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"I was under the impression taking your clothes off wasn't illegal in Itself. " I thought that it depended on the perception of the onlookers. Of they were offended by the nudity then it's an issue. | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her" But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah  ) | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )"lol yes we do I think,also kids could run home, " there is a pervert" which is not true I know, also frighten them. Her | |||
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"I was under the impression taking your clothes off wasn't illegal in Itself. I thought that it depended on the perception of the onlookers. Of they were offended by the nudity then it's an issue. " I get offended with people just about shagging in full view. You know the ones, tongues down each other's throats at the bus stop, groping each other...the ones where you think 'oh for fecks sake - get a ROOM!!!' They don't go on sex offenders register though. Being naked is natural. After all you come into the world naked. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register." Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment Gimp | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment Gimp" I didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway. | |||
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"When someone is offended by seeing someone naked, either about to swim or having just swam I would say that as a society we are literally screwed. Children learn that nudity is 'wrong' or 'dirty' when in fact it is not at all. Its the most natural thing in the world. Learning when to recognise danger is another skill altogether. . " But removing the ability for some deviants to excuse themselves and their actions is a positive isn't it? | |||
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"When someone is offended by seeing someone naked, either about to swim or having just swam I would say that as a society we are literally screwed. Children learn that nudity is 'wrong' or 'dirty' when in fact it is not at all. Its the most natural thing in the world. Learning when to recognise danger is another skill altogether. . " Well said. But of course what we are doing is blanket issuing the whole nudity issue because a small minority of (normally) men completely lose their self control. In other words laws that subjugate the masses because of a need to control a minority. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment GimpI didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway." I will bow to your knowledge but if it is covered by an act of parliament then it is against the Law. I'm not saying that a couple of blokes stripping off should be put on the nonces register but an official warning includes a good talking to about common sense and offending others. and to answer a previous poster yes children are brought up to believe that public nudity is wrong and i agree with it, Far too many disturbed people exposing themselves to Minors or worse for me to be in agreement with freedom of choice or self expression. Gimp | |||
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"Being naked is not illegal. Behaving indecently is a different matter." Being exposed and offending others is illegal | |||
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"Being naked is not illegal. Behaving indecently is a different matter." To some people just being naked is indecent  . We had a similar conversation with a guy on a nudist beach today. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment GimpI didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway. I will bow to your knowledge but if it is covered by an act of parliament then it is against the Law. I'm not saying that a couple of blokes stripping off should be put on the nonces register but an official warning includes a good talking to about common sense and offending others. and to answer a previous poster yes children are brought up to believe that public nudity is wrong and i agree with it, Far too many disturbed people exposing themselves to Minors or worse for me to be in agreement with freedom of choice or self expression. Gimp" Which is what I said. you said it was illegal to be naked in public , its not! Show me a piece of legislation where its says that. The other Acts cover intend and distress and public order. | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest." Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest." Right to pick up on what you have just said,Unless members of the public were caused harassment alarm or distress. If i was with my Grandkids i would be Alarmed. Gimp | |||
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"In my line of work I've seen 18 year old girls given 3 years on the sex offenders register for flashing her breasts while d*unk on a saturday night. Potentially her whole career ruined in one silly act!! While skinny dipping is harmless I know I'd be unhappy if my 5 &7 year olds saw a couple of naked guys in the sea on a Sunday afternoon! There is a time and place "And if a d*unken guy has flashed his cock? The law has to be seen to be gender impartial it was a foolish thing for her to do. | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. " It's a quote straight from the Crown Prosecution Service. If you're not happy with it try raising it with them! Bottom line, being naked in public is NOT illegal. Funnily enough I can't find any details of the 'Public Decency Act', if you can post a link I'd be interested to read. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment GimpI didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway. I will bow to your knowledge but if it is covered by an act of parliament then it is against the Law. I'm not saying that a couple of blokes stripping off should be put on the nonces register but an official warning includes a good talking to about common sense and offending others. and to answer a previous poster yes children are brought up to believe that public nudity is wrong and i agree with it, Far too many disturbed people exposing themselves to Minors or worse for me to be in agreement with freedom of choice or self expression. GimpWhich is what I said. you said it was illegal to be naked in public , its not! Show me a piece of legislation where its says that. The other Acts cover intend and distress and public order. " And i said i bow to your Knowledge which means i may have been wrong in the act i quoted and as you pointed out it is covered by at least one other Law. Gimp | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. It's a quote straight from the Crown Prosecution Service. If you're not happy with it try raising it with them! Bottom line, being naked in public is NOT illegal. Funnily enough I can't find any details of the 'Public Decency Act', if you can post a link I'd be interested to read." Bottom line is if it offends the General Public it IS Illegal | |||
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"While not illegal its one of those open to interpretation things. " They can throw all sorts of other stuff at you - the naked rambler bloke is usually done for other things, not actually being naked. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment GimpI didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway. I will bow to your knowledge but if it is covered by an act of parliament then it is against the Law. I'm not saying that a couple of blokes stripping off should be put on the nonces register but an official warning includes a good talking to about common sense and offending others. and to answer a previous poster yes children are brought up to believe that public nudity is wrong and i agree with it, Far too many disturbed people exposing themselves to Minors or worse for me to be in agreement with freedom of choice or self expression. GimpWhich is what I said. you said it was illegal to be naked in public , its not! Show me a piece of legislation where its says that. The other Acts cover intend and distress and public order. And i said i bow to your Knowledge which means i may have been wrong in the act i quoted and as you pointed out it is covered by at least one other Law. Gimp" No, you were wrong in the true sense of the word. Its not illegal to be naked in public.... | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. It's a quote straight from the Crown Prosecution Service. If you're not happy with it try raising it with them! Bottom line, being naked in public is NOT illegal. Funnily enough I can't find any details of the 'Public Decency Act', if you can post a link I'd be interested to read. Bottom line is if it offends the General Public it IS Illegal" Its not that simplistic there are many more factors involved saying things that are not correct doesn't make it true. | |||
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" If nudity in public was illegal then how am i to shower at the gym? " spose i could keep my socks on. | |||
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"In my line of work I've seen 18 year old girls given 3 years on the sex offenders register for flashing her breasts while d*unk on a saturday night. Potentially her whole career ruined in one silly act!! While skinny dipping is harmless I know I'd be unhappy if my 5 &7 year olds saw a couple of naked guys in the sea on a Sunday afternoon! There is a time and place
And if a d*unken guy has flashed his cock?
The law has to be seen to be gender impartial it was a foolish thing for her to do. "I quite agree, I've only recently finished working with a guy who was placed on the register for having a pee on a shop doorway at 2 am, obviously exposing himself. My point is that I don't believe it warrants registration as a sex offender. That title is one of he most harmful anyone can be labelled as people will usually assume only paedophile and rapists are on he register. I believe that skinny dipping in times and places that may cause distress to vulnerable people should be punishable but i don't agree they should be placed on the sex ofender register. | |||
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"Being naked isn't illegal. There would have to be more to be arrested, convicted and placed on the register. Being Naked in public is illegal, It comes under the public decency act, punishable by a fine and or Imprisonment GimpI didn't think it was illegal, but is covered under The Sexual Offences Act 2003? Which exposing the genitals mentioned? They can also use section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. But there is no law that states specifically its illegal to be naked in the UK. That was my understanding of it anyway. I will bow to your knowledge but if it is covered by an act of parliament then it is against the Law. I'm not saying that a couple of blokes stripping off should be put on the nonces register but an official warning includes a good talking to about common sense and offending others. and to answer a previous poster yes children are brought up to believe that public nudity is wrong and i agree with it, Far too many disturbed people exposing themselves to Minors or worse for me to be in agreement with freedom of choice or self expression. GimpWhich is what I said. you said it was illegal to be naked in public , its not! Show me a piece of legislation where its says that. The other Acts cover intend and distress and public order. And i said i bow to your Knowledge which means i may have been wrong in the act i quoted and as you pointed out it is covered by at least one other Law. GimpNo, you were wrong in the true sense of the word. Its not illegal to be naked in public...." Blimey how many times should i have my nose in it, are you SURE we havnt been married | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. It's a quote straight from the Crown Prosecution Service. If you're not happy with it try raising it with them! Bottom line, being naked in public is NOT illegal. Funnily enough I can't find any details of the 'Public Decency Act', if you can post a link I'd be interested to read. Bottom line is if it offends the General Public it IS Illegal Its not that simplistic there are many more factors involved saying things that are not correct doesn't make it true. " Do you didn't read it? Or are they wrong?! | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )"I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,, | |||
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"In my line of work I've seen 18 year old girls given 3 years on the sex offenders register for flashing her breasts while d*unk on a saturday night. Potentially her whole career ruined in one silly act!! While skinny dipping is harmless I know I'd be unhappy if my 5 &7 year olds saw a couple of naked guys in the sea on a Sunday afternoon! There is a time and place
And if a d*unken guy has flashed his cock?
The law has to be seen to be gender impartial it was a foolish thing for her to do.
I quite agree, I've only recently finished working with a guy who was placed on the register for having a pee on a shop doorway at 2 am, obviously exposing himself.
My point is that I don't believe it warrants registration as a sex offender. That title is one of he most harmful anyone can be labelled as people will usually assume only paedophile and rapists are on he register.
I believe that skinny dipping in times and places that may cause distress to vulnerable people should be punishable but i don't agree they should be placed on the sex ofender register."The law is the way it is to prevent loopholes its not ideal but if it stops a serious offender wiggling out then sadly for the idiots its a lesson learnt. | |||
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" If nudity in public was illegal then how am i to shower at the gym? " Very quickly and no lathering | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Right to pick up on what you have just said,Unless members of the public were caused harassment alarm or distress. If i was with my Grandkids i would be Alarmed. Gimp" I'd have to read the relevant section of the act to double check but usually in British law it comes down to intent. It's not whether you where offended, it matters whether the person intended to cause you offense, distress, or alarm. | |||
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"While not illegal its one of those open to interpretation things. They can throw all sorts of other stuff at you - the naked rambler bloke is usually done for other things, not actually being naked." And he ISNT on the list (yet) | |||
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"From the CPS - which has a very thorough leaflet for the police on how to deal with public nudity that you can read online if you like... In the absence of any sexual context and in relation to nudity where the person has no intention to cause alarm or distress it will normally be appropriate to take no action unless members of the public were actually caused harassment, alarm or distress (as opposed to considering the likelihood of this). In this case such conduct should be regarded as at most amounting to an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986; and regard needs to be had to the question of whether a prosecution is in the public interest. Here we go again I suppose you will be claiming that you work for them next. Its all very well goggleing something and pasting it but if you don't understand it then its rather pointless. It's a quote straight from the Crown Prosecution Service. If you're not happy with it try raising it with them! Bottom line, being naked in public is NOT illegal. Funnily enough I can't find any details of the 'Public Decency Act', if you can post a link I'd be interested to read. Bottom line is if it offends the General Public it IS Illegal Its not that simplistic there are many more factors involved saying things that are not correct doesn't make it true. Do you didn't read it? Or are they wrong?!" That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,, "its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out"Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping. | |||
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"That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. " See what you mean, it didn't make any 'seance' did it?!
I merely suggested you might like to read the published guidance issued by the Crown Prosecution Service on the very matters you apparently know a great deal more about than they do. I'm sure they would be very grateful if you could email them with details of all the bits they have got wrong and you would be doing a marvellous service to us all. | |||
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"That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. See what you mean, it didn't make any 'seance' did it?!
I merely suggested you might like to read the published guidance issued by the Crown Prosecution Service on the very matters you apparently know a great deal more about than they do. I'm sure they would be very grateful if you could email them with details of all the bits they have got wrong and you would be doing a marvellous service to us all."Are you sure you are a teacher? Its just if you were teaching a my child I would be worried about what he was learning. | |||
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"That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. See what you mean, it didn't make any 'seance' did it?!
I merely suggested you might like to read the published guidance issued by the Crown Prosecution Service on the very matters you apparently know a great deal more about than they do. I'm sure they would be very grateful if you could email them with details of all the bits they have got wrong and you would be doing a marvellous service to us all.
Are you sure you are a teacher? Its just if you were teaching a my child I would be worried about what he was learning. "I'm quite sure I'm not a teacher and haven't been for some while. What the fuck that has to do with this discussion I'm interested to learn. | |||
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"That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. See what you mean, it didn't make any 'seance' did it?!
I merely suggested you might like to read the published guidance issued by the Crown Prosecution Service on the very matters you apparently know a great deal more about than they do. I'm sure they would be very grateful if you could email them with details of all the bits they have got wrong and you would be doing a marvellous service to us all.
Are you sure you are a teacher? Its just if you were teaching a my child I would be worried about what he was learning.
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"That makes no seance but I guess it fits in with the majority of things you type. See what you mean, it didn't make any 'seance' did it?!
I merely suggested you might like to read the published guidance issued by the Crown Prosecution Service on the very matters you apparently know a great deal more about than they do. I'm sure they would be very grateful if you could email them with details of all the bits they have got wrong and you would be doing a marvellous service to us all.
Are you sure you are a teacher? Its just if you were teaching a my child I would be worried about what he was learning.
I'm quite sure I'm not a teacher and haven't been for some while. What the fuck that has to do with this discussion I'm interested to learn."Ah so when you were jumping up and down on the teachers thread the other week claiming you were its all tosh then! Thank fuck for that! | |||
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"You just pretend don't you sweetie "As the saying goes the problem with arguing with an idiot is that from a distance it's impossible to distinguish the idiot. I'll therefore leave you and your trailing poodle to continue thinking how clever you are despite the evidence above. Good night  | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping. "But it does as it emphasises that what is written above. If intent is proven where the aim is to distress, alarm or create offence. A beach is a little bit of a different situation to a school isn't it. | |||
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"I do not find this prudish, far from it, but if kids ect were to see it. Feeding a baby in public, the baby has to be fed. Anyone running about with all there bits out in front of people of the public, is far different. I have a park nearby with a lake, if your kids, family were there, and it was happening, be honest, what would you say? Her" Such as the Germans, probably also the Scandinavians, cope very well with this, unless they have a timebomb of potenntial perverts, sex crims on their hands. Anyone know if other European countries take such disproportionate measures as the Uk Police and authorities do. Such as being on a sex offenders register for pissing in a doorway at 2am? | |||
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As the saying goes the problem with arguing with an idiot is that from a distance it's impossible to distinguish the idiot.
I'll therefore leave you and your trailing poodle to continue thinking how clever you are despite the evidence above.
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"You just pretend don't you sweetie
As the saying goes the problem with arguing with an idiot is that from a distance it's impossible to distinguish the idiot.
I'll therefore leave you and your trailing poodle to continue thinking how clever you are despite the evidence above.
Good night
No you are easy to spot even a gran with cataracts would point you out so for the rest of us its extremely easy."that one definitely nailed it! | |||
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"You just pretend don't you sweetie
As the saying goes the problem with arguing with an idiot is that from a distance it's impossible to distinguish the idiot.
I'll therefore leave you and your trailing poodle to continue thinking how clever you are despite the evidence above.
Good night
No you are easy to spot even a gran with cataracts would point you out so for the rest of us its extremely easy.
that one definitely nailed it! "Its my cataracts  Though I do laugh when you get someone ho throws a paddy and tries to insult people you don't really need to ad more just watch the hole being dug. | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping. "the Difference between exposure and naked is ? And as i said previously if i came across two blokes exposed while my littluns were present whether it be in the street or park i would be annoyed and offended, I dont think thats Dramatic at all just protective of Children and i will never apologize for that to anybody | |||
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"My issue is not whether being nude in public is an offence or not, but whether it warrants sex offender registration. A man exposing himself at a school for pleasure is a lot different to a group of people skinny dipping on a hot day. One is carried out with sexual motivation one is not. so why would they be bundles together as sex offenders? I try and get offenders back into the workplace daily, it's my job. I see the damage being placed on the register can have. When most people hear sex offenders register they assume that person is a "nonce" etc. Yet there was possibly no sexual motivation behind it whatsoever. Bring nude doesn't necessarily have to be a sexual act, but it can be upsetting and distressing for vulnerable people. " Its very different in reality but there are other circumstances in-between the two that are not so clear cut. Legislation tends to be black and white as is the guilty or not verdict you don't get a little bit guilty or a fair bit innocent. | |||
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"It's worth mentioning that the much quoted CPS has no authority in Northern Ireland." Bandit country there! | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping.
the Difference between exposure and naked is ? And as i said previously if i came across two blokes exposed while my littluns were present whether it be in the street or park i would be annoyed and offended, I dont think thats Dramatic at all just protective of Children and i will never apologize for that to anybody"All those kids killed in Japan by the A-bomb appalling wow! | |||
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"Aww my Stalkers after me again, Ive missed you so much come to papa "That sounds so dodgy you will be offering sweets or to see puppys next! | |||
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"Only sounds Dodgy if its already in the mind. has the mrs gone to bed
Gimp"You really don't like a guy who is intelligent and catches you out do you. It obviously unnerves you big time. | |||
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"A few years ago a guy got stopped by the police for riding his motorbike nude. (except for his crash helmet). From what I've been told, and this may just be a stupid urban legend, he wasn't committing an offence because the bike was reasonably obscuring the offending areas. He was asked to get off the bike by the police but refused as this would have resulted in him committing an offence and they had to let him go on his way. I really don't fancy testing the legitimacy of this story personally but let me know how you get on if you do." Just imagine if you came off and rode the tarmac face down full body contact! Nope I wouldn't risk it either | |||
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"Only sounds Dodgy if its already in the mind. has the mrs gone to bed
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You really don't like a guy who is intelligent and catches you out do you. It obviously unnerves you big time. "I will let you know when i find one, Thanks for the keen interest though, I'm Flattered. Gimp | |||
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" Bandit country there! "I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.  | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults. "And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality. | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality."Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see! | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality.
Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see!"Actually I don't see you have added anything in either posts to the subject matter in question but come enlighten me tell me what you have added because as I see it its sweet FA. There's a challenge for you! | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality.
Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see!
Actually I don't see you have added anything in either posts to the subject matter in question but come enlighten me tell me what you have added because as I see it its sweet FA. There's a challenge for you! "I can't add to the debate as I don't have any knowledge of the laws being discussed. In fact if am honest I was actually learning something as I read the posts that were directly relevant to the discussion. Unfortunately, your post was neither informative nor relevant. | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality.
Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see!
Actually I don't see you have added anything in either posts to the subject matter in question but come enlighten me tell me what you have added because as I see it its sweet FA. There's a challenge for you!
I can't add to the debate as I don't have any knowledge of the laws being discussed. In fact if am honest I was actually learning something as I read the posts that were directly relevant to the discussion. Unfortunately, your post was neither informative nor relevant."Then maybe you should actually follow your own advice its rather farcical to do exactly what you are moaning about as you failed to "stick to the subject matter"! Its pretty sad really! It really is. | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality.
Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see!
Actually I don't see you have added anything in either posts to the subject matter in question but come enlighten me tell me what you have added because as I see it its sweet FA. There's a challenge for you!
I can't add to the debate as I don't have any knowledge of the laws being discussed. In fact if am honest I was actually learning something as I read the posts that were directly relevant to the discussion. Unfortunately, your post was neither informative nor relevant.
Then maybe you should actually follow your own advice its rather farcical to do exactly what you are moaning about as you failed to "stick to the subject matter"! Its pretty sad really! It really is. "All I was doing was commenting on your misplaced comment. We can agree to disagree so as to allow the main discussion to continue as its obvious we will never agree. | |||
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" Bandit country there!
I was enjoying reading this debate, albeit heated, until this comment. It adds nothing to the debate and merely insults the vast majority of people in the north of ireland. It may be your perception or view and I wont even try to change it as you're welcome to it but will say it is somewhat distorted and very much out of date! I won't tender my view on England so as other contributors can we stick to the subject matter being debated without side swings and insults.
And you assume I am English! And it is bandit country in many parts still want a list of my relatives buried due to it? Maybe you should pull your neck in stop being prissy and face reality.
Still adding nothing to the subject matter I see!
Actually I don't see you have added anything in either posts to the subject matter in question but come enlighten me tell me what you have added because as I see it its sweet FA. There's a challenge for you!
I can't add to the debate as I don't have any knowledge of the laws being discussed. In fact if am honest I was actually learning something as I read the posts that were directly relevant to the discussion. Unfortunately, your post was neither informative nor relevant.
Then maybe you should actually follow your own advice its rather farcical to do exactly what you are moaning about as you failed to "stick to the subject matter"! Its pretty sad really! It really is. All I was doing was commenting on your misplaced comment. We can agree to disagree so as to allow the main discussion to continue as its obvious we will never agree."Errr your words "stick to the subject matter" which you didn't which according to the dictionary makes you a hypocrite and a large one at that! You really shouldn't post things telling people what to do that you clearly cannot adhere to yourself it is incredibly foolish! | |||
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"A few years ago a guy got stopped by the police for riding his motorbike nude. (except for his crash helmet). From what I've been told, and this may just be a stupid urban legend, he wasn't committing an offence because the bike was reasonably obscuring the offending areas. He was asked to get off the bike by the police but refused as this would have resulted in him committing an offence and they had to let him go on his way. I really don't fancy testing the legitimacy of this story personally but let me know how you get on if you do." Stop on the bike at all costs! | |||
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"Shane to see a debate/discussion turn into a school yard squabble (ducks for cover! ) "You always get one divvy coming telling people what to do then going loopy and trying to contact someone who has blocked them funny though. | |||
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"Shane to see a debate/discussion turn into a school yard squabble (ducks for cover! ) "It was but people get pedantic and try and tell you what you should or shouldn't post. The majority of topics stray at times and then drift back the ones that don't die off quickly. The sex offenders register is an emotive subject but there is no limit to how many people can post on it or any other subject. | |||
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"Maybe a fab nudist march is needed? "We organise it quickly whilst the weather is nice, I don't want to be marching naked in the rain | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping.
the Difference between exposure and naked is ? And as i said previously if i came across two blokes exposed while my littluns were present whether it be in the street or park i would be annoyed and offended, I dont think thats Dramatic at all just protective of Children and i will never apologize for that to anybody"And in doing so, you are continuing this very English obsession of connecting nudity to sex. As a country we all need to mature a little and accept that nudity is normal because the human body in all its forms is normal. We don't need further generations of people growing up suppressed and full of angst, fearful of their own and other people's bodies. We should be educating the young the difference between nudity and sexuality, that would be a good start. | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping.
the Difference between exposure and naked is ? And as i said previously if i came across two blokes exposed while my littluns were present whether it be in the street or park i would be annoyed and offended, I dont think thats Dramatic at all just protective of Children and i will never apologize for that to anybody"The difference between.being naked and exposure is the intent. People that expose themselves want to cause shock and offence. People who enjoy being naked don't. | |||
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"There should be special places to go for this I think. The public, and kids about, not right really. Her But is that because we sexualise nudity? Being nude doesn't have to rate to something sexual. (not necessarily my view, just playing devils doodah )
I completely agree the same people that get offended by a naked body would get offended by a breast feeding mother,,,, a naked body doesn't mean sex,,, doesn't have to be sexualised, I'd go as far to say it's prudish,,
its prudish until you have some random bloke standing at the School gate with his knob out
Thats not being naked thats exposure in an area populated with young children you need to stop being dramatic and read the thread its nothing to do with skinny dipping.
the Difference between exposure and naked is ? And as i said previously if i came across two blokes exposed while my littluns were present whether it be in the street or park i would be annoyed and offended, I dont think thats Dramatic at all just protective of Children and i will never apologize for that to anybody
And in doing so, you are continuing this very English obsession of connecting nudity to sex. As a country we all need to mature a little and accept that nudity is normal because the human body in all its forms is normal. We don't need further generations of people growing up suppressed and full of angst, fearful of their own and other people's bodies.
We should be educating the young the difference between nudity and sexuality, that would be a good start."Quite a bit of assumption on my attitude towards Naturists, Nakedness and sex going on there. Gimp  | |||
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" I certainly wouldnt want my Grandkids to come across them Gimp" We were walking the dog couple days ago, one late afternoon and saw 3 off them aged 20/25 in and out the water. The area wasn't that busy but still. We just ignored them. However, a few minutes later we met a couple with a wee 4 or 5 years old girl. So I discreetly spoke to the man and warned him of them and told him to may be walk ahead and see. It was a public area, very well known for being used by parents with kids and dog walkers. Not something to do in an area they defo knew is used by parents with children. | |||
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" I certainly wouldnt want my Grandkids to come across them Gimp We were walking the dog couple days ago, one late afternoon and saw 3 off them aged 20/25 in and out the water. The area wasn't that busy but still. We just ignored them. However, a few minutes later we met a couple with a wee 4 or 5 years old girl. So I discreetly spoke to the man and warned him of them and told him to may be walk ahead and see. It was a public area, very well known for being used by parents with kids and dog walkers. Not something to do in an area they defo knew is used by parents with children. " The point i was trying to make at the very beginning before it went crazy lol. Gimp | |||
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"Well I had been warned and they're certainly living up to apparent reputations, but apologies for allowing the discussion to get sidetracked. I do indeed work in education, am a former teacher and enjoy occasional naturist holidays (not in this country) but I see no relevance to this. Naturists are not perverts, some are kinky, some are really quite prudish, just normal people. The links to the CPS guidance are also on the British Naturist site where they are the subject of debate between the seemingly sensible guidance issued by the CPS and the disparity between the guidance and the actual actions of the police. Considering how some, even on here, jump to the conclusion that nudity equals perversity then it's perhaps not so surprising the police tend to over react sometimes." The disparity in application may simply come down to basic tenets in law. If you read my previous post, unless the law is 'strict liability' then it Hines on the intent of the person committing the act. It's not just that someone was alarmed or distressed but that the person intended to cause such. There's also a test to gauge whether a reasonable person could know that they would cause someone distress by their actions and chose to do it anyway. If, for example, the was an infrequently used cool stream in the woods and a couple went skinny dipping and a family also chose to go there and were offended then the skinny dippers had a reasonable expectation to privacy and likely wouldn't be charged no matter how much the parents were alarmed or offended. If, however, they're dipping into a public fountain in a city Centre there is no expectation of privacy and they could reasonably expect someone to be distressed by their actions if they've lived in the uk for very long at all, therefore could be charged. Plus, if a house caught fire and a lady escaped it into the streets in ask her birthday suit glory then how many would be offended by her nudity in those circumstances? What if a man ran from his home in the altogether but he was special needs and had the mental and emotional development of a 5 year old... Still offended or does circumstance mitigate your offense? The law has to be applied on a case by case basis. | |||
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"What about the naked cyclist rides then "Tis what I asked earlier Also what about when people intentionally take their children onto a designated nudist beach? ? Even though there are a couple of miles of beach they choose to enter a area obviously being used by nudists? Not saying that they don't have the right to use same beach but surely they can't complain? Last weekend I we were at a beach I went for a swim now I knew I was going to enter the area where families where so I wore my costume as would not want to cause issues. Tbh most people seem pretty open minded and not interested with families and normal sunbathers coexisting next to the beach with no issues. We use wind break and parasols if kids wonder into area we cover up or roll onto front. | |||
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"From many of the posts above it seems clear that with a bit of common sense (on both sides) there needn't be a problem. That doesn't alter the fact that almost ever thread about naturist/ nudist beaches etc almost immediately deteriorates into 'if I go there, will I get a shag?'."  | |||
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