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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Gove is no longer the education minister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister. "

Think the guy was bullied at school!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a teacher but he appeared out of touch big time. I am happy to help all teachers celebrate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are they getting longer summer holidays?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?"

No just a day off to celebrate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

No just a day off to celebrate. "

And an inset day on how to celebrate

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I'm holding off until I know more about the lady.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Gove is no longer the education minister. "

I'm not a teacher or anything like but I'm pleased he's gone.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

I'm not a teacher or anything like but I'm pleased he's gone. "

me too but this lady holds some views that I wonder if they will bode well for a curriculum that in my view should be inclusive and diverse. But as I said I'll hang on and see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Education standards have improved dramatically. Unfortunately it makes better press to slate the profession and the perceived jolly they have all the time.

Let's not forget that the pupil and guardians carry responsibility for the end product too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why is everyone pleased? All he did was to try and raise standards in schools. The last government dumbed down everything and employers just laugh at what schools turn out and the supposed qualifications in joke subjects that they come out with."

How did they dumb it down?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure that it's a good day for teachers but I do feel that it is a good day for anyone with children at school

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

no one likes a pompous trumped up little prick

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

What supposed qualifications in joke subjects?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Education standards have improved dramatically. Unfortunately it makes better press to slate the profession and the perceived jolly they have all the time.

Let's not forget that the pupil and guardians carry responsibility for the end product too."

I don't think anyone is slating the profession. Teachers on the whole were at loggerheads with Mr Gove. His intentions were I am sure worthy but I do think his methodology was very badly planned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He was ideologically driven and a meddler who made a very demanding job even harder for those in the profession.

The worry is where he will bowl up next,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's been made chief whip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sounds about right

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Do you think these people have any choice in what they do. They are put in their positions to do the prime ministers bidding...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you think these people have any choice in what they do. They are put in their positions to do the prime ministers bidding..."

People knew where Gove was headed long before the Government sneaked their way into power

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

No just a day off to celebrate.

And an inset day on how to celebrate "

dont forget the teacher training day off so they can tutor the kids on how the inset day works so they can organize the day off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't really care how these latest changes effect teachers,,,,

For me the only issue of importance is will these latest changes be ultimately beneficial for the kids..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

No just a day off to celebrate.

And an inset day on how to celebrate

dont forget the teacher training day off so they can tutor the kids on how the inset day works so they can organize the day off"

Good for them - all deserved. None of us want a knackered teacher teaching our kids do we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello all,

I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards.

For too long we have had the professional teachers having their own way in how schools were run with the very real deterioration in academic standards. I trust the his replacement will carry on in the same vein?

Alec

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello all,

I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards.

Alec"

There's a lot of irony in that statement but you wouldn't understand unless you understood the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" He's been made chief whip."

Sorry, did you say dick?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bad news for the rest of the country as a whole, he is now a "chief whip"

Not a bondage whip.

Not a walnut whip.

But a "Chief Whip"

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS A CHIEF WHIP ANYWAY? Sounds ominous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad news for the rest of the country as a whole, he is now a "chief whip"

Not a bondage whip.

Not a walnut whip.

But a "Chief Whip"

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS A CHIEF WHIP ANYWAY? Sounds ominous.

They tell backbench MPs what to do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bad news for the rest of the country as a whole, he is now a "chief whip"

Not a bondage whip.

Not a walnut whip.

But a "Chief Whip"

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK IS A CHIEF WHIP ANYWAY? Sounds ominous.

They tell backbench MPs what to do."

Heh, that wont last.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello all,

I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards.

Alec"

I do love a bit of irony...

.. you were being ironic, weren't you?

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Well the new education secretary is keeping her job as minister for women too; nice to know that these areas are considered such a priority that one person can cover both. She also happens to be a career politician who voted against same sex marriage so I'm sure diversity and inclusivity will be top of her agenda.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well the new education secretary is keeping her job as minister for women too; nice to know that these areas are considered such a priority that one person can cover both. She also happens to be a career politician who voted against same sex marriage so I'm sure diversity and inclusivity will be top of her agenda.

Typical tory then.(and I know that's a lazy comment but it's still valid)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Though on the subject of the reshuffle the rumours about Hague's decision to quit the cabinet and also not stand for re-election are interesting to say the least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news "

Yeah, teaching is pretty much a part time job,

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

this is my worry as I said earlier. I'm just going to wait and see.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

Yeah, teaching is pretty much a part time job,

I wonder who it is who runs all the after school clubs and gets lessons ready, attends parent teacher meetings, keeps up to date in their subject matter, writes reports, marks books etc etc.....it must be that teacher fairy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does this mean he will have time to resurrect Pob on channel 4?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently he's such a tough conviction polition that hes going round telling everyone how pleased he is about his new role, that is being demoted.

Thus illustrating he is in fact the little toady many of us suspected all along.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hello all,

I think that his ideas were good and that it is long overdue what he was doing to raise standards.

Alec

I do love a bit of irony...

.. you were being ironic, weren't you?

nowt worse than professionals thinking they know better than an amateur is there? i would gladly allow him to fix the brakes of my car or the electrics in my house.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister. "

What a let down they were hoping for another 8 weeks holiday.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

What a let down they were hoping for another 8 weeks holiday. "

were they? That's news to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Education standards have improved dramatically. Unfortunately it makes better press to slate the profession and the perceived jolly they have all the time.

Let's not forget that the pupil and guardians carry responsibility for the end product too."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have nothing intelligent to add, just I'm glad that the tit has gone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news "

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. "

that made me do a little snorty noise from my nose

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The programmes are up and running. The minister doesn't have the time to change much before the election and I doubt she is going to break the deadlock with the unions. CamBorne have the bit between their teeth now on unions and strikes.

It is a rather barefaced attempt to meet the promise made at the start of this Parliament that women would have a place in the Cabinet.

That said, I am pleased Gove will no longer be given such public air time on education.

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By *athnBobCouple
over a year ago

sandwell

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. "

ROFL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The new ed sec is the mp for Loughborough and she is a 2 faced, money minded bitch. She voted yes for the bedroom tax yet claimed 45 grand for rent fir herself. She has stopped busses going through Loughborough town centre and has left businesses struggling to pay extreme rent charges. I don't trust her as far as i can throw her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher.

that made me do a little snorty noise from my nose

I did too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?"

they will want more holidays

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By *ifferentClassMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news "

I've seen grown men and women cry or turn into gibbering wrecks after their first day of teaching practice. But, yeah - it's a piece of piss to do the job, isn't it. Or perhaps it is easier to make ill informed comments from the sidelines.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays "

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

One thing's for sure most of us except for the home schooled will have come into contact with a professional teacher for good or ill. I find it astounding that many people imagine that a person can turn up in a classroom at 9 am and teach for example physics, go home at 4 and have made no preparation at all, doesn't need to keep up with advances being made in science or read around their subject, has no need to mark or set homework or write reports etc. The teaching profession must be failing in a big way if people can't think about something intelligently before giving an opinion like that.

School holidays are long for the benefit of children and were historically set around the farming calendar so that kids could help out, teachers are paid a salary for the weeks that they do work evened out over twelve months. If anyone would like to have the same holidays they should qualify as a teacher and become entitled to all the benefits on offer.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. "

Oh I do love genuinely witty people! That comment made my day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess it is a good thing, he was so out of touch with the education system. what is more worrying is that Iain Duncan Smith's job is safe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great news. I am however sad that in health we still have Jeremy *unt

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news "

The funniest yet saddest comment I've seen on the forum for a while.

Of course teaching is an 8-4 job, none of them have planning to do for an average of between 5-8 or even more lessons a day, marking of an average of 150-300 books/pieces of work daily, attending parents evenings (2/3 times a year and with some parents regularly), open days and evenings, fundraising events, school fairs, production nights, have extracurricular activities over lunchtimes and after school, planning and implementing ILPS for the children in their class, attending regular meetings, writing invidual reports for every child they teach, attending sports events, going on residential trips, researching and planning trips related to the curriculum, getting to terms with the ever changing curriculum and policies put in place, providing an educational environment ie displays all around the classrooms and school...OBVIOUSLY it's not the teachers that do that in their OWN TIME, I mean they only get in 5 minutes before the children do, leave 5 minutes after the children do and are far too busy enjoying all that time they have off and spending their salary after only working school hours! It's the imaginary fairies that do all of them things, teachers just swan in and teach. Give me a break!

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

I'm holding back with commenting on the new lady until I know more about what her intentions are. Put me in charge and be done with it, I'll churn out some bloody geniuses...making a few decisions on the education system of the whole country, that's not a difficult task (!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?"

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "

put up and shut up about what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "

You've obviously not read the points above before saying what you've just said.

Yep, teachers get a decent salary. So do others. What is actaully wrong with that?

Working hours? I used to work approx 55 - 60 hours per week in term time. I now work 37 hours per week(in a different job, less well paid). If I work extra hours I can finsh earlier the next day.

Holidays? I used to work at least 30 hours during 1/2 term and one week of the three main holidays- closer to 50 hours in summer 1/2 term when reports and end of year assessments were written. That left me with 7 weeks 'real holiday' - only one more than I get now.

Over the whole year I worked many more hours as a teacher than I do now.

Teachers do get a decent wage but they work much, much harder with more pressure that many others.

Why don't we all pick on a different profession next week. Any suggestions?

(Personally I've always resented the fact that milkmen are finsihed by lunch-time....)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough "

Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough

Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that?"

Lots of people think that the care and education of our children is a task not worthy of proper remuneration, many of these same people will happily see a footballer paid thousands a week though.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Think the guy was bullied at school!!

He would be if he came to our school

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Are they getting longer summer holidays?

they will want more holidays

are you a teacher? I'm wondering how you know what "they" will want?

they should just shut up and put up . Decent salary, decent holidays , decent working hrs but its still not enough

Are you suggesting that the people responsible for educating this nation'c children aren;t deserving of that?"

It's only child care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister. "

Good news for teachers, but bad news for those at school. Looks like there will be another generation of people that can not spell, read and punctuate properly. However, at least the teachers are happy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

cannot (one word)

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then.

Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before.

The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

cannot (one word)"

Both cannot and can not are acceptable english.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then.

Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before.

The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well.

Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification"

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then.

Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before.

The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well.

Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented."

If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway.

You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam.

There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties.

Parents that don't respect what teachers do undermine the teacher before the child has even entered the classroom. Parents that do nothing to support the system of school (pulling children out when it suits and complaining about the inconvenience of schools being closed for whatever reason) send a message. Parents that don't support homework create problems. More than that though the main problem is parents not even preparing their children to enter school by failing to teach them to use the toilet, to sit still, to listen and to be interested in learning.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job."

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job."

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate."

As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then.

Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before.

The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well.

Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented.

If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway.

You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam.

There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties.

I never implied that the educational system is the only problem, but it is a problem.

I agree, parents should take some personal responsibility and prepare their kids for school, particularly non-academic things like using the toilet properly.

However, when it comes to the academic work, many parents either can't do homework themselves or do not have the time to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

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over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

Was Gove managing to teach the whole nation single handed? Blimey, we don't need teachers at all then.

Gove is claiming success on SATS results in schools he forced to become academies without recognising the teaching and learning that went on before.

The predictions for each year tell a different story: those pupils were already on track to do well.

Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification, but the teachers interfered and successfully stopped it from being implemented.

If you mean the English Baccalaureate then top streamed pupils are generally entered for it anyway.

You can't just change the curriculum and teaching for a whole cohort just before an exam.

There are flaws in our education system but the biggest one that I find is not the teaching and learning but the support from families and other interested parties.

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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news "

Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4?

I am usually at work for 7.30/45am and am lucky if I leave before 6.30pm. That's a 55hr week. If you add it all up, it equals out the holidays. Plus I usually have to spend one day a weekend doing school stuff, go into school during half term and at least the week before the kids come back to get the classroom ready.

Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum."

I know what he said, I also know what has happened to the curriculum and how this well rounded education was to be constrained to the books he thought were worth reading and the history he thought was worth learning.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

The Great British Boarding schools have one advantage over day schools: they have the children for longer in the day. There is room for sport and drama as that forms part of the entertainment and keeping the children busy in the afternoons and evenings. Homework is patrolled so it is done. Class sizes are smaller. You can't replicate that by ignoring the factors that allow it to be so.

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over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4?

Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk."

Absolutely!

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.

As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.

Yes and that is a problem he wanted to fix. All what competing examination boards have done is to promote a culture where the schools select the examination board that offers the easiest curriculum and examinations. Over the years, standards have been eroded and now the GCSE is worthless.

Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that.

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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Also, the teachers and the boarding schools have higher expectations of their pupils and push them to do the subjects the top Universities and employers want. However, at the state schools, the expectations of the pupils are much lower and many pupils get pushed into worthless subjects that the Universities and employers do not want. As a result, their life opportunities are limited.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people."

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.

As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.

Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that."

Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives.

How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards?

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Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people."

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

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my daughter wants to become a teacher after uni - she seems pleased by this news

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over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people."

Ah, I see now. We should get rid of the state school system. I'll leave you to it. Circular arguments have a habit of coming back to the same point.

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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please."

I believe teaching is challenging, particularly teaching pupils that come from dysfunctional families and communities. However, deliberately pushing them into studying worthless subjects will not help them.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.

As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.

Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that.

Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives.

How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards?"

True, the teachers and schools did not create the examination board system, but they have taken full advantage of it.

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum."

Nobody including the teaching unions is against a well rounded curriculum... The rhetoric was empty... Every Secretary of State claims to want to raise standards... It'd be a tad stupid if one said they didn't.

The problem was the unions and educationalists were looking at places like Finland for inspiration and Gove preferred Shanghai... Consultation was limited and there was strong evidence that the academy programme wasn't worth the money being invested into it.

The English Baccalaureate is just a different league table measure...where schools were provided with an additional incentive to encourage children to take a foreign language...something that was previously an option in some though by by means all, schools.

The introduction of computer science was positive but that was as a result of severe lobbying for years by the likes of google, Microsoft and some of the big UK universities.

He's changed the grades (a* - g) from letters to numbers (0-9)..... Not sure why....?

He wanted to create a qualification called an ebc...which was just a selection of subjects most students are entered for anyway....not an actual qualification.

He wanted to have one exam board per subject...but decided it was anti competition.

He wants to add 'rigour' to exams yet, grade boundaries are lowered so it doesn't make much of a difference - a c grade in mathematics STILL requires around 25-30%!

If he wanted to make a real change, he'd have external invigilators overseeing primary SATS, and all secondary controlled assessments.

What did Gove actually do to raise standards...that schools already weren't doing??

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"my daughter wants to become a teacher after uni - she seems pleased by this news "

Good luck to her , it can be a very rewarding profession.

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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

From what I understand, He wanted a diploma based qualification like the International Baccalaureate.

As I have mentioned the English Baccalaureate is being used in many schools for top streamed pupils. Schools have always had a choice about examination boards.

Lets all thank the schools and teachers for that.

Teachers and schools didn't create competing examination boards. Competition is a standard for Conservatives.

How about a national curriculum that most schools don't have to follow, how does that tighten up these standards?

True, the teachers and schools did not create the examination board system, but they have taken full advantage of it."

It's up to OFQUAL who assesses exam papers and accredits them to have suitable quality controls. Nothing to do with teachers or unions or anyone else.

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Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point."

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

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I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into."

I'm curious about this too...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school."

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Ah, I see now. We should get rid of the state school system. I'll leave you to it. Circular arguments have a habit of coming back to the same point.

I did not say that.

We need more schools and smaller class sizes. Also, we need a world class qualification, like the old O Level, and we need teachers that have high expectations of their pupils.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

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radical people always get knocked

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"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into."

The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.

Everything else is considered second best.

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

But you clearly have all the answers... so maybe you should put your money where your mouth is.

What worthless subjects am I pushing my pupils into studying? Just curious...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.

The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.

Everything else is considered second best."

So much for that rounded education with the arts etc.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.

The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.

Everything else is considered second best."

and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher. "

im sure she is dead now, but like most teachers who only work 8-4 she had plenty of free time to have had a great time doing a half assed job like most teachers out in the general public...pay rise my arse they should clock in n out n get paid for the hours they are in school never mind the 12 weeks off a year they get paid for..

its the old saying ,

those who can't, teach..

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Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?"

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

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"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher.

its the old saying ,

those who can't, teach.. "

If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise.

Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh.

Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group"

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

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over a year ago

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.

The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.

Everything else is considered second best.

and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end? "

Some of the best private schools in the country no longer teach the GCSE. They either go straight to A level, study the international baccalaureate or do the Cambridge Pre-U diploma.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

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the similarities with him are staggering .!!

row row row !!!

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over a year ago

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?"

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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East Sussex

"Gove wanted to scrap the discredited GCSE and replace it with a world class qualification

He did, plan sort of fell apart when he was asked which world class qualification, as he hadn't planned that far ahead

Gove is a world class half arsed ideas man, just as well he is now in a harmless job.

Indeed, we want developed Asian school results (even though it is shown that knocks all creativity out of their economy) without the hours or the discipline.

No, you are wrong. I heard him talk about the Great British Boarding schools and how they developed the character of their pupils with sport, art and music etc.

Yes, he wanted to focus on the core academic subjects, but he did want a well rounded curriculum.

I'm not a teacher but I have been involved with the education system as part of my professional life for nearly twenty years.

True.

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

Well, unfortunately its a bit late for the coming year, but send off for a PGCE application pack for next September. Show us all how its done. Please.

I'm interested to know what worthless subjects our youngsters are being pushed into.

The top Universities and employers have come out and stated that they want: mathematics, english, science, geography , history and foreign languages.

Everything else is considered second best.

and did you know that anyone entering further education without a grade C in Maths and English is obliged to study to that end?

Some of the best private schools in the country no longer teach the GCSE. They either go straight to A level, study the international baccalaureate or do the Cambridge Pre-U diploma."

Good. I'm heaving my sorry, state educated arse up to bed now.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks."

saints preserve us ...so we have a teacher suggesting random people off the internet go and volunteer as workers in a school ....how did we get in this mess ....arrgghhh ...deep breaths !!

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over a year ago

"Also, we need a world class qualification, like the old O Level, and we need teachers that have high expectations of their pupils."

The O Level worked well as it sat alongside the CSE, that gives ALL children a chance to learn. Problem was that it denied access to higher education from children who were not academic at age 11.

Actually I don't see a problem with that, the reason some children are more academic than others is often the parents, and usually the children and the social system they fall into. By segregating them early you get the children who will study and do homework in one stream and those who wont out of the way. It runs deeper than that as well, you need to cut the academic entry into employment that doesn't need it and revert to apprentice based further education, bottom line is without big long term changes we can't go back and forward requires planning and time.

All education suffers from short term tinkering, I know mine did very badly problem is my children's did too, seems that no government is capable of working long term strategies, possibly through fear that the opposition will be in power when good results flow through.

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over a year ago

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy."

Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. How on earth does that enable them to work towards the needs of individual children and teach important life skills? It doesn't. It was back to rote learning. That is not the best way for all children to learn and it would be THOSE children who suffered.

Teachers are entitled to decent working conditions too you know. Who would actually be absolutely fine with "hey everyone, we're going to steadily increase your work load, make your days longer, shorten your holidays... oh and also change your pay scale so you might not get a rise next year... cool with that?" Teachers work LONG hours, they also take work home evenings and weekends, and still have go in during the holidays.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.

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over a year ago

Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks.

saints preserve us ...so we have a teacher suggesting random people off the internet go and volunteer as workers in a school ....how did we get in this mess ....arrgghhh ...deep breaths !!

What's wrong with that? Everyone has to be DBS checked before they can go into a school.

My point was, all these people who are telling me how easy my job is and how I do nothing all day, should really learn wtf they are talking about.

I had a volunteer in my class for a few weeks while she was deciding whether she wanted to do a PGCE. She ended up doing a TA course instead as she had no idea what the job was really like.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

sorry ..who decided he was a moron ?

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over a year ago

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids."

Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.

Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

Oh crap, where is this magical school where teachers work 8-4?

Like I always tell people with your view on teachers work loads... go volunteer in a school for a few weeks. Then we can talk.

Absolutely!

Absofuckinglutely!

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over a year ago

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids."

The teachers want a modular based system so that the pupils can keep on re-taking particular examinations instead of re-sitting an examination that covers the whole curriculum. This makes the teachers job easier.

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over a year ago

Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.

Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.

Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level."

Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels

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over a year ago

"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ?"

Myself for one, and many other people in the education field. Go ask some.

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Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.

Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.

Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level.

Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels"

You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument.

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Lets thank the state schools and teachers for destroying the life opportunities of millions of people.

. What a thoroughly depressing and incorrect view point.

To the best of my knowledge, Over 50% of the Undergraduates at Oxford and Cambridge University were educated in the private sector. However, only 7% of pupils go to a private school.

and the statistics for all the other very good universities in the country?

The other Universities maybe good, but they are not Oxford or Cambridge are they.

Typically, not many people that are entitled to a free school meal go to a University that is a member of the prestigious Russell Group

Is this whole thing about state versus private education with you?

No, the thing is that poor people are having their life opportunities stolen from them and the only man in 20 years, Gove, that has tried to do something about it has lost his job.

However, the teachers are all happy.

But a lot of teachers hated Gove because he was a moron who had no idea how to teach kids.

Coursework only serves to make the teachers job easier. The O level was examination only and rightly so.

Also, Give wanted to abandon the modular based system for a linear system, like the old O Level.

Are you replying to me? Nowhere did I say anything about coursework or O Levels

You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument."

Oh right okay. I was mainly talking about Primary kids and the SATs.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !

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over a year ago

"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ?

Many more people than think he isn't.

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman
over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

"sorry ..who decided he was a moron ?

Myself for one, and many other people in the education field. Go ask some."

Make that two of us in the education field that think he's a moron!

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over a year ago

"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !"

Saints preserve us how did this become a debate about suppressed Africans.

Deep breaths.

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over a year ago

You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument."

Not everything that teachers want is to do with making their jobs easier. If we wanted an easy job then we wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

I would imagine in secondary school, the idea is the same as primary school. Children need to be encouraged to be independent learners... to take some responsibility for their own learning and to continue it outside the classroom. Its also about the application of the skills they have learnt. What good is rote learning and not being able to apply what you've learnt and therefore actually use it?

We moved beyond rote learning as there are better and more effective ways for children to learn. Why would we move backwards?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher.

its the old saying ,

those who can't, teach..

If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise.

Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh.

Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks."

sorry but 11 hour days are part time in busy working 15 hour days

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You did say Gove was making teachers 'teach for the test'. You also mentioned rote learning. This is consistent with the old O Level and many people that favour coursework use this sort of argument.

Not everything that teachers want is to do with making their jobs easier. If we wanted an easy job then we wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

We moved beyond rote learning as there are better and more effective ways for children to learn. Why would we move backwards?"

With respect to coursework, pupils copy and paste it from the internet. How is that learning?

Only the sciences should have coursework because the pupils have to do practical experiments.

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over a year ago

"12 weeks off a year n on a salary, hour off for dinner only work 8-4.. Shit its not like they need anymore good news

I know of no teacher who only works from eight till four. Except possibly your English teacher.

its the old saying ,

those who can't, teach..

If we got paid by the hour we would get an ALMIGHTY pay rise.

Like I already responded to you I work 7.30am - 6.30pm, sometimes later. Your view on teachers workloads is so ridiculously wrong that I cant even be offended, I have to laugh.

Like I also said... go volunteer in a school for a couple of weeks.

sorry but 11 hour days are part time in busy working 15 hour days"

So you concede that teachers work a longer working day than you first suggested ?

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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !"

Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat.

But look at it this way...

Teachers train to be teachers. They usually then have professional development/ training at least once a week for the rest of their careers. They have specialist knowledge about education in general and in certain areas of education.

Michael Gove has none of the above.

If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron.

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over a year ago

It's not just minister for women, she was originally made Minister for equality, a role that traditionally carried the minister for women role, too.

Glad to know the minister for equality is against same-sex marriage. Goodness only know what sort of shit she'll get up to. Yet another good hand laid by the fabulous Tory party.

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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !

Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat.

But look at it this way...

Michael Gove has none of the above.

If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron.

Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications.

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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !

Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat.

But look at it this way...

Michael Gove has none of the above.

If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron.

Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications."

Well there has been some debate on that too.

Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not.

But having specialist subject knowledge and knowing how to teach are two very different things. You need to understand how children learn - the different ways and the challenges they may face. You have to make sure what you're teaching is then accessible for every child in their class no matter what their specific learning requirement is.

The other thing about private schools is they can let in and keep out whoever they want. It will be a completely different cohort of children to an inner London school where you will have higher than national average SEN and children with English as a second language. There will be huge gaps between the top and bottom of the class. This will not be the case in "the best private schools".

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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !

Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat.

But look at it this way...

Michael Gove has none of the above.

If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron.

Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications.

Well there has been some debate on that too.

Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not.

Even at the bottom end, typically, private schools will take on teachers that do not have teaching qualifications. However, generally, all the teachers would have gone to a 'red brick' University. Thanks to Gove, some state academies are now accepting people to teach that do not have any teaching qualifications.

The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications.

To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!!

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"because someone disagrees with you does not make them a moron ...there are parts of africa supressessed with such biggotted views !

Oh that made me laugh. Not the poor suppressed people in Africa before you jump down my throat.

But look at it this way...

Michael Gove has none of the above.

If most teachers disagree with the majority of what he has to say... chances are he's a moron.

Typically, At the best and most expensive private schools, the teachers do not have any teaching qualifications.

Well there has been some debate on that too.

Those schools have the funds to bring in people with specialist subject knowledge. Most schools do not.

The teachers at the private school seem to do a good job without any teaching qualifications.

To the best of my knowledge, if you want to teach GCSE mathematics at a state school, The only academic qualification you need is a grade C in GCSE mathematics!!!"

In addition to a teaching qualification in mathematics with a degree in maths or a mathematics related subject...

And even then there is a shortage...one reason why unqualified teachers are being recruited at these academies....who are then paid unqualified teacher wages.

These unqualified teachers can't be that amazing if students therein rely on additional private tuition (from qualified subject specialists/teachers) where they pay an extra £30+ hour...

Also, regarding coursework.... The government dare not risk getting rid of it, because it helps get results. Under goves rule, it went from 'coursework' to 'controlled assessment'.....a rose by any other name!!!

Like I mentioned before, if he really wanted to drive up standards, year 6 SATS would be externally invigilated, coursework would be abandoned, any coursework related tasks would be undertaken in exam conditions, and overseen by external invigilators...but that won't happen.

He'd also change/raise the grade boundaries, particularly in mathematics where currently, only 30% is required to achieve a C.

OFQUAL would assure that different exam boards met the same strict standards for their exams.

Re: Modular exams. They made it easier FOR the students, not the teacher....who has to allocate more teaching time to teach to the test...again and again.

Interesting recent experiment - some of the best students (a*-a) at a-level were given an a-level exam a couple of months after their actual exam by their red brick universities... Most flunked, because they'd forgotten their subject - that's what happens when you teach to the test. That's what having league tables does.

I'm still wondering...which radical policies, of use, did Gove actually implement - apart from changing lettered grades to numbers - woah!!

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Also, Gove would have also considered reducing class sizes...currently the average in a state school is around 30 though can go up to 32.....

Private school: you'll be looking at 15 per class?

So many reforms are possible....so much potential in the comprehensive, inclusive school system... Sadly the last few years were wasted by a nutty Secretary of State.

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over a year ago

"Gove is no longer the education minister.

I'm not sure that you needed that comma before the word "but" and I think you meant "can not spell, read OR punctuate properly".

Now go and stand in the corner until play time.