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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Should he still be protected. I think not why he has been recalled is for downloading and distributing child pornography disgusting so why on earth should he still be protected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They go on about tax cuts! Well cut the cost of protecting him i say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cut his fecking throat, and save us all the expense of keeping him safe.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

not wishing to belittle this subject but i honetly thought this was about the football guy.

in answer to your question - yes. what he did was wrong beyong words but if he is not protected all that will happen is people will take things into their own hands and he then becomes the victim

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"not wishing to belittle this subject but i honetly thought this was about the football guy.

in answer to your question - yes. what he did was wrong beyong words but if he is not protected all that will happen is people will take things into their own hands and he then becomes the victim"

Lock him up for life as its cheaper inside. That or reintroduce the noose.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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He's in prison. He'll have been on the paedophile wing anyway due to his identity issues.

*IF* he is guilty of these new charges, then he will no longer be getting special treatment - he will be getting treated the same as other paedophiles.

So, er....that's all right then???

Obviously not, but it's a complex issue that is going to result in a lot of absolutely correct but entirely opposing views on a thread like this. At the end of which nobody's mind will have been changed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

string the little sh*t up by his balls

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hes not a victim jamie and all the others they are victims yes you can argue at 10 or 11 yes they needed protection because they were children themselves but he is an adult now and any action of breaking the law should sever that protection.

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By *ig badMan
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Its sad that the media feel its their duty to find him thus costing us tax payers thousands to protect his identity. In reality there is no ideal answer to dealing with this man

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

ermmmm a bullet costs about 10p so i am quite happy to pay to get rid of the shit

BTW it costs a fortune to keep someone in prison so why should i have to pay for scum like this

Steve

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Technically, as he's now committed an offence as an adult he should no longer be afforded protection, but due to the fact of who he is he will still be sought out for his crimes against Jamie Bulger and not his kiddie porn offences of now.

He knew that downloading porn was in breach of his parole yet still did it anyway. He should have his protected status taken away and be allowed to sink or swim with the rest of the paedo prison community.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

evil throughout

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would give him vlad the impaler punishment

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Hes not a victim jamie and all the others they are victims yes you can argue at 10 or 11 yes they needed protection because they were children themselves but he is an adult now and any action of breaking the law should sever that protection."

i didnt say he was a victim i said that if his protection was removed he would become a victim due to the vigilanties that would seek retrobution on Jamies behalf

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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"He should have his protected status taken away and be allowed to sink or swim with the rest of the paedo prison community."

He was in that section anyway, due to his identity. So you have what you want. The media knowing his new name is unnecessary - he's behind bars and unlikely to get out for a (relatively) disproportionate amount of time, so poses no threat to anyone.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"He should have his protected status taken away and be allowed to sink or swim with the rest of the paedo prison community.

there is no (relatively)disproportionate amount of time for,john venables.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he should of been still in prison for what he did,now he should go back for 10yrs and be castrated.and the protection should be removed.

let other prisoners know who he is,then we will see how long he lasts!

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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"there is no (relatively)disproportionate amount of time for,john venables."

Yes there is. Other child murderers exist. He's about to serve possibly the longest prison sentence in British penal history. Other child murderers will get less.

I'm not commenting on whether it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's inconsistent.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"there is no (relatively)disproportionate amount of time for,john venables.

Yes there is. Other child murderers exist. He's about to serve possibly the longest prison sentence in British penal history. Other child murderers will get less.

I'm not commenting on whether it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's inconsistent."

people who kill children,in this fashion.should never be freed.there are cases,where people have been given longer sentences,and did not commit murder.of any sort.

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

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"not wishing to belittle this subject but i honetly thought this was about the football guy.

in answer to your question - yes. what he did was wrong beyong words but if he is not protected all that will happen is people will take things into their own hands and he then becomes the victim"
He is protected because he was a child wen he killed that poor child, he is a adult now so that protectin shud be lifted, How many murders get offerd the same protection he has got? It was understandable wen he was a child, and if he had gone the rest of his life totally rehabilitated then by all means let him remain protected, but he hasnt, he is a dangerous MAN now,IF convicted it should be made public who he is just like every other adult who convicted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree with SDM when he stated that this is a "complex issue that is going to result in a lot of absolutely correct but entirely opposing views"...

British prison sentences, and punishments in general are far from even. The sense that life should mean life and not 7 years. 2 people can committ the same crime and have a 5 year difference in their sentences, 2 people can pick a pocket and one will get a £60 fine, the other a 2 year community order.

What John Venables has done is not right and he should certainly be punished, but regrettably the precedent for 'flexible' punishments has already been set - he's got a far inferior punishment to that many people would wish to see, but we have to be grateful he hasnt 'got away with it', as is the case so many times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's not worth a mention in any shape or form,not even on ere!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"there is no (relatively)disproportionate amount of time for,john venables.

Yes there is. Other child murderers exist. He's about to serve possibly the longest prison sentence in British penal history. Other child murderers will get less.

I'm not commenting on whether it's right or wrong, I'm saying it's inconsistent.

people who kill children,in this fashion.should never be freed.there are cases,where people have been given longer sentences,and did not commit murder.of any sort."

I agree with both comments, it is inconsistent...but there will never, in my mind, be a term long enough for a child abuser/murderer. crimes against children are, without a doubt, the most heinous.

that said, in my opinion, vigilante retribution is also not a viable option. the law is there to serve a purpose and in order to uphold those laws they would need to bring charges against anyone that took such action. this would, to society, feel like a further injustice and so the wheel would keep turning.

if it is evident that there is no chance of a criminal of this nature being re-habilitated back into society, then he should be confined indefinitely

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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"there are cases,where people have been given longer sentences,and did not commit murder.of any sort."

I know I'm prejudging it, but my point today is that IF he's found guilty of this new offence, then the previous sentence will apply, which was life. And the circumstances of the original crime mean that he will almost certainly never get out.

Assuming he lives until the average age of 77, he'll have spent approx 55 years of his life behind bars.

My point is that very few people will have served a longer sentence.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"there are cases,where people have been given longer sentences,and did not commit murder.of any sort.

Assuming he lives until the average age of 77, he'll have spent approx 55 years of his life behind bars.

My point is that very few people will have served a longer sentence."

s d m.if he gets ten years,i will be very surprised.the british justice system,is all wind and piss.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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"s d m.if he gets ten years,i will be very surprised.the british justice system,is all wind and piss."

Fair enough - I would take that bet if it wasn't such a long term investment

I agree that our justice system is riddled with flaws, but I actually think a combination of factors have combined to deliver *more* natural justice than is sometimes the case.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"i didnt say he was a victim i said that if his protection was removed he would become a victim due to the vigilanties that would seek retrobution on Jamies behalf"

You are correct in what you say, however he is now 27! Maybe a little vigilantisum is what is required in the country at the moment, as it seems to me that the courts have forgoten that they are there to look after the rights and protect society from criminals not protect vermin from the consiquences of their actions.

Personally I find it disgusting that this particular little shit is still being shielded by the courts and that althoough he has a life sentence and can therefore be locked up for the rest of his life without any reason being given, that he is to get another trial where he will yet again be protected by the courts!

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"that said, in my opinion, vigilante retribution is also not a viable option. the law is there to serve a purpose"

Absolutely! and that purpose is to protect society from itself by giving us a set of hard and fast rules to live by and punishments for those who break the rules, thus removing the need for mob justice.

However when the law becomes so corrupted that the criminal has more rights than the victim. A situation, that in my view, we find ourselves in. Then what alternative is there to mob justice? The sad fact is that legal systems grow out of vigilantism, and when a legal system forgets what it is there for vigilantism must resurface or we descend into anarchy.

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By *exeteraWoman
over a year ago

Bridgend

Long live anarchy, the justice system is long overdue a review. Sentences in my opinion simply do not fit the crime. Venables should complete his original sentence and be tried for his new crimes with each additional sentence to run concurrent. But how the hell can society be protected from this guy, if it all goes tits up, if his defence argues an unfair trial. As it stands his identity is being protected therefore his name wont appear on the sex offenders register.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the 2 lads who murdered jamie bulger should not have been protected in the first place they did the crime and killed that little boy they should be bloody strung up and let the lads family in at them. lisa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Send him down 50 years!! sod it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the average cost of keepin a person in prison for a yr is £40,499 thats in scotland anyway (source prison statistics scotland) now when he was a juvenille it was more add into that the protection etc. why they hell should we pay this?

as for the victim bit if he was got at by vigilantes really who cares?? i dont! those 2 kids never had their human rights considered nor the kids in those pics they havent said what level they were but they were kids and they were being abused and those images shared with other evil wastes of space!

how much rehabilitation can we give before we realise its just not workin!

think about it this way, this scum has been out and about he could have been near a beach or playpark where your child or grnadchild or neice or nephew was? shoot the scum and get is by with he serves no purpose to society! and give his organs to someone that deserves to live cause he sure as shit doesnt!! rant over x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

easy way to be gettin rid of him WOULD be to put him back there even if he has a new identity, even the cons arnt so dumb as to not realise who he is, its all karma anyway, what ever happens to him inside is just life.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

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£40k per year to lock people up?

Sod that, let em all out, sort the deficit out...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"£40k per year to lock people up?

Sod that, let em all out, sort the deficit out..."

yeah thats just an average now add into that ones in specialist prisons pedo wings etc and multiply it by the amount of people in prison, and on shorter sentences its a big amount! x

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

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"the 2 lads who murdered jamie bulger should not have been protected in the first place they did the crime and killed that little boy they should be bloody strung up and let the lads family in at them. lisa.

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I think we all agree that the crime was horrific and so very sad but they we children themselves,naturally as a child you dont really have a full concept of rite and wrong and a full value of human life also in ther case they had a very dysfunctional upbringing to add, if they was adults when the crime was committed then no dont give them new identities,but as they was children themselves the courts had no option,now he is an adult and commiting crimes i dont see wot the debate is?? He has committed a crime that if me or you had been found guilty then we wouldnt be afforded no protection, he should be tried and only after and if he is convicted should his identity be revealed,if he goes threw life like the other kid and never commits another crime he should be left alone as it probably means he has been fully rehabilitated, too many men/women have there identities revealed before they are convicted of any crime,and how can that be fair and just?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

IF THEY CAPOABLE AS A CHILD TO DO WHAT THEY DID and he now looking at child porn,bearing in mind there was a sexualmotive to what they did to james bulger he should b b hung, no child is gonna be safe if he was out and he just pure evil,there are no excuses to what waas done 10 yr ago,child or not they were old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.........shame this not america cause he would b on death row where he deserves to be.............

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

SEND THE TWAT DOWN 4 800 YEARS!! FUCK IT!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WE SECOND HIS AN EVIL TWISTED B*******D

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL/ WIRRAL

"WE SECOND HIS AN EVIL TWISTED B*******D

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If he is CONVICTED then he will just be put back in jail,until the parole board see fit for him to be released, which will prob be never, the other child as gone off and is living his life rehabilitated,kids dont have a value of human life,this is a very sad and delicate subject, IF he was a adult commiting these crimes you wouldnt have and arguement with me, death penalty for all child killers/peados, no exeption!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i do love a bit of anarchy i must say! if we never had change we would still be in the dark ages! the judical system needs an overhaul and in certain cases such as the case of jon venerabels there should be a special provision made of a very harsh sentence x

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL/ WIRRAL

"Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums!"
Of course it is mate, some people on here talk without thinking, its a subject that shouldnt be discussed on here anyways really, i just could help myself with the ignorance of some people

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums! Of course it is mate, some people on here talk without thinking, its a subject that shouldnt be discussed on here anyways really, i just could help myself with the ignorance of some people "

What a wonderful attitude Kinky, effectively what you are saying is that this open forum should not be allowed discus a difficult subject, do you really believe that we should be subjected to such Stalinist repression of free speech?

Did you fail to think about what you are suggesting, or are you ignoring points made because you do not agree with them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what people have to remember is media hype, all you know is what they want you to know, personally i dont beleive anything i read in the papers, they the biggest scare mongers going! i mean how do we even know he had porn on his PC? because The Sun says he did?!! i'm not sticking up for him or anyone else but people get to cought up in the media and half of its grossly exaggerated, i mean don't anyone else think its a bit of a coincidence that the person the likes of the sun news paper has been fighting to keep in prison comes out and next thing you know hes supposed to have child porn on his computer and gets arrested again?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so you would have slung two children out to be beaten to death? how the hell does that make you any better than what they did? you and everyone else hates them for killing a child but you seem to think its ok for them to have been killed as a children

isnt that a bit like saying to your child "stop f**king swearing"

sorry but i do not get that mentality at all, when they killed that little boy they did way beyound what you could describe as wrong, but to do the same to them makes us just as bad, so what happens then, someone kills us in revenge for their death....and so on. you just can not live in a society like that unless you want to revert back 500 years, and i know i dont

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"what people have to remember is media hype, all you know is what they want you to know, personally i dont beleive anything i read in the papers, they the biggest scare mongers going! i mean how do we even know he had porn on his PC? because The Sun says he did?!! i'm not sticking up for him or anyone else but people get to cought up in the media and half of its grossly exaggerated, i mean don't anyone else think its a bit of a coincidence that the person the likes of the sun news paper has been fighting to keep in prison comes out and next thing you know hes supposed to have child porn on his computer and gets arrested again?

To answer you quickly, firstly he has been charged so it is not the media that is saying it it is the Crown Prosecution Service and the police, second it is a judge who has said that we may be told the nature and number of charges he faces and how many images are involved.

Second he is now 27, allowing that he has been held in prison for a few months now he may have been 26 when sent back to prison, he was 19 when released so has been out for between 6 and 8 years, are you seriously suggesting that the Sun has spent over half a decade setting up that little shit?

Finally don't you think that it is a lot more lightly that one of the detectives involved in the investigation or an officer from either the vice squad or serious crime squads

gave the story to his or her contacts in the Media when it realized that Venables was hiding behind his judicial anonymity!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Finally don't you think that it is a lot more lightly that one of the detectives involved in the investigation or an officer from either the vice squad or serious crime squads

gave the story to his or her contacts in the Media when it realized that Venables was hiding behind his judicial anonymity! "

guess that told me lol

maybe i should start reading the papers so i can keep up with things

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL/ WIRRAL

"Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums! Of course it is mate, some people on here talk without thinking, its a subject that shouldnt be discussed on here anyways really, i just could help myself with the ignorance of some people

Did you fail to think about what you are suggesting, or are you ignoring points made because you do not agree with them?"
Far from it, its a subject that raises far too many raw emotions and valid/non-valid points to say who is rite or wrong,therefore far too sensitive to be discussed on here in my opinion,esp wen you have people suggest the 2 boys be strung up and be left to the bulger familie is DISGUSTING,if you or anyone believes thats way the country shud be run then there no better than any other child killer, they were too young to value human life,theve served the time deemed rite by judges/home office/parole board, let them live in anominity IF there law abiding, if not let them lose it like evry other ADULT criminal.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums! Of course it is mate, some people on here talk without thinking, its a subject that shouldnt be discussed on here anyways really, i just could help myself with the ignorance of some people

Did you fail to think about what you are suggesting, or are you ignoring points made because you do not agree with them?

Far from it, its a subject that raises far too many raw emotions and valid/non-valid points to say who is rite or wrong,therefore far too sensitive to be discussed on here in my opinion,esp wen you have people suggest the 2 boys be strung up and be left to the bulger familie is DISGUSTING,if you or anyone believes thats way the country shud be run then there no better than any other child killer, they were too young to value human life,theve served the time deemed rite by judges/home office/parole board, let them live in anominity IF there law abiding, if not let them lose it like evry other ADULT criminal. "

I agree with much of what you have just said, however the idea that we should not discus this subject because of the raw emotions it raises is in my view stupid. The reason I say this is because if these basic animal emotions are not brought into the open and the reasons for them discussed, by the time they do surface they take the form of actions on streets rather than words on computer screens.

At th risk of repeating myself, the rule of law and any body of laws grows out of the need of society to protect its self from the actions of criminals, hysterical mobs and vigilante justice. However when the body becomes so corrupted that laws are made for there own sake and the victim has less rights than the criminal then there is no alternative but to revert to vigilante justice and mob rule.

In my view we are at that tipping point now and I would much rather see a few amoral shits, who believe that they have the right to do as they will and then be protected from the consequences of their actions, be lynched than see our civilization be destroyed and a decent into another dark age.

Just my view, but we as a society are at the same stage as the Roman Empire in the late 3rd century.

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By *INKKKYMan
over a year ago

LIVERPOOL/ WIRRAL

"Vigilantism is a ridiculous suggestion, ignoring the law just descends into anarchy. If you don't like the law either move country or do something about changing it, don't bitch about it in forums! Of course it is mate, some people on here talk without thinking, its a subject that shouldnt be discussed on here anyways really, i just could help myself with the ignorance of some people

Did you fail to think about what you are suggesting, or are you ignoring points made because you do not agree with them?

Just my view, but we as a society are at the same stage as the Roman Empire in the late 3rd century.

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My point is were talking about children being murdered, it isnt in MY opinion a topic to be discussed as in-depth as some people have gone in this forum, and lets not forget these people are talking about KILLING children themselves regardless of wot theve done i cant agree a discussion that involves these type of comments is a valid discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

he pevo do im in

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