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By *anejohnkent6263 OP   Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with every single word of what you wrote !!! xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I don't think strikes have been discussed much this week

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A

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By *eedelightsWoman
over a year ago

London

Great excesses i must have missed out then along the line

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Starts putting out chairs and organising a buffet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do realise that many of the benefits now in place such as safe working environments, the 5 day week, sick pay and holiday pay, employers pension contributions to name a few have all been the result of other people fighting for them, risking their jobs, forming unions to stand together and force employers and governments to act?

While the unions have bought about their own downfall in many ways, try not to get sucked into to the demonisation of people trying to improve the way they're treated by believing the shite peddled by the media, who are finically and politically motivated and working well with various parts of the government who have just awarded themselves a 10% payrise (not to mention their expenses and solid gold, index linked, ring fenced and highly lucrative public funded pension arrangements)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

The private can and does strike

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A

The private can and does strike"

Can? Yes.

But I don't recall anything on the scale of public sector strikes in recent years - ok - ever!

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next. "

Some might others don't the majority will be happy to pay for good staff as long as the money is there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did you know unite in southampton paid the wages of the bin men whilst they were on strike so they did not lose out on money

Common practice apparently ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education."

Well that comment adds little apart from being a sly dig I hope it makes you feel incredibly big and clever!

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education."

The OP made a valid point. You on the other hand offered nothing more than a nasty dig because you don't agree with them. Perhaps the question should be why you do not feel educated enough to engage the OP in considered debate and instead resort to a personal dig?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"

But I don't recall anything on the scale of public sector strikes in recent years - ok - ever!

A"

The pits were repeatedly on strike prior to Nationalisation in 1947. In 1919 there was a huge threat of the big 3 coming out on strike, pits, trains and foundries. All Private industries.

I'll go back to putting up Coal, not dole posters.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next. "

Rubbish. An employer will pay top dollar for the most productive staff. You want more money? Work harder, become better skilled and more productive and your financial reward will increase.

Moan, whine, complain and constantly demand more whilst offering less and don't be surprised when employers get fed up with you.

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By *iverpool LoverMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

The OP made a valid point. You on the other hand offered nothing more than a nasty dig because you don't agree with them. Perhaps the question should be why you do not feel educated enough to engage the OP in considered debate and instead resort to a personal dig?"

not sure what valid point the op made to be honest.

have the balls to leave your job if you dont like the job or the terms, despite the fact for several years inflation has risen and wages hasnt.

there should be more public and private sector strikes for better conditions and pay as company's and employers and the establishment just take the piss out of hard working people.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"

But I don't recall anything on the scale of public sector strikes in recent years - ok - ever!

A

The pits were repeatedly on strike prior to Nationalisation in 1947. In 1919 there was a huge threat of the big 3 coming out on strike, pits, trains and foundries. All Private industries.

I'll go back to putting up Coal, not dole posters.

"

Like I said.

Recent years!

A

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next.

Rubbish. An employer will pay top dollar for the most productive staff. You want more money? Work harder, become better skilled and more productive and your financial reward will increase.

Moan, whine, complain and constantly demand more whilst offering less and don't be surprised when employers get fed up with you."

isnt it sweet when people can be so naive?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

Well that comment adds little apart from being a sly dig I hope it makes you feel incredibly big and clever! "

Sorry did I miss the big intellectual part?

I read a cheap dig. I responded with one, albeit one that I think is perfectly valid. It seems you did too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

The OP made a valid point. You on the other hand offered nothing more than a nasty dig because you don't agree with them. Perhaps the question should be why you do not feel educated enough to engage the OP in considered debate and instead resort to a personal dig?"

Considered debate

My point is valid too. The original question is a great example for our need to invest in education, not neglect it. Others made since similarly endorse this point.

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By *anejohnkent6263 OP   Couple
over a year ago

canterbury

the day we done graammer and spelllin at skool the bloody teachers were on strike again or was it there 14 weeks holiday period.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the day we done graammer and spelllin at skool the bloody teachers were on strike again or was it there 14 weeks holiday period......."

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

Public sector pensions have been attacked and changed, there have been no pay rises, departments are being cut willy nilly, but more work is being asked of those who are left. Terms and conditions are constantly changing. This was the situation when I left local government two years ago and from what colleagues tell me, it's getting worse. I now work in the private sector and things are exactly the same here although we did get a pay rise and a bonus. Bonuses in the public sector were done away with many years ago. Police, fire, NHS staff all do difficult and dangerous jobs sometimes and should be paid accordingly. It is totally wrong that MPs look to award themselves a 32% pay rise, are still fiddling their expenses and now another claim of abuses. And people ask me why I'm voting Yes for independence?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

or your happy to roll over and take what is chucked at you then moan like fuck when others actually stand up for what they believe is right..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I recall when you had to "opt in" to work on a Sunday, as this was never going to be the normal expectation from employers.. now it is a given in many workplaces and what is worse, it is "accepted" by the masses as normal.

At what point do people make a stand, when it is too late to change??

If you feel you are in a rut in your job, then that is different. But if you are being coerced into agreeing to unacceptable pay or conditions then take the appropriate action.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next.

Rubbish. An employer will pay top dollar for the most productive staff. You want more money? Work harder, become better skilled and more productive and your financial reward will increase.

Moan, whine, complain and constantly demand more whilst offering less and don't be surprised when employers get fed up with you."

Does this only apply to the employees, haven't seen any productivity increases from the fat cats who have lined thier pockets while the recession was really hitting other people hard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i can see both sides to this - yes i agree many people are grossly underpaid for the job they do - but - they go into these jobs knowing what the score is - i myself am a carer - minimum wage and probably more like well below as we give a lot of hours from house to house that is unpaid blah blah - i am fortunate to be employed and now not much better off than the dole but i have my pride knowing im working

for what i get

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

So! On the one hand we have a thread advising someone who has been spoken to by their employer who has fairly valid (as far as I can) see grounds for thinking their authority might be undermined by gossip being advised that their human rights have been infringed and they should seek legal help and on another we have a thread saying that employees should put up and shut up.

Is it me?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"So! On the one hand we have a thread advising someone who has been spoken to by their employer who has fairly valid (as far as I can) see grounds for thinking their authority might be undermined by gossip being advised that their human rights have been infringed and they should seek legal help and on another we have a thread saying that employees should put up and shut up.

Is it me? "

Nope...just another day in Fabland

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

This is my post on the public vs private sector thread. Reading the OP and no more I think it might fit here as well.

"I haven't read through this thread. I have seen it popping to the top every so often but have ignored for now. Then I read an article yesterday...

An Ipsos Mori poll carried out in February this year and weighted to match population profile found that 79% of those polled say trade unions are essential to protect workers' interests. This is regardless of whether the workers are in the public or private sector.

Unsurprisingly the weighting shows that 90% of public sector workers feel this is true. 84% of Labour supporters also say this. More surprisingly, 65% of Conservative supporters also feel this."

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

The public sector doesn't get paid when they're on strike either

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

So you don't believe in a persons right to withdraw their labour??

Tragic.......

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

For me unions have thier place, will they ever be as strong as they were maybe not. As for striking, I was caught up in the Gatwick Airport strikes years ago. Did I gain anything from being out on strike, no I didn't I lost over £100 a day in lost salary.

There was a company years ago at an airport the workers voted for a work to rule, the airport saw thier bad results and kicked them off the airport. How did the union help them?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A

So you don't believe in a persons right to withdraw their labour??

Tragic....... "

I do - I just don't agree with it! Not when it impacts on others in a negative way such as the removal of often essential (and possibly emergency) services.

Has a mass walk out ever been the single deciding factor in an employer - public or private - changing policies?

Can these things not be solved by dialogue, discussion and negotiation?

Otherwise is mass strike action and downing tools not just a form of attempted blackmail - if you don't change what we want we won't work?

I'd rather two sides engaged in constructive conversation rather than what seems to be the acceptable method of walking out.

A

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

The problem is that there are quite a few who do deserve a pay rise or at least a review of their pay scale, unfortunately their union also represents other's who have very good pay and associated benefits which are gold standard in comparison to the private sector. The union wants everyone's pay to rise which would mean those with the higher salaries would get even more. I support the lower waged request for higher pay as their bills have gone up like everyone else's and they have little or nothing left at the end of the week, it's the others who have well above national average who regard the public purse as their personal piggy bank I cannot support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A

So you don't believe in a persons right to withdraw their labour??

Tragic.......

I do - I just don't agree with it! Not when it impacts on others in a negative way such as the removal of often essential (and possibly emergency) services.

Has a mass walk out ever been the single deciding factor in an employer - public or private - changing policies?

Can these things not be solved by dialogue, discussion and negotiation?

Otherwise is mass strike action and downing tools not just a form of attempted blackmail - if you don't change what we want we won't work?

I'd rather two sides engaged in constructive conversation rather than what seems to be the acceptable method of walking out.

A"

What do you do when you can't have a constructive conversation? You have tried and nothing happens? The Dagenham women's equal pay fight for instance. Should they have just carried on?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education."

Mwahahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A"

We didn't get paid and we value our customers too.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've got the answer!

Everyone should be on £10k per work day per year, regardless of role, skills or training. So, if you work 3 days a week you get £30k pa but if you work 7 you get £70k pa. Sorted.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"It does amuse me that public sector workers think they're any different to private sector workers!

Final salary pensions? Vanished from the private sector long ago.

Pay rises? Well I've not had one for three years and I know plenty of others in the same boat!

Changes to working conditions? There's been no end of that in the private sector for years.

Does the private sector down tools and impact the general public causing them time, cost and practical issues?

No. Because we can't, wouldn't get paid and value our customers too much.

A

So you don't believe in a persons right to withdraw their labour??

Tragic.......

I do - I just don't agree with it! Not when it impacts on others in a negative way such as the removal of often essential (and possibly emergency) services.

Has a mass walk out ever been the single deciding factor in an employer - public or private - changing policies?

Can these things not be solved by dialogue, discussion and negotiation?

Otherwise is mass strike action and downing tools not just a form of attempted blackmail - if you don't change what we want we won't work?

I'd rather two sides engaged in constructive conversation rather than what seems to be the acceptable method of walking out.

A

What do you do when you can't have a constructive conversation? You have tried and nothing happens? The Dagenham women's equal pay fight for instance. Should they have just carried on?

"

No.

And since that resulted in the 1970 Equal Pay Act it served it's purpose.

But that was 46 years ago. Equality laws are in place, as is health and safety legislation and much more in terms of employment law.

The modern day strike action bears little similarity to the strikes of days gone by.

These days it's more about pensions, pay and working hours.

Which are fully able to be discussed without strike action that impedes on essential public services.

I doubt it'll ever happen though when it seems the easier and more public option (aimed mainly at generating public sympathy from those who probably know little of the detail, facts and basic economic factors) is to strike.

A

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

I'd rather two sides engaged in constructive conversation rather than what seems to be the acceptable method of walking out.

A

What do you do when you can't have a constructive conversation? You have tried and nothing happens? The Dagenham women's equal pay fight for instance. Should they have just carried on?

No.

And since that resulted in the 1970 Equal Pay Act it served it's purpose.

But that was 46 years ago. Equality laws are in place, as is health and safety legislation and much more in terms of employment law.

The modern day strike action bears little similarity to the strikes of days gone by.

These days it's more about pensions, pay and working hours.

Which are fully able to be discussed without strike action that impedes on essential public services.

I doubt it'll ever happen though when it seems the easier and more public option (aimed mainly at generating public sympathy from those who probably know little of the detail, facts and basic economic factors) is to strike.

A

"

There are always new battles. As pensions become more of a factor in our lives that it the battleground.

The Equal Pay Act is still not fully adhered to - look at Birmingham Council and the mess they are in because they chose to ignore it.

Sometimes the fights are about reminding us all of the rights we are supposed to have that are being flouted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post. etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

There are desperate shortages of people applying for jobs like these - teachers, firemen, police, nurses, doctors, paramedics etc. Low starting wages, expensive qualifications needed, increased responsibilities and duties are all reducing the amount of suitable applicants for these jobs.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"

I'd rather two sides engaged in constructive conversation rather than what seems to be the acceptable method of walking out.

A

What do you do when you can't have a constructive conversation? You have tried and nothing happens? The Dagenham women's equal pay fight for instance. Should they have just carried on?

No.

And since that resulted in the 1970 Equal Pay Act it served it's purpose.

But that was 46 years ago. Equality laws are in place, as is health and safety legislation and much more in terms of employment law.

The modern day strike action bears little similarity to the strikes of days gone by.

These days it's more about pensions, pay and working hours.

Which are fully able to be discussed without strike action that impedes on essential public services.

I doubt it'll ever happen though when it seems the easier and more public option (aimed mainly at generating public sympathy from those who probably know little of the detail, facts and basic economic factors) is to strike.

A

There are always new battles. As pensions become more of a factor in our lives that it the battleground.

The Equal Pay Act is still not fully adhered to - look at Birmingham Council and the mess they are in because they chose to ignore it.

Sometimes the fights are about reminding us all of the rights we are supposed to have that are being flouted.

"

Pensions is a time bomb.

Final salary schemes are unsustainable - there just isn't the money to pay the ever increasing population of ex-employees reliant on the pot.

Those private companies - along with some public bodies - that saw the problem coming have changed things to both ensure that those already in retirement AND present employees are catered for. Sure, it would be great be on a guaranteed income - but that has to be funded from somewhere. Hence the prevalence of DC schemes where the more you pay in (and for longer) the better you're likely to be.

I missed out on my companies final salary scheme by 18 months. I'll get out of it what I've paid in (plus employer contributions) dependant on pension performance. Colleagues with 2 more years service will leave on a guaranteed annual sum. Am I pissed off at this? No. Was there strike action when the changes happened? No. The firm consulted with the unions, the unions consulted with their members and the facts were communicated - the system changes or there wouldn't be enough money to meet the pension schemes responsibilities.

I understand the economics. It was an emotive subject but one solved without a single days strike action.

There have been changes since then to working patterns, job roles and responsibilities and redundancies. All involving negotiation and discussion with all concerned. And no strikes.

Maybe of course I'm living in a dream world and wishing for the impossible - but having seen it first hand within my firm - and many others in the private (and public) sector - I have a tainted view of strike action, certain unions leadership and behaviour, and certainly many of the political activists who leap on any dispute for their own motives rather than those affected by proposed changes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The race to the bottom has finally started, be proud when you're the lowest earner who works the longest hours and gets no holidays or pension. Just remember you can't moan about it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"The race to the bottom has finally started, be proud when you're the lowest earner who works the longest hours and gets no holidays or pension. Just remember you can't moan about it. "

I have found that lots of people in a work situation are more than happy for other people to put their neck on the line to fight their corner for them. Best of both worlds, they get all the benefits with none of the risk.

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over a year ago


"The race to the bottom has finally started, be proud when you're the lowest earner who works the longest hours and gets no holidays or pension. Just remember you can't moan about it.

I have found that lots of people in a work situation are more than happy for other people to put their neck on the line to fight their corner for them. Best of both worlds, they get all the benefits with none of the risk."

When I used to work on the trains we used to say to the non strikers that they had to put whatever pay rise they got from our strikes into a charity fund as they obviously didn't want the benefits we fought for.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The race to the bottom has finally started, be proud when you're the lowest earner who works the longest hours and gets no holidays or pension. Just remember you can't moan about it.

I have found that lots of people in a work situation are more than happy for other people to put their neck on the line to fight their corner for them. Best of both worlds, they get all the benefits with none of the risk.

When I used to work on the trains we used to say to the non strikers that they had to put whatever pay rise they got from our strikes into a charity fund as they obviously didn't want the benefits we fought for. "

You didn't get it for them, silly. The magic pay fairy visited them.

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over a year ago


"The race to the bottom has finally started, be proud when you're the lowest earner who works the longest hours and gets no holidays or pension. Just remember you can't moan about it.

I have found that lots of people in a work situation are more than happy for other people to put their neck on the line to fight their corner for them. Best of both worlds, they get all the benefits with none of the risk.

When I used to work on the trains we used to say to the non strikers that they had to put whatever pay rise they got from our strikes into a charity fund as they obviously didn't want the benefits we fought for.

You didn't get it for them, silly. The magic pay fairy visited them."

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By *bony in IvoryCouple
over a year ago

Black&White Utopia

Sometimes people are pushed into a corner with two choices... Either put up with all or stand up and be counted.

Dont think its ever as clear cut as 'you have a job you like with working conditions' . Because nxt day , suddenly its tough! we made changes and decided you are not worthy of consultations.. If you dont like change or unfairness just fuck off! Who realistically is going to take that with out some feathers being rustled?!

Not saying yes or no to strikes... But am saying I can see why some have no options but to do so ( mrs)

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Sometimes people are pushed into a corner with two choices... Either put up with all or stand up and be counted.

Dont think its ever as clear cut as 'you have a job you like with working conditions' . Because nxt day , suddenly its tough! we made changes and decided you are not worthy of consultations.. If you dont like change or unfairness just fuck off! Who realistically is going to take that with out some feathers being rustled?!

Not saying yes or no to strikes... But am saying I can see why some have no options but to do so ( mrs) "

I have been on both sides of the table: as a union rep early on in my working life and as the CEO negotiating with a union later on. If it reaches the point of strike action then communication has failed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why has it got to be a race to the bottom?

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"Did you know unite in southampton paid the wages of the bin men whilst they were on strike so they did not lose out on money

Common practice apparently ,"

I think you'll find that Unite pay strike pay of £30 a day. This is in their rule book which has been agreed by members through their democratic processes. GMB and Unison don't pay strike pay for single days of action. Again these are their rules as voted for by their conferences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

Which is why we now have so many problem kids, schools spending more time closed than open, if you want to invest in education then put teachers on a 37 hour week with 5 weeks holiday a year then the kids might learn something. TA's what are they about? Can't teacher handle the pupils anymore?

They had respect when I went to school and the teacher taught a class of up to 30 and there were less problems from kids in my day.

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By *-4pleasureCouple
over a year ago

Belfast


"Why has it got to be a race to the bottom?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

Which is why we now have so many problem kids, schools spending more time closed than open, if you want to invest in education then put teachers on a 37 hour week with 5 weeks holiday a year then the kids might learn something. TA's what are they about? Can't teacher handle the pupils anymore?

They had respect when I went to school and the teacher taught a class of up to 30 and there were less problems from kids in my day."

Teachers would love to come down to a 37 hour week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

Which is why we now have so many problem kids, schools spending more time closed than open, if you want to invest in education then put teachers on a 37 hour week with 5 weeks holiday a year then the kids might learn something. TA's what are they about? Can't teacher handle the pupils anymore?

They had respect when I went to school and the teacher taught a class of up to 30 and there were less problems from kids in my day."

37 hours!! You'd need to double the amount of teachers to do that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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They had respect when I went to school and the teacher taught a class of up to 30 and there were less problems from kids in my day."

Thirty two in a class is not uncommon in our local school.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

smiling at how people view a teachers life , as if its all arrive at five to nine and knock off at three

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"smiling at how people view a teachers life , as if its all arrive at five to nine and knock off at three "

under no illusions here about teachers - we got a few in the family and one kid heading in that direction

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The negative comments are born out of envy of perceptions based on ignorance.

If we end up with a teacher shortage and poor standards in schools the costs will be huge, in every sense. No society has ever developed without investment in education. With the increase in competition in science, technology, creative industries etc.across the world, it's more important than ever. Intelligence and education will be the key commodity for a small island like us.

On the otherhand maybe teachers should just go get a job in a bank or marketing and stop moaning?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


""strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

I think you're a great example of why we need to invest more in education.

Which is why we now have so many problem kids, schools spending more time closed than open, if you want to invest in education then put teachers on a 37 hour week with 5 weeks holiday a year then the kids might learn something. TA's what are they about? Can't teacher handle the pupils anymore?

They had respect when I went to school and the teacher taught a class of up to 30 and there were less problems from kids in my day."

Thats because any troubled kids were institutionalised...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to be a childminder and earned 3 pounds an hour per child. I now work in a school and my colleague and I worked out that we get paid around 7 pence per hour per child. ..I wasn't on strike yesterday but I fully support everyone who was

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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago

upton wirral

agree 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's because when we were kids ADHD was a myth not a claimable disability

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,

You should bear in mind that employers will use any excuse they can to pay you less. You might be next.

Rubbish. An employer will pay top dollar for the most productive staff. You want more money? Work harder, become better skilled and more productive and your financial reward will increase.

Moan, whine, complain and constantly demand more whilst offering less and don't be surprised when employers get fed up with you.

isnt it sweet when people can be so naive?"

I live in the UK, my business is in the USA and most of my customers are Chinese. As a consequence, I spend time in all of these societies.

Your perception of me being naive is a consequence of your small world myopia. In the wider world, the economy is globalised and irrespective of how you want things to be, I can absolutely assure you that poorly educated and poorly skilled people in this country are going to have a really shit time for the foreseeable future. Acquiring competitive skills and offering more in terms of ability will be the only way to make improvements to social standing by earning more money.

The private sector is already living this reality because the "race to the bottom" is in fact an economic correction brought about by this country (and everyone living in it) living way above their means. In the global economy, productivity is everything and this or any other government will need to keep a degree of comparability between public and private sector conditions.

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"strikers grrrrrrrrr if u dont like ya job or terms etc have the balls to leave and find another job , theres plenty about in the real world and plenty of people to take your post.teachers firemen police etc etc take note yr time of great excesses are over welcome to the real world,"

Spoken like a true dickhead!

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