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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame?

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame? "
people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Smoking is bad, so don't smoke. Eating sugar and crap food is bad so don't eat it.

Stop blaming the companies no one is forcing people to smoke

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

I'd settle for just the one billion.

I'm not greedy!

A

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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

14 billion quid though I mean WTF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a smoker (trying to quit) I was perfectly aware of the risks and always have been.

Very canny of her to try to sue and I take my hat off to her and her legal team for pulling it off. It's a ridiculous sum that she's been awarded though....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes two to tango, but all I can say is she must have had bloody good representation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it depends, if this person was elderly than back in say the 40's/50's no one as warned of the dangers and it was portrayed as a very glam thing to do.

Nowadays no excuse whatsoever ~ everyone is aware of the dangers.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

As an Exsmoker..

no one made me smoke no advertising or fancy packs just trying to fit in with older mates i supose but i wouldn't dream of a cout case against the tobacco companies one must take responsibility for ones actions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think she was successful because he started when he was 13 and the tobacco companies wouldn't admit that smoking was bad for you.

I agree nowadays that's not the case. If you lead an unhealthy lifestyle you should contribute more national insurance to cover the cost of your inevitable health problems.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

37 years I smoked and now just have the odd one. In all that time its been known smoking is bad for you, so if he was so concerned about his health he could of given up at least 40 years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently still smoking hours from death, he took smoking seriously!

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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Apparently still smoking hours from death, he took smoking seriously! "

And she was still awarded 14 billion quid

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

fucking ridiculous..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame? "

Will mars be sued next for making someone fat?

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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame?

Will mars be sued next for making someone fat? "

I bet it's already been tried

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I'd countersue her for taking the piss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crazy isn't it .. A friend of a friend used to work for a tobacco company and they got 20 ciggys with their wage packet every week. People in their 60's never knew the risks. I do think that the amount awarded will be a lot lower after appeal

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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It will open the doors for further claims

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good on her , David took on Goliath and won. I don't begrudge her one penny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am sure that the tobacco company is appealing it and it is very likely for it to be overturned

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame?

Will mars be sued next for making someone fat?

I bet it's already been tried "

Its getting ridiculous the only people getting rich are the lawyers.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Its a load of bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Typical compensation culture at work.

It's not my fault smoking made my lungs rot,

It's not my fault eating 10 Big Mac meals a day turned me into a 50 stone whale

It's not my fault I broke my leg jumping a moving bus

People need to take responsibility for their situations if they know full well it's self inflicted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a load of bollocks"

And a load of billions

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the argument was he started smoking back in the days before people knew how harmful it was, there were no health warnings when he was young, and by the time there was it was to late he was already addicted

others manage to quit but of course he couldn't

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. "
he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A woman won a case where she sued America's second largest tobacco company after her husband died of cancer due to smoking....she was awarded 14 billion pounds in compensation....I mean surely us smokers are responsible for our health and not the tobacco giants? Or are they to blame?

Will mars be sued next for making someone fat?

I bet it's already been tried

Its getting ridiculous the only people getting rich are the lawyers."

And the lady who won the 14bn.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young.."

do they give them out free in america?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody hell!! I should start smoking so in 50 when i have a wife lol! If should i say!! I clock off and she bags a fortune!!

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton


"yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young.."

I watched a documentary on this made with Duncan Bannantyne the tobacco industry ought to be ashamed of the tricks they use to get youngsters hooked. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://money.howstuffworks.com/8-outrageous-lawsuits.htm

heres some more, people will sue for anything

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young..do they give them out free in america?

"

I don't believe so..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

"

not so much so in the 70's ~ the major health drive about smoking didn't come into play until early 90's.

the jury had to be shown information about how smoking was seen at the time as quite a few of them wouldn't have known.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

not so much so in the 70's ~ the major health drive about smoking didn't come into play until early 90's.

the jury had to be shown information about how smoking was seen at the time as quite a few of them wouldn't have known."

well I started smoking in 76 and the information was already out there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young..do they give them out free in america?

I don't believe so.."

They used to. It was part of their rations in the military.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"yes people do have individual responsibility but the same companies have been giving free cigarettes to kids in Africa and elsewhere for years as their markets in the 'developed world' have diminished..

hook em young..do they give them out free in america?

I don't believe so..

They used to. It was part of their rations in the military. "

Thats not far from the truth it was something they could choose to take or not and in some divisions they had a choice of chocolate or cigarettes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

"

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay. "

well at least that's some positive news if she might not get a penny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

not so much so in the 70's ~ the major health drive about smoking didn't come into play until early 90's.

the jury had to be shown information about how smoking was seen at the time as quite a few of them wouldn't have known.well I started smoking in 76 and the information was already out there

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I started in '79 and definitely knew then. Although I thought I only have a couple so I won't get addicted. By 1983 I was on 40 a day.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

So many people appear to be blaming the widow, what are you on? The tobacco industry hid the link to cancer for many years and then played it down. They continue to target the young and now hoing big time in devolping countries. The are ruthless bastards who profit from peoples addiction. Although this pay out is huge, that is not the widows fault!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

not so much so in the 70's ~ the major health drive about smoking didn't come into play until early 90's.

the jury had to be shown information about how smoking was seen at the time as quite a few of them wouldn't have known.well I started smoking in 76 and the information was already out there

"

Yes there was information but nowhere near on the same scale as it is now.

smoking was everywhere from TV programmes to advertising, you could also smoke wherever & whenever you wanted too ~ different era.

btw I think it's madness too but can see where a claim could possibly come from.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give it 12 months smoking claims will replace PPI

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay. "

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. "

and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. "

that maybe the case but what teenager takes any notice of what's on side of the packet, I know I didn't back then.

i started smoking because I thought it was cool & wanted to be like everyone else.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers.

that maybe the case but what teenager takes any notice of what's on side of the packet, I know I didn't back then.

i started smoking because I thought it was cool & wanted to be like everyone else."

so its someone else's fault they didn't read the warning. What if they walked straight passed a warning saying danger explosives.

I really don't understand the its not my fault I will blame someone else culture

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By *isscheekychops OP   Woman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Smoking was deemed as glamorous in the 40's-50's then you got the major makers such as Marlboro sponsoring sports such as F1 then you had the adverts for cigarettes...so it someways they made it glamorous to smoke...I wish I never started as I can't just seem to give up but I know perfectly well what harm I'm doing to my body

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers.

that maybe the case but what teenager takes any notice of what's on side of the packet, I know I didn't back then.

i started smoking because I thought it was cool & wanted to be like everyone else.so its someone else's fault they didn't read the warning. What if they walked straight passed a warning saying danger explosives.

I really don't understand the its not my fault I will blame someone else culture

"

This woman will give you 14 billion good reasons to understand it.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers.

that maybe the case but what teenager takes any notice of what's on side of the packet, I know I didn't back then.

i started smoking because I thought it was cool & wanted to be like everyone else.so its someone else's fault they didn't read the warning. What if they walked straight passed a warning saying danger explosives.

I really don't understand the its not my fault I will blame someone else culture

This woman will give you 14 billion good reasons to understand it. "

I feel happier now know knowing she might not get anything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A bit of light relief for those that find it hard to stop anything

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers.

that maybe the case but what teenager takes any notice of what's on side of the packet, I know I didn't back then.

i started smoking because I thought it was cool & wanted to be like everyone else.so its someone else's fault they didn't read the warning. What if they walked straight passed a warning saying danger explosives.

I really don't understand the its not my fault I will blame someone else culture

"

I don't think the whole blame culture is right either ~ far from it.

What I am saying is I can see where a court case might arise from & it's not only the tobacco industry which is at fault here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse"

Did you ever see the size of the surgeon generals warning on u.s. packs? It was tiny, and noone paid attention to it. Add to that that there were actually studies that contradicted the ones which linked tobacco to addiction and cancer. It wasn't until they were caught red handed subverting evidence linking smoking and cancer and papers were leaked showing that they deliberately addicted people and targeted young people that the change in facts started in the u.s. and that was late '90s. That's when the government sued the companies for the cost of treating smoking related illnesses. That's when people started giving up. Because that's when the actual facts started coming out. Some were lucky enough to quit quickly. Others like myself have struggled and quit several times over the years and started back again and still others have never been successful in quitting. That's the true nature of addiction, unfortunately.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse

Did you ever see the size of the surgeon generals warning on u.s. packs? It was tiny, and noone paid attention to it. Add to that that there were actually studies that contradicted the ones which linked tobacco to addiction and cancer. It wasn't until they were caught red handed subverting evidence linking smoking and cancer and papers were leaked showing that they deliberately addicted people and targeted young people that the change in facts started in the u.s. and that was late '90s. That's when the government sued the companies for the cost of treating smoking related illnesses. That's when people started giving up. Because that's when the actual facts started coming out. Some were lucky enough to quit quickly. Others like myself have struggled and quit several times over the years and started back again and still others have never been successful in quitting. That's the true nature of addiction, unfortunately. "

I've been a smoker for 37 years 40 a day. I just don't go round blaming other people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So smoking is good for you after all

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over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse

Did you ever see the size of the surgeon generals warning on u.s. packs? It was tiny, and noone paid attention to it. Add to that that there were actually studies that contradicted the ones which linked tobacco to addiction and cancer. It wasn't until they were caught red handed subverting evidence linking smoking and cancer and papers were leaked showing that they deliberately addicted people and targeted young people that the change in facts started in the u.s. and that was late '90s. That's when the government sued the companies for the cost of treating smoking related illnesses. That's when people started giving up. Because that's when the actual facts started coming out. Some were lucky enough to quit quickly. Others like myself have struggled and quit several times over the years and started back again and still others have never been successful in quitting. That's the true nature of addiction, unfortunately. I've been a smoker for 37 years 40 a day. I just don't go round blaming other people"

And I'm just trying to explain to you why her case has merit, that's all. You have a few ideas about info in the u.s. at that time that aren't on par with what the reality was. You're entitled to your opinion. It just seems a shame to let an opinion be shaped by bad info, so i thought i'd speak up.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay. "

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse

Did you ever see the size of the surgeon generals warning on u.s. packs? It was tiny, and noone paid attention to it. Add to that that there were actually studies that contradicted the ones which linked tobacco to addiction and cancer. It wasn't until they were caught red handed subverting evidence linking smoking and cancer and papers were leaked showing that they deliberately addicted people and targeted young people that the change in facts started in the u.s. and that was late '90s. That's when the government sued the companies for the cost of treating smoking related illnesses. That's when people started giving up. Because that's when the actual facts started coming out. Some were lucky enough to quit quickly. Others like myself have struggled and quit several times over the years and started back again and still others have never been successful in quitting. That's the true nature of addiction, unfortunately. "

Same here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I say good on her . She is claiming off a multi billion pound company that no one cares about .Not the NHS

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over a year ago


"I think this case goes way back before the dangers of smoking were known and tobacco companies advertised aggressively. It was also proved that the Companies were putting other ingredients into their product which caused addiction, more so than the actual tobacco. It's taken this long to settle within the judiciary system. he died in 96 aged 36 so he started smoking around 74 people where aware of the dangers then

I'm sorry but no. We weren't aware. Even in the late 90s smokers were still being given 'camel cash' or collecting 'marlboro miles' to redeem for branded merchandise from the tobacco companies and the companies were denying that smoking was addictive or harmful or that they were weighting the deck in their favor with additives. I started smoking in '92, and that was several years before the landmark case where tobacco execs lied to congress and the big judgement was made and they were fined billions. I'm still struggling to quit smoking. She started that case before the companies were found to have perjured themselves and deserves a good judgement. She will actually probably not receive a penny, though. That happens quite often, first the initial award is reduced and then the company gets fancy with their accounting and proves that they can't afford to pay.

Certainly in the uk the cigarette packs started having health warnings on from 1971 so I really don't accept that people in the 90's didn't know about the dangers. and 1966 in america so no bloody excuse

Did you ever see the size of the surgeon generals warning on u.s. packs? It was tiny, and noone paid attention to it. Add to that that there were actually studies that contradicted the ones which linked tobacco to addiction and cancer. It wasn't until they were caught red handed subverting evidence linking smoking and cancer and papers were leaked showing that they deliberately addicted people and targeted young people that the change in facts started in the u.s. and that was late '90s. That's when the government sued the companies for the cost of treating smoking related illnesses. That's when people started giving up. Because that's when the actual facts started coming out. Some were lucky enough to quit quickly. Others like myself have struggled and quit several times over the years and started back again and still others have never been successful in quitting. That's the true nature of addiction, unfortunately. I've been a smoker for 37 years 40 a day. I just don't go round blaming other people

And I'm just trying to explain to you why her case has merit, that's all. You have a few ideas about info in the u.s. at that time that aren't on par with what the reality was. You're entitled to your opinion. It just seems a shame to let an opinion be shaped by bad info, so i thought i'd speak up. "

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Whether smoking is bad for you or not he choose to smoke. We all make choices everyday, I just can't get over the fact some are prepared to lay the blame at someone else's door than take responsibility for their own actions

We all make bad decisions but we can't blame others

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I use a vaporizer instead of smoking, there's no long term research available of whether it carry's risks/health problems or not. If its found to then should I sue

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over a year ago


"Whether smoking is bad for you or not he choose to smoke. We all make choices everyday, I just can't get over the fact some are prepared to lay the blame at someone else's door than take responsibility for their own actions

We all make bad decisions but we can't blame others

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Normally, i agree. The was a laughable case in the 90s where someone sued mcdonalds because their hot coffee was so hot it burned their mouth. Granted the burns were pretty severe, but who doesn't know that hot coffee is hot?

But in the case of this lady, i differ. Yes, the Hubby made a choice but with the conflicting evidence available plus the later found evidence that tobacco companies knew, lied, and acted to deliberately addict people i think that they should be held to account on this. If he'd started smoking after all that hullabaloo then I'd feel differently, but i think he died before all that info came out. Tobacco did bear responsibility in his case, and they've simply tied the widow in legal knots for nearly twenty years.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I believe the amount will be reduced dramatically on appeal.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Just a quick note to point out that a US billion is different to a UK billion.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Ignore me...

A UK billion used to be (a fuck of a lot) more than a US billion but we adopted their system.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

I'm having an off day today and cannot be relied on to talk sense.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

And yes, it's a fucking stupid case and a ridiculous amount to award in damages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe the amount will be reduced dramatically on appeal. "

Thank god for that! I thought for a moment that the cigarette company had lost out! Phew! Just the woman who lost her husband, and the children who lost a father. You're all absolutely right, fuck 'em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a quick note to point out that a US billion is different to a UK billion."

Yeah, the award wwas over 26 billion us dollars, which is just shy of 14 billion gbp

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over a year ago


"Just a quick note to point out that a US billion is different to a UK billion.

Yeah, the award wwas over 26 billion us dollars, which is just shy of 14 billion gbp"

bet she's gutted now

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"I believe the amount will be reduced dramatically on appeal.

Thank god for that! I thought for a moment that the cigarette company had lost out! Phew! Just the woman who lost her husband, and the children who lost a father. You're all absolutely right, fuck 'em."

I think $16,000,000 was actual damages for the loss of her husband, but the additional were punitive damages. It is the punitive side which will probably be reduced.

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