FabSwingers.com forum: army or against

By *tm660 OP Man
over a year ago

southampton

Why are there alot of haters of army guys on here haha ???

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By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple
over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

Why do you say that? I would think most people respect forces men for what they do. I certainly dont hate you guys.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Because a lot of women and couples are fed up of people expecting what they do for a living to be a magical way to get us all to drop knicks and assume the position whilst being sooooo grateful to receive the attentions of a squaddie.

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we have met a few in the past and found them so full of there own self importance and needs/wants

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By *tm660 OP Man
over a year ago

southampton

At the same time we go fight for our country least youforget that and errm im in the army its not my selling point at all hahha just a tad of respect goes a long way in our eyes as we get alot of shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have met quite a few men in the forces, and despite the preconceived idea that they are all rude and disrespectful i have never had an issue with men in the forces, My attitude is that it is a job, that deserves respect but if a man is going to be a first class prick he is going to be no matter what his job is!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't hate Army guys, it's just that I normally won't meet any of the local ones. I live near Army camps and do tend to get a lot of messages from Army guys expecting me to drop everything for a quickie because they are bored. That's not for me. So, no hate at all. Just incompatible meeting requirements. Having said that I don't discount someone purely because they are in the Army and there are 1 or 2 that I chat to regularly, so I appreciate that you aren't all the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the same time we go fight for our country least youforget that and errm im in the army its not my selling point at all hahha just a tad of respect goes a long way in our eyes as we get alot of shit"

Mate try working in retail on Xmas eve.

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

"Because a lot of women and couples are fed up of people expecting what they do for a living to be a magical way to get us all to drop knicks and assume the position whilst being sooooo grateful to receive the attentions of a squaddie.

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip."

i know what you mean ..ive had a few mail me and expect me to give them a heros welcome .. i used to meets lots of forces guys ..but not because they were in the army ..they were just available ..some guys dress up in the outfit and post pics because they think it'll get them laid ..

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By *ovemenotWoman
over a year ago

yeovil

"I have met quite a few men in the forces, and despite the preconceived idea that they are all rude and disrespectful i have never had an issue with men in the forces, My attitude is that it is a job, that deserves respect but if a man is going to be a first class prick he is going to be no matter what his job is!!

Same here I don't hate any one . Some people are going to be dicks no matter what they do for a living

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

You fight for.us so we must fuck you to show our respect?? Do you walk into tescos and announce you are a soldier? If the answer is no why do you think we care on here?

After the lights out hour last night I think it's clear that a lot of people on here have respect for the armed services and.those that lost their lives in battle but it shouldn't give you any more chance of getting a shag than being a farmer of a banker etc

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS
over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

your not fighting for me ..your fighting cos some tosser in the government told u to..if thats what you want to do fine .

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Is this basically a "I can't get a meet" thread?

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm not forgetting that and I gave examples, I was not offering respect or disrespect simply answering your question with examples. I am trying to explain why you might be getting issues. There are a lot of Soldiers who seem to think that they just have to show a couple of pics in uniform and ask "have you ever fucked a squaddie" or a variation on that (some of them quite objectionable) and that Fabsters will just fall at their feet.

So if you are getting grief when you mention that you are in the army it's because of previous messages people have received.

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By *IDNIGHTMADNESSMan
over a year ago

Nr Exeter

your not fighting for me ..your fighting cos some tosser in the government told u to..if thats what you want to do fine . "

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By *tm660 OP Man
over a year ago

southampton

Im farrrrr from ugly and respected and respectful, you think I go about saying im army shag me no, I posted this saying I get hate mail off ppl with out even messageing them so can ppl stop bringing up the fact some say it too get laid as I clearly dont

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Anyone that knows me knows how much respect I have for our armed forces personnel, but using the uniform to get a fuck is crass at best.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Im farrrrr from ugly and respected and respectful, you think I go about saying im army shag me no, I posted this saying I get hate mail off ppl with out even messageing them so can ppl stop bringing up the fact some say it too get laid as I clearly dont "
Woops.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Army guys are scumbags!! They fuck around, get half of the local population pregnant, the other half get stds! Sit around all day moaning because there's a PT session tomorrow while we drink our tea, eat our naafi food, have 90% of our wages as pure disposable income, get smashed most nights and if your unlucky probably do an operational tour once every 2 years. You signed up no one forced you, so don't breath it down every one else's neck, as they've probably got more problems than us! It's a generalist _iew but one that would resonate across most of the forces.

How do I know this?? I've been bloody doing it for 16 years!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OK Squaddie, it's like this! No one made you join, you volunteered, you are also paid. I served for 10 years but expect no more respect than anyone else. It was my choice, so stop attention seeking, the job is your choice.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Army guys are scumbags!! They fuck around, get half of the local population pregnant, the other half get stds! Sit around all day moaning because there's a PT session tomorrow while we drink our tea, eat our naafi food, have 90% of our wages as pure disposable income, get smashed most nights and if your unlucky probably do an operational tour once every 2 years. You signed up no one forced you, so don't breath it down every one else's neck, as they've probably got more problems than us! It's a generalist _iew but one that would resonate across most of the forces.

How do I know this?? I've been bloody doing it for 16 years!!

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VWE guys do well though, especially marines.

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By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple
over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

Mate try working in retail on Xmas eve. "

Thats so funny E-jay, bloody true though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because the fact that someone is a soldier is for many people not enough of a reason to want to fuck someone but that is something many (but not all) soldiers seem incapable of grasping.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone that knows me knows how much respect I have for our armed forces personnel, but using the uniform to get a fuck is crass at best."

This for me too!

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

How do they know you are in the army then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't think most people hate anything on here.

But most serving and ex serving know that a huge majority of personnel are not fighting at all but in support roles.

What you do for a living has no impact on anyone. How you are to others and your actions does. Most service personnel are respected. Some are and don't deserve it....same in every walk of life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow your a big boy 6ft9

As said before we have a lot of respect for the armed forces but just because you have seen action it doesn't mean you will get action on here

I have an old Fb who has seen action 3 times it broke my heart every time he went away waiting for that call... not knowing.

In fact i think he no longer tells women he's in the army as it doesn't work.

He gets the ladies from just being himself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK Squaddie, it's like this! No one made you join, you volunteered, you are also paid. I served for 10 years but expect no more respect than anyone else. It was my choice, so stop attention seeking, the job is your choice."

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I was brought up in the army and have the utmost respect, doesn't mean I haven't had abusive messages from army guys with a sense of entitlement!

So to me, your job isn't a selling point and each profession regardless of what is it, still has their own set of t*ats of single men who don't like to hear the word no!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your not fighting for me ..your fighting cos some tosser in the government told u to..if thats what you want to do fine . "

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

your talking a lot of shit tbh..

ex services myself and I was always looking out for my oppo personally..

wearing any uniform and doing any job does not mean you deserve respect..

respect is earned..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dad was in the army. Nobody hated him to my knowledge. I certainly don't.

I've met a army guy from here. The first time I was very d*unk and he was a perfect gentleman. The second time I was on my way to the cinema and we were chatting outside the cinema and I was the one trying to get him to stop working and watch the film with me. To no avail. A naughty man though had we met again I've no doubt

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

So don't mention it on here then and you won't get hate mail. No other professional person states what job they do on their profile that I know of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's odd that you would get unsolicited hate mail when nothing on your profile suggests that you are a soldier...

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Anyways my 2 pennies worth..

Fully appreciate the job the forces do but having worked behind the bar in a pub in a garrison town for 4 years if anyone mentions they are In the army to me on here the flashbacks are enough to put me off!

(And yes I know you aren't all the same blah blah)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I much prefer sailors....senior service for a reason.

Marines are too distracted by shines things and have the personality of minnows (with one utterly wonderful exception).

RAF all have a chip in their shoulder.

Army....well some good but most bad, so I tend to avoid squaddies now.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

It's odd that you would get unsolicited hate mail when nothing on your profile suggests that you are a soldier..."

Haha I just checked too! Just the one pic in uniform...take that off op and people will be none the wiser and you won't get hate mail

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say have what you want on your profile. If you're proud of your uniform then show it off. Anyone sends you hate mail report them

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I admire greatly what you do. I think hawking yourself in uniform is disrespectful and tawdry

Enjoy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was just about to say what Evie has above. I'm sorry you get disrespectful messages. No one should. I have family in the forces and my opinion is, yes, no one made you do it....and yet you do! We need our armed forces I'm afraid. However with regard to meeting, I meet respectful members of forces because I like the individual, not because of their profession.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

It's odd that you would get unsolicited hate mail when nothing on your profile suggests that you are a soldier...

Haha I just checked too! Just the one pic in uniform...take that off op and people will be none the wiser and you won't get hate mail

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In all fairness you can get that jacket from army n navy stores

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

It's odd that you would get unsolicited hate mail when nothing on your profile suggests that you are a soldier...

Haha I just checked too! Just the one pic in uniform...take that off op and people will be none the wiser and you won't get hate mail

In all fairness you can get that jacket from army n navy stores

True x

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

Mate try working in retail on Xmas eve. "

Oh god how very true!!!! Lol

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

Like anything else, it depends on the person regardless of what they do. Arseholes are in every occupation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe because they havnt had very good experiences with them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" just a tad of respect goes a long way in our eyes as we get alot of shit"

People have to earn respect, not professions. Lots of people get a lot of shit from life. forget what you do for a living when out on a non work function and be yourself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think as most people have put, it's a job, it's not a calling and for king / queen and country as it was in the great wars. You are paid to do a job and I'm sure you do it well. But perhaps hawking yourself as the second coming (not that you do, I didn't look to be honest, but from what I understand many of your fellow servicemen do) is just going to irritate people. Maybe remove any trace of what you do from your profile and leave it until and if someone asks what you do. That said no one should be abused for any reason let alone their choice of profession.

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

I don't hate anyone in the armed forces. And just to cheer you up I will even let you into a secret....come here.... shhhh, don't tell anyone but.....you've spelt your own name wrong on your profile.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

As someone else has already said very few people feel the need to mention their jobs on their profile on a swingers site.

Recreational sex has nothing to do with what you do to pay the bills so why mention it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

with all due respect so do alot of people in thier jobs. Ex service personnel here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do I know this?? I've been bloody doing it for 16 years!!

VWE guys do well though, especially marines.

Because they're always up each other

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

How do I know this?? I've been bloody doing it for 16 years!!

VWE guys do well though, especially marines.

Because they're always up each other

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They are the best of the best.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do I know this?? I've been bloody doing it for 16 years!!

VWE guys do well though, especially marines.

Because they're always up each other

Hahahahaaaa....

As a former para I couldn't agree more...

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By *atlady555Woman
over a year ago

Reading

totally agree

I don't mind men in the forces I just hate the attitude some have. Its more dangerous being a bus driver or working in your local shop corner nowadays, and I don't see them moaning. We all take a risk from harm you not even safe in your own home. I could be going off track now lol so its Now time to get back to having some fun

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

As a squaddie for 6years saw active service in Northern Ireland, Iraq, and Bosnia,With the REME. The guys n girls who pull on the DPM deserve all the respect in the world. we have done things seen things that unles you have been in the situation HAVE NO IDEA what they go thru.. Yes its a choice but its a bloody hard one. So unles your willing to pick up a Rifle and stand shoulder to shoulder with someone you LITERALLY trust with your life and them with yours. Be respectful of our troops be it in Army Airforce or Navy

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"As a squaddie for 6years saw active service in Northern Ireland, Iraq, and Bosnia,With the REME. The guys n girls who pull on the DPM deserve all the respect in the world. we have done things seen things that unles you have been in the situation HAVE NO IDEA what they go thru.. Yes its a choice but its a bloody hard one. So unles your willing to pick up a Rifle and stand shoulder to shoulder with someone you LITERALLY trust with your life and them with yours. Be respectful of our troops be it in Army Airforce or Navy "

But that is the services as a whole. Individual members of the forces can be dickwads you know. And they are the ones who have coloured the reactions of many on here.

Anyone who uses a job or status or even a car to try to get into my knickers is going to get short shrift.

If I fancy you I don't care if you sweep the streets or are a medalled field marshal, it's the man I'm attracted to not the job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But that is the services as a whole. Individual members of the forces can be dickwads you know. And they are the ones who have coloured the reactions of many on here.

Anyone who uses a job or status or even a car to try to get into my knickers is going to get short shrift.

If I fancy you I don't care if you sweep the streets or are a medalled field marshal, it's the man I'm attracted to not the job."

Surely using a car to get into your knickers is gonna sting a little!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But that is the services as a whole. Individual members of the forces can be dickwads you know. And they are the ones who have coloured the reactions of many on here.

Anyone who uses a job or status or even a car to try to get into my knickers is going to get short shrift.

If I fancy you I don't care if you sweep the streets or are a medalled field marshal, it's the man I'm attracted to not the job."

Just because someone is a soldier they aren't automatically deserving of respect. That doesn;t equate to disrespecting our armed forces though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm pretty good on call of duty,anybody fancy a shag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My step dad served in the army in the Para's for 18 years in N.I, Bosnia, China and all sorts of places. He's been shot and seem some horrible shit but never once has he used his job as a demand for respect.

There is a difference in being humble and demanding.

Saying that, I respectful to all people not matter what status in society they are.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Why are there alot of haters of army guys on here haha ???"
you look like dean gaffney

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

i dont understand this need for automatic respect because you are military ...i have military background personally ..our son is in the military currently ...he was at the lights out parades ..but if he was a prick ..i would tell him ....he does not deserve automatic reapect ...he has a job ..exactly the same as everyone else does

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Being in the armed forces is the 28th most dangerous occupation in Britain and I don't find fisherman, painters and decorators (yes, statistically more at risk), sewage workers, firemen, scaffolders or window cleaners, etc, hoping for a free entitlement to something. Playing on an occupation isn't playing cricket.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

thank you tina ..didnt want to say it personally but fishermen is the most dangerous job in the uk ...we were a fishing family and we lost 2 family members to it ....no one ever saluted as you left shore at 10pm with waves banging off the cliffs or thanked you when you got back at 3 am to try and sell your catch in the market

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"i dont understand this need for automatic respect because you are military ...i have military background personally ..our son is in the military currently ...he was at the lights out parades ..but if he was a prick ..i would tell him ....he does not deserve automatic reapect ...he has a job ..exactly the same as everyone else does"

Corse he deserves automatic respect, he puts himself in a situation of hate danger and or death for the people who depend on him, to keep the peace stop their loved ones from comming to harm. Ok some squaddies are cocks i met a few in my time. but dick or not on a front line situation they became princes among men true heroes (no specifics).. But obviously you wouldn't fuck a person because of the job they do from lawyer to janitor they are people 1st

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

We do not post our jobs on our profile as it is either boring or arrogant depending on whether the reader thinks we are above or below them on some arbitrary social league table.

Why should someone who works in the army assume anyone cares what their job is? It defines them to the same extent my job does.

Respect is earned individually. Np job entitles you to it.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

respect is earned in any walk of life ..its never automatic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

and some women dress up in skimpy outfits hoping it will get them laid. Or shove god knows what up their fannies to get a fuck. Some wear fake nurses outfits and other costumes. I doubt they get hate mail. Respect is something that is lacking from patrons of this site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you assume that they post pics in their uniform to attract attention? Isn't a uniform sexy to a lot of women? Do you get a lot of hate mail for what you wear?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

Hate mail is not required at all.

Everyone is entitled to be left in peace.

Unless you happen to live near a lot of muslims with oil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

I think you have a valid point there but fab always has had people like that here I can only put it down to it being a frustrating place for some.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Do you assume that they post pics in their uniform to attract attention? Isn't a uniform sexy to a lot of women? Do you get a lot of hate mail for what you wear?"

He's the one claiming he should be entitled to something for what he does, not I.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who depends on him exactly (apart from his fellow soldiers on the field?) This isn't the second world war! Soldiers are just state tools by now, mopping up and losing their lives in the name of greed and dodgy world leaders.The nation's youngsters have watched those adverts where they're shown a potential career where you get to go skiing, swim underwater and get a girlfriend or whatever.None of the adverts show land-mines and squaddies coming home minus limbs.They're not fighting and dying for me or anyone else.The government has created a climate of perpetual fear in which we all apparently need protection.Let them send the squaddies to protect palestinian children then.Then you may earn my respect

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I used to be in fisheries ad now I'm in agriculture.

Both are more risky, it seems. Do I get a shag yet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

I think you have a valid point there but fab always has had people like that here I can only put it down to it being a frustrating place for some.

not Fab,just a few people on it. We all project an outward image to attract attention,either to get sex or as an ego boost. Lots of people here use their occupation and clothing to get sex. Some use a 6 pack and get accused of being on steroids. It's laughable how assuming,judgemental and ignorant people here are

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

I doubt if anyone here hates army guys,but just because you have been or are in the army does not been people want sex with you,there is more to it than that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

I think you have a valid point there but fab always has had people like that here I can only put it down to it being a frustrating place for some.

I see its more as disappointing but twisting words that often happens is rather disturbing when its not someone just having a laugh.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Yes your job is part of who you are, but if it's your best selling point then you really need to get a grip.

I think you have a valid point there but fab always has had people like that here I can only put it down to it being a frustrating place for some.

this is perfect the point you make is straight down the line. Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm confused. First of all you say soldiers are automatically (and by implication unquestioning) respect. Then you call some of them cocks.

So you can disrespect them by calling them cocks but others can't? Or am I missing something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything"

How do you know?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything

How do you know?"

On that logic we better invade Andorra just in case?

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

You fight for.us so we must fuck you to show our respect?? Do you walk into tescos and announce you are a soldier? If the answer is no why do you think we care on here?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !"

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything"

that last statement just shows HOW STUPID some people are... Aldershot Cambridge London York Edinburgh Portsmouth Plymouth Guildford Hereford Camberley Windsor.. A selection of Garrison towns plus numerous RAF and Royal Navy bases across Great Britain And northern Ireland.. Hardly the Middle East is it.....

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything

How do you know?

On that logic we better invade Andorra just in case?"

But that's not logic and the facts are information about what they are or have been involved in is not generally available to the public.

But to address the original statement its flawed and incorrect as there are individuals in the armed forces who have been involved in observing and photographing individuals from the UK that have been training in terrorist training camps there. These individuals have been identified and observed on their return to the UK and its is one of the reasons recent terrorist plots on the capital failed.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

" I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything"
Educate yourself.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !"

Well, maybe not quiet, Typhoons not well known for whispering through the skies.

I was wondering what it was planning on doing though. Would it have shot the plane down?

Back to the OP. I used to work with the Army. I like soldiers, and have been having a torrid affair with one for a while now. Most of them are great guys, and I enjoyed working with them a lot. But some are complete tossers *cough*infantry*cough*.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !"

Read my post again. How did the soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq (to whom I refered) have any impact on that incident? In fact as it was police that dealt with the plane when it landed, aside of the pointless deployment of fighter jets what role did the military even play?

Anti-terrorist police do far more (to quote the post that I was originally responding to) "to keep the peace stop their loved ones from comming to harm" than any frontline soldier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !

Anti-terrorist police do far more (to quote the post that I was originally responding to) "to keep the peace stop their loved ones from comming to harm" than any frontline soldier"

I assume you have scant information on what the armed forces get involved in. most information isn't generally available but rest assured your life has been made safer by the actions of the armed forces oversees in the middle east.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't want to derail this thread in to an anti-war one but not one soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq is protecting me from anything

Sorry but what has a list of garrison towns got to do with anything?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !

Anti-terrorist police do far more (to quote the post that I was originally responding to) "to keep the peace stop their loved ones from comming to harm" than any frontline soldier"

pointless deployment.. Ok so apart from ARMY bomb disposal who else going on a plane before its "made safe".

the fighters were deployed because if the threat had been a highjacking the RAF might have had the purly horrendous job of downing the jumbo.. Who you gonna get to pull the trigger, You? Nah you dont have the bottle

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

crystal ..i normally never respond but sit in the same camp as you guys are in on most posts ..but to say the military ..not bothered where they are posted ..afghan ..iraq ...what ever .. do not protect us sends me slightly cosmic !!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"you already derailed it crystal ..we are a very small island and our military are

tip top !! ..

that flight today trying to get to manchester airport demonstrated it perfectly ...quietly protected !

Anti-terrorist police do far more (to quote the post that I was originally responding to) "to keep the peace stop their loved ones from comming to harm" than any frontline soldier

pointless deployment.. Ok so apart from ARMY bomb disposal who else going on a plane before its "made safe".

Stop digging, Rambo.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok so apart from ARMY bomb disposal who else going on a plane before its "made safe".

Armed police attended and were first on the plane today. As it was so quickly established as a hoax from what I can gather there was nothing to be made safe - certainly no device to be made safe.

And when was there any suggestion of a highjacking?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Ok so apart from ARMY bomb disposal who else going on a plane before its "made safe".

Armed police attended and were first on the plane today. As it was so quickly established as a hoax from what I can gather there was nothing to be made safe - certainly no device to be made safe.

And when was there any suggestion of a highjacking?"

BBC1 news said the reason it was given an escort by the RAF Was because the captain of the plane had inelegance that a possible highjacking was on the cards

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

the point of the jets is a damage limitation exercise ..if it is determined it is a flying bomb ..then the jets will shoot it down but not over a major city or town and try and have less casualitys ...they will direct it to fly to a more appropriate area before they engage with it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"crystal ..i normally never respond but sit in the same camp as you guys are in on most posts ..but to say the military ..not bothered where they are posted ..afghan ..iraq ...what ever .. do not protect us sends me slightly cosmic !!"

But other than create a huge humanitarian crisis, a civil war and radicalise a generation of young muslims what did we actually achieve in Iraq? We certainly never found the weapons of mass destruction that were the justification for an unlawful invasion.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

i would imagine squaddies are very fit and have good stamina .. they have little say in where they get sent in the forces.... but as they work hard .. they probably play hard with a lot of physicality which maybe an attractive attribute

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are joking right? you must have read at some point the country was ruled be a genocidal mad man that had even gassed his own countrymen and murdered thousands and thousands of people who didn't agree with him?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

smiles...im back in the camp of singing off the same hymn sheet ...yayyy order is restored !!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"i would imagine squaddies are very fit and have good stamina .. they have little say in where they get sent in the forces.... but as they work hard .. they probably play hard with a lot of physicality which maybe an attractive attribute "

My friend is as fit as a butchers dog

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

pssstttt ...who is jeremy paxman here ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of course I have. But how exactly did deposing him and then abandoning the people of Iraq to sort out the mess work out for them? I'm sure that those slaughtered by ISIS are eternally grateful that we made their country even more unstable than it was under his rule.

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

C'mon, Churchill was a monster, but he wasn't quite that bad....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"pssstttt ...who is jeremy paxman here ???"

I am struggling to tell so many are on their hands legs in the air and screaming to the sky complete crap its ridiculous at times how many half arsed assumptions people make though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore"

You asked what was achieved in Iraq and thats just one positive though if you didn't realise that already before asking it does demonstrate your lack of knowledge. Now I can see you enjoy poking people, trolling or what ever people call it when someone intentionally disrupts flow for personal notoriety but its better if you have some knowledge on a subject to pull it off.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Pops in with tea and biscuits

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore

If the country is at best no better off and arguably worse off - how is deposing Saddam Hussain a positive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahhhh nice to see the great british propaganda machine is still churning out the bullshit

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

" Now I can see you enjoy poking people, trolling or what ever people call it when someone intentionally disrupts flow for personal notoriety but its better if you have some knowledge on a subject to pull it off."

On a personal basis, I highly doubt CrystalWheels are trolling. On past history this couple have always made articulate points and asked relevant questions. Considering that Iraq was stable and suppressing terrorism before we invaded it and the opposite is now true, an argument can probably be made that invading has not protected us one jot.

Pops out for the Ovaltine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore

If the country is at best no better off and arguably worse off - how is deposing Saddam Hussain a positive?"

You haven't a clue if its better off or not stick to bicycles you know all about them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm hoping not to get drawn into this. But I thought it'd be interesting to say that we were never in Iraq to find weapons of mass destruction. Sure that's what they told us and that's what they told the troops. But that wasn't why we were there... never was.

At the time the Neo-conservatives were in office over in the states. If you do your own research it'll lead you back to a guy called Leo Strauss who basically influenced Wolfowitz and the others. One of his key ideas was that, if the cause was just, and the public was unlikely to understand this because of the complexities of the issue, then political figures should weave a simplistic narrative that would convince the public to agree with a line of action for one reason that was ultimately needed for another. That's why they lied. It was their philosophical _iew on statecraft.

So what did they really want to do? In my mind the whole conflict is about China. In 1998 Zbigniew Brzezinski, a highly influential strategist in the US, wrote a book called 'The Grand Chessboard' in which he asked how the US could remain powerful if China continued to rise to power. For him it all came down to who controls the oil i.e. who owns the Middle East. Whoever controls the oil controls the growth of China. At least that was the idea. I think a lot has changed since then.

Coupled with this, it was also intended as a show of strength to the up and coming BLOC countries, a reminder that we are not vulnerable yet. That part kinda backfired imo. Ironically, I believe the invasion of Iraq also enabled the US to comply with some of Al-Qaida's requests for US troops to move out of certain locations. This was covered up... but it was basically a way of giving a concession without being seen to give a concession.

Whether you like it or not the entire operation only makes sense if it is seen in this light imo.

The military is a wonderfully honed tool for following orders. The problems come when the orders are detrimental to our countries security rather than beneficial to it. Like any tool, they can be used for good or for bad. That's just my opinion... I'm not gonna try and wave it in anybody's face... but that's how I see it. It's just a shame that young people have got to loose their lives for a cause that was never properly explained to them... a cause that may be either completely futile... or actually detrimental... or maybe, just maybe, a stroke of Machiavellian strategic genius. We'll have to wait and see which of these it is

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Ahhhh nice to see the great british propaganda machine is still churning out the bullshit

Nope, I'm bringing biscuits, not bullshit. The closest I can do is some brown cow malted milk biscuits, but I doubt they taste the same.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore

If the country is at best no better off and arguably worse off - how is deposing Saddam Hussain a positive?"

How quickly people forget. Saddam was our "man in the east" when he was bombing the Kurds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pops out for the Ovaltine

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore"
You're wasting your time trying to reason with the action men on here guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And if the war was about deposing tyrannical overlords there are many, many other countries that fit in to that category who our government see fit to ignore

If the country is at best no better off and arguably worse off - how is deposing Saddam Hussain a positive?"

Well I guess if you look at Saddam's tenure you might know the war with Iran was far more devastating to the population or Iraq than since his reign of terror ended. Are you actually aware of how he tortured and brutalised his people and if he hadn't gone his offspring would have continued it. I hate to say it as it probably sounds condescending and its not my aim but do you have a clue at all what is going on over there now or in recent years its because I am flabbergasted at what you have posted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ahhhh nice to see the great british propaganda machine is still churning out the bullshit

Nope, I'm bringing biscuits, not bullshit. The closest I can do is some brown cow malted milk biscuits, but I doubt they taste the same.

Oh I wasn't refering to your post.I was just responding to those on here who blindly follow what the state-run BBC news tells them.I'll bring some jaffa cakes

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pops out for the Ovaltine

Now thats funny as fuck as its the norm on here as many see it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded....."

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Pops in with tea and biscuits

We're going to need.something stronger - break out the cocoa and chocolate hobnobs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded....."

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded....."

Did they brutalise the Iraqi people too?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Why even mention it? I don't like when guys give it as a reason for meeting. What has being in the military got to do with being a good shag?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Pops in with tea and biscuits

We're going to need.something stronger - break out the cocoa and chocolate hobnobs!"

Think I'm made of money? All this leopard print doesn't grow on trees, lass

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

Hey where's the OP gone.

Perhaps it's his turn to go on stag

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Ps my ex was an Iraqi Kurd who escaped Saddam Hussein and claimed asylum here. His best friend had disappeared off the street and his uncle had been hanged by Saddams regime.

Yet he cried when the war started as he considered the war wrong. He hated that the west destroyed his country when t hey eventually toppled the dictator.

He has now returned to Iraq despite now being a British citizen. He has worked on projects to help rebuild his country and is very bitter about what happened.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

did we find a jeremy paxman then or is this going to have to be democratically elected ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey where's the OP gone.

Perhaps it's his turn to go on stag

Perhaps he was using the internet at Camp Bastion

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

No, my point was that we don't go around invading people because we think they are a bit mean.

Like I said, we loved a bit of Saddam when he was bombing the Kurds.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Did they brutalise the Iraqi people too?"

Nope, but as you well know the British government couldn't give a particularly vigorous monkey's toss about the Iraqi people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

No, my point was that we don't go around invading people because we think they are a bit mean.

Like I said, we loved a bit of Saddam when he was bombing the Kurds. "

Who loved him the British Government didn't so is the "we" part you personally?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why even mention it? I don't like when guys give it as a reason for meeting. What has being in the military got to do with being a good shag? "

Next it be the turn of the Fireman. ..

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

politics and religeon cause 98% of wars ..its like an industry

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"politics and religeon cause 98% of wars ..its like an industry "

the other 2% gobby women in taxi ques at 2am Sunday morning

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

No, my point was that we don't go around invading people because we think they are a bit mean.

Like I said, we loved a bit of Saddam when he was bombing the Kurds.

Who loved him the British Government didn't so is the "we" part you personally?"

Of course I meant the British Government and not me personally.

If you honestly think we invaded Iraq because we wanted to protect the Iraqi people, why haven't we invaded Zimbabwe?

Do we like the Zimbabwean people less?

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

"Why even mention it? I don't like when guys give it as a reason for meeting. What has being in the military got to do with being a good shag?

Next it be the turn of the Fireman. .."

Can't it be coppers instead please?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

could be that everyone is still trying to find rhodesia on the map ...they dont update our military equipment frequently !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

No, my point was that we don't go around invading people because we think they are a bit mean.

Like I said, we loved a bit of Saddam when he was bombing the Kurds.

Who loved him the British Government didn't so is the "we" part you personally?

Of course I meant the British Government and not me personally.

If you honestly think we invaded Iraq because we wanted to protect the Iraqi people, why haven't we invaded Zimbabwe?

Do we like the Zimbabwean people less?"

But I didn't say that did I! And I will correct you again as the British Government was appalled with Saddam's actions against the Kurds google it.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

And yet North Korea remains uninvaded.....

Do you really think it would be a viable option to invade and to try and depose? Do you think they wouldn't if they could? Do you know North Korea has one of the largest army's in the world?

No, my point was that we don't go around invading people because we think they are a bit mean.

Like I said, we loved a bit of Saddam when he was bombing the Kurds.

Who loved him the British Government didn't so is the "we" part you personally?

Of course I meant the British Government and not me personally.

If you honestly think we invaded Iraq because we wanted to protect the Iraqi people, why haven't we invaded Zimbabwe?

Do we like the Zimbabwean people less?

But I didn't say that did I! And I will correct you again as the British Government was appalled with Saddam's actions against the Kurds google it."
I used to love lemon curd sandwiches, Tony Blair must have as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread went well!

Who'd have guessed forum war would have broken out over a squaddie thinking that service personnel don't get much respect..

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

"This thread went well!

Who'd have guessed forum war would have broken out over a squaddie thinking that service personnel don't get much respect..

Are you surprised! It's broken out over a lot less lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agreed. 9 years in the Devon & Dorsets.

Good time , good mates...but just a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You earn respect, you don't demand it. I've found that from my 28 years in.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Respect is earned, not a right!! You come across as pitiful with a misplaced sense of entitlement. It is pleating posts like this that put people off.

You also need to bear in mind that there are many ex - military on here who get pissed by posts like yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This thread went well!

Who'd have guessed forum war would have broken out over a squaddie thinking that service personnel don't get much respect..

Are you surprised! It's broken out over a lot less lol x "

I really shouldn't be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

your not fighting for me ..your fighting cos some tosser in the government told u to..if thats what you want to do fine . "

Well said!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"wearing any uniform and doing any job does not mean you deserve respect..

respect is earned.."

(him) Exactly. I'm also ex services - RN WEM Mechanical.

Anyone that has a sense of entitlement will earn respect from no one. In fact, they will probably lose any respect anyone had for them. It's wrong though to tar everyone with the same brush. Not all servicemen are egotistical idiots. Maybe it's just the younger generation with the problem. When I was in, me & my mates & other colleagues quite often went out of our way to help people, including civvies, but we never expected anything in return. It was our JOB to help people & to promote the service in the best light possible. Behaving like a twat just creates disrespect.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

Its not soldiers so much as British people being anti war, the government sticking their noses into private conflicts which costs the country billions is not a good selling point to anyone.

You guys do a great job & fair play to you but when a years army bill could keep 40 hospitals open each year you can see why there is resentment from the British public...not at the soldiers but what they represent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Respect is earned, not a right!! You come across as pitiful with a misplaced sense of entitlement. It is pleating posts like this that put people off.

You also need to bear in mind that there are many ex - military on here who get pissed by posts like yours."

There are also a fair few who pretend they were even the odd one on this thread too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"wearing any uniform and doing any job does not mean you deserve respect..

respect is earned..

(him) Exactly. I'm also ex services - RN WEM Mechanical.

goes without saying that the majority of service folk same as people in other uniform wearing jobs just crack on and don't see themselves as deserving of respect for anything other than the person they are and not the uniform..

certainly seems to have been a sea change generally in the past 30 or so years where service personnel are not seen by some as a group who are out for a tear up on a weekend..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Respect is earned, not a right!! You come across as pitiful with a misplaced sense of entitlement. It is pleating posts like this that put people off.

You also need to bear in mind that there are many ex - military on here who get pissed by posts like yours.

There are also a fair few who pretend they were even the odd one on this thread too.

I blame chris ryan and bravo 2 zero..

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

By some peoples reasoning, we should get rid of our defences totally, and help all the poor and needy in the world, give terrorists free reign to terrorise the british people, share peace love and understanding with them and dance around with daisies in our hair!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an ex forces myself I can't understand all this we do this we do that, hang on you like me choose this career, so get on with it and don't expect everyone to respect you.

There are some that disagree with army's, and as for being a veteran that's is one thing I will never call myself , I done 12 years but I call veterans lads and lasses from both WW1 and WW2 and other conflicts and I will never call anyone who has done 12 month in the forces a vet

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Respect is earned, not a right!! You come across as pitiful with a misplaced sense of entitlement. It is pleating posts like this that put people off.

You also need to bear in mind that there are many ex - military on here who get pissed by posts like yours.

There are also a fair few who pretend they were even the odd one on this thread too.

You will always find fantasist in life and even amongst those who are serving or ex - forces. The number of "special forces" who are packing shelves in supermarket is truly amazing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes me laugh when squaddies say they fight for their country, as an ex soldier myself l went where l was sent l didnt join to fight for my country lt was a job at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a job, Can i demand some reespeck n a sympathy Shsg

Doleful Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"By some peoples reasoning, we should get rid of our defences totally, and help all the poor and needy in the world, give terrorists free reign to terrorise the british people, share peace love and understanding with them and dance around with daisies in our hair!

Damn are we really that transparent? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the same time we go fight for our country"

I believe the word your looking for is government not country. The country as a whole, if asked rather than being told by our leaders, would probably choose not to send you round the world to protect oil fields for rich arabs but stay here and protect us should anybody threaten or attack our country!

I give respect to those who fought in ww1 and 2 because they didnt CHOOSE to join they HAD to go. They did fight for our country. A lot of young soldiers today only sign up to be macho and because they think it entitles them to better treatment and more respect than others. Well sorry but it doesnt. Its a job you choose to do just like any other job. No ill feeling or disrespect to you, but no idol worship or anymore respect than joe bloggs who delivers parcels gets either. Most people dont mention thier jobs in thier profiles so why mention yours especially if you feel it puts people off??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At the same time we go fight for our country

I feel the same way. Well _xpressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No body has said that we should get rid of our defences and nobody has said or even implied that terrorists shpuld be given free reign but all our current policies are achieving is the radicalisation if a whole generation of Muslims.

As for the rest of it it sounds perfect to me - but you seem to suggest tgat peace love and understanding are not something to aspire too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's definitely something to aspire to but with so much racial and religious hatred it's just a beautiful pipe dream...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the rest of it it sounds perfect to me - but you seem to suggest tgat peace love and understanding are not something to aspire too?"

Indeed! Helping the poor and living in a world of peace is what everyone should be aiming for.Since when did wanting that become wrong?!

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

If the OP is worried about getting abuse for being in the forces - he should thanks his lucky stars he's not a traffic warden, a banker or an MP!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's definitely something to aspire to but with so much racial and religious hatred it's just a beautiful pipe dream..."

But it's a vicious circle. Government and war's fuel the hatred and fear and have done for years

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

As for the rest of it it sounds perfect to me - but you seem to suggest tgat peace love and understanding are not something to aspire too?"
I think its about time, people woke up and smelt the damn coffee.*prances around in a pretty dress with daisies in her hair*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Religion is the cause of most wars not any government.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's definitely something to aspire to but with so much racial and religious hatred it's just a beautiful pipe dream...

But it's a vicious circle. Government and war's fuel the hatred and fear and have done for years"

Don't forget industry too. Ifbtheres a profit to be made somewhere then someone will be manipulating the situation.

Until greed and xenophobia are behind us then there can be no peace.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time for a beer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the rest of it it sounds perfect to me - but you seem to suggest tgat peace love and understanding are not something to aspire too?"

To be honest, if we'd been capable of sitting back after 9/11 and just saying 'whatever' and then carrying on immediately as if nothing had happened... I think it would've had a deeper impact upon Al-Qaida and anti-western thought around the world.

Instead we let the world know that a small band of shambolic individuals can almost bring a super power to it's knees and make it so blind with rage that it's prepared to fight two unwinnable wars on two fronts. We also showed the world, with our reaction and with such things as Guantanamo Bay, that we do not occupy the moral high ground.

The problem with this line of thought however, is that we simply could not have been passive... our emotions got the better of us and we had to act. Imo the war on terror is like the war on drugs... the more you fight it the bigger the problem gets

The ailing tiger lashes out. The strong one carries on regardless. Our reaction to 9/11, rather than showing our strength, highlighted our weaknesses. The BLOC countries are waiting in the shadows for their turn at the top.

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