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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I hope and pray that this comes to nothing, but I thought that with Rolf Harris. My memories of childhood celebrities is now almost completely ruined.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not everyone gets found guilty though.

ken barlow and a few others weren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy! "

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy! "

and on what do you base your reckoning?

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

Check this out before all the mud is slung at Cliff Richard without any evidence

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-way-the-police-have-treated-cliff-richard-is-completely-unacceptable-9672367.html

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Check this out before all the mud is slung at Cliff Richard without any evidence

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-way-the-police-have-treated-cliff-richard-is-completely-unacceptable-9672367.html"

Yes a good article, think its very wrong the way that cliffs been treated.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian."

1 in 50 clergy are paedos.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

Lucky he is a pop singer then lol

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Lucky he is a pop singer then lol"

Well his best mate is an ex priest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian.

1 in 50 clergy are paedos.

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That's not all of them then is it.

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian.

1 in 50 clergy are paedos.

That's not all of them then is it."

Hell of a lot though.

Wonder the ratio of people to swingers.

1 -2000

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media."

Could be part of the plan.

They haven't touched mps yet have they??

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

father xmas should stop letting kids sit on his lap just in case lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Check this out before all the mud is slung at Cliff Richard without any evidence

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-way-the-police-have-treated-cliff-richard-is-completely-unacceptable-9672367.html"

take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKwzpwK8Ss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its wrong that this is now in the public domain. The man has not even been charged of anything. There is something about sexual offences, even if nothing is ever found some will never see him the same and others will just say there is no smoke without fire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media."

Yes I agree it could happen to anyone too.

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media."

This x

The facts : he was acused

That's it

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Check this out before all the mud is slung at Cliff Richard without any evidence

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-way-the-police-have-treated-cliff-richard-is-completely-unacceptable-9672367.html

take a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHKwzpwK8Ss

"

Wow, he had some very bad friends for being such a good christian boy

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

I'm sitting here and going over the news and it strikes me as very true what ?Sir Cliff Richard? is saying about the police searching his house. He did not know about it but the press do, How is that possible? Only if the ??police? inform the press. How can anyone have a fair shake in the public eye if even the police allow the press to try them in public? How do the police expect the public to have any confidence in them?

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"I'm sitting here and going over the news and it strikes me as very true what ?Sir Cliff Richard? is saying about the police searching his house. He did not know about it but the press do, How is that possible? Only if the ??police? inform the press. How can anyone have a fair shake in the public eye if even the police allow the press to try them in public? How do the police expect the public to have any confidence in them?

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Surely it's common for the police NOT to tell someone who has an allegation against that they are planning to search their house/flat.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts


"I'm sitting here and going over the news and it strikes me as very true what ?Sir Cliff Richard? is saying about the police searching his house. He did not know about it but the press do, How is that possible? Only if the ??police? inform the press. How can anyone have a fair shake in the public eye if even the police allow the press to try them in public? How do the police expect the public to have any confidence in them?

Surely it's common for the police NOT to tell someone who has an allegation against that they are planning to search their house/flat. "

it is, but also would have thought not to inform the press either would be the correct procedure??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you heard of the Elm Guest House story from the 80's?

Things happened there, high profile people involved. Cliff was a regular paying guest at that guest house at the same time that a high profile paedo ring were using the premises.

The only people ever charged for crimes at that time were the B&B owners, for running a brothel. Not for child sex offences - that was completely overlooked/covered up because of who was involved.

The high profile MP's and other associates were never investigated. Those children (boys) who were affected at that time (some have gone on to kill themselves) are adults now and still seeking justice. Bought up in childrens homes and ferried in for the purpose.

There have been super injuctions to stop this coming out for months and months.

If Cliff is innocent - he knew for sure what was going on in that place!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I'm sitting here and going over the news and it strikes me as very true what ?Sir Cliff Richard? is saying about the police searching his house. He did not know about it but the press do, How is that possible? Only if the ??police? inform the press. How can anyone have a fair shake in the public eye if even the police allow the press to try them in public? How do the police expect the public to have any confidence in them?

Surely it's common for the police NOT to tell someone who has an allegation against that they are planning to search their house/flat.

it is, but also would have thought not to inform the press either would be the correct procedure??"

as I understand it the police acted on information supplied by the media. If that is right it would only need one reporter to stake out his home.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Have you heard of the Elm Guest House story from the 80's?

Things happened there, high profile people involved. Cliff was a regular paying guest at that guest house at the same time that a high profile paedo ring were using the premises.

The only people ever charged for crimes at that time were the B&B owners, for running a brothel. Not for child sex offences - that was completely overlooked/covered up because of who was involved.

The high profile MP's and other associates were never investigated. Those children (boys) who were affected at that time (some have gone on to kill themselves) are adults now and still seeking justice. Bought up in childrens homes and ferried in for the purpose.

There have been super injuctions to stop this coming out for months and months.

If Cliff is innocent - he knew for sure what was going on in that place!"

I don't understand exactly how you can be sure that he knew for sure what was going on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

"

But he has been questioned before - hence knowing about the allegations for months... like he said in a statement this week

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By *orthwest_cplCouple
over a year ago

Stretford

You never know what dangers are lurking in the shadows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol hes a Christian! He's guilty then!!!

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian."

SO ARE VICARS , AND WE ALLL KNOW WHAT THEY LIKE , YOUNG CHOIR BOYS

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"You never know what dangers are lurking in the shadows."

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Anyone with any sense and money, if given advance warning that something might happen, would organise their life accordingly. I'm guessing that there is no evidence decades after an event and where several months of notice have been given. It seems a bit dodgy how things have been done in general.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

There have been recent rumblings about him for some time now, this comes as no great surprise.

What is interesting is, I believe that several months ago, he changed nationality to Barbadian.

There are no extradition arrangements between Barbados and the UK as far as I know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"not everyone gets found guilty though.

ken barlow and a few others weren't."

Still undecided with him tho always been smarmy to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian."

And that stopped the priests etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was pointed to an interesting article via the forums regarding certain ppl allegedly check out article "elms guest house " might open some eyes

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media."

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell. "

Does feel as if some posters have some form of Stockholm syndrome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

Does feel as if some posters have some form of Stockholm syndrome"

Explain??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell. "

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've only hear rumors and lets face it there are rumors about Elvis working in a chip shop and a Nazi bomber on the moon so I don't put that much on them. If the crown prosecution service think there is a case I may read up on it but till then its all piss and wind by people wanting to make a name for themselves in my book.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I've only hear rumors and lets face it there are rumors about Elvis working in a chip shop and a Nazi bomber on the moon so I don't put that much on them. If the crown prosecution service think there is a case I may read up on it but till then its all piss and wind by people wanting to make a name for themselves in my book. "

I thought the same when I heard about Rolf Harris ...........!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

He has not even been interviewed yet.

Remember that it only takes one allegation and any of us could be in the same position.

What a frightening position to be in if innocent......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

"

So did Dave lee Travis,Jim Davidson, Freddie Starr and Bill Roache

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've only hear rumors and lets face it there are rumors about Elvis working in a chip shop and a Nazi bomber on the moon so I don't put that much on them. If the crown prosecution service think there is a case I may read up on it but till then its all piss and wind by people wanting to make a name for themselves in my book.

I thought the same when I heard about Rolf Harris ...........!!"

But not Freddie Starr or Jim Davidson who said the same?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Btw, what media where actually present when the police did the search?

Not papers from the Murdoch stable by any chance was it?

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

Only one complaint,I do not think the police think anything in it,it does not fit the pattern of the others,inocent odds on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He has not even been interviewed yet.

Remember that it only takes one allegation and any of us could be in the same position.

What a frightening position to be in if innocent......"

You forget some people are wishing its true and don't like facts to gen in the way of wishes. Cliff is an arse but the general public hasn't a fucking clue right now if he is guilty or not but some will grasp to every dreamt up thing.

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point "

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May be showing my age as I'm 40 today lol, but I find it quite distressing, these are all people we grew up watching and listening to and admired. Every time something new comes out it's just so sad x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

May be showing my age as I'm 40 today lol, but I find it quite distressing, these are all people we grew up watching and listening to and admired. Every time something new comes out it's just so sad x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net"

Nobody wants them to slip through the net bet neither do people want bigots, or people who have guilty chosen before they have the fact. People deserve a fair trial after all based on facts not prejudices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What do you call a peado with a seagull on his head?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net"

Don't put words into my mouth because I said nothing of the sort

I don't care who he is,innocent until proven guilty the same as everyone in this country deserves,not a witch hunt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. "

Its one or the other unless you are the sort of person who is lead by red top tabloids though the slurry yard of spoon fed shite.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net

Don't put words into my mouth because I said nothing of the sort

I don't care who he is,innocent until proven guilty the same as everyone in this country deserves,not a witch hunt "

Its not a witch hunt, his house is bring searched with information, people are talking about it.

No witches involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net

Don't put words into my mouth because I said nothing of the sort

I don't care who he is,innocent until proven guilty the same as everyone in this country deserves,not a witch hunt

Its not a witch hunt, his house is bring searched with information, people are talking about it.

No witches involved"

Im talking about the attitudes of some people that have posted on the couple of threads about it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net

Don't put words into my mouth because I said nothing of the sort

I don't care who he is,innocent until proven guilty the same as everyone in this country deserves,not a witch hunt

Its not a witch hunt, his house is bring searched with information, people are talking about it.

No witches involved"

That's naivety at best there are people presuming guilt when nobody knows the reality yet. The law in the UK presumes innocent until proven guilty and until the evidence is presented.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I just think the way they have treated someone that has not been questioned , arrested, charged or anything is disgusting, nobody should destroy somebody's reputation with trial by media.

So should he be left alone as he is famous? I don't think so. Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. If he has done it he should burn in hell.

No smoke without fire? I find it scary that any adult with an o_nce of itelligence could believe such a thing,and people like you could be picked for jury service at some point

So what r u saying its sir cliff so he must be innocent. If certain police officers had done their job right with Saville then a lot of kids could have had a better life. Let's not let any more slip through the net

Nobody wants them to slip through the net bet neither do people want bigots, or people who have guilty chosen before they have the fact. People deserve a fair trial after all based on facts not prejudices. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Only one complaint,I do not think the police think anything in it,it does not fit the pattern of the others,inocent odds on"

Its only one complaint at this moment in time, although it's distressing for the accused, the reason they are named is to encourage other victims to come forward maybe because they felt isolated and alone and felt they would not be believed if they made an accusation of such a household name.

If he's innocent he will walk free like Bill Roach, if guilty he will get his just rewards. Best to leave speculation until it's proven either way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

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And what Bill Roach, Michael le Vell, Nigel Evans, Freddie Starr said too. All found innocent too. John Leslie lost a lucrative career on the basis of gossip and rumours too. How would anyone feel in their shoes? Look at the Dr Shepherd case in the States. A famous miscarriage of justice, on the back of hysterical media reporting. Cleared ten years later, a brilliant Doctor, his life was ruined and he ended up an alcoholic, wrestling for money. A broken man, he died years before his time.

Anonymity should be kept until guilty verdicts handed out. None of us on here can fight suspicion and rumours and innuendo. Finally, internet blogs are proof of nothing. Many of us on here lead lives that we would hate work colleagues to know about. The press should not have been involved in Cliff's case at all. Naming someone should be kept for those the CPS have strong evidence of being multiple offenders and require special leave from the courts to do so.

My opinion anyway!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

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Imagine all the innocent people being sent to prison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some people's attitudes on this thread are utterly shameful...

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By *dsindyTV/TS
over a year ago

East Lancashire


"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

And what Bill Roach, Michael le Vell, Nigel Evans, Freddie Starr said too. All found innocent too. John Leslie lost a lucrative career on the basis of gossip and rumours too. How would anyone feel in their shoes? Look at the Dr Shepherd case in the States. A famous miscarriage of justice, on the back of hysterical media reporting. Cleared ten years later, a brilliant Doctor, his life was ruined and he ended up an alcoholic, wrestling for money. A broken man, he died years before his time.

Anonymity should be kept until guilty verdicts handed out. None of us on here can fight suspicion and rumours and innuendo. Finally, internet blogs are proof of nothing. Many of us on here lead lives that we would hate work colleagues to know about. The press should not have been involved in Cliff's case at all. Naming someone should be kept for those the CPS have strong evidence of being multiple offenders and require special leave from the courts to do so.

My opinion anyway! "

This....

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

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"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

And what Bill Roach, Michael le Vell, Nigel Evans, Freddie Starr said too. All found innocent too. John Leslie lost a lucrative career on the basis of gossip and rumours too. How would anyone feel in their shoes? Look at the Dr Shepherd case in the States. A famous miscarriage of justice, on the back of hysterical media reporting. Cleared ten years later, a brilliant Doctor, his life was ruined and he ended up an alcoholic, wrestling for money. A broken man, he died years before his time.

Anonymity should be kept until guilty verdicts handed out. None of us on here can fight suspicion and rumours and innuendo. Finally, internet blogs are proof of nothing. Many of us on here lead lives that we would hate work colleagues to know about. The press should not have been involved in Cliff's case at all. Naming someone should be kept for those the CPS have strong evidence of being multiple offenders and require special leave from the courts to do so.

My opinion anyway!

This.... "

Absolutely this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose fame and wealth does come with a price, its very difficult to get a guilty verdict without any direct evidence e.g forensics.

The law was change years back so this type of case could go to courts.

It very rare to get a conviction without evidence unless more folk come foward

on a lighter note... He been. Hiding in the shadows for years! And his " gonna lock her up in a trunk" wont help

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think that if the accuser can have anonymity then so should the accused... simples.

With regards the Cliff. I always thought he was gay, but am surprised about the peado allegations.

I have a friend who worked royal protection who told me a sensational story about Cliff that has always seemed completely far fetched, but Id love to think it was true. It involves Cliff, another pop star and a politician!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

And what Bill Roach, Michael le Vell, Nigel Evans, Freddie Starr said too. All found innocent too. John Leslie lost a lucrative career on the basis of gossip and rumours too. How would anyone feel in their shoes? Look at the Dr Shepherd case in the States. A famous miscarriage of justice, on the back of hysterical media reporting. Cleared ten years later, a brilliant Doctor, his life was ruined and he ended up an alcoholic, wrestling for money. A broken man, he died years before his time.

Anonymity should be kept until guilty verdicts handed out. None of us on here can fight suspicion and rumours and innuendo. Finally, internet blogs are proof of nothing. Many of us on here lead lives that we would hate work colleagues to know about. The press should not have been involved in Cliff's case at all. Naming someone should be kept for those the CPS have strong evidence of being multiple offenders and require special leave from the courts to do so.

My opinion anyway! "

Normally I would agree but we have now all seen a complete failure of all althorities, including a serious reluctance of others to act - everybody that knew savile was aware of his actions.

If the papers don't do this then who will ?

This is IMO the consequences of those that allowed these Cases to become historic.

As to Richards, yes he has been linked to this through online blogs, blogs that leave you feeling horrified.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I suppose fame and wealth does come with a price, its very difficult to get a guilty verdict without any direct evidence e.g forensics.

The law was change years back so this type of case could go to courts.

It very rare to get a conviction without evidence unless more folk come foward

on a lighter note... He been. Hiding in the shadows for years! And his " gonna lock her up in a trunk" wont help"

The way I see it as there has been disturbing evidence from many years ago.

This Billy graham case is completely new to me.

From elm street docs, his name was on this and his close network of dodgy friends, and to some his dodgy songs does create some smoke.

I honestly think there were bad times going on with the establishment, whether it was used for blackmail purposes or complete perversions.

However I do notice that some people will never be convinced,and to some just like finding out father Christmas wasn't real.

Quite sick at some of the comments though on some websites.

From one 18 year old saying cliff is more to her than life

As usual the media playing good cop bad cop all the time, twisting to the agenda.

There were some very henious crimes and probably still going on now, and just as sick cover Ups to protect certain individuals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire.

Its one or the other unless you are the sort of person who is lead by red top tabloids though the slurry yard of spoon fed shite. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suppose fame and wealth does come with a price, its very difficult to get a guilty verdict without any direct evidence e.g forensics.

The law was change years back so this type of case could go to courts.

It very rare to get a conviction without evidence unless more folk come foward

on a lighter note... He been. Hiding in the shadows for years! And his " gonna lock her up in a trunk" wont help

The way I see it as there has been disturbing evidence from many years ago.

This Billy graham case is completely new to me.

From elm street docs, his name was on this and his close network of dodgy friends, and to some his dodgy songs does create some smoke.

I honestly think there were bad times going on with the establishment, whether it was used for blackmail purposes or complete perversions.

However I do notice that some people will never be convinced,and to some just like finding out father Christmas wasn't real.

Quite sick at some of the comments though on some websites.

From one 18 year old saying cliff is more to her than life

As usual the media playing good cop bad cop all the time, twisting to the agenda.

There were some very henious crimes and probably still going on now, and just as sick cover Ups to protect certain individuals "

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By *dncouple89Couple
over a year ago

London

Apparently the police were looking for the young ones

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cliff said the allegations were 'completely false'.

Exactly what Rolf Harris, Stuart Hall and Max Clifford also said.

And what Bill Roach, Michael le Vell, Nigel Evans, Freddie Starr said too. All found innocent too. John Leslie lost a lucrative career on the basis of gossip and rumours too. How would anyone feel in their shoes? Look at the Dr Shepherd case in the States. A famous miscarriage of justice, on the back of hysterical media reporting. Cleared ten years later, a brilliant Doctor, his life was ruined and he ended up an alcoholic, wrestling for money. A broken man, he died years before his time.

Anonymity should be kept until guilty verdicts handed out. None of us on here can fight suspicion and rumours and innuendo. Finally, internet blogs are proof of nothing. Many of us on here lead lives that we would hate work colleagues to know about. The press should not have been involved in Cliff's case at all. Naming someone should be kept for those the CPS have strong evidence of being multiple offenders and require special leave from the courts to do so.

My opinion anyway! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I suppose fame and wealth does come with a price, its very difficult to get a guilty verdict without any direct evidence e.g forensics.

The law was change years back so this type of case could go to courts.

It very rare to get a conviction without evidence unless more folk come foward

on a lighter note... He been. Hiding in the shadows for years! And his " gonna lock her up in a trunk" wont help

The way I see it as there has been disturbing evidence from many years ago.

This Billy graham case is completely new to me.

From elm street docs, his name was on this and his close network of dodgy friends, and to some his dodgy songs does create some smoke.

I honestly think there were bad times going on with the establishment, whether it was used for blackmail purposes or complete perversions.

However I do notice that some people will never be convinced,and to some just like finding out father Christmas wasn't real.

Quite sick at some of the comments though on some websites.

From one 18 year old saying cliff is more to her than life

As usual the media playing good cop bad cop all the time, twisting to the agenda.

There were some very henious crimes and probably still going on now, and just as sick cover Ups to protect certain individuals "

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By *aguarsCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Never understand why it takes 30,40, 50 years to come forward, or saying too scared to speak out till now, which is usual line. Would never condone this behaviour if true although we live in different times and under the media spotlight. A danger of press becoming the law. Wish police would spend a lot of this energy making the streets safer and focusing on murders etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some people's attitudes on this thread are utterly shameful..."

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Elm House blogs are true (if!!), then it would appear police, MI5 et al were using their power to ensure crimes against children were buried and that transgressors were protected. Should this not be the subject of inquiries and legal action, e.g. perverting the course of justice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understand why it takes 30,40, 50 years to come forward, or saying too scared to speak out till now, which is usual line. Would never condone this behaviour if true although we live in different times and under the media spotlight. A danger of press becoming the law. Wish police would spend a lot of this energy making the streets safer and focusing on murders etc"

Famous folk believe and often given the chance to be above the law, how many working men have got the clout to hire a PR agency and law firm when caught drink driving.

They select their targets strategically often targeting youngster with a history of problems.

which person is going to believe a youth with a history of issues and behaviour problems over a famous person that rub shoulders with royalty.

The victims are chosen for these reasons , hence way everyone is coming forward to talk about what happened to them 30 years back.

I have no doubt this will only get bigger and there will be more to follow

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Never understand why it takes 30,40, 50 years to come forward, or saying too scared to speak out till now, which is usual line. Would never condone this behaviour if true although we live in different times and under the media spotlight. A danger of press becoming the law. Wish police would spend a lot of this energy making the streets safer and focusing on murders etc"

So what your saying is forget about these horrible nasty bastardis and just worry about making the streets safer and murders

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

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I've done it. No-one was hung, drawn, or quartered.

Although this does bring up an interesting point re the media in these cases. You are asked in advance whether you know of the case so they can get the more neutral people possible, but in cases like these they have been plastered over the media for months beforehand. How can they possibly get a fair jury in that case?

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By *aguarsCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

No we are saying report the crime when it happens rather than wait. The law states people are innocent until proven guilty. If guilty severe punishment should be given. There are over 500 murders per year in uk and 10% are typically unsolved.Wonder how many pounds notes have also been passed from the media to people who have had contact with "celebrity" to assist falling newspaper sales and wonder how many police were visiting his apartment to probably collect laptops and his computers that could actually spend the time trying to solve the murders that arent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No we are saying report the crime when it happens rather than wait. The law states people are innocent until proven guilty. If guilty severe punishment should be given. There are over 500 murders per year in uk and 10% are typically unsolved.Wonder how many pounds notes have also been passed from the media to people who have had contact with "celebrity" to assist falling newspaper sales and wonder how many police were visiting his apartment to probably collect laptops and his computers that could actually spend the time trying to solve the murders that arent."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the Elm House blogs are true (if!!), then it would appear police, MI5 et al were using their power to ensure crimes against children were buried and that transgressors were protected. Should this not be the subject of inquiries and legal action, e.g. perverting the course of justice? "

Wouldnt they be perverting the course of the perverts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

I've done it. No-one was hung, drawn, or quartered.

Although this does bring up an interesting point re the media in these cases. You are asked in advance whether you know of the case so they can get the more neutral people possible, but in cases like these they have been plastered over the media for months beforehand. How can they possibly get a fair jury in that case?"

I meant that some people are incapable of rational thought. It's black and white to them. "He did it cos he looks dodgy" etc etc.

Good point about the media- exactly why the accused should remain anonymous. They can't have a fair trial.

What if the person WAS guilty but appealed and got away with it due to media interference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No we are saying report the crime when it happens rather than wait. The law states people are innocent until proven guilty. If guilty severe punishment should be given. There are over 500 murders per year in uk and 10% are typically unsolved.Wonder how many pounds notes have also been passed from the media to people who have had contact with "celebrity" to assist falling newspaper sales and wonder how many police were visiting his apartment to probably collect laptops and his computers that could actually spend the time trying to solve the murders that arent.

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Yes but you have to remember most of these were children, who would have been to scared to saying anything

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"No we are saying report the crime when it happens rather than wait. The law states people are innocent until proven guilty. If guilty severe punishment should be given. There are over 500 murders per year in uk and 10% are typically unsolved.Wonder how many pounds notes have also been passed from the media to people who have had contact with "celebrity" to assist falling newspaper sales and wonder how many police were visiting his apartment to probably collect laptops and his computers that could actually spend the time trying to solve the murders that arent.

Yes but you have to remember most of these were children, who would have been to scared to saying anything"

And quite a few children have co.mited suicide since then

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"No we are saying report the crime when it happens rather than wait. The law states people are innocent until proven guilty. If guilty severe punishment should be given. There are over 500 murders per year in uk and 10% are typically unsolved.Wonder how many pounds notes have also been passed from the media to people who have had contact with "celebrity" to assist falling newspaper sales and wonder how many police were visiting his apartment to probably collect laptops and his computers that could actually spend the time trying to solve the murders that arent.

Yes but you have to remember most of these were children, who would have been to scared to saying anything"

I think it shows a remarkable lack of empathy to ask why children didn't report crimes at the time. Nothing bad happened to me when I was a kid but if a grown up had told me not to tell anybody something when I was 8 I probably wouldn't have and if a grown up had told me that if I did tell something bad would happen to my family or me I definitely wouldn't have said anything.

None of us know what's gone on, who among those who are under suspicion but haven't been tried are guilty and who is falsely accusing that's why it's probably best not to make out that we do.

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By *ncMan
over a year ago

Dudley


"Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire. "

Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental principle of English law. No smoke without fire is only believed by those incapable of intelligent, rational thought. Spot the difference?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Must air on the side of caution with the flying accusations..u

IF he Is found not guilty alot of people on here will be up shit creak without a legal leg to stand on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Innocent till proven guilty maybe but no smoke without fire.

Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental principle of English law. No smoke without fire is only believed by those incapable of intelligent, rational thought. Spot the difference? "

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By *aguarsCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

And when they were in their twenties, even thirties fourties still said nothing. Should he be guilty then it is justified.on the other side say Dave Lee Travis is found innocent again what happens that an innocent person defending himself as lost everything in the process. As a poster alluded to earlier the media influence will create guilty persons getting off through press intrusion. To be fair it is emotive and all views are right in some aspect as its all conjecture at the moment

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Must air on the side of caution with the flying accusations..u

IF he Is found not guilty alot of people on here will be up shit creak without a legal leg to stand on

."

Which gets me thinking, there are YouTube videos, websites,, blogs all talking about this,with evidence and newspaper clippings evidence based which have been established for years and they want to pick on a few swingers.. discussing what they saw or read??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's give it till the middle of next week and see how many others come out of the wood work with allegations .

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I do agree that everyone should be very cautious about posting potentially libelous statements. The burden of proof would typically rest on the head of those making the statements. Also bear in mind that Fab is a public searchable web site.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Wondering what the chances are of the case already been jeopardised because the press where tipped off argument as well as forwarning other people who maybe under investigation? ??

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I like to think the best of people. The police may be interested as he's outspokenly Christian, and thus could be a very reliable witness, to always tell the truth. He may be nothing other than one of the few people that they could trace to that event, and thus a possible good witness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian."

Yeah.... So are the paedophile vicars that have abused boys for decades. They are Christians too. Just because Cliff is a bible basher, it doesn't make him innocent. Over the years, it's starting to look like there are more religious paedophiles than non religious. Even the Pope has had to get involved because of Catholic priest paedophiles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian.

Yeah.... So are the paedophile vicars that have abused boys for decades. They are Christians too. Just because Cliff is a bible basher, it doesn't make him innocent. Over the years, it's starting to look like there are more religious paedophiles than non religious. Even the Pope has had to get involved because of Catholic priest paedophiles. "

Yes I know but I still think the majority of Christian people are good decent types, just because some aren't doesn't mean they are all like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Countless evil people have hid behind the veil of their religion to hide their crimes.

It doesn't make the vast majority culpable for the crimes of the few.

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By *lttattoocoupleCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Article could be biased.

If it goes to court I'll wait for the facts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Countless evil people have hid behind the veil of their religion to hide their crimes.

It doesn't make the vast majority culpable for the crimes of the few. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Article could be biased.

If it goes to court I'll wait for the facts "

Most articles are biased one way or another but who knows like you said the courts will decide if it actually goes that far and if it doesn't there mustn't be any evidence so its unlikely to be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm sitting here and going over the news and it strikes me as very true what ?Sir Cliff Richard? is saying about the police searching his house. He did not know about it but the press do, How is that possible? Only if the ??police? inform the press. How can anyone have a fair shake in the public eye if even the police allow the press to try them in public? How do the police expect the public to have any confidence in them?

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when I last lived in London, there wasn't one person that I knew who had any confidence in the police; everyone knew that they were a law on to themselves & had not an incline to the fact that they were supposed to be SERVING the public who paid them to protect them!!

Yet, as I remember, all the 'newspapers' were always full of praise & very pro-police; now, I wonder why that was???????

Nothing has changed, I'm afraid.

Just read the lyrics of the 70's (or early 80's) Tom Robinson band single; 'Glad To Be Gay' - & ask yourself; has anything really changed?

In my opinion the Levison & subsequent inquiries have well & truly answered - not only that question,

but big questions about them in the past.

But just like in the cases of army & navy, - enquiries that go back 30-odd years, rarely produce justice, just conceal the corruption, brutality & lies!!

Rant over!!!

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

The law should protect a person's potential of innocence.

The naming of suspects,leaves them open to horrendous speculation,unsubstantiated rumours,and half truths.

Where even the most innocent pursuit,can be twisted and turned,until it suits an agenda of guilt.

In law,protecting the innocent,should be equally as important,as the apprehension of guilty.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London


"If the Elm House blogs are true (if!!), then it would appear police, MI5 et al were using their power to ensure crimes against children were buried and that transgressors were protected. Should this not be the subject of inquiries and legal action, e.g. perverting the course of justice? "

If people want evidence of how the security services have previously covered child abuse up, I suggest you read a book by Paul Foot (Investigational journalist) re the Colin Wallace case. Funny how this is now being 're investigated' too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"....... Got a roving eye and that is why she satisfies my soul

Got the one and only walking talking, living doll......."

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"Must air on the side of caution with the flying accusations..u

IF he Is found not guilty alot of people on here will be up shit creak without a legal leg to stand on

.

Which gets me thinking, there are YouTube videos, websites,, blogs all talking about this,with evidence and newspaper clippings evidence based which have been established for years and they want to pick on a few swingers.. discussing what they saw or read??"

But no matter what you have seen he is STILL innocent until proven guilty.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I think Cliff is only guilty of being an easy target due to his asexual lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Personally I think Cliff is only guilty of being an easy target due to his asexual lifestyle. "

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I reckon there's got to be something dodgy with good old bachelor boy!

we shall have to wait and see. lots of his fans on facebook think hes innocent.

and hes a Christian."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4019347

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Private eye published all the details about elm house back in the 80's many of those named have since been found to be guilty. Nobody named has yet sued either private eye or any other publication.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private eye published all the details about elm house back in the 80's many of those named have since been found to be guilty. Nobody named has yet sued either private eye or any other publication. "

Reading about Elm House makes me sick to my stomach

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private eye published all the details about elm house back in the 80's many of those named have since been found to be guilty. Nobody named has yet sued either private eye or any other publication. "

just because they didn't sue doesn't mean they are guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The question is more why wouldn't they sue if the heinous allegations aren't true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The question is more why wouldn't they sue if the heinous allegations aren't true"

maybe they were true, or they choose to ignore every bit of gossip that's said and save their money, who knows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private eye published all the details about elm house back in the 80's many of those named have since been found to be guilty. Nobody named has yet sued either private eye or any other publication. "

I understand that at least one person involved in Elm House currently has a super inj_nction preventing the media discussing his alledged involvement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why do religious organisations contain so many child abusers?

Could it be because their heinous acts are regularly forgiven by God as they go along whilst those poor bloody heathens have to face their conscience on a daily basis throughout their lives?

Re the OP - I will believe Sir Cliff to be innocent until proven guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

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It would be shocking. I'm still not sure about how people are getting found guilty as I think the juries minds are made up before they even start on some things.

And also I accompanied a young lady to her interviews regarding something she claimed had happened 2 years ago and as the gentleman wasn't famous she was told it was to late to press charges as no evidence was available and it would be her word against his...funny that really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Imagine Fab forumites doing jury service...

It would be shocking. I'm still not sure about how people are getting found guilty as I think the juries minds are made up before they even start on some things.

And also I accompanied a young lady to her interviews regarding something she claimed had happened 2 years ago and as the gentleman wasn't famous she was told it was to late to press charges as no evidence was available and it would be her word against his...funny that really "

It's the 'time' thing that really gets me. I can't understand how anything can be proved one way or the other after a very long length of time, like a lot of these cases.

Hope you gave your friend a big hug. x

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over a year ago


"Private eye published all the details about elm house back in the 80's many of those named have since been found to be guilty. Nobody named has yet sued either private eye or any other publication.

I understand that at least one person involved in Elm House currently has a super inj_nction preventing the media discussing his alledged involvement. "
in that case you have just breached the super inj_nction

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

news paper headline seen in tesco

" cliff probed for a year " oooherrr !

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Must admit I have had my suspicions raised.

After all S Yorkshire police have form when it comes to things like this, and I wonder exactly why they are causing another media trial? Could it be to push some nasty little detail from the Hillsborough inquests out of the news?

Funny that none of the ever so insightful foumites have mentioned the S Yorks police record for using the press to cover up their criminality.

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over a year ago

I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

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over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen."

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

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over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

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over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

"

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

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over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

"

He wouldn't need citizenship to benefit from taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z"

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year."

i know - and he's had a place in Portugal with a large vineyard where he spends much of the year - been there for a very long time! Can't understand why he'd chose to become a citizen of a country other than the UK - strikes me as odd but as i said it's entirely up to him Z

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over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year."

So he's taken citizenship in a country where he spends only a 3rd of the year and that doesn't strike you as odd?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year."

I do hope he sends you a lovely postcard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

I do hope he sends you a lovely postcard"

Ooh not jealous are we.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

I do hope he sends you a lovely postcard

Ooh not jealous are we. "

Not say all, you do seem the the type that would write to him, if he was guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

I do hope he sends you a lovely postcard

Ooh not jealous are we.

Not say all, you do seem the the type that would write to him, if he was guilty"

ha ha do you think so.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Quite strange that they are also looking into lord tonypandy who was also at a Billy graham gig.

What is it with these christians??

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-07-19/police-investigation-into-lord-tonypandy-abuse-claim/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Quite strange that they are also looking into lord tonypandy who was also at a Billy graham gig.

What is it with these christians??

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-07-19/police-investigation-into-lord-tonypandy-abuse-claim/"

you don't like Christians do you.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"Quite strange that they are also looking into lord tonypandy who was also at a Billy graham gig.

What is it with these christians??

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2014-07-19/police-investigation-into-lord-tonypandy-abuse-claim/

you don't like Christians do you. "

some are good - some are bad - some catholics are good - some are bad - some jews are good -some are bad - this is life - good and bad in all walks of life Z

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol"

But his actions do seem to be those of a person trying to hide something - tax reasons? don't think so but that in itself isn't good - why evade paying tax in his country? not very christian. Z

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

I think it's wrong for these cases to receive so much publicity , let the courts do their job , then we can all cast judgement after the verdict !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

I do hope he sends you a lovely postcard

Ooh not jealous are we.

Not say all, you do seem the the type that would write to him, if he was guilty"

You're a little ray of sunshine aren't you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol"

Resident for years, And for tax evasion that potentially makes sense. So why has he recently become a citizen?

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over a year ago


"I think it's wrong for these cases to receive so much publicity , let the courts do their job , then we can all cast judgement after the verdict !"

But the scurrilous gossip is such fun

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I find it wonderful to watch police inspirer media led witch-hunts.

The baying mob refusing to even comment on any question of possible police corruption and criminality. After all it does not matter that time and time again the police are shown to pervert justice in order to divert attention from their own criminal incompetence and downright criminality. All they need to do is offer up another sacrifice to the mob and it will ignore their proven past history of the same conduct and rip the sacrifice apart. After all if in 25/3o years time their lies and criminality are _ncovered all they need to do is step forward and say not us to worry they have changed, and so the lazy dance

goes on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love a conspiracy theory

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I love a conspiracy theory"

I prefer fuddle theory.. "Sorry I don't know how my knob ended up in there. It was an honest mistake. I'm just really bad at leading choir practice"

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow


"I have no judgement to make, but I do find it really odd that he is no longer a British citizen.

Yup. Interesting that the nationality he chose has no extradition treaty with the UK.

The list of countries that don't have an extradition treaty is very long and has a number of surprising countries on it such as Australia and Jersey. But as Barbados is part of the commonwealth I should imagine it's not the best place to escape justice.

I wouldn't read anything into this it just maybe the fact he likes the island and the tax is better there than here

Seems odd but obviously up to him - thought he had closer ties to Portugal though with him having that large vineyard etc - can't really see the point in changing citizenship at his age Z

Hes got a mansion in Barbados he stays there for 4 months a year.

So he's taken citizenship in a country where he spends only a 3rd of the year and that doesn't strike you as odd?"

Let's also take into consideration,

the dodgy hair cuts,the lisp,the limp,his seemingly endless releasing of mundane piss,

and his devil woman dance.

Fingers crossed,he gets a job in the kitchen.

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over a year ago


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol

But his actions do seem to be those of a person trying to hide something - tax reasons? don't think so but that in itself isn't good - why evade paying tax in his country? not very christian. Z"

If he wants to evade paying tax in this country that's up to him, lots of others do it nobodys perfect even Christians.Anyway it hardly matters that much considering the amount of money he has given to charity over the years.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol

But his actions do seem to be those of a person trying to hide something - tax reasons? don't think so but that in itself isn't good - why evade paying tax in his country? not very christian. Z

If he wants to evade paying tax in this country that's up to him, lots of others do it nobodys perfect even Christians.Anyway it hardly matters that much considering the amount of money he has given to charity over the years."

Some people had the same excuse for jimmy savile and his charitable status.

seems to me a front for some henious sick crimes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol

But his actions do seem to be those of a person trying to hide something - tax reasons? don't think so but that in itself isn't good - why evade paying tax in his country? not very christian. Z

If he wants to evade paying tax in this country that's up to him, lots of others do it nobodys perfect even Christians.Anyway it hardly matters that much considering the amount of money he has given to charity over the years.

Some people had the same excuse for jimmy savile and his charitable status.

seems to me a front for some henious sick crimes.

"

So do you think that about everyone who gives lots of money to charity?

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"He is a resident of Barbados to save tax, he said that years ago due to the little time he spends in the uk and considering he said he was well aware of rumors on the internet etc it would be a not the most clever thing to do spending the last 18 months on a world tour including the uk so if he was trying to hide then that would hardly be the actions of someone that is hiding lol

But his actions do seem to be those of a person trying to hide something - tax reasons? don't think so but that in itself isn't good - why evade paying tax in his country? not very christian. Z

If he wants to evade paying tax in this country that's up to him, lots of others do it nobodys perfect even Christians.Anyway it hardly matters that much considering the amount of money he has given to charity over the years.

Some people had the same excuse for jimmy savile and his charitable status.

seems to me a front for some henious sick crimes.

So do you think that about everyone who gives lots of money to charity?"

I don't - i think everyone who gives large amounts of money to charity are totally pure and above committing any kind of crime - it's only the cynics who say it's to ease their consciences, create a caring persona or for tax purposes! pffttt!! Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If he is found guilty who's music will you miss most, his or G Glitter's?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes the lyrics to "living doll" quite terrifying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids.

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over a year ago


"Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids. "

Yes. And those who like to look down on others...

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over a year ago


"Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids. "

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids.

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felt that was aimed at you

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over a year ago


"Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids.

felt that was aimed at you "

well just because we read them doesn't mean we believe everything they say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get all my info from Fox News.

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By *estipMan
over a year ago

cheetham hill

Brucie next ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Brucie next ???? "

I believe it's poor etiquette to assassinate more than one character at a time

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over a year ago


"Nothing like a thread like this to see who really reads the redtop tabloids. "

A quick search shows that the only news source who haven't published anything regarding Cliff is Watch Tower

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over a year ago


"Brucie next ???? "
cuddly toy?

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Guess we now know why S Yorks Police started a witch-hunt against Cliff. I expect we will be seeing more 'revelations' to be 'leaked' to the media in order to deflect attention away from even more S Yorks police corruption.

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"Guess we now know why S Yorks Police started a witch-hunt against Cliff. I expect we will be seeing more 'revelations' to be 'leaked' to the media in order to deflect attention away from even more S Yorks police corruption."

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"Guess we now know why S Yorks Police started a witch-hunt against Cliff. I expect we will be seeing more 'revelations' to be 'leaked' to the media in order to deflect attention away from even more S Yorks police corruption."

It does seem strange that they can mobilise a whole task force with the whole of the British media in tow over one allegation from twenty years ago, but they did nothing for twenty years when multiple allegations were made.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, Sir Cliff move to Rotherham should be safe there.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"Yes, Sir Cliff move to Rotherham should be safe there."

Imagine if Cliff Richard converted to Islam. The charges would be dropped quicker than you could say Inshallah.

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"Yes, Sir Cliff move to Rotherham should be safe there.

Imagine if Cliff Richard converted to Islam. The charges would be dropped quicker than you could say Inshallah."

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