FabSwingers.com forum: Never Again

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I have popped back in, I don't or will wish to read ur responses. Having sex with complete strangers may make u feel better, it wont in the long term. Cples who explore and venture into this will fail in the end. If u have such self low worth in urself and children, what the heck are u doing, it wont make issues go away, u may as well charge for sex. A meet is exciting,ask urself how it feels after when they are gone with the hangover to boot. It is worthless and so is the person uve met.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think it's bed time for you

you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you may be the one feeling the hangover tomorrow

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Oh dear god.... not again

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Think it's bed time for you

you."
I concur.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Think about it.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I have been to confession as well.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it's bed time for you

you.I concur.

I concur to

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By *smCouple
over a year ago

Liskeard

I'm sorry I've resisted posting till now but .. You do not know how our relationships work . Swinging with my husband meant we talked about everything and we were honest about every aspect of our relationship . We loved one another .

Please try and understand that I am not judging you please do not judge others

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

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By *onnaluvdollTV/TS
over a year ago

cork

Why put this up except for no other reason but to get oxygen starvation being so high on the high moral ground. God knows the baby Jesus must feel the earth is in good hands knowing you walk upon the earth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The universe is full of bountiful love. We are born out of that love and one day we will return to it. Everyone and everything around us deserves that love. You have that love within you... love of yourself... love of others... love of the universe. Fill your life with that love. Let it grow and grow. Let it expand beyond current monogamous limitations and spill into everything you do. Kiss the universe. Caress the universe. Make love with the universe.

Be Alive and filled with Love

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"The universe is full of bountiful love. We are born out of that love and one day we will return to it. Everyone and everything around us deserves that love. You have that love within you... love of yourself... love of others... love of the universe. Fill your life with that love. Let it grow and grow. Let it expand beyond current monogamous limitations and spill into everything you do. Kiss the universe. Caress the universe. Make love with the universe.

Be Alive and filled with Love

"
Another one that's been at the cooking sherry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be Alive and filled with Love

Another one that's been at the cooking sherry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be Alive and filled with Love

Another one that's been at the cooking sherry.

pmsl.

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Be Alive and filled with Love

Another one that's been at the cooking sherry.

I think we've missed some sort of party with a free bar tonight

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

Are you convinced that we only swing under the influence of alcohol?

I assume that's because you only meet under the influence and the rest of us dirty skanks are obviously worse then you so must be permanently bladdered to be on here and (shock horror) showing our faces and bits to complete strangers on the internet before having consensual and satisfying sex with them!

Right, must go now, I'm not sufficiently pissed to be here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Think it's bed time for you

you."

Oooooo ctm...

I think she is rather to domm for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have popped back in, I don't or will wish to read ur responses. Having sex with complete strangers may make u feel better, it wont in the long term. Cples who explore and venture into this will fail in the end. If u have such self low worth in urself and children, what the heck are u doing, it wont make issues go away, u may as well charge for sex. A meet is exciting,ask urself how it feels after when they are gone with the hangover to boot. It is worthless and so is the person uve met.

okay.. you need to stop trying to tell us how we feel.. We get that this lifestyle makes you shitty..

I never play and drink.. I actually cant remember the last time I had a hang over.. and you started this thread as you didnt like everyone telling you on the other one that actually your the only one here with low self esteem..

I have been where you are.. and guess what.. I STOPPED PLAYING.. and kept the social side of the lifestyle.. Met up with mates.. did other things. Sex when your wanting affection will never make you feel good.

You will just feel a high during and after they have gone sink into this downer that your now obviously feeling..

My meets are exciting... Some are not amazing.. but all are fun and NONE leave me feeling bad after..

Some result in friends that I would do anything for.. some just people I have a laugh with when I see them.. and occasionally people I have to try and avoid ever playing with again. but it all adds to the fun

This lifestyle is so not for you.... And why you think couples that do this will eventually fail... trust me.. I know some of the vanilla couples I help that if I could suggest this lifestyle to them that perhaps they would be good.

Stop trying to tell others they MUST have low esteem just because you have obviously not found what your looking for..

I dont do meaningless worthless sex... I have fun adventures mostly with friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP things are obviously not going well with you. You are seeking comfort, not finding it in your own personal choices and lashing out at others in your pain. Cuddles will rarely be found in fuck and go meets....if you desire more it is surely there but it is better sought with dignity and sobriety. Put down the bottle and say night night.....tomorrow will be brighter I hope.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

okay.. you need to stop trying to tell us how we feel.. We get that this lifestyle makes you shitty..

You will just feel a high during and after they have gone sink into this downer that your now obviously feeling..

My meets are exciting... Some are not amazing.. but all are fun and NONE leave me feeling bad after..

Stop trying to tell others they MUST have low esteem just because you have obviously not found what your looking for..

I dont do meaningless worthless sex... I have fun adventures mostly with friends.

But she obviously does

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By *smCouple
over a year ago

Liskeard

Honey I'm 46 been through two marriages one abusive and I have more self respect for my self in my little finger than you have for your fellow human beings

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Say bye bye children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?"

.........that made me chuckle

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?

.........that made me chuckle

Just being honest, if a girl douched on my curtains and drank all my brandy (that I was saving for a lonely night and The Notebook on dvd) I'd be pissed as hell also!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be Alive and filled with Love

Another one that's been at the cooking sherry.

Shit have I got to pretend to be d*unk to save face

lol

The lady's been moaning on about how we're all no good evil sinners who don't know how to love ourselves... just thought she needed a little bit of sermonising

After my msg I believe she's been healed! The holy sexy spirit has entered into her vagina and shown her how to respect herself... go girl!!!

AMEN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But she obviously does

agreed and now is lashing out at all of us that enjoy and find friendship and more meaningful things out of this lifestyle.

I always refuse to play with d*unk people. To be honest I love the fet meets as at the ones I now attend DRINK is not allowed AT ALL.. its great..

but then my last d*unken fuck was many many many years ago... and I would never ever meet and fuck someone that I didnt think worshipped me.. ( well at least for the time he was between my legs)

And I am lucky that the friends I have on here.. have helped me find more respect for myself..and even stopped me being such a hard cold bitch..( but shhhhhhhhhhhh dont tell anyone)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?

.........that made me chuckle

Just being honest, if a girl douched on my curtains and drank all my brandy (that I was saving for a lonely night and The Notebook on dvd) I'd be pissed as hell also!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She ait reading the replies......logged off 3 mins ago...

I can hear the snoring from here ,thought it was thunder

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?"

Hmmmm..... how do you know this inside info....

Admit it... You were the meet weren't you??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to follow your threads and i'm going to repeat that i just got in from a great fuck.

If there is one type of people i hate. It's those who are patronising and take the moral high ground, especially when they're doing the same thing. You may think you know it all - but all you're doing is showing your true colours.

Now, many may say your d*unk or whatever. For me, that's no excuse. It may be a truth syrum but if you can't handle your drink. Don't drink - not going to let you take it out on us.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry to disappoint, I have met a few studs all to be of expectations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She ait reading the replies......logged off 3 mins ago...

I can hear the snoring from here ,thought it was thunder

I told you she was healed

Let me hear you say Hallelujah!!

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By *issBehavingxxWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

"She ait reading the replies......logged off 3 mins ago...

I can hear the snoring from here ,thought it was thunder

I told you she was healed

Let me hear you say Hallelujah!!

I think you spoke too soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Sorry to disappoint, I have met a few studs all to be of expectations.

Oh does that make you a slut too then?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

what does that mean ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fck.............she,s woke up again

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yuck, good luck to u.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She ait reading the replies......logged off 3 mins ago...

I can hear the snoring from here ,thought it was thunder

I told you she was healed

Let me hear you say Hallelujah!!

I think you spoke too soon

Yes, I only got to the Hallel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yuck, good luck to u."

You really are going to look back over this in the morning and think OMG... did I really post all this..

I would honestly recommend some CBT treatments..and no I dont mean cock and ball torture before the perverts get excited.

If you are really feeling that bad about yourself.. that you need to put others down ( well try to) then seriously go talk to someone.. your gp is a good first port of call... and good luck to you.

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By *od6Woman
over a year ago

redcar

"what does that mean ?"

I just plain can't understand what the op is on about...

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"So really....

your pissed as a fart, the guy you met was crap in bed and probably got his rocks off,did his fly up and then buggered off and were the ones who are supposed to feel bad about it.

hmmmmmmmmm

Nnope nope nope nope ... I'm resisting the urge to comment.

Sod it: he wiped his cum on your curtains and drank the rest of your booze didn't he?

Hmmmm..... how do you know this inside info....

Admit it... You were the meet weren't you??

Ok,... I confess.. it was me! I wiped my cum on her curtains (she had no wipes, tissue or towels) and drank her booze (her vag was dryer than a camel's behind). I can't even say I fancied her... she made me wear a blind fold and forced me to shag her doggy. It was horrible... I kept drinking booze hoping I could get pissed, make some excuse and leave in the middle of the night and wake up at home convincing myself it was a nightmare

PS: She claws like crazy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She ait reading the replies......logged off 3 mins ago...

I can hear the snoring from here ,thought it was thunder

I told you she was healed

Let me hear you say Hallelujah!!

I think you spoke too soon

lol just my fucking luck... now I'm gonna have to crack out the erotic incense, tie her to the cross, and whip some Godly sense into her.

LOVE woman!! LOVE God dammit!!! In the name of the holy sexy spirit open that vagina woman!!! Let that Love in!!!

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

sudents get up about lunch time ...not sure what time the mature '43/54' ones get up to read the replies

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh I am on the ball, never batter an eyelid, riveted to my messages. Sorry but have to get some Zzzzzs as I have a family to look after in the morning. Wish u all well with ur hang over meaningless sex and great luck on feeling shit In the morning. Never say I told u so. Oh don't be surprised if he dosnt call, lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look

If its all "yuck" and you hate what you have been doing and you wont ever do IT again..............

Instead of trying to insult those of us who do enjoy the lifestyle....

Just leave and be done with it.........simples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck...it was my bleddy birthday an even I'm not that bad! Monday Club anyone??

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Fuck...it was my bleddy birthday an even I'm not that bad! Monday Club anyone??

"
Cooking sherry over there hic!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine ALWAYS CALL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She won't have a profile to look back on... Surely admin will delete her in the morning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck...it was my bleddy birthday an even I'm not that bad! Monday Club anyone??

deegirl will you please stop wobbling your fantastic tits in my face and then hiding your profile.. it's just meany weeny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how would my meets call.. I never give them my number

you know we have tried to help, but the only person that can help you is you... and I am only awake because I am still buzzing from the great meet I had with my even more amazing play partner..

Good luck with your life...

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

if who doesnt call ??? ive been sleeping with 3 different men off here for many years ...guess what ...we dont call each other ....if our paths collide we meet and have sex ..thatd how it works

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Aw is the show over? What time are you on tomorrow night? There's fuck all on the telly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the OP thought she was on a certain other site with fish in the name... and didnt realise that the aim was for sex... sometimes friendship but that guys and girls really may not even want to know names..

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"I think the OP thought she was on a certain other site with fish in the name... and didnt realise that the aim was for sex... sometimes friendship but that guys and girls really may not even want to know names..

Yup, that's about the size of it.

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By *ornyTattooedCoupleCouple
over a year ago

margate

she's gibe up wooooo

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By *ornyTattooedCoupleCouple
over a year ago

margate

I whole heartedly agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"she's gibe up wooooo

till the morning and the hang over sets in... and she realises what she has said... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck...it was my bleddy birthday an even I'm not that bad! Monday Club anyone??

deegirl will you please stop wobbling your fantastic tits in my face and then hiding your profile.. it's just meany weeny

I is sorry they can't help it,got a mind of they're own

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

I think she is projecting her own failures. Repeatedly mentioning being d*unk would indicate that is what she does on meets. Personally, if we met someone from here who proceeded to get pissed we would politely walk away.

If the OP is not d*unk then she is a wee bit disturbed at the moment.

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By *ornyTattooedCoupleCouple
over a year ago

margate

or until she can't resist the urge to have another peek at the replies ^_~

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

"I think she is projecting her own failures. Repeatedly mentioning being d*unk would indicate that is what she does on meets. Personally, if we met someone from here who proceeded to get pissed we would politely walk away.

If the OP is not d*unk then she is a wee bit disturbed at the moment. "

If this is what she's like when she did get a shag, imagine her reaction to being rejected even if it was for being pissed? Gosh, I'd hate to be anywhere in the same building!

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By *ornyTattooedCoupleCouple
over a year ago

margate

We don't mind they are magnificent =]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well its been entertaining

and now to bed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well its been entertaining

and now to bed

Im too full of beans after a amazing night and feeling so good...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck...it was my bleddy birthday an even I'm not that bad! Monday Club anyone??

deegirl will you please stop wobbling your fantastic tits in my face and then hiding your profile.. it's just meany weeny

I is sorry they can't help it,got a mind of they're own

Doh! And now I find out I'm too old to PM you! Grrr I'm like a moth to a light bulb here just whacking my head against the computer screen. Must touch boobies. Must touch boobies

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

[Removed by poster at 04/08/14 02:56:12]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well its been entertaining

and now to bed

Im too full of beans after a amazing night and feeling so good...

good on you cali ..if he doesnt speed dial you 3 times a day for the next week ..please put a thread up or i will your self self respect !!

I will I promise

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't mind they are magnificent =]"

Moi?!

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By *ornyTattooedCoupleCouple
over a year ago

margate

Yeap ^_~xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I take it her meet didn't go well then , or was no one brave enough to turn up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeap ^_~xx"

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I take it her meet didn't go well then , or was no one brave enough to turn up "

They turned up... but she ate them

along with some fava beans and a nice chianti

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I take it her meet didn't go well then , or was no one brave enough to turn up

They turned up... but she ate them

along with some fava beans and a nice chianti

Actually I think there might've been several chianti's involved lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah the joys of insomnia.Just read the OPs other thread and can I just had that this woman has an amazing skill. I have never come across so many posts that have been written in the slurry d*unken fart language. Read em back. Funny as!! Glad someone's thrown a blanket over her tho. Maybe now I'll get some sleep

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just trawled through the other thread on this subject. I'm sorry too be blunt, but 'attention seeking' springs to mind. If this site isn't for you, simply hit the 'delete profile' button. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but equally we don't need to be rude in the process. Personally, we don't meet 'faceless' profiles and wouldn't entertain anyone on this site without so much as one verification. Each to their own, this site is intended to be fun so if you're not getting it, simply hit that button!

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By *otsoSnowWhiteWoman
over a year ago

My Ice Castle! South Wales

"I have just trawled through the other thread on this subject. I'm sorry too be blunt, but 'attention seeking' springs to mind. If this site isn't for you, simply hit the 'delete profile' button. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but equally we don't need to be rude in the process. Personally, we don't meet 'faceless' profiles and wouldn't entertain anyone on this site without so much as one verification. Each to their own, this site is intended to be fun so if you're not getting it, simply hit that button!

Only briefly looked at the other thread and this one has had me in stitches. How is it its taken the OP a year to find out its not for her!?! Delayed reaction comes to mind! Judge all you want OP but it seems like it's been for the year or you would've left sooner. Maybe it's time to hit the delete button on not let the door handle hit you on the arse on the way out. Only a suggestion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yuck, good luck to u."

The only think yuck here is your attitude.

And you're the one with "mature" in your user name. How ironic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the clue is in the OP's Username..........It's fucking Sydney University!

They've finally completed their research and that was their conclusion. We're all unfulfilled, the sex is meaningless and empty and we'll all die alone.

Sounds good to me.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Life is what you make it this goes thru to the choices you make be it in swinging or do o turn left or right do i get married,divorced,have kids buy a pet... All choicesx in life so regretig them is a waste of time if you have self loathing issues then maybe fucking people aint for you

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

All I can really say is LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Repent your sins evildoers..someone needs a mummy hug

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By *a-ra-ra-boom-de-ayCouple
over a year ago

Wish it was the Algarve! Aberdeenshire

Op am I missing the point that you where not interested in reading or discussing our comments? So i would say go jog on & join the Jahova witnesses then you can air your opinions face to face with dirty nasty people like us! FFS

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow, angry woman (I think!) Why are you on here? Maybe get out a bit more and meet some people, have a bit of fun, let your hair down? You never know, you might enjoy yourself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just point out that monogamy is really a modern social requirement, in nature the "couple" is a rarity, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.

So what if some people choose to enjoy some more of a primitive pastime, and I can't call the kettle as I'm the pot there!

Judging and preaching will only lead to suffering, I'm not one for telling others what to do, but surely some lessons have to be learned the hard way.

I hope whatever is next for you is more fulfilling than your time here, but maybe some focus on yourself and not others is more worthwhile right now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought. People will treat you accordingly depending on how you view

yourself. If have low self esteem low andfeelings of worth then you will attract a certain type of man.

If you can't love yourself, how do expect anyone else too.

At nearly 40, I am feeling fantastic. Never been so self assured or confident.in my own skin. I don't meet strangers for sex. I have sex with friends that have been built up through weeks of chat and coffee. I look for friends, if they come with benefits great! If not. Then I have a friend.

Maybe set your bar higher

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How strange. Agree OP is on the sherry and has no idea what swinging is about.

The friendship, the open dialog, the playtime. Not has a hangover for decades, rarely drink at all now.

I think she needs help.

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By *dventuroususCouple
over a year ago

sunderland

Sobered up yet op.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok now i ave the hump, Why didnt some bugger wake me up for this one eh?

Grumpy Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have some alka seltza if anyone needs it.....not naming names!!!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Reading this feels a bit like rubbernecking at a car crash. I feel a bit dirty. Not in a good way. I wish I had driven on by.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

That will teach me to go to sleep early

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wrong forum! Mumsnet is where you want to be

Some punctuation would help as well!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And a very good morning to all...

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By *qua vitaeWoman
over a year ago

Shropshire/Midlands

Indeed. An attention seeker, who's d*unk, projecting her insecurities, attitude and low confidence/self-esteem onto us and wanting to pick a fight...

Either this site isn't for you, or best start off with a new profile and attitude. Having a profile for over a year without any verifications nor friends, as well as lying about your age, will undoubtedly attract the men you are complaining about.

Having goes at other fab members isn't the answer. If you have issues, go to your GP or see a councillor, rather than use the bottle to smother your troubles and the fab forum to air out your outbursts, because they'll only be there in the morning and you're only hurting yourself.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Whoops. Very unfortunate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP things are obviously not going well with you. You are seeking comfort, not finding it in your own personal choices and lashing out at others in your pain. Cuddles will rarely be found in fuck and go meets....if you desire more it is surely there but it is better sought with dignity and sobriety. Put down the bottle and say night night.....tomorrow will be brighter I hope....."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The OP appears to be unable to distinguish between a site that provides NSA sex and one providing future lifelong loving companions.

I feel for her; but physical gratification without emotional involvement is perfectly acceptable and no reason for anyone to be ashamed or upset.

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