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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

hi all..just a quick question about wi fi connection. if i connect to works wi fi can any of the IT Whizz kids see if ive logged in to Fab...i tend to forget to log out as im on my phone all the time

thanks from a not so clued up person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What does wifi stand for??

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A"

Really? Bledi hell! Can they trace if it's secured then?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A

Really? Bledi hell! Can they trace if it's secured then? "

Not if secured as it's encrypted.

Was scary to see! He got her to log into a shopping site she uses - then wrote her user name and password on a post-it note and gave it to her.

The software is widely available on t'internet apparently.

A

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Technically it's very easy for them to see what you are doing on the internet.

However if they haven't made it clear either verbally on in your contract that they do monitor staff internet usage they are breaking the law.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go on YouTube and search for 'The Real Hustle WiFi' and there are a few videos of the different scams possible

Whether you think the show is staged or not is irrelevant.... The videos show the theory, principals and what is possible.

If i connect to my WiFi as an admin, I can see all the sites visited/traffic im sure. Not done it in a while

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

*Any* works connection WILL BE monitored. It really is that simple.

If you are accessing secure (http*s*) sites, then the actual traffic can't be read (unless you are MI5) but the sites you visit will appear in the log.

If you are using a works device (phone/laptop/desktop) then it's probably also got additional monitoring software on it to.

You will have agreed to it's use when you signed the IT usage policy (which may or may not be integral to your employment contract).

I've watched users access porn sites, and had to discipline them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A

Really? Bledi hell! Can they trace if it's secured then?

Not if secured as it's encrypted.

Was scary to see! He got her to log into a shopping site she uses - then wrote her user name and password on a post-it note and gave it to her.

The software is widely available on t'internet apparently.

A"

I've never used public wifi because of security reasons stated on a tv programme.

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead


"hi all..just a quick question about wi fi connection. if i connect to works wi fi can any of the IT Whizz kids see if ive logged in to Fab...i tend to forget to log out as im on my phone all the time

thanks from a not so clued up person"

So long as you do not refresh or visit the page on the mobile, then it should not advertise your love of fabswingers.

If you do access fab since the site does not use HTTPS (encryption) then username and password could be grabbed. Even if logged in it would be possible for someone on the network to grab your credentials.

IMPORTANT: Even if the Wi-Fi link is an encrypted one the IT people will have visibility of the traffic.

The trust placed in people who work in IT is often silent but pretty immense.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

As an IT Professional, I'd say that it depends on many things. Things like what industry you work in, what type of wireless network they have, how may people use the internet, how big the IT department is and how busy they are will all play a part.

Realistically although most Internet traffic CAN be monitored, it is near impossible to look at everything. Most companies will use a Filtering system and look at people who are always getting blocked as a strategy to find those who abuse the broadband.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


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If you do access fab since the site does not use HTTPS (encryption) then username and password could be grabbed. Even if logged in it would be possible for someone on the network to grab your credentials. "

Whilst this is true, it does rely on someone running packet sniffing tools and searching for the data.... It would generally be part of a targeted attack.


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IMPORTANT: Even if the Wi-Fi link is an encrypted one the IT people will have visibility of the traffic.

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In reality, this does depend on the system. If the company's Internet access is filtered in any way then it will have logging to, if the access is totally unfiltered then probably not.

Also, do you log into your wireless with a username and password? If not then all they would know about you is the name of your device

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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If you do access fab since the site does not use HTTPS (encryption) then username and password could be grabbed. Even if logged in it would be possible for someone on the network to grab your credentials.

Whilst this is true, it does rely on someone running packet sniffing tools and searching for the data.... It would generally be part of a targeted attack.

IMPORTANT: Even if the Wi-Fi link is an encrypted one the IT people will have visibility of the traffic.

In reality, this does depend on the system. If the company's Internet access is filtered in any way then it will have logging to, if the access is totally unfiltered then probably not.

Also, do you log into your wireless with a username and password? If not then all they would know about you is the name of your device "

So in a very small office with no IT and we log onto the wifi using a password can it be traced?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


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So in a very small office with no IT and we log onto the wifi using a password can it be traced? "

It is still possible, but if you have no IT staff, then who is going to look.

Also does everyone use the same password. This would be another indicator that there's nothing between you and the Internet. If you have a password each, then the traffic is at least being logged.

I would be tempted to make sure your phone's name doesn't make it obviously you. Then even if the traffic us logged, it's not easy to link it back to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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So in a very small office with no IT and we log onto the wifi using a password can it be traced?

It is still possible, but if you have no IT staff, then who is going to look.

Also does everyone use the same password. This would be another indicator that there's nothing between you and the Internet. If you have a password each, then the traffic is at least being logged.

I would be tempted to make sure your phone's name doesn't make it obviously you. Then even if the traffic us logged, it's not easy to link it back to you."

The wifi was set up by someone who's now left so I assume his predecessor could check but I think he has less idea than me lol We all use the same password but there's less than 10 staff.

Thanks for the info

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A"

Thanks to you and everyobe else whose posted. ive read all posts ...digested and learnt a few things which has made my decision simple. i will not connect to it. Have a lovely day everyone x

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I would also add in response to the Scare Stories about harvesting usernames and passwords.

Although it's also possible, it does require specific IT knowledge and expertise. Plus it is a "real time" process... This means that someone needs to be specifically watching your Internet traffic while you log in. It's generally only going to happen if you are being directly targeted.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I would also add in response to the Scare Stories about harvesting usernames and passwords.

Although it's also possible, it does require specific IT knowledge and expertise. Plus it is a "real time" process... This means that someone needs to be specifically watching your Internet traffic while you log in."

Not necessarily ... traffic could be recorded for later analysis.

Reading the OP ... if you're in a office, and the WiFi was set up by someone who left ... have you got sufficient expertise available to you now, to address any IT issues ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've only recently started using these open wifi's you get in public places, think this may have put me off them now lol!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Wifi connections reveal the same details about your usage as wired connections would. The wireless router is connected to the same physical wired cable that all data traffic from your place of work uses, and so may be subject to the same level of monitoring, or even enhanced monitoring, if they feel it is more open to abuse.

That is unless you're using wifi signal that's not emanating from your company, such as a starbucks nearby etc. I think many of the open and free wifi services prevent access to certain adult sites such as fab though, and think your question was about a wifi network that your employer operates.

The cables will enter their property and then be networked via a range of ways - distributed via a long network of cables or wifi distribution points. They only need to monitor traffic from the entry/exit point of the cables that they use, which would cover all styles of delivery to the end users.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


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Not necessarily ... traffic could be recorded for later.

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Again.. It could, but recording at packet level would require a load of storage and realistically, you'd not want to browse through it. So you would really need a specific search to target. It may be worth it to get company secrets, but does seem a bit extreme for a small office.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If she is on her own phone, it is not obvious it is her phone, how will they know?

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"If she is on her own phone, it is not obvious it is her phone, how will they know?"

Most people set their phones up with names. These then get used when the phone connects to WiFi for an IP address. Looking at my routers, there are connections to "My Phone", "Mrs Phone", "Mrs Tablet", my company laptop, with it's asset no, and two android phones by make and model number. It would hardly be rocket science to know which device was assigned which address (and from there what addresses were requesting what pages).

I've hardcoded some IP address assignments as well, so I can set up access rules about sites, times, and services certain devices are allowed to access.

My router security is default ON, which means you don't get any access to the internet unless it is explicitly granted.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

thanks again to everyone. ive certainly learnt a few things and im sure others hae. ive only been at this company 5 months so not sussed out the It team yet....theyve been at the place years n years. i wont connect up to wifi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My phone gives no indication who I am

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not advisable to log into public or works wifi and do anything you don't want others to know about its far easier to use your contract allowance.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"If it's unsecured Wi-Fi not only can they see what sites you're logged into they can also see your log in details, passwords etc for any sites and your emails.

Attended an IT course through work recently and the presenter demo'd this live on one of the attendees.

I'm never using free public Wi-Fi again!

A

Thanks to you and everyobe else whose posted. ive read all posts ...digested and learnt a few things which has made my decision simple. i will not connect to it. Have a lovely day everyone x"

Very sensible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want to be anonymous then you need a TOR browser.

Any data that is sent out by the browser is encrypted and received by the TOR bouncing servers where it is decrypted. Then It's sent to fetch the data you originally wanted, encrypted and then sent to your browser for the browser to decrypt.

So anyone intercepting your wifi signal will only get a garbled mess and an IP Address to a bounced server.

https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en

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