and america are not the superheroes of the world, trying to impose peace and unity wherever they roam. There are only two possible reasons for their actions, one cynical, the other revolutionary.

They may be attempting to usher in a new era of civilisation, where one centralised power is responsible for the way in which powers the world over rise and fall. We already have the EU and the UN, instances of countries combining as one supranational state. One day, these supranational bodies will openly and effectively run the world, under one law.

Cynically however, what you see on the news may be the result of power struggles between states, motivated by self gain. Its a tired notion repeated many times, but really, western involvement in the middle east is far greater than that in Africa, the far east or South America, where there is just a great a call for humanitarian interruption. But involvement in these areas lacks a decent return on investment. There may be a genocide occuring in North Korea right now. Saudi Arabia has just beheaded a 17 year old girl. Central Africa is still rife with roaming militias. But the focus is not there, at least not in full.

Whichever theory is true in this crazy world, one can rely on a certainty: the common man will suffer."

Fuck me, some sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering

And bloody Sunday wasn't?

My response was to those who some how feel that Britons are above barbarism, not to diminish the plight of the beheaded. "

You are trying to make political points that have nothing to do with this act

To your shame!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering

And bloody Sunday wasn't?

My response was to those who some how feel that Britons are above barbarism, not to diminish the plight of the beheaded.

You are trying to make political points that have nothing to do with this act

To your shame!"

Have you actually read the thread?

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By *ecretly seductiveWoman
over a year ago

Palookaville


"it is beyond words.... the poor man.

may he rest in peace."

I'm not really that up on politics or the myriad of arguments for one side or another in any of the wars or many other terrible things happening around the world. . I just find it awful that a human being could so cruelly take a young man's life for simply doing his job .As a mother I can only imagine the pain felt by his family at the thought of losing a son in such a barbaric manner. . And my heart goes out to them. RIP young man.

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

As ordinary people, incapable of effecting real influence on world affairs, I think there's only one constructive way of reacting to news like this.

Sympathise with Mr. Foley's family. Call for an end to religious extremism in all its forms, and an end to intolerance. But remember that there are two (or more) sides to every story. True objectivity is hard to reach, but worth it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I know I am being a complete ostrich here but I just can't bear to watch the news anymore. There is war everywhere, unspeakable inhumane acts being carried out and I for one really am worried. "

Its getting unbearable, the worlds on fire!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering

And bloody Sunday wasn't?

My response was to those who some how feel that Britons are above barbarism, not to diminish the plight of the beheaded.

You are trying to make political points that have nothing to do with this act

To your shame!

Have you actually read the thread?"

Have you?!

It wasn't until your first post that politics came into the conversation. The subject was mainly discussing IS their tactics, ideologies and lack of basic humanity and how we could possibly react to or combat them.

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By *impleme667Man
over a year ago

Sheffield

Absolutely correct. These animals (hope animals society accepts my apology) are dangerous for humanity. They are that bad even alqaedeh denies any link.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait.

We are not talking about centuries or decades ago, we are talking about the here and now in todays modern world. Firing missiles from miles away is within the Geneva convention, as long as they are targeted against a military opponent, in this case ISIS targets. ISIS do not recognise the geneva convention or obey its laws, its against the geneva convention to torture/murder/kill unarmed prisoners of war which is what ISIS did in that video they posted aswel as all the other massacres they have conducted recently of unarmed Iraqi PoW's. Britain and the USA do in todays world obey the geneva convention, ISIS know this and that is why they hide in schools, Mosques and hospitals or use these places as weapons storage places, these are the sort of people we are dealing with here."

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over a year ago

but really, western involvement in the middle east is far greater than that in Africa, the far east or South America, where there is just a great a call for humanitarian interruption. But involvement in these areas lacks a decent return on investment. There may be a genocide occuring in North Korea right now. Saudi Arabia has just beheaded a 17 year old girl. Central Africa is still rife with roaming militias. But the focus is not there, at least not in full.

Yeah but none of the above are sitting on Oil that is literally oozing out of the ground in places. Imagine a world where these killer thugs own the greatest protection racket the world has ever seen. I shudder to think how dark and dangerous the world will be.

I'm afraid I'm a bit of a hand wringer. The Israeli's have tried to bomb Hamas to the negotiating table, but it's a bit like the little boy putting his finger in the dyke. The lake of angry disenfranchised people just gets bigger and bigger. Eventually they will run out of fingers and the dam will burst and they will be overwhelmed.

This is what is going on. The bombing and killings have just led to more and more psychopathic people with a chip on their shoulder that have had terrible things done to their families shouting louder and louder and over coming the moderates.

I think all we should do is pull everyone out "including journalists etc"

Provide enough arms to the people we think are the good guys and provide them with air support and help them to roll back this lot because surely no one in their country would want to live in a country dominated by Al capone Zakawi or whatever he is called.

This plan is probably what is being mooted but like all the other plans is doomed to failure because of the unknown way in which psychopaths behave when they are confronted.

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over a year ago


"I just feel I need to make a few points here.

Someone said they should be beheaded as per there religion, no there religion states all killings of Kuffars (non believers) is fine, and they are given hero status for it.

I was part of a right wing group for a cple of years, and in this country your screwed, you stand up and say this is wrong, you are branded racist.

The truth is, this will never end, Islam intends to take over the world, and is doing a good job.

I am not at all surprised it was a British accent, I researched the recruitment in this country a few years ago. The truth is truly shocking.

Many many right wing followers are saying 2020 will be civil war on our streets. I would not be at all surprised,he government have driven EDL/NEI/NWI etc underground.

I must add I no longer follow the right wing group, but if anyone would like to discuss it, I will happily do it via pm."

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


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Theres another side to what one side sees as barbaric,some might say firing missiles from an unknown location onto your enemy is barbaric or even quite cowardly.

Quite - Britannia and its empire building has been responsible for some acts of savagery and barbaraism in its not-too-distant past that makes this look amateurish, which is not to say I don't feel sorry for the guy and his family, but I feel I had to address the comments that seek to define this as an arab/terrorist/etc trait. this was barbarism on a medieval scale

I don't think I people should try to score political points from this mans death

I feel for him and his family

I sincerely hope his family find a way through the pain they are suffering

And bloody Sunday wasn't?

My response was to those who some how feel that Britons are above barbarism, not to diminish the plight of the beheaded.

You are trying to make political points that have nothing to do with this act

To your shame!

Have you actually read the thread?

Have you?!

It wasn't until your first post that politics came into the conversation. The subject was mainly discussing IS their tactics, ideologies and lack of basic humanity and how we could possibly react to or combat them. "

Politics came into this thread on post number 4.

Discussing IS tactics, ideologies etc IS politics, by the way.

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts


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Yeah but none of the above are sitting on Oil that is literally oozing out of the ground in places. Imagine a world where these killer thugs own the greatest protection racket the world has ever seen. I shudder to think how dark and dangerous the world will be.

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I see your point, but I'd prefer if the powers that be were honest about their intentions. Prattling on about humanitarian needs and then acting in a completely different fashion does nothing for their credibility.

And if what you're saying was entirely accurate, wouldn't we have made major advances away from fossil fuel technology? I think our intervention is more to do with seeking personal gain than preventing national loss.

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