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"Is it rice wine?" Lol Erm Unless I spelled it wrong it's some relaxation thing .... I think .... I'm having it tomorrow as a guinea pig for a friend | |||
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"Reiki, yes I had it done a few years ago. It was very relaxing. Go with an open mind and just enjoy." Ok great thanks she is coming to mine x | |||
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"Reiki, yes I had it done a few years ago. It was very relaxing. Go with an open mind and just enjoy. Ok great thanks she is coming to mine x" The owner of the salon near where I used to work would hire a room out to a lady who did Reiki, reflexology and a few other thing that I forget. I just went to find out what it was like really. It was at a time where a family member was in hospital with cancer and I have to say I found it very relaxing. Enjoy  | |||
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"I'm a qualified practitioner, should help you feel a bit more relaxed if nothing else , enjoy . X"Thanks guys . I am truly stressed right now so this really may help ! | |||
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"my grandma was a faith healer - have been told by a reiki master i have the whatever too - have memories of my gran laying hand above a knee injury and feeling the warmth flow through me " Wow ! | |||
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"my grandma was a faith healer - have been told by a reiki master i have the whatever too - have memories of my gran laying hand above a knee injury and feeling the warmth flow through me Wow !" i was very young so didnt know what she was at - just having a look at my poorly knee- only since then and knowing more i knew | |||
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"Is it rice wine? Lol Erm Unless I spelled it wrong it's some relaxation thing .... I think .... I'm having it tomorrow as a guinea pig for a friend "  I was thinking of saki,close enough lol | |||
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"Is it rice wine? Lol Erm Unless I spelled it wrong it's some relaxation thing .... I think .... I'm having it tomorrow as a guinea pig for a friend I was thinking of saki,close enough lol "Or raki or whatever it's called from turkey | |||
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"Its a bit like wifi, it is sent through the air, so we could all be drenched with it penetrating us right now. Ive had it but am very sceptical about all new age treatments. " I'm having it tonight so will report back lol | |||
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"Is it rice wine? Lol Erm Unless I spelled it wrong it's some relaxation thing .... I think .... I'm having it tomorrow as a guinea pig for a friend I was thinking of saki,close enough lol
Or raki or whatever it's called from turkey "That could be it | |||
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"Is it rice wine? Lol Erm Unless I spelled it wrong it's some relaxation thing .... I think .... I'm having it tomorrow as a guinea pig for a friend I was thinking of saki,close enough lol
Or raki or whatever it's called from turkey
That could be it "Tastes like aniseed gets you plastered | |||
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"My auntie is qualified at reiki and has done it on me and I found it great. Like others say an open mind is key..." I shall open my mind . | |||
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"Ever had it ? " Yes. That followed by Indian head massage. Highly recommend both. X | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen...." welcome to the other side.. | |||
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"I was a total sceptic about all things like this until I looked into it a lot more and have hone from "its all nonsense" to reikie practitioner and I'd highly recommend anyone trying it Even the die hard sceptics amongst us x" It's in most respects harmless the treatment will relax however there is no energy transfer. any benifit is placebo. | |||
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"I was a total sceptic about all things like this until I looked into it a lot more and have hone from "its all nonsense" to reikie practitioner and I'd highly recommend anyone trying it Even the die hard sceptics amongst us x It's in most respects harmless the treatment will relax however there is no energy transfer. any benifit is placebo." so how can people unaware of what's going on feel the benefit - as i said before i was very young when i had this done to me not idea at all what was being done | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen...." Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common. | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen.... Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common." I saw a lot of Orange and green. It also felt like someone was holding my feet at one point, even though the reiki lady was stood at my head! Definitely a 'different' experience and definitely something I'd do again simply for the relaxation. | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen.... Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common. I saw a lot of Orange and green. It also felt like someone was holding my feet at one point, even though the reiki lady was stood at my head! Definitely a 'different' experience and definitely something I'd do again simply for the relaxation." Orange is related to sexuality and Green to love
As for holding your feet I won't espouse any theories on what that might be | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen.... Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common. I saw a lot of Orange and green. It also felt like someone was holding my feet at one point, even though the reiki lady was stood at my head! Definitely a 'different' experience and definitely something I'd do again simply for the relaxation. Orange is related to sexuality and Green to love
As for holding your feet I won't espouse any theories on what that might be "That's tentative theory by the way not definitive. | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen.... Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common. I saw a lot of Orange and green. It also felt like someone was holding my feet at one point, even though the reiki lady was stood at my head! Definitely a 'different' experience and definitely something I'd do again simply for the relaxation. Orange is related to sexuality and Green to love
As for holding your feet I won't espouse any theories on what that might be "I was told it was my guardian angel, at that point I switched off.... The colours I mostly put down to my aural synaesthesia. | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen.... Not an unusual experience at all with Reiki. Yellow light is very common. I saw a lot of Orange and green. It also felt like someone was holding my feet at one point, even though the reiki lady was stood at my head! Definitely a 'different' experience and definitely something I'd do again simply for the relaxation. Orange is related to sexuality and Green to love
As for holding your feet I won't espouse any theories on what that might be
I was told it was my guardian angel, at that point I switched off....
The colours I mostly put down to my aural synaesthesia."Quite likely the latter. Although different colours have meaning depending on spiritual tradition. | |||
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"Hmmm Although the environment is relaxing the actual premise of non body contact , healing and ailment diagnosis is nonsense " You can do hands on or hands off Reiki. Each to their own though, I'm a qualified practitioner & Bo still calls it "Hey n_nny n_nny nonsense" . | |||
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"From the same site As a healer I enjoy inspiring and helping you to become the empowered, optimistic, healthy and happy individual that you wish to be. I believe true happiness comes from the freedom to make choices and the freedom from fear. My aim is to bring that freedom into your life. Within a non judgmental healing environment I aim to provide you with the chance to honestly express your feelings and fears, and then give you the tools to take with you to continue your growth outside of the healing session. I am also very concerned about the standards of teaching and practicing in healing. I am a fully certified member of the CNHC and as such meet all criteria of the Reiki National Occupational standards. To this end I am dedicated to providing the highest standards of care and to creating a powerful and professional line of Reiki practitioners. I was trained as a Reiki Master, under the Usui System of Natural Healing, by one of the most renowned and respected masters in England. I was taught, and teach, the traditional form of Reiki including many Japanese techniques, as passed on by Dr. Usui and can trace my lineage back to him. I teach all levels of Reiki, from First Degree to Master Degree. I first began healing 17 years ago before choosing to study Reiki in 1996. Following a 2 1/2 year apprenticeship I am fully qualified as a Reiki Master and Teacher and insured with HPAI. Several years ago I was made aware of the presence of angels during healing sessions and to further my knowledge of them I then trained as a certified Angel Therapist Practitioner with Charles Virtue and hence now offer Angel Healing and Angel Card Readings. I also work with the Violet Flame which is a unique spiritual energy that can help in all areas of your life through the transformation of negative energy. I qualified as a Crystal Healer with a CMA registered school and also offer Crystal Healing Courses. As well as Reiki, angel healing and crystal healing I use my psychic and mediumistic abilities to bring about deep personal growth and emotional, mental, physical and spiritual health. I also specialise in chakra and aura healing, flower remedies, dowsing and visualisation. I believe that we are all the masters of our own lives and as such have the power and ability to shape our lives in the manner we choose. I have also completed a 4-year course in Classical Homoeopathy. I work and teach in Brighton, East Sussex. That's right angels crystals clairvoyancy Hmmmm SNAKE OIL " Lol, gotta cover all those bases | |||
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 The human body can sense and, therefore, respond to something without it touching your skin  Remember that feeling of stepping outdoors and not having a ceiling above your head? It's amazing how far away from our bodies we can sense if we really tune into it. Don't take my word for it...try it yourself
Distance healing, as in healing someone over the phone, hmmmm I'm deeply skeptical about that... but non-touching healing in close proximity is entirely feasible imo | |||
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"That's right humans have senses x We can feel the heat from the hand , not mystical healing energy . We can also hear echoes And see through closed eye lids Place ear protection and blindfold and a person has no idea what objects or ceiling s are around them Why rational concepts need to be corrupted to pretend majik exists is beyond me Bodies emit heat and can sense it its not new knowledge Certainly warmth is soothing just as I enjoy the heat of the sun a warm shower a warm naked lady xx but majik healing powers no Reiki as claimed is snake oil Reiki as a relaxed calm environment Absolutely . Lie in any warm room, soothing music gentle light , close your eyes , that will equal the effect And I do meditate and practice yoga and breathing and muscle control just no need for ethereal wishy washy make believe majik to have a positive effect x "I take it by your msg that you have tried Reiki and found it had no effect on you. All I can say is perhaps you should try a different practitioner. As with many other forms of complementary medicine you get some who earned a diploma after a weekend course and others who have earnestly studied and practiced it for years. So for you...what was the experience of having Reiki like? Did you just feel nothing? Did it have no positive effects at all? Did you notice no change in your health afterwards?  | |||
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"That's right humans have senses x We can feel the heat from the hand , not mystical healing energy . We can also hear echoes And see through closed eye lids Place ear protection and blindfold and a person has no idea what objects or ceiling s are around them Why rational concepts need to be corrupted to pretend majik exists is beyond me Bodies emit heat and can sense it its not new knowledge Certainly warmth is soothing just as I enjoy the heat of the sun a warm shower a warm naked lady xx but majik healing powers no Reiki as claimed is snake oil Reiki as a relaxed calm environment Absolutely . Lie in any warm room, soothing music gentle light , close your eyes , that will equal the effect And I do meditate and practice yoga and breathing and muscle control just no need for ethereal wishy washy make believe majik to have a positive effect x
I take it by your msg that you have tried Reiki and found it had no effect on you. All I can say is perhaps you should try a different practitioner. As with many other forms of complementary medicine you get some who earned a diploma after a weekend course and others who have earnestly studied and practiced it for years.
So for you...what was the experience of having Reiki like? Did you just feel nothing? Did it have no positive effects at all? Did you notice no change in your health afterwards? "Oh yes I have x 9 people my ex worked within the industry . And yes I can feel their body heat and smell their scent . | |||
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"Oh yes I have x 9 people my ex worked within the industry . And yes I can feel their body heat and smell their scent." Fair enough. Some people respond better to different forms of therapy. I've had someone do a very light energetic form of Reflexology on me and it just pissed me off. So I definitely prefer deeper massaging Reflexology. However...I was surprised by cranio-sacral massage. This old woman just ever so lightly touched a part of my skin and sat there touching it. I thought "this is a bit ridiculous"... but then suddenly all these forgotten childhood memories welled up out of nowhere. In the end the treatment was so hardcore I haven't done it since. I'm just not ready to deal with something as intense as that lol
I think, in future, you might be better off saying something like "I tried this and it did nothing for me so I think it's nonsense". Just pronouncing it "snake oil" makes you sound like a headstrong ideologue with an axe to grind...rather than the open minded person it seems you are | |||
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"There are more things in this Universe than any of us have experienced or thought of. Energies are one that few if any people experience in their fullness. Occram's razor can be overused in dismissing things because we have not experienced them yet "Actually what is overused is the absolute miss use of energy It's made up .zero basis for its use and a few reasons it should not be used x energy like it or not is simple and although is transmitted in a vast array of forms if it is energy it can be measured. The pseudo nonsense loves to pretend stuff exists but is undetectable . That maybe true if totally benign however claim it can impact upon matter and suddenly it can be measured . Claim an energy transfer by definition the given system will have more and can be measured . I'd suggest when the pseudo nonsense ,claim energy they are be disingenuous they don't mean energy by any recognised definition they mean ethereal made up majik but that does not sound so credible so they steal an established word and project nonsense upon it Oh I also was stress tested by the scientologist s .their silly machine also pretends to measure stress energy (stress is measured by the hormone cortisol) maybe blood pressure but not to steel electrodes they measured my electoral conductivity . Was kicked out after I illustrated they were being dishonest xx | |||
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"There are more things in this Universe than any of us have experienced or thought of. Energies are one that few if any people experience in their fullness. Occram's razor can be overused in dismissing things because we have not experienced them yet
Actually what is overused is the absolute miss use of energy
It's made up .zero basis for its use and a few reasons it should not be used x energy like it or not is simple and although is transmitted in a vast array of forms if it is energy it can be measured.
The pseudo nonsense loves to pretend stuff exists but is undetectable . That maybe true if totally benign however claim it can impact upon matter and suddenly it can be measured .
Claim an energy transfer by definition the given system will have more and can be measured .
I'd suggest when the pseudo nonsense ,claim energy they are be disingenuous they don't mean energy by any recognised definition they mean ethereal made up majik but that does not sound so credible so they steal an established word and project nonsense upon it"I take it you'd use the same argument to discredit the system of meridians, energy lines throughout the body, which acupuncture, kundalini meditation, and various other Eastern esoteric practices are based upon? And I take it you've tried each of them and found them all wanting too | |||
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"Yes and yes xx" Lol so I take it you're not a big advocate of acupuncture on the NHS | |||
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"I've had it. Initially it was more out of curiosity than anything else as I'm a massive cynic when it comes to those kinds of things. I really wasn't prepared for how amazing I felt afterwards. Totally relaxed and at peace and certain body parts which had been giving me pain felt better (short term at least). At one point I felt like I was in a trance and could see colours. Definitely worth doing, open your mind, relax and let it happen...." 
Seems very similar to the reki sessions I have had, I would recommend it. | |||
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"The sun went round the earth until some bright spark suggestex looking through a telescope. He was imprisoned for heresy. And so it is with all flat earth theorists. Doing the experiments is the only valid way to gain knowledge. Personal experience is a great teacher "Hmmm Scientific method and personal experience are a universe apart Personal experience is only convincing to they who experienced And objectively is meaningless The fact the human brain is a simulator of what it experienced and makes stuff up and fills gaps is collaborative with the vast array of personal experiences that defy all other experiment or investigation You maybe convinced you hear voices on a windy day however that is not convincing to anyone else I'll reiterate the fact that optical illusions exist and have been studied means stories from subjective personal experience carry no evidential weight as solitary incidents Science works with compound collaborative data to shade it's conclusions If personal experience had any credibility .All the human invented god myths as written would be true, angels would be true .The lady I conned to think a bracelet improved her balance would be wrong xx | |||
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"In the end much of modern science marginalises the human experience as irrelevant and meaningless to a definition of reality. To other thinkers, however, it seems obvious that we only know our own reality through our own experience i.e. that experience comes first and reality comes later. Therefore, to these thinkers, the human experience is paramount, the core of all reality, and in order for us to understand anything outside of that we first need to look through the human experience and see the universe in that light... rather than marginalise and ignore it. Ultimately it is ironic but Humanism devalues the human experience and, in that sense, is deeply inhumane as a belief system. The only reality that exists is your experience of it... so go and experience it "Nicely put | |||
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I looked up Taoism but thought it would be much more fun to put what I found here...
"A recurrent and important element of Taoism are rituals, exercises and substances aiming at aligning oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, at undertaking ecstatic spiritual journeys, or at improving physical health and thereby extending one's life, ideally to the point of immortality."
Lol sounds a bit like something you might call 'snake oil'
"Taoist cosmology is based on the School of Yin Yang... In this spirit, the universe is seen as being in a constant process of re-creating itself, as everything that exists is a mere aspect of qi."
Qi being cosmic energy... hmmm... am I detecting some cognitive dissonance between what your user name suggests you stand for and what you actually state you believe? lol
"It is believed that deeper understanding of the universe can be achieved by understanding oneself."
I mean... I believe much of what I've copy and pasted here... but you apparently don't Apologies if this seems a bit personal... but you have popped your head up a number of times to strongly contest various 'spiritual' points of view. I just find it ironic, considering your user name... and you did ask me to look up Taoism
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"So Taoist74 I looked up Taoism but thought it would be much more fun to put what I found here...
"A recurrent and important element of Taoism are rituals, exercises and substances aiming at aligning oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, at undertaking ecstatic spiritual journeys, or at improving physical health and thereby extending one's life, ideally to the point of immortality."
Lol sounds a bit like something you might call 'snake oil'
"Taoist cosmology is based on the School of Yin Yang... In this spirit, the universe is seen as being in a constant process of re-creating itself, as everything that exists is a mere aspect of qi."
Qi being cosmic energy... hmmm... am I detecting some cognitive dissonance between what your user name suggests you stand for and what you actually state you believe? lol
"It is believed that deeper understanding of the universe can be achieved by understanding oneself."
I mean... I believe much of what I've copy and pasted here... but you apparently don't Apologies if this seems a bit personal... but you have popped your head up a number of times to strongly contest various 'spiritual' points of view. I just find it ironic, considering your user name... and you did ask me to look up Taoism
Might I suggest a name change to Materialist74? "Materialist , tut I'm pretty much not materialist ! The difference is you believe some of taoist concepts are the truth And I understand them knowing that some truth does exist but then so does some bronze age superstition x Look back up and just remove the word spiritual I agree with most of the philosophical points . There are cosmic forces , light gravity, magnetic acceleration and yes I want to be in harmony with that x Yes I want exciting adventure holidays and to perpetually improve my health I aim for healthy longevity x Yes I reason a contently changing universe is plausible there is evidence So finished being personal ? Science is a process scientists are people with emotions and failings a personal view is only ever a reference to a single person By knowing ones self we can know we individually are unreliable and easily distracted biased thus compounding non self validating is required Meaning don't trust your eyes as you look to skys Simple example Pencil in glass of water x visual input alone would tell us bent pencil Ah majik That's pretty much the story many people can only see the bent majik pencil . We too can see the bent pencil and clap and wonder and cheer , but then we also have the truth .you wildly seem to wrongly assume we cannot understand the universe scientifically and have the emotional human sensations of awe. So yes I understand the tao but don't believe a word , I know some truth some nonsense and some ,who knows We observe to share to understand without judgment | |||
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"What other way is there to generate knowledge rigorously? To test a hypothesis, you perform an experiment following an agreed process, you experience the result and then study with others who also performed the experiment to disconfirm/confirm the theory. If there is sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis you can adopt it otherwise you adapt it and retest or abandon it. Personal experience, when tested with others who have performed the same experiment, is the basis for a rigourously tested hypothesis." That is science, yes. That is the point of science. Do you not accept other approaches? | |||
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"So Taoist74 I looked up Taoism but thought it would be much more fun to put what I found here...
"A recurrent and important element of Taoism are rituals, exercises and substances aiming at aligning oneself spiritually with cosmic forces, at undertaking ecstatic spiritual journeys, or at improving physical health and thereby extending one's life, ideally to the point of immortality."
Lol sounds a bit like something you might call 'snake oil'
"Taoist cosmology is based on the School of Yin Yang... In this spirit, the universe is seen as being in a constant process of re-creating itself, as everything that exists is a mere aspect of qi."
Qi being cosmic energy... hmmm... am I detecting some cognitive dissonance between what your user name suggests you stand for and what you actually state you believe? lol
"It is believed that deeper understanding of the universe can be achieved by understanding oneself."
I mean... I believe much of what I've copy and pasted here... but you apparently don't Apologies if this seems a bit personal... but you have popped your head up a number of times to strongly contest various 'spiritual' points of view. I just find it ironic, considering your user name... and you did ask me to look up Taoism
Might I suggest a name change to Materialist74?
Materialist , tut
I'm pretty much not materialist !
The difference is you believe some of taoist concepts are the truth
And I understand them knowing that some truth does exist but then so does some bronze age superstition x
Look back up and just remove the word spiritual I agree with most of the philosophical points . There are cosmic forces , light gravity, magnetic acceleration and yes I want to be in harmony with that x
Yes I want exciting adventure holidays and to perpetually improve my health I aim for healthy longevity x
Yes I reason a contently changing universe is plausible there is evidence
So finished being personal ?
Science is a process scientists are people with emotions and failings a personal view is only ever a reference to a single person
By knowing ones self we can know we individually are unreliable and easily distracted biased thus compounding non self validating is required
Meaning don't trust your eyes as you look to skys
Simple example
Pencil in glass of water x visual input alone would tell us bent pencil
Ah majik
That's pretty much the story many people can only see the bent majik pencil . We too can see the bent pencil and clap and wonder and cheer , but then we also have the truth .you wildly seem to wrongly assume we cannot understand the universe scientifically and have the emotional human sensations of awe.
So yes I understand the tao but don't believe a word , I know some truth some nonsense and some ,who knows
We observe to share to understand without judgment
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"What other way is there to generate knowledge rigorously? To test a hypothesis, you perform an experiment following an agreed process, you experience the result and then study with others who also performed the experiment to disconfirm/confirm the theory. If there is sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis you can adopt it otherwise you adapt it and retest or abandon it. Personal experience, when tested with others who have performed the same experiment, is the basis for a rigourously tested hypothesis. That is science, yes. That is the point of science. Do you not accept other approaches?" Of course I do | |||
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"What other way is there to generate knowledge rigorously? To test a hypothesis, you perform an experiment following an agreed process, you experience the result and then study with others who also performed the experiment to disconfirm/confirm the theory. If there is sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis you can adopt it otherwise you adapt it and retest or abandon it. Personal experience, when tested with others who have performed the same experiment, is the basis for a rigourously tested hypothesis. That is science, yes. That is the point of science. Do you not accept other approaches? Of course I do "Does feeling and emotion have an effect upon you? Or do you discount those as unscientific? | |||
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"What other way is there to generate knowledge rigorously? To test a hypothesis, you perform an experiment following an agreed process, you experience the result and then study with others who also performed the experiment to disconfirm/confirm the theory. If there is sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis you can adopt it otherwise you adapt it and retest or abandon it. Personal experience, when tested with others who have performed the same experiment, is the basis for a rigourously tested hypothesis. That is science, yes. That is the point of science. Do you not accept other approaches? Of course I do
Does feeling and emotion have an effect upon you? Or do you discount those as unscientific?"Feeling and emotion are more important to me personally than any scientific theory. All I was saying is spiritual experience can be studied scientifically if one so wishes and has been. Experiences some call hogwash or snake oil have been scientifically tested. For me personally I don't really give a crap about the science, the human experience of emotion and feeling are paramount. However science has its place and from a professional perspective that matters too | |||
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"What other way is there to generate knowledge rigorously? To test a hypothesis, you perform an experiment following an agreed process, you experience the result and then study with others who also performed the experiment to disconfirm/confirm the theory. If there is sufficient evidence to support the hypothesis you can adopt it otherwise you adapt it and retest or abandon it. Personal experience, when tested with others who have performed the same experiment, is the basis for a rigourously tested hypothesis. That is science, yes. That is the point of science. Do you not accept other approaches? Of course I do
Does feeling and emotion have an effect upon you? Or do you discount those as unscientific?
Feeling and emotion are more important to me personally than any scientific theory. All I was saying is spiritual experience can be studied scientifically if one so wishes and has been. Experiences some call hogwash or snake oil have been scientifically tested. For me personally I don't really give a crap about the science, the human experience of emotion and feeling are paramount. However science has its place and from a professional perspective that matters too "Scientifically tested and found wanting. | |||
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"I don't want this to get personal so please accept that I am really only interested in talking about ideas here. But everything I have heard come from you I would categorise as Scientific Materialism. Am I wrong? I'm really only trying to get down to the hub of what it is you believe. It would seem that you believe in things you can see and touch i.e. the physical body, cosmic rays, magnetic forces... things we can observe in one way or another. Physics. On the other hand it seems you cast doubt on that which we cannot observe i.e. the soul, the qi meridians in the body, the soul of the universe or, as I call it, god. You might even argue that consciousness is merely a series of chemical reactions and not something beyond that. You therefore seem at odds with Metaphysics. I would class someone who sees the world in this way as a Materialist... not a Consumerist... but a Scientific Materialist i.e. what you see is what you get... nothing more nothing less. Taoism, and most other esoteric disciplines, involve attempts to connect with what you derogatorily call 'majik' i.e. attempts to tune into energies and/or beings which exist in a metaphysical sense. You seem to be entirely at odds with that view of life... so much so that you make it your business to seek out any threads which discuss such things and make clear that you think they are bunkum. So... so far... based upon what I've read of your writings... I'm thinking Taoism is a bit of false advertising... it suggests a person who is gonna be spiritual and in tune with cosmic energies... whereas Materialist pretty much portrays where you are actually at philosophically. Would you disagree? "Disagree ? Yes I think I conclude contra to just about all the nonsense you write above x It seems you may have a narrow mind xx | |||
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"Example You claim I know nothing about cosmic energy ? I claim wind surfing as the sun sets on a lush cold sunny day riding waves into the sunset IS me linking literally with the energy of the universe .you keep forgetting we have energy in the real universe too xx" Ahh ok.. I get that... but that doesn't mean you believe in metaphysical forces... it would appear you don't. Concepts such as Qi suggest that the entire universe is a field of energy manifesting itself, perhaps consciously, into a physical form. You would agree with this only in so far as science can measure it... but you would disagree that qi inhabits meridians in our body because science has been unable to confirm that. Therefore your version of this is much more similar to getting a nice and highly enjoyable sun tan. Do you believe in negative ions effecting you around fountains? So I would suggest that you are a scientific materialist who enjoys being a scientific materialist. You don't need anything more or less to exist... you're happy with what science reveals to you and you have no need for any metaphysics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism I don't think you're a Taoist as Taoism is a spiritual path... and you don't believe in the spirit as the spirit is a metaphysical concept. You believe in feeling good because your body reacts to real things which effect it... but I'm suggesting that you don't believe in the spirit. I'm trying to understand where you're at philosophically... not make judgments about who you are or what kind of quality of life you enjoy | |||
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"As with all hokum pokum, you have to go with an 'open mind' because if you didn't you would see that it's total bollocks. Having an 'open mind' allows you to believe in all sorts of shit from fairies, to crystals, magic and the netherworld. Instead of having an 'open mind' have a logical one and save yourself the time and money on seeing someone who practices pseudo medicinal practices." but you can close your mind to things - like a stubbborn child refusing to try something new has already decided its horrid - | |||
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