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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ? "Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. Z | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ? "Who would you expect to take this military action? | |||
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"I would build 2 massive walls with a 100 metre 'no mans land' between Palestine and Israel. The Israelis cannt do land grab and Hamas cannot tunnel!" The Israelis have given away land rich in oil to Egypt to make peace and out of the 4 main aggressors against them it's the Palestinians who are perpetuating the war - they have sowrn to carry on killing until all the Jews are dead - hows that for a 'peaceful' religion? Z | |||
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"Why Israel? Why not Hamas? Nobody ever considers the hundreds of rockets fired at Israel by Hamas or the children used as human shields by the Palestinians for years. I am much more concerned about Ebola and the dangers that brings" Quite agree, Z | |||
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"Love to, but they got nukes and probably sick enough to use them " If we were attacked wouldn't we retaliate? Z | |||
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"Why should we send in our troops to fight a war that has been raging for years and has got nothing to do with us? We have lost enough of them fighting wars that have nothing to do with us. A trade embargo would hurt them a lot more. " I'm not sure if a trade embargo would really make any diference - do they export much and how much do they import? Z | |||
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"I'm not pro Israeli and Deffonatly not pro Hamas !!!! Just thinking out loud the unthinkable to stop the killing ! Another suggestion the United Nations occupy gaza ? "Until the Palestians decide to stop the killing nothing will work. Z | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. " Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... " Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z | |||
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"The roots of this conflict go back to the deal that set up the state of Israel, which was a deal actually brokered by Britain. That deal called for the then State of Palestine, internationally recognised as such, to cede territory for the formation of a second neighboring state, Israel. Once this was done, however, the international community then decided for whatever reason to cease recognition of the Palestinian state. Next came land grabs from the Israeli state. Now, hamas has a LOT to answer for in their actions past and present. They have, however, multiple times begged the UN as well as countries on an individual basis for the recognition of statehood that they were effectively stripped of. While i in no way condone the methods they turned to, if you push people far enough then actions like that aren't unexpected. It's gone on so long that it had now turned into offshoot segments who want nothing less than a full return to the once state of Palestine. The are, likewise, elements within Israel which do not want a resolution. And elements outside the conflict completely who will lose a lot of money if the conflict stops. "  | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z" Does that make it right for Israel to carry on murdering innocent children | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z" And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z" Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. " during the 2nd world war we also felt that the life of a British person was more important than the life of a German - we were at war - London was bombed and we bombed cities too inGermay - we decimated Dresden - if Israel stopped being attacked they wouldn't retaliate. Z | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying." The us aren't the only suppliers to Israel. America is not solely responsible for the ills of the world. And I'm betting that elements within America have also supplied hamas. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying." I think they'd be exactly the same to be honest. Z | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. " if your thoughts are ethical why have hamas built a network of tunnels so they can ambush the israelis. Lets not forget that the abduction and murder of 3 israeli teenagers started this war. | |||
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Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. Z" | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. during the 2nd world war we also felt that the life of a British person was more important than the life of a German - we were at war - London was bombed and we bombed cities too inGermay - we decimated Dresden - if Israel stopped being attacked they wouldn't retaliate. Z" | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. if your thoughts are ethical why have hamas built a network of tunnels so they can ambush the israelis. Lets not forget that the abduction and murder of 3 israeli teenagers started this war. " | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. during the 2nd world war we also felt that the life of a British person was more important than the life of a German - we were at war - London was bombed and we bombed cities too inGermay - we decimated Dresden - if Israel stopped being attacked they wouldn't retaliate. Z" Not quite true. Loss of life was always carefully calculated and weighed. It still is. Plus, we now have the technology to use surgical strikes more effectively. Israel does have the ability to be more effective and limit collateral damage, they simply choose not to. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z" Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews" That isn't what I meant! I meant if we were attacked - ie. the UK we'd fight back. lol - love the 'run by jews' comment - Z | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews" Oh dear. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. " Pretty much my feelings, as well. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. " My thoughts exactly! Z | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. " | |||
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"The roots of this conflict go back to the deal that set up the state of Israel, which was a deal actually brokered by Britain. That deal called for the then State of Palestine, internationally recognised as such, to cede territory for the formation of a second neighboring state, Israel. Once this was done, however, the international community then decided for whatever reason to cease recognition of the Palestinian state. Next came land grabs from the Israeli state. Now, hamas has a LOT to answer for in their actions past and present. They have, however, multiple times begged the UN as well as countries on an individual basis for the recognition of statehood that they were effectively stripped of. While i in no way condone the methods they turned to, if you push people far enough then actions like that aren't unexpected. It's gone on so long that it had now turned into offshoot segments who want nothing less than a full return to the once state of Palestine. The are, likewise, elements within Israel which do not want a resolution. And elements outside the conflict completely who will lose a lot of money if the conflict stops. " Well said. | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. " this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland ! | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland !" Internment , Bloody Sunday , the Black and Tans ? | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks. "bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well." What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z"I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well. What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria" The oh dear is what i was echoing. Israel aren't America, but that's another debate entirely. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well. What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria" It wasn't clear as you quoted my post and obviously that makes it look like you were responding to my post! Z | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z"What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction. | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland ! Internment , Bloody Sunday , the Black and Tans ?" Bloody Sunday... Yet another story greatly adapted by the media.. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Bloody Sunday wasn't what you hear in the news | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true. "I beg to differ - there are some basic and fundamental flaws in the comment! Z | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction.
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland ! Internment , Bloody Sunday , the Black and Tans ? Bloody Sunday... Yet another story greatly adapted by the media.. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Bloody Sunday wasn't what you hear in the news " Which Bloody Sunday in Ireland are you referring to ? There was more than one. | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks. "Christ! That is a remarkably well-informed post. What is it doing on the Fabs forums?  | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well. What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria The oh dear is what i was echoing. Israel aren't America, but that's another debate entirely. " Really? Do you know how many of the American governent, house of representatives, senate etc are Jewish? | |||
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"Religious wars- killing each other to see who has the best imaginary friend..." Quite, what we need is some kind of vanguardist revolution that seizes power and makes religions illegal. Possibly power could be administered by "worker's councils"....perhaps unite them all into one big... Oh, Wait... | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland ! Internment , Bloody Sunday , the Black and Tans ? Bloody Sunday... Yet another story greatly adapted by the media.. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Bloody Sunday wasn't what you hear in the news Which Bloody Sunday in Ireland are you referring to ? There was more than one. " the one you know I'm talking about. The one where our PM shamelessly apologized for as if it was a unprovoked attack by a pack of animals | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z And also because Israel seems Palestinian loss of life as Less important than israeli. The Israeli response is disproportionate, and the state of Israel would rather knowingly kill countless civilians than send soldiers to do what they are trained to do. Were the uk to operate the same policy, most of the world would raise up in outrage. this post is spot on ! Can you imagine the outrage if the UK had used the Israli tactics in Ireland ! Internment , Bloody Sunday , the Black and Tans ? Bloody Sunday... Yet another story greatly adapted by the media.. Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Bloody Sunday wasn't what you hear in the news Which Bloody Sunday in Ireland are you referring to ? There was more than one. " And let us not forget the atrocities in the first "troubles".... Butcher's apron indeed. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well. What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria The oh dear is what i was echoing. Israel aren't America, but that's another debate entirely. Really? Do you know how many of the American governent, house of representatives, senate etc are Jewish?" Well, I'm American and i study war and politics so i have a good idea of how things work, yeah. Lol | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true. "As you study it for a living, would it be fair to say that the land grabs by Jordan and Syria have been largely forgotten? If so, why would that be? | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction.
How sweetly naive, Z"Hhhmmm, other people can be just as well informed, or indeed moreso, than yourself and not reflect your point of view. The rather sanctimonious attitude which you seem to display doesn't change that. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Fight back against America? How? With what? Isreal is America. It is run by jews Oh dear. Pretty much my feelings, as well. What? 'Oh dear" or America is run by Jews? I was responding to the Ops question and who could possibly take on Isreal when basically they are Ameria The oh dear is what i was echoing. Israel aren't America, but that's another debate entirely. Really? Do you know how many of the American governent, house of representatives, senate etc are Jewish?" Lol. Do you? What an odd statement. Hollywood is fairly Jewish I suppose. The rest is uninformed. The majority of our government is not Jewish. Although there certainly are some. | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true.
As you study it for a living, would it be fair to say that the land grabs by Jordan and Syria have been largely forgotten? If so, why would that be?"Yes they have been forgotten, as has the sinking of a u.s. naval vessel by the state of Israel. The why is no big mystery, life moves on. How much does the average person pay attention to the state of affairs in gaza when a cease fire is in force? Think about ebola between outbreaks? Remember the genocide in rwanda? | |||
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"I'm not pro Israeli and Deffonatly not pro Hamas !!!! Just thinking out loud the unthinkable to stop the killing ! Another suggestion the United Nations occupy gaza ?
Until the Palestians decide to stop the killing nothing will work. Z" One of the most thought provoking quotes I have read concerning the conflict is "if the Palestinians stop attacking Israel, the war will cease to be. If the Israelis stop attacking Palestine, Israel will cease to be"
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction.
How sweetly naive, Z"Not naive. I know i joke around a lot on the forums. But, this is no joking matter (and i'm not saying that you think it is). It's not like we're discussing someone getting away with saying they have a few extra inches on their cock. This is something where we have to differentiate the fact from the fiction, the reality from the paranoia. Only then will we see what is really happening. | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true.
As you study it for a living, would it be fair to say that the land grabs by Jordan and Syria have been largely forgotten? If so, why would that be?
Yes they have been forgotten, as has the sinking of a u.s. naval vessel by the state of Israel. The why is no big mystery, life moves on. How much does the average person pay attention to the state of affairs in gaza when a cease fire is in force? Think about ebola between outbreaks? Remember the genocide in rwanda?"Life moves on would apply equally to all sides. Why is that not the case here? Why are atrocities committed by one side forgotten because " life moves on" but history can be churned over and manipulated in order to suit agendas against another side? And thank you, I do know about several genocides etc, I don't want to enter into a pissing contest, I just want to know why there are double standards being displayed according to someone who studies it for a living. | |||
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"I'm not pro Israeli and Deffonatly not pro Hamas !!!! Just thinking out loud the unthinkable to stop the killing ! Another suggestion the United Nations occupy gaza ?
Until the Palestians decide to stop the killing nothing will work. Z
One of the most thought provoking quotes I have read concerning the conflict is "if the Palestinians stop attacking Israel, the war will cease to be. If the Israelis stop attacking Palestine, Israel will cease to be"
I think there's a lot of truth in that."And would you carry on with the 8 year blockade and the illegal building settlements? as for un occupying gaza, israel would just bomb them like they bombed un school | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction.
How sweetly naive, Z
Not naive.
I know i joke around a lot on the forums. But, this is no joking matter (and i'm not saying that you think it is).
It's not like we're discussing someone getting away with saying they have a few extra inches on their cock. This is something where we have to differentiate the fact from the fiction, the reality from the paranoia. Only then will we see what is really happening.
"Fair enough - it's such a devisive topic and everyone must feel so much for the innocent children - from the outside it looks like it should be solvable and it is but both 'sides' need to want peace - let's pray it doesn't last for another 50 years, Z | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
I study it for a living, there is an opposing view to his statements but his statements are actually true.
As you study it for a living, would it be fair to say that the land grabs by Jordan and Syria have been largely forgotten? If so, why would that be?
Yes they have been forgotten, as has the sinking of a u.s. naval vessel by the state of Israel. The why is no big mystery, life moves on. How much does the average person pay attention to the state of affairs in gaza when a cease fire is in force? Think about ebola between outbreaks? Remember the genocide in rwanda?
Life moves on would apply equally to all sides. Why is that not the case here? Why are atrocities committed by one side forgotten because " life moves on" but history can be churned over and manipulated in order to suit agendas against another side?
And thank you, I do know about several genocides etc, I don't want to enter into a pissing contest, I just want to know why there are double standards being displayed according to someone who studies it for a living."Ok, history being manipulated which beats direct relevance to the conflict discussed, and as you are familiar with genocide, how often are people told that the holocaust of ww2 is 'the biggest holocaust in history'? Fact is, it's not. History is rehashed as suits a need at a particular time, and is often spun accordingly as needed. That is as much in domestic political interest as it is international balance of power politics. The agenda for such will vary on a case by case basis, as will the bias for spin. Double standards isn't necessarily the way I'd have termed it. And it does seem to me that's it's only being caked a double standard, in this particular case, if it is less supportive of Israeli actions. I am not after a passing contest either, hun. I've studied, I've questioned, and I've made my own decisions about how i feel, just as everyone else is welcome to do. I'm simply staying my side of things. | |||
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Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. Z"I thought it was the fact that the Israeli (not Jews) authorities decided to blockade the daily lives of Palestinians to a point where they don't see their life worth living and so are firing rockets into Israel who have decided to go an kill'em all! Being someone who has stood at the border into Gaza and seen what happens, the only solution would have to come from the Israelis who won't. Palestinians have to wait (usually two days) at the border. Can't bring in anything into Gaza. Half of Gaza has been cleared to build the security wall as a buffer zone. The costal area is guarded by the Israeli army too. So essentially their a 4km wide prison. The only thing that is stopping then from crushing the whole of Gaza is pressure from sound minded Israelis (and Jews around the world). | |||
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"I think many should keep an openmind on this and realise that Israel is not necessarily the victim in all this. You may speak of Hamas firing rockets at Israel but these rockets barely cause any damage to Israel nor have they killed anyone with these rockets. Israel has all these sophisticated technology that intercepts all these rockets anyway so they barely even land. This is a war that has been going on for years. It's not the Palestinians trying to kill the Jews. It's the Palestinians resisting living under occupation, living under siege, living in open air prison. What do you think they will do? Just sit there and watch their land being taken piece by piece. It's already been stolen. And saying it's against the Jews is not right either. it's the Zionists. Have you seen what comments they make about the Palestinians? How they disregard them as human beings but seen as insects that need to be crushed? How their MP's mention that all the mothers should be killed so they don't give birth to any more arabs. Have you seen how they sit and cheer on the hills and watch the massacre take place? All of this is just a drop in the ocean to what they really think of the Palestinians. No matter what anyone says - Israel is the one who is doing the wrongdoing. There's no humanity left in them. They are the ones planting the seeds of war in a land in which they lived together peacefully many years ago. ..so, let's not play the Israel is the victim card here. What a load of bollocks.
bits and pieces of some facts and half truths here - i think people really need to read more about the issue and what's been going on over there since the '40's - it's fascinating and better than just reading posts on facebook and headlines Z
What are the half truths? There's only truths and lies. You can't have anything in between. So, let's deal with the facts from the fiction.
How sweetly naive, Z
Not naive.
I know i joke around a lot on the forums. But, this is no joking matter (and i'm not saying that you think it is).
It's not like we're discussing someone getting away with saying they have a few extra inches on their cock. This is something where we have to differentiate the fact from the fiction, the reality from the paranoia. Only then will we see what is really happening.
Fair enough - it's such a devisive topic and everyone must feel so much for the innocent children - from the outside it looks like it should be solvable and it is but both 'sides' need to want peace - let's pray it doesn't last for another 50 years, Z"On that, we agree. | |||
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" Ok, history being manipulated which beats direct relevance to the conflict discussed, and as you are familiar with genocide, how often are people told that the holocaust of ww2 is 'the biggest holocaust in history'? Fact is, it's not. ... As far as I am aware, the only nation to "succeed" at genocide are the Brits. Define 'success' hun. I'm not being pissy, I'm trying to understand your comment. By that do though mean the complete destruction of a people? The vast majority? " Genocide is the complete destruction of a people. We managed just that in Tasmania (I think). We may also have managed it if you count separate tribes of North American "Indians" as separate peoples. I'm not aware of any other nation that has managed it. Which must put Britain into some separate league of cuntyness (which, of course is not a good thing), but essentially, I was illustrating your point. | |||
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" Ok, history being manipulated which beats direct relevance to the conflict discussed, and as you are familiar with genocide, how often are people told that the holocaust of ww2 is 'the biggest holocaust in history'? Fact is, it's not. ... As far as I am aware, the only nation to "succeed" at genocide are the Brits. Define 'success' hun. I'm not being pissy, I'm trying to understand your comment. By that do though mean the complete destruction of a people? The vast majority? Genocide is the complete destruction of a people. We managed just that in Tasmania (I think). We may also have managed it if you count separate tribes of North American "Indians" as separate peoples. I'm not aware of any other nation that has managed it. Which must put Britain into some separate league of cuntyness (which, of course is not a good thing), but essentially, I was illustrating your point. " Gotcha. Technically, Britain alone was not responsible for the genocide in North America. The Spanish, French, and later American governments also helped there..... With estimates of deaths as high as 100 million. Actually, I'm going to look up Britain and tasmania, that will be interesting to read about. | |||
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" Ok, history being manipulated which beats direct relevance to the conflict discussed, and as you are familiar with genocide, how often are people told that the holocaust of ww2 is 'the biggest holocaust in history'? Fact is, it's not. ... As far as I am aware, the only nation to "succeed" at genocide are the Brits. Define 'success' hun. I'm not being pissy, I'm trying to understand your comment. By that do though mean the complete destruction of a people? The vast majority? Genocide is the complete destruction of a people. We managed just that in Tasmania (I think). We may also have managed it if you count separate tribes of North American "Indians" as separate peoples. I'm not aware of any other nation that has managed it. Which must put Britain into some separate league of cuntyness (which, of course is not a good thing), but essentially, I was illustrating your point. Gotcha. Technically, Britain alone was not responsible for the genocide in North America. The Spanish, French, and later American governments also helped there..... With estimates of deaths as high as 100 million. Actually, I'm going to look up Britain and tasmania, that will be interesting to read about. " I've just checked and It was Tasmania I was thinking of. Er happy ( ? ) reading. | |||
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" Ok, history being manipulated which beats direct relevance to the conflict discussed, and as you are familiar with genocide, how often are people told that the holocaust of ww2 is 'the biggest holocaust in history'? Fact is, it's not. ... As far as I am aware, the only nation to "succeed" at genocide are the Brits. Define 'success' hun. I'm not being pissy, I'm trying to understand your comment. By that do though mean the complete destruction of a people? The vast majority? Genocide is the complete destruction of a people. We managed just that in Tasmania (I think). We may also have managed it if you count separate tribes of North American "Indians" as separate peoples. I'm not aware of any other nation that has managed it. Which must put Britain into some separate league of cuntyness (which, of course is not a good thing), but essentially, I was illustrating your point. Gotcha. Technically, Britain alone was not responsible for the genocide in North America. The Spanish, French, and later American governments also helped there..... With estimates of deaths as high as 100 million. Actually, I'm going to look up Britain and tasmania, that will be interesting to read about. I've just checked and It was Tasmania I was thinking of. Er happy ( ? ) reading. " Lol, it's knowledge that will come in handy..... similar to that the uk is the only country so far too have had a successful counter insurgency operation. Malaya, i believe. | |||
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"Someone mentioned about solutions. Now, i don't mean to be rude to anyone but we're just some Tom, Dick and Harry who's not involved at all to what is happening in Palestine at the moment. Yes, our hearts and minds are connected but when it comes to a solution. We won't be of much help. Why do i say this? We aren't the ones who have had our families totally anhillated. We aren't the ones who have lost our homes and our businesses that we built from scratch with our own hands. We aren't the ones who are dealing with all this. The mentality surely changes if one is involved in the conflict. Only yesterday a baby had to be buried by a stranger because every member of its family had been killed and no one left to bury them. Remember the baby who was born from its dead mother that i mentioned this other day? That baby died when Israel shelled Gaza's only power plant causing the incubator to stop working which was the sole way of keeping the baby alive. Now, a whole nation going through all this - what would be their reaction and what solution would they want? We can talk about rockets not being fired anymore. We can talk about a ceasefire. We can talk about all this. But we aren't the nation that has lost it's land and it's families generations after generations. A solution will have to come from them to what it is they want. And for now, they have mentioned all they want is for their siege to be over, open the border crossings and just let them live. Now, if Israel doesn't want anything to do with that but continue keeping Gaza under siege and keep building all these illegal settlements - it appears to be them who do not want to find a solution and are asking for trouble. " someone speaks sense | |||
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"Someone mentioned about solutions. Now, i don't mean to be rude to anyone but we're just some Tom, Dick and Harry who's not involved at all to what is happening in Palestine at the moment. Yes, our hearts and minds are connected but when it comes to a solution. We won't be of much help. Why do i say this? We aren't the ones who have had our families totally anhillated. We aren't the ones who have lost our homes and our businesses that we built from scratch with our own hands. We aren't the ones who are dealing with all this. The mentality surely changes if one is involved in the conflict. Only yesterday a baby had to be buried by a stranger because every member of its family had been killed and no one left to bury them. Remember the baby who was born from its dead mother that i mentioned this other day? That baby died when Israel shelled Gaza's only power plant causing the incubator to stop working which was the sole way of keeping the baby alive. Now, a whole nation going through all this - what would be their reaction and what solution would they want? We can talk about rockets not being fired anymore. We can talk about a ceasefire. We can talk about all this. But we aren't the nation that has lost it's land and it's families generations after generations. A solution will have to come from them to what it is they want. And for now, they have mentioned all they want is for their siege to be over, open the border crossings and just let them live. Now, if Israel doesn't want anything to do with that but continue keeping Gaza under siege and keep building all these illegal settlements - it appears to be them who do not want to find a solution and are asking for trouble. "Well said. And a very good point. But when you talk about what they want, you leave out the complete destruction of the state of Israel. A stated desire that they do not waver from. This muddies the water of who is the most in the wrong and certainly doesn't give the other side any incentive to freely walk among them. If you were calling for my complete destruction at any cost, I am certainly not going to invite you in. | |||
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"Haven't really read through it all so might have already been said. But shouldn't we be helping isreal? Well probably not as they are doing a good enough job but we should be supporting them. Hamas is the problem here. I could write for ages about the matter. Just stop being fooled by the media. Hamas is the problem take them away from the equation and there is no fighting. Isreal has spent millions on anti-rocket systems to protect there population. Palestine has spent millions building tunnels into isreal so hurt and damage the isreal land. That should say it all" | |||
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"Someone mentioned about solutions. Now, i don't mean to be rude to anyone but we're just some Tom, Dick and Harry who's not involved at all to what is happening in Palestine at the moment. Yes, our hearts and minds are connected but when it comes to a solution. We won't be of much help. Why do i say this? We aren't the ones who have had our families totally anhillated. We aren't the ones who have lost our homes and our businesses that we built from scratch with our own hands. We aren't the ones who are dealing with all this. The mentality surely changes if one is involved in the conflict. Only yesterday a baby had to be buried by a stranger because every member of its family had been killed and no one left to bury them. Remember the baby who was born from its dead mother that i mentioned this other day? That baby died when Israel shelled Gaza's only power plant causing the incubator to stop working which was the sole way of keeping the baby alive. Now, a whole nation going through all this - what would be their reaction and what solution would they want? We can talk about rockets not being fired anymore. We can talk about a ceasefire. We can talk about all this. But we aren't the nation that has lost it's land and it's families generations after generations. A solution will have to come from them to what it is they want. And for now, they have mentioned all they want is for their siege to be over, open the border crossings and just let them live. Now, if Israel doesn't want anything to do with that but continue keeping Gaza under siege and keep building all these illegal settlements - it appears to be them who do not want to find a solution and are asking for trouble.
Well said. And a very good point. But when you talk about what they want, you leave out the complete destruction of the state of Israel. A stated desire that they do not waver from. This muddies the water of who is the most in the wrong and certainly doesn't give the other side any incentive to freely walk among them. If you were calling for my complete destruction at any cost, I am certainly not going to invite you in. "You have a very good point. Frankly, Israels actions seem to many to show that it wants a complete destruction of Palestine. It's a very complex situation and really there are, as i stated earlier, factions involved which further complicate the situation. I believe the demand you speak of came from hamas? Hamas is one actor but isn't the actual voice of the Palestinian people. Their voice is lost because people listen to hamas or to Israel. | |||
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"Not all Palestinians are Hamas..... Ordinary Palestinian people are being murdered by Israel's campaign ..... Yep - because Hamas are using them as human shields Z" And we're those kids being used as human shields when they were blown to bits on a beach? | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying." They'd be fuck all without the yanks | |||
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"While people condemn the Israeli "blaming" of Gaza for the actions of Hammas, it is conveniently forgotten that Egyptian foreign policy also stops the entry of aid to Gaza as it is worried over security issues and help to Hammas " And because it was given oil rich land from Israel. Politics is twisted. You do have a point about the double barricade, though. | |||
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"In a nutshell. Effectively this is what has happened in a land we now call Israel. I'd be Israel, and you (the reader) can be the Palestinians. So, you have a beautiful five bedroom house and have never had any problems with your neighbours or anyone else for that matter. I turn up, and i tell you 'sorry, this five bedroom house of yours is now mine. You might as well get your things and move out, because it's mine now'. Now, i don't want to seem like a complete animal so i tell you 'no worries, you don't have to leave completely. You can stay in the bathroom and in the toilet and these are the only two places where you can be'. To make things worse. I tell you 'now, if you want to go outside the toilet. You cannot unless i give you permission. And even then, it's my choice if i want to let you go through or not'. Now, even though this was your house originally. It no longer is. It's mine now. And if there's something you want to do in this place that you once called home, you'd have to go through me first. May not be the best example but that's what's happened when Mr Balfour told those that wanted a state of Israel that 'go on this land is yours now, do as you wish'. "No, this is pretty much as simple as you can get | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. They'd be fuck all without the yanks" Really ? Managed to destroy the armies of Egypt , Syria , Jordan Tho massively outnumbered These countries also had up to date weapons ! Hamas is intent on destroying the state of Israel , why would Israel not put up the barricades . | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. They'd be fuck all without the yanks Really ? Managed to destroy the armies of Egypt , Syria , Jordan Tho massively outnumbered These countries also had up to date weapons ! Hamas is intent on destroying the state of Israel , why would Israel not put up the barricades ."
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"And we're those kids being used as human shields when they were blown to bits on a beach?" Basically YES. as the Palestinians/Hamas had been given 2 hours warning that the ammunition stores on the beach were going to be hit. It was only then that kids were sent onto the beach....something backed up by UN spokesman | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. They'd be fuck all without the yanks Really ? Managed to destroy the armies of Egypt , Syria , Jordan Tho massively outnumbered These countries also had up to date weapons ! Hamas is intent on destroying the state of Israel , why would Israel not put up the barricades .
Read history - it was called the six day war!"what differance does it make what a war is called ? The "yanks" didn't fight it Israel did and yes it was six days to defeat far superior numbers of troops all of which had modern weapons So what is your point ? | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. They'd be fuck all without the yanks" Not as true once they became a nuclear power as it arguably was before that point. MAD pretty much ties American hands when dealing with another nuclear state, just as it does every other state. | |||
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"I liken Israel to a child that has been upset and lashes out at it`s aggressor whilst half hiding behind Mother USA`s skirt whilst Mother USA tries to sort the situation out. Would we not fight back if we were attacked? Z Yes but I don`t think Israel would be so bold if it didn`t have the bigger, more potent weapons the the USA are supplying. They'd be fuck all without the yanks Really ? Managed to destroy the armies of Egypt , Syria , Jordan Tho massively outnumbered These countries also had up to date weapons ! Hamas is intent on destroying the state of Israel , why would Israel not put up the barricades .
Read history - it was called the six day war! what differance does it make what a war is called ? The "yanks" didn't fight it Israel did and yes it was six days to defeat far superior numbers of troops all of which had modern weapons
So what is your point ?"That IS MY POINT. They whooped ass in 6 days without any help. | |||
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"There will always be wars as long as there is a arms industry, "No profit in peace"" BULL SHIT!!! its fucking religion not tony stark selling guns.. | |||
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"Wonder if once Iran has nuclear capabilities which may at the least check mate Israel's nuclear threat there may be a shift is attitudes and aggression of Israel...maybe a Cold War scenario with lots of muscle flexing and no actual spilling of blood. ..." I actually voiced that very 'mini cold war' scenario to a group of academics in March and they looked at me like i was nuts. It's a possible scenario, though it's complicated by states like saudi and how they react. | |||
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"Surely you mean Palenstine. The Arabs always seem to be the ones who start the conflict." Thats rich coming from somebody from these islands. History not your strong subject? | |||
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"I'm not pro Israeli and Deffonatly not pro Hamas !!!! Just thinking out loud the unthinkable to stop the killing ! Another suggestion the United Nations occupy gaza ?
Until the Palestians decide to stop the killing nothing will work. Z
One of the most thought provoking quotes I have read concerning the conflict is "if the Palestinians stop attacking Israel, the war will cease to be. If the Israelis stop attacking Palestine, Israel will cease to be"
I think there's a lot of truth in that."No, there isn't. Palestine does not have the ability to destroy Israel. | |||
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"Surely you mean Palenstine. The Arabs always seem to be the ones who start the conflict. Thats rich coming from somebody from these islands. History not your strong subject?" I am generally pro Israel but in fairness the Arabs have not always started the conflict. | |||
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"as some said earlier, since man has evolved on this earth there has been conflict , greed, and the lust for power are traits of the human nature , it,s not just gaza where attrocites are happening , it,s sad , but this is the way it has always been and pretty sure always will be, " | |||
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"as some said earlier, since man has evolved on this earth there has been conflict , greed, and the lust for power are traits of the human nature , it,s not just gaza where attrocites are happening , it,s sad , but this is the way it has always been and pretty sure always will be,
"True but less than 300 years ago there was war in Great Britain between opposing factions. Now they get settled at sporting fixtures. We should not give up trying for peace just because man is inherently a violent animal | |||
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"There should be a stop to major arms and financial support to israel imo, as they wield power that is too great for their size that is too freely used. If this was any other nation they would long ago have had major sanctions. It is distressing to see the loss of life on both sides, but there seems to be a thirst for revenge that is unsettling. They hold a get out of jail card that is over used, and they are not a meek nor weak country. The world needs to help keep their power within bounds now, and they should be held to account. " I didn't know that Israel received financial aid and there's no way you'd be able to stp arms from being sold to them - it would carry on illegaly. And as for the size of the state - what difference does that make? Great Britain once ruled most of the world! Z | |||
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"And we're those kids being used as human shields when they were blown to bits on a beach? Basically YES. as the Palestinians/Hamas had been given 2 hours warning that the ammunition stores on the beach were going to be hit. It was only then that kids were sent onto the beach....something backed up by UN spokesman" Really. Which un spokesman was this? Do you think the Israeli army would be stupid enough to give Hamas 2 hours notice to move any equipment if they thought there'd actually be any? Btw what ammunition, there was nothing there. Also, were the CNN journalists also offering themselves as human shields as they'd been playing football with these boys minutes before? 4 kids from a fishing family were gunned down on a beach. If another country did this then it'd be classed as a war crime. | |||
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"There should be a stop to major arms and financial support to israel imo, as they wield power that is too great for their size that is too freely used. If this was any other nation they would long ago have had major sanctions. It is distressing to see the loss of life on both sides, but there seems to be a thirst for revenge that is unsettling. They hold a get out of jail card that is over used, and they are not a meek nor weak country. The world needs to help keep their power within bounds now, and they should be held to account. " Nothing wrong with a country being powerful for its size. But I agree that the USA are irresponsible in sending billions each year to a country that sticks 2 fingers at them too. | |||
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"as some said earlier, since man has evolved on this earth there has been conflict , greed, and the lust for power are traits of the human nature , it,s not just gaza where attrocites are happening , it,s sad , but this is the way it has always been and pretty sure always will be,
True but less than 300 years ago there was war in Great Britain between opposing factions. Now they get settled at sporting fixtures. We should not give up trying for peace just because man is inherently a violent animal"no we should all strive for peace , but human nature wont allow it , where as some are willing to talk others only see bullets as the answer , others see there religion as there right to kill others from other religions and kill there own if you choose to worship the same got in a different way , some see powerful nations as the enemy of poorer ones , poor nations see wealth and want there share, and arms makers see customers on both sides | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. Z"The war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years! | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. ZThe war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years!"May 14, 1948 Israel, Founded | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. ZThe war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years!
May 14, 1948
Israel, Founded"lol - sorry - that was a conversation killer! But it does pay to know what you're talking about! Z | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. ZThe war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years!
The Jewish Arab conflict has been raging since Moses was a lad. There are numerous references to the Israelites being moved on around the middle east until the formation of a Zionist state. The deep rooted hatred is now defined by borders. My facts are correct as far as archaeology will permit!
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lol - sorry - that was a conversation killer! But it does pay to know what you're talking about! Z" | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. ZThe war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years!
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lol - sorry - that was a conversation killer! But it does pay to know what you're talking about! Z"It does indeed, pay to have such knowledge. And he is correct that the area where the current conflict is happening has seen many cycles of conflict along religious it ethnic lines for a very very long time prior to the formation of Israel as a state. I took it, perhaps in error, that he was saying that the roots of the current conflict are actually much deeper than had been discussed here... which is arguably true. | |||
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"I know this sounds unthinkable but I am beginning to wonder ?
Why? This is a war that has been raging since the '40's and until the palestinians decide to stop trying to kill all the Jews nothing will change. ZThe war has been "ranging" for about 4,000 years!
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lol - sorry - that was a conversation killer! But it does pay to know what you're talking about! Z
It does indeed, pay to have such knowledge. And he is correct that the area where the current conflict is happening has seen many cycles of conflict along religious it ethnic lines for a very very long time prior to the formation of Israel as a state. I took it, perhaps in error, that he was saying that the roots of the current conflict are actually much deeper than had been discussed here... which is arguably true. "The roots of the current conflict are ancient in origin. The latest escalation is just a symptom of the fact that the Israelites have been wondering in the desert until 1948 when the annexed (part) of Palestine. The conflict will only end when all sides recognise the legitimacy of the other. Politics plays a heavy hand in the current carnage being enacted in so far as states like Egypt, Jordan and Saudi have no interest in the Palestinian cause as they see organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah as destabilising splinter groups. In other words its a cluster fuck with no real chance of being resolved in my lifetime. | |||
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"If most people cared about all other people as much as the jingoists and zealots care about their own particular people, the world could change for sure. " Sadly you are right it seems that many religious groups seem more keen on their on interests than the rest I guess in some eyes not everyone is equal. | |||
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"If most people cared about all other people as much as the jingoists and zealots care about their own particular people, the world could change for sure. Sadly you are right it seems that many religious groups seem more keen on their on interests than the rest I guess in some eyes not everyone is equal. "In most eyes it would seem. I feel the same way about so called Patriots. We spend so much time dividing ourselves up and focusing on our differences in an almost fervent way. I believe this is an intentional manipulation on regular people by those in power that has been going on since the dawn of mankind. Keeps us firmly focused on all the wrong things so the power and control can remain exactly where it is. | |||
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