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By *aisy2012 OP Couple
over a year ago

everywhere

A convicted rapist is soon to be released from jail - should he go back to playing professional football? Can a person who's served the sentence imposed by the courts be denied the opportunity to earn a living or should the signal it sends about sexual violence to women dictate what he can do & what he can't ?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

He's served his time so let him get on with his life.

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By *eesidechrisMan
over a year ago

stockton

I agree once served his time then let him go play his football and provide for his family

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

He has been punished.

May he rebuild his life and contribute back to society and charities that support victims.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Hmm, difficult. When its sexual violence against children then perpetrators are assumed to not be able to change. Its tempting to say the same about men who are sexually violent in other ways, but I don't know the circumstances.

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Sentence served now so of course he is entitled to earn a living. However risk assessments and probation input should also be done and an 'eye' kept on him.

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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

Whilst rape is an emotive crime, it is still a crime he has served his sentence for therefore he should be able to go back to whatever job he used to do. One hopes every offender would be able to get on with their life, but experience of working in a jail means I am aware many criminals reoffend pretty quickly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Was reading about this and agree with his girlfriend's comment that had it been any other job, nobody would have known anything about it......not sure it is fair to penalise him just because his job is in the public eye. If his employers are happy for him to go back then he is no different to any other person who has served a sentence.

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By *octor DeleriumMan
over a year ago

Wellingborough

"He's served his time so let him get on with his life. "

I guess that he's going to be on the SOR; hopefully his incarceration will have given him time to think about the crime for which he was found guilty and will, hopefully, modify his behaviour in the future.

Likewise, as he is 'high profile' (personally, I have no idea who he is, other than a footballer, as this has just been on the news) females may, sensibly, treat a relationship with him with a higher degree of caution than someone without such a conviction.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Was reading about this and agree with his girlfriend's comment that had it been any other job, nobody would have known anything about it......not sure it is fair to penalise him just because his job is in the public eye. If his employers are happy for him to go back then he is no different to any other person who has served a sentence.

There are not many jobs that would be 'ok' with this sort of thing, especially as most insist on a criminal records check.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has done his time i suppose... However if it was my daughter he had raped, he would be having a terrible accident involving a man hole and a chainsaw on the way home from jail...

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"He has done his time i suppose... However if it was my daughter he had raped, he would be having a terrible accident involving a man hole and a chainsaw on the way home from jail... "

and then you would be in jail and not a great support to your family

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"A convicted rapist is soon to be released from jail - should he go back to playing professional football? Can a person who's served the sentence imposed by the courts be denied the opportunity to earn a living or should the signal it sends about sexual violence to women dictate what he can do & what he can't ?

it is going to be interesting to see if ched evans does get picked up... there are footballers that have been convicted of dangerous driving after killing people behind the wheel that have come back.... so from that aspect is this worse than that! (don't answer! that is rhetorical)

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

A DBS would mean that many jobs would be barred to him.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the petition that ahs been raised asking for him to be denied his job when his sentence has been served. While understanding that rape is a very emotive crime and that feelings will run high I'm not sure that the people signing the petition have the access to all the information to enable them to make an informed decision and I'm not sure that they should be allowed to influence decision making when it comes to a time served prisoner.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

There are not many jobs that would be 'ok' with this sort of thing, especially as most insist on a criminal records check."

Yeah, football is weird in that clubs are so desperate to succeed that they'll take players regardless of their morality.

Not saying a criminal shouldn't be able to work again, but it's tricky when you know they're going to walk back into a well paid job straight away. What are the chances he's learned his lesson?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree once served his time then let him go play his football and provide for his family"

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Some crimes seem to be forgiven by the general public and media more than others. Same with some criminals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's face it, every team he plays against the fans are going to make it hell for him.

There's also the fact teams will be reluctant to court the negative publicity that signing him will inevitably attract.

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By *abrina59TV/TS
over a year ago

moved to cuckold land

There are not many jobs that would be 'ok' with this sort of thing, especially as most insist on a criminal records check."

I agree It seems celebrity style criminals can walk straight back to there previous profession as if nothing had happened whereas lesser known offenders have difficulty finding any employment

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Having worked with sex offenders, I must admit that I find that the victim gets far less support than the perpetrator. That is what really maddens me.

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

He should be allowed to return to football but i think Sheffield United should not resign him as it would send out wrong message

Plymouth Argyle resigned a d*unk driver who killed two small children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's served his time so let him get on with his life. "

You can't keep punishing and punishing. If someone has done his or her time they should be monitored but in general be allowed to rebuild their lives. On a foot note though I wouldn't let people out who haven't repented.

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By *aisy2012 OP Couple
over a year ago

everywhere

And yet, given what appears to be a general attitude on here that " he's served his time " a petition with reportedly 60000+ signatures has been launched.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"And yet, given what appears to be a general attitude on here that " he's served his time " a petition with reportedly 60000+ signatures has been launched. "

Fab is not always in line with general opinion

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By *aisy2012 OP Couple
over a year ago

everywhere

A petition to prevent him playing that is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

hes a footballer would be different if he was a teacher or doctor.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It's not the sentence that affects people, it's the aftermath of having to disclose offences years after they have happened...while he committed a serious crime I do believe he should be allowed to be integrated into society that is part of rehabilitation....if a club are willing to employ him then he should be able to continue to play football, I'm not sure how I would feel as the victim though turning on the TV or radio and seeing the bloke that raped you on there on a daily basis

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"And yet, given what appears to be a general attitude on here that " he's served his time " a petition with reportedly 60000+ signatures has been launched. "

But I wonder if all of those signing know the full facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So is a sentence never served if it means you can't go back to a normal life afterwards? I find that a bit tough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course he should be allowed to continue in his former employment. According to the BBC a spokesman for the Supporters Group has stated that the club, SUFC, have confirmed he will be.

I'm more disturbed myself by the petition. Is everyone of the 60,000 signatories so perferct they never, ever, commit any kind of offence whether prosecuted or not? I very much doubt that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And yet, given what appears to be a general attitude on here that " he's served his time " a petition with reportedly 60000+ signatures has been launched.

But I wonder if all of those signing know the full facts."

It's rumoured that 300+ are Sheffield Wednesday supporters, so probably not.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So is a sentence never served if it means you can't go back to a normal life afterwards? I find that a bit tough"

It's a tough one all round. The victim of these sorts of crimes often has to live with the effects of the crime for life while the offender seems to be able to resume their life. I don't know what the answer is to be honest.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

But I wonder if all of those signing know the full facts."

probably not... but i think the thing that makes it a bit more touchy is with the examples with teachers and doctors.... after this they wouldn't walking back into the same job.. let along the same job at the same school/practice

and that is what sheffield united may do....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What i could never understand from what was reported and/or established at Court, is how the other footballer who admittedly did the same thing as CE, was found not guilty.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"He's served his time so let him get on with his life. "

I kinda think this too.

However, when someone is in a job that has an expectation to set an example or be a role model... is it cool that he picks up where he left off? What kind of example does that set?

Thinking out loud more than anything else. I do generally believe that if you've served your time that should be an end to it but is that ever really the case? Probably not for the victim.

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By *ighland_RoseCouple
over a year ago

Brigadoon

Interesting how everyone agrees he's served his time, let him get on with his life. I wonder what the opinions would be in another case where the details weren't known and people were asked "should this rapist be allowed to go back to normal life now he's served his time?" Then added detail of "the victim was 5 years old". People abhor sex offenders that harm children because it is a life destroyed and yet women are supposed to be able to just get over it and move on just because their attacker has served a brief time in jail.

To me sex crimes are all the same because the rapists don't think like other people. Normal people don't think it's ok to take sex where they want it, or use sex as violence. A bit of time in jail doesn't cure that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone has done their sentence then time paid. Ok some jobs would not be advisable but you cannot persecute someone for the rest of their life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting how everyone agrees he's served his time, let him get on with his life. I wonder what the opinions would be in another case where the details weren't known and people were asked "should this rapist be allowed to go back to normal life now he's served his time?" Then added detail of "the victim was 5 years old". People abhor sex offenders that harm children because it is a life destroyed and yet women are supposed to be able to just get over it and move on just because their attacker has served a brief time in jail.

I take it you are not familiar with the facts of this particular case?

To the extent that verifiable facts were known/established, the Judge sentenced accordungly. End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was is in a position of privilege able to earn vast sums of money. Yet can be convicted of rape serve his time and resume his career elsewhere.

I can go out get into fight be convicted of assault and have to find a new career.

It just does not seem right to me.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"He was is in a position of privilege able to earn vast sums of money. Yet can be convicted of rape serve his time and resume his career elsewhere.

I can go out get into fight be convicted of assault and have to find a new career.

It just does not seem right to me."

I think there is something badly wrong when victims are supported less than criminals and most of us can see an inequality there. Is the answer that rehabilitation should be possible for both the victim and the criminal?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Done his time so what's the problem...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Done his time so what's the problem..."

He's a rapist it's not that simple

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Done his time so what's the problem...

He's a rapist it's not that simple

Yes it is... He as served his time for it.. Done n dusted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's the saying? A leopard never changes it's spots?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Done his time so what's the problem...

He's a rapist it's not that simple

Yes it is... He as served his time for it.. Done n dusted"

Would you feel the same way if you knew his victim?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe, if the police had put more effort into crime prevention and upholding the current laws? Maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How can you compare raping a child to raping a woman

rape and sexual assault is all bad but some are worst than others and I don't know all the details of this case.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Sex case, sex case, hang him, hang him, hang him.

Mind you it could have been worse, he could have told a crappy joke about the Williams sisters

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Done his time so what's the problem...

He's a rapist it's not that simple

Yes it is... He as served his time for it.. Done n dusted"
UNREAL, unless you lot are looking to sign, your clubs already full of crooks and wasters

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Sex case, sex case, hang him, hang him, hang him.

Mind you it could have been worse, he could have told a crappy joke about the Williams sisters

Oi behave or I'll put you over my knee!!!!

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By *uttyjonnMan
over a year ago

SEA

I wouldn't pay to watch him - my personal choice

If he was in other areas of entertainment - I wouldn't buy his music and I bet he wouldn't get his part back in a soap opera or game show host where he is in the public eye

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Sex case, sex case, hang him, hang him, hang him.

Mind you it could have been worse, he could have told a crappy joke about the Williams sisters

Oi behave or I'll put you over my knee!!!!

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You said you were going to do that anyway

Sorry Miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its easy to say he's done his time let him get on with his life when its someone else he's raped

i wonder if his victim is getting on with her life so easily

its a tough one and one which my answer would be totally different if asked about a stranger or had it been one of my girls he had raped

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

Maybe he should become a full time swinger. Im sure there are many on here that would like his style.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch. "

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

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The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

Schoolboy tactical error. Yer wide open for a full on attack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has done his time. I'm sure he has regretted this incident all the time he has spent in prison and his family have suffered enough too. I don't have all the facts about the case but there have been quiet a few cases where footballers have been falsely accused. Footballers are magnets for gold diggers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has done his time. I'm sure he has regretted this incident all the time he has spent in prison and his family have suffered enough too. I don't have all the facts about the case but there have been quiet a few cases where footballers have been falsely accused. Footballers are magnets for gold diggers. "

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

A former player for the team I support was convicted and served time for killing someone when driving d*unk.

He did his time and then went back to the only job he'd ever done.....went back to earning a living and supporting his family in the only way he knew how.

This player is no different..... Hopefully he's learned his lesson and will not suffer the vile, abuse from the terraces and other players that my team's former player had to endure.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Why do people keep calling him a 'rapist'

He was found guilty of rape.

He was with a d*unken woman. She said she can't remember giving consent. He was found guilty.

Whether he was or whether he wasn't I dont know .....

What seems to be clear is that he didn't lie in wait and kidnap or viciously attack someone.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged.

I'm saying he's not a rapist.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Why do people keep calling him a 'rapist'

He was found guilty of rape.

He was with a d*unken woman. She said she can't remember giving consent. He was found guilty.

Whether he was or whether he wasn't I dont know .....

What seems to be clear is that he didn't lie in wait and kidnap or viciously attack someone.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged.

I'm saying he's not a rapist. "

so what would you say he is?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Oh back to original Q ......

Yes he should be allowed to play football. He's served his sentence. If people are not happy with the sentences this country deals out for rape they should have been involved years ago and got the sentences lengthened.

What earthly use are all the pious gits with afterthought who never lobby for anything but want to point the tutty finger because they think it makes them look pure.

If anyone really cared about rape you'd be pro active about it. Not an armchair sodding judge.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Oh back to original Q ......

What earthly use are all the pious gits with afterthought who never lobby for anything but want to point the tutty finger because they think it makes them look pure.

If anyone really cared about rape you'd be pro active about it. Not an armchair sodding judge. "

That's what makes me dubious about the petition.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Why do people keep calling him a 'rapist'

He was found guilty of rape.

He was with a d*unken woman. She said she can't remember giving consent. He was found guilty.

Whether he was or whether he wasn't I dont know .....

What seems to be clear is that he didn't lie in wait and kidnap or viciously attack someone.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be charged.

I'm saying he's not a rapist.

so what would you say he is?"

A footballer who , at twenty three years of age , got involved in sexual activities without any thought for the consequences. If the court says it is tantamount to rape then that is what it was.

I once wired a plug but im not an electrician.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Oh back to original Q ......

What earthly use are all the pious gits with afterthought who never lobby for anything but want to point the tutty finger because they think it makes them look pure.

If anyone really cared about rape you'd be pro active about it. Not an armchair sodding judge.

That's what makes me dubious about the petition. "

and me. WHO is going to stand in the street and NOT sign. They'd have people baying that they supported rape. Many would just sign at the mention of the word without any due thought to anything about the case or the consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To follow on from Granny's posts, i'll repeat what i find mystifying, and that is if the woman was so blotto that she couldn't remember, how come the additional footballer undertaking the same activities, at the same time, was found not guilty?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I cant' fathom that either.

Is it cos he had first dibs?

Is it cos she says she knew she was with him when she went back to the hotel ?

Is it cos she was out cold when the second bloke turned up ?

What about the two looking through the window ? Aren't they guilty by association ?

I cant work out why this bloke is carrying all the can.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying. "

because if he is going to use that specific line of reasoning, I was interested to know what other circumstances the same defence was going to be allowed......

but heck.... not allowed right... know your rules...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying.

because if he is going to use that specific line of reasoning, I was interested to know what other circumstances the same defence was going to be allowed......

but heck.... not allowed right... know your rules...

I understood your point Fabio. It was a good comparison.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Perhaps its cos there was no light on in the room? What do i know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying.

because if he is going to use that specific line of reasoning, I was interested to know what other circumstances the same defence was going to be allowed......

but heck.... not allowed right... know your rules...

or be consistent.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Perhaps its cos there was no light on in the room? What do i know?

Not a lot dear Watson. Not a lot.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Oh back to original Q ......

What earthly use are all the pious gits with afterthought who never lobby for anything but want to point the tutty finger because they think it makes them look pure.

If anyone really cared about rape you'd be pro active about it. Not an armchair sodding judge. "

again... I know of no other profession where you would go at the same job, in the same place...

a teacher wouldn't go back to being a teacher, and not at the same school....

a doctor wouldn't go back to being a doctor, and not in the same practice..

the petition is for sheffield united not to sign him... not any other club...

and that fact he could potentially go back into football and earn more money straight away then when he went it really doesn't sit well with me and probably doesn't with a lot of people

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over a year ago

So, the vote currently stands at 60,000 plus against, some 63.9m people either for or not against.

Sheff Utd 1 , Visitors O

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

Let's hope the footballer keeps up his scoring record on the pitch.

wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence....

would that position be the same for a woman in an abusive relationship?

The whole issue was complex but it wasn't an abusive relationship so why you brought that into this thread is mystifying.

because if he is going to use that specific line of reasoning, I was interested to know what other circumstances the same defence was going to be allowed......

but heck.... not allowed right... know your rules...

or be consistent. "

so again I ask the question you decided not to answer.... since you mentioned "consistent"

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

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over a year ago

"Oh back to original Q ......

What earthly use are all the pious gits with afterthought who never lobby for anything but want to point the tutty finger because they think it makes them look pure.

If anyone really cared about rape you'd be pro active about it. Not an armchair sodding judge.

That's what makes me dubious about the petition.

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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Remove her from where ?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?"

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

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over a year ago

"Remove her from where ?"

Thats irrelevant just avoidance in answering.

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

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over a year ago

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship....."

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Remove her from where ?

Thats irrelevant just avoidance in answering. "

Uh, not really. I'm wondering the same thing. Where would you want her removed from? How can anyone know if they'd sign a petition without knowing what they're petitioning for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Whats the fact that he is a footballer got to do with anything?

Would you have the same stance if he was a plumber?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"Remove her from where ?

Thats irrelevant just avoidance in answering. "

It isn't irrelevant. A clear and concise question is need before any answer can be given.

Removed from where ?

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

See my latest post.

"not put words in my mouth!

Hypocritical much? Nah. Consistent.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish."

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position? I certainly wouldn't be.

YOU said this..... that is what prompted my question

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over a year ago

"Remove her from where ?

Thats irrelevant just avoidance in answering.

It isn't irrelevant. A clear and concise question is need before any answer can be given.

Removed from where ?"

If you wish to be pedantic pick your location or you could choose say a swinging club as we are on a swinging site.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s).

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more. "

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting. "

Not me.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..." is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

*Cough*

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position?"

Your words Canis, not Fabios

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a life!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Remove her from where ?

Thats irrelevant just avoidance in answering.

It isn't irrelevant. A clear and concise question is need before any answer can be given.

Removed from where ?

If you wish to be pedantic pick your location or you could choose say a swinging club as we are on a swinging site."

It's not pedantic to ask you to clarify WTF you are on about when you've not been clear.

If you can't be clear, don't blame others for failing to understand.

I'm not aware of anyone here who is actually a mind reader.

Carry on being narky about your own failings though because it makes debating with you so much more attractive as a proposition.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Get a life!"

Who ?

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me. "

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding.

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over a year ago

I don't really know the facts of this case, but if a person was charged and found guilty of rape, they are a rapist and will always be a rapist. The girl will never be unraped, she will always have been raped. If I was a prospective employer, I wouldn't touch a rapist with someone else's barge-pole, let alone mine.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me.

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding. "

Are you d*unk ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?"

I think if you want people to answer your question you will need to clarify what you meant because at the moment it is as clear as mud.

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over a year ago

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s)."

No i didn't.

Fabio quotes what i DID say.

I wondered whether parents would still be proud of their own daughter in that position. I also stated that i wouldn't be. I still wouldn't be.

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me.

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding.

Are you d*unk ?"

No but highly amused at the extent you are going to avoid but that isn't anything new.

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over a year ago

"for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..." is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

*Cough*

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position?

Your words Canis, not Fabios"

Quote it all you wish, but where does it say "I blame the (fact that a Court decided rape took place) on the woman?"

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over a year ago

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me.

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding.

Are you d*unk ?

No but highly amused at the extent you are going to avoid but that isn't anything new. "

You won't get a reply no matter how clear you are

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Done his time so what's the problem...

He's a rapist it's not that simple

Yes it is... He as served his time for it.. Done n dusted

Would you feel the same way if you knew his victim?"

So your saying if you are convicted of ANY crime your life ends even after you have been punished....?

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over a year ago

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s).

No i didn't.

Fabio quotes what i DID say.

I wondered whether parents would still be proud of their own daughter in that position. I also stated that i wouldn't be. I still wouldn't be.

but surely the point is (aside from you bickering!) that whether or not she was shitfaced and was in a room full of men.....it does not mean she is "asking" to be raped?? None of us know the facts but we have to trust that the trial looked at everything, including the other people's statements of events and, although she cannot remember consent with him, something must have lead to a guilty verdict in his case.

This, as someone has already said, is a matter for our judicial system.....and if "we" don't like it then we should do something about it!

Yes, the victim in this case is in a worse position as she may be more likely to see him on tv etc, but there are many women who have been raped who live, no doubt, in the vicinity of their rapists and may inadvertently encounter them somewhere.....but we never hear about these women!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me.

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding.

Are you d*unk ?

No but highly amused at the extent you are going to avoid but that isn't anything new. "

I'd appreciate it if you speak to me that you drop the jibes.

To answer the question you have posited.....

If a woman was d*unk and sexually abusive in a swingers club I would NOT raise a petition to have her removed. I'd just throw her out. (Assuming I run the club )

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s).

No i didn't.

Fabio quotes what i DID say.

I wondered whether parents would still be proud of their own daughter in that position. I also stated that i wouldn't be. I still wouldn't be.

And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies.

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over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..." is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

*Cough*

I wonder if parents would (still) be immensely proud of their daughter if it were her that put herself in that position?

Your words Canis, not Fabios

Quote it all you wish, but where does it say "I blame the (fact that a Court decided rape took place) on the woman?""

Saying she put herself in that position is blaming her!

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over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Well to apply Fabio's logic would you say if a woman has been guilty of sexual abuse even if say inebriated should there be a petition up to remove her then?

if you are going to quote me... action quote me using MY WORDS!! not put words in my mouth!

Logic not words there is a difference and cut the capitals its rather childish.

The use of capitals on here denotes emphasis and nothing more.

Strange as on more than one occasion in the past you have pulled people and indicated its equivalent of shouting.

Not me.

Yes you, but now I have given you a location how about answering the question you are avoiding.

Are you d*unk ?

No but highly amused at the extent you are going to avoid but that isn't anything new.

I'd appreciate it if you speak to me that you drop the jibes.

To answer the question you have posited.....

If a woman was d*unk and sexually abusive in a swingers club I would NOT raise a petition to have her removed. I'd just throw her out. (Assuming I run the club )

Have you turned him down at some point Granny? He seems to have quite a thing for you.

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And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies."

But surely you have to be responsible for what you do? Was she dragged there? were the men d*unk also? Why was only one charged with rape when two had sex with her? It all seems an odd case.

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over a year ago

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s).

No i didn't.

Fabio quotes what i DID say.

I wondered whether parents would still be proud of their own daughter in that position. I also stated that i wouldn't be. I still wouldn't be.

And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies."

I think its more to do with the specific case there was some suggestion at the time that it was consensual as they had been on the lash all night but the courts decision was otherwise which is probably right. (not seeing all the facts myself) it just goes to say d*unken sex is fraught with issues.

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And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies.

But surely you have to be responsible for what you do? Was she dragged there? were the men d*unk also? Why was only one charged with rape when two had sex with her? It all seems an odd case."

Before anyone twists anything I have written or doesn't read what I have written...I am not saying I condone rape, just that this case seems odd.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

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"And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies.

But surely you have to be responsible for what you do? Was she dragged there? were the men d*unk also? Why was only one charged with rape when two had sex with her? It all seems an odd case."

I can't speak specifically about this case because I don't know all the facts. I don't know why only one man seems to be bearing the blame.

However, nobody is ever asking to be raped. Maybe they make poor decisions regarding their own safety but rape is the action of the rapist. There's no excuse.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

for example, would that line of defence in your words... no one elses..... apply if it had been a person in an abusive relationship.....

No one else? "In your words".

Unless i'm mistaken, the only person who posted :

"wow... the "well she put herself in that position" defence..."

is you yourself, Fabio. I did not.

Let me know if you find otherwise.

You are the one that sought to place the blame on the victim by stating she'd put herself in that position.

That isn't a defence for rape, or sexual assault (if that's what happened here, and our judicial system seems to say it was). The blame for that is firmly and entirely with the perpetrator(s).

No i didn't.

Fabio quotes what i DID say.

I wondered whether parents would still be proud of their own daughter in that position. I also stated that i wouldn't be. I still wouldn't be.

And you don't recognise that as blaming the victim? "Putting herself in that situation" is a clear suggestion of where the blame for what happened lies.

It does seem that it's not a straightforward case in this instance.

I'm never comfortable with the suggestion that any rape victim "put themself in that position" or was "asking for it". Nobody asks for that.

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over a year ago

Whenever i'm on a jury, i find it pays to stick to the facts of the particular case in hand, as such are known or can be established and not bring other irrelevant matters , baggage or agenda to the case.

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