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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im working for waitrose atm through agency, in a huge chilled warehouse... Any how... There is staff there that have been there for over a year on agency (no chance if being taken on) I like the job it's 4pm til 12pm....

However another agency just called me saying do i want a permanent job... Start Wednesday in a warehouse again though.... Ooooooonly both equalise to pay scale.. Just sick of b@stard agency's!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Im working for waitrose atm through agency, in a huge chilled warehouse... Any how... There is staff there that have been there for over a year on agency (no chance if being taken on) I like the job it's 4pm til 12pm....

However another agency just called me saying do i want a permanent job... Start Wednesday in a warehouse again though.... Ooooooonly both equalise to pay scale.. Just sick of b@stard agency's!"
if you're not happy remove your self from the situation.

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'd be dubious that it's actually a permanent job with no inter_iew...

None of my work clients would take a perm person without inter_iewing... Only for Temp jobs..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'd be dubious that it's actually a permanent job with no inter_iew...

None of my work clients would take a perm person without inter_iewing... Only for Temp jobs.."

Yeah exactly.. There wasn't an inter_iew at waitrose either... Wish I could get a direct job, drive me mad agency!

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts


"Im working for waitrose atm through agency, in a huge chilled warehouse... Any how... There is staff there that have been there for over a year on agency (no chance if being taken on) I like the job it's 4pm til 12pm....

However another agency just called me saying do i want a permanent job... Start Wednesday in a warehouse again though.... Ooooooonly both equalise to pay scale.. Just sick of b@stard agency's!"

Surely it still has a probation period though?

Find out how long. I can't see the harm in giving it a go though if your current role still hasn't offered you anything permanent, although I would start harassing them about it.

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Yeah probation is 12 weeks then your wage goes up... Apparently... But I've heard loads get fired off before or on the 12th week..

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent "

Agencies say a lot of things though.

Just be careful. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent "
sadly people will say anything just to keep you hanging. Follow you're gut.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Oh jeeeeeez... Not sure at all...

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts


"Yeah probation is 12 weeks then your wage goes up... Apparently... But I've heard loads get fired off before or on the 12th week.."

Yep, I've certainly seen that before as well. Lure people in with the offer of a permanent job, pay them as little as possible for as long as possible and then find any old excuse to get rid of them so that you don't have any obligations to them or have to pay them more.

Take on a new load of probation workers and start whole process again.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire


"Im working for waitrose atm through agency, in a huge chilled warehouse... "

I'd stay where you are if it's chilled

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'd have to do another week in hand milarki!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yeah probation is 12 weeks then your wage goes up... Apparently... But I've heard loads get fired off before or on the 12th week..

Yep, I've certainly seen that before as well. Lure people in with the offer of a permanent job, pay them as little as possible for as long as possible and then find any old excuse to get rid of them so that you don't have any obligations to them or have to pay them more.

Take on a new load of probation workers and start whole process again."

You know the script lol..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell them you've been offered another job and that like it there but you need something permanent.

I was in the same boat had 2 jobs but needed a permanent contract so went for inter_iews. They called for a reference and both my places offered me contracts so I got to choose where I went

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh jeeeeeez... Not sure at all..."
if you're not sure.. Don't leave waitrose

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Tell them you've been offered another job and that like it there but you need something permanent.

I was in the same boat had 2 jobs but needed a permanent contract so went for inter_iews. They called for a reference and both my places offered me contracts so I got to choose where I went "

Yeah gonna get looking for direct jobs.. Get this.. One guy on agency for waitrose went for the job he is doing, with waitrose.. Been there 6 months.. They turned him down but he is still there as agency.. Such a joke..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Oh jeeeeeez... Not sure at all... if you're not sure.. Don't leave waitrose"

If i dont leave waitrose and get fired off before the 12 weeks.. I'd be gutted...!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh jeeeeeez... Not sure at all... if you're not sure.. Don't leave waitrose

If i dont leave waitrose and get fired off before the 12 weeks.. I'd be gutted...!"
you may not get fired off!?

Like someone said above.. Say you have been offered another job, what is the likely hood of me staying on after 12 weeks?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Waitrose are a really good firm to work regardless of you being agency staff. Again as posts above show just say you've been offered a position full time elsewhere and that you'd ideally like to stay at waitrose. Plus if you secure a position there you get really good bonuses!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yeah probation is 12 weeks then your wage goes up... Apparently... But I've heard loads get fired off before or on the 12th week..

Yep, I've certainly seen that before as well. Lure people in with the offer of a permanent job, pay them as little as possible for as long as possible and then find any old excuse to get rid of them so that you don't have any obligations to them or have to pay them more.

Take on a new load of probation workers and start whole process again.

You know the script lol.."

Prob better the devil ya know in this case

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Employment Agencies are businesses that exist to place people in temporary positions, they have no loyalty except to themselves, you have every right to move to whichever agency you want.

Recruitment agencies are set up to find suitable personnel for permanent positions in their clients companies.

Both types of agencies should inter_iew their workers, the difference is that recruitment have 2 inter_iews one in the agency and one at the clients so they can choose the best of what's on offer, whilst employment agencies just get you into the office and find out what you are capable of doing and find temporary work you are able to do and they will profit by.

All agencies charge a finders fee if you are taken on fulltime, in an employment agency their fees will be upto 16 weeks pay, as agreed on their temporary contract terms, that's why no one usually gets a temp to permanent job from an agency. Best advice is to do what feels right for you and forget loyalty because the agency has none towards you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Waitrose are a really good firm to work regardless of you being agency staff. Again as posts above show just say you've been offered a position full time elsewhere and that you'd ideally like to stay at waitrose. Plus if you secure a position there you get really good bonuses!"

Right question answered lol I'm gonna stay at waitrose.. Although chances are slim at getting taken on, I'd still like to be taken on there.. Staff are well looked after.. Well the permenant ones anyway!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Employment Agencies are businesses that exist to place people in temporary positions, they have no loyalty except to themselves, you have every right to move to whichever agency you want.

Recruitment agencies are set up to find suitable personnel for permanent positions in their clients companies.

Both types of agencies should inter_iew their workers, the difference is that recruitment have 2 inter_iews one in the agency and one at the clients so they can choose the best of what's on offer, whilst employment agencies just get you into the office and find out what you are capable of doing and find temporary work you are able to do and they will profit by.

All agencies charge a finders fee if you are taken on fulltime, in an employment agency their fees will be upto 16 weeks pay, as agreed on their temporary contract terms, that's why no one usually gets a temp to permanent job from an agency. Best advice is to do what feels right for you and forget loyalty because the agency has none towards you."

That is true, I've been had by agencies before.. I've been working consistently for the past year.. With loads of agencies though, ended up on a right rut I just need a permenant job not this agency shite!

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By *uppy ConquerorMan
over a year ago

dundee

Dirty robbing c??ts agencies. Wish no-one would work for them and they all went out of business!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Waitrose are a really good firm to work regardless of you being agency staff. Again as posts above show just say you've been offered a position full time elsewhere and that you'd ideally like to stay at waitrose. Plus if you secure a position there you get really good bonuses!

Right question answered lol I'm gonna stay at waitrose.. Although chances are slim at getting taken on, I'd still like to be taken on there.. Staff are well looked after.. Well the permenant ones anyway!"

Good shout mate, plus as it's part of John Lewis too, career progression is amazing there too. I stupidly turned down a position at john lewis and looking back now regret it a lot. Being stuck in Arcadia Group lol. All the best pal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent "

Thats fine if you are one of the most, if not it could be out on your ear

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I think that there are 2 things I would be thinking here.

1. could you approach waitrose management and explain the situation to them, saying you are attracted by the chance if per meant but rather be permanently where you are.

2. Can you ask the agency, if the new position didn't work out, or you didn't like it... will they send you back?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Stick with waitrose you never know what is around the corner...I know how you feel I've been on external secondment for 3 years love it where I am but no chance of being taken on permeant it does piss me off sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agencies aren't the best but at least you have a job as I do through one, pays the bills and puts food on the table

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent "

You do know that after 12 weeks with an agency you're covered by AWR - agency workers regulations and entitled to the same pay and conditions as a perm staff member in a comparable role

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent

You do know that after 12 weeks with an agency you're covered by AWR - agency workers regulations and entitled to the same pay and conditions as a perm staff member in a comparable role"

I never knew that!!!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Good luck either way, hun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I ask, are these recruitment agencies or employment agencies (employment agencies are the ones that charge you hourly for having got you the job)?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stick with Waitrose. Make sure you work hard, show them your worth and they'd keep you on. Speak to your section manager and ask whether you can offer something more. Show your interest in staying on so they know you're not just here for a 'job' but to improve the partnership too.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Id want written job details before giving a job much consideration. If it is switching to an equal contract job then in some ways it is worse, as you will be losing your length of service from your current place - maybe it would eventually be permanent? Id take permanent over contract any day, but the value of a job is based on the whole package of benefits. This includes pay, pension and other assorted benefits, including holiday entitlement and sick pay. Good luck with what you choose!

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By *.nottsbloke..Man
over a year ago

the vale

A job u enjoy is hard to find stick where.I are the grass is not often greener

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By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple
over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

Your a young man who is obviously enjoying your time with Waitrose, I'm sure your manager is aware of your keen work attitude. There is no harm in approaching the relevant people, this shows a good attitude rather than wait for the 12 weeks just ask. On the other hand it is quite common with regards to warehouse staff etc not to be given an inter_iew by large companys as they already expect the agency to have done the job for them! Which ever way you decide only you can make things happen. Good luck you..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look on waitrose own web site for recruitment opportunities direct..

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Good point just don't know what to do for best.. I love waitrose but think they are being dodgy keeping loads of staff on agency so they can fire them off easy... This other job cpc they say at least most agency staff after 12 weeks get took on permanent

You do know that after 12 weeks with an agency you're covered by AWR - agency workers regulations and entitled to the same pay and conditions as a perm staff member in a comparable role

I never knew that!!! "

As long as you are in the same role with the same company... Google 'agency workers regulations' and get yourself up to speed on them

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I would go for the permanent role

good luck and all the best in the new role if you go ahead

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Just as a little side note, Cowley where BMW made the mini. In 2009 they cut over 850 jobs at an hours notice nearly all the jobs were agency staff who were told stop whatever they were doing and attend a meeting where they were told they were being let go.

Its not the agencies fault but they have no power over the place where they send you, its a commercial decision to employ agency temps because its cheaper to get rid of them.

no matter the reputation of the company for looking after its workers, you are not employed by that company you work for the agency, and are therefore disposable.

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By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple
over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire


"Just as a little side note, Cowley where BMW made the mini. In 2009 they cut over 850 jobs at an hours notice nearly all the jobs were agency staff who were told stop whatever they were doing and attend a meeting where they were told they were being let go.

Its not the agencies fault but they have no power over the place where they send you, its a commercial decision to employ agency temps because its cheaper to get rid of them.

no matter the reputation of the company for looking after its workers, you are not employed by that company you work for the agency, and are therefore disposable."

Sad but true, so much red tape for HR its an easy option..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just as a little side note, Cowley where BMW made the mini. In 2009 they cut over 850 jobs at an hours notice nearly all the jobs were agency staff who were told stop whatever they were doing and attend a meeting where they were told they were being let go.

Its not the agencies fault but they have no power over the place where they send you, its a commercial decision to employ agency temps because its cheaper to get rid of them.

no matter the reputation of the company for looking after its workers, you are not employed by that company you work for the agency, and are therefore disposable."

Its a sad situation but has to be better than jobs going abroad. Really though the government should be doing something to protect British direct employment jobs.

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