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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are you for or against them why do they get to strike but we get fined for taking our own kids on holiday. Are they more worried about targets or the actual children they teach.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

It's not just teachers going on strike so to single them out is disingenuous. Your believe in their reasons for striking is also inaccurate and simplistic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are they not allowed to strike then

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

It's not just teachers it's council workers as well...they are striking because they are not getting one 1% pay increase and unison are fighting for more...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"It's not just teachers it's council workers as well...they are striking because they are not getting one 1% pay increase and unison are fighting for more..."

Many may not strike as you don't get paid for the strike day and to some they can't afford to strike

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you for or against them why do they get to strike but we get fined for taking our own kids on holiday. Are they more worried about targets or the actual children they teach."

Strike all they want in my opinion, they work bloody hard and deserve decent pay and conditions.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"It's not just teachers it's council workers as well...they are striking because they are not getting one 1% pay increase and unison are fighting for more..."

And of course with the rate of inflation, in real terms, it's a pay cut. Which they have had for several years. No idea why some civil servants are going on strike. Yes, it affects me. I've got to have a days holiday to look after the kids and I don't get that many days. We shall go to the beach! Hurrah!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of private sector workers have had a stagnant wage for years now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is 1% of a good wage isn't bad, but for those who are on a minimum wage it's nothing is it?

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Also.... the education sector is one area where some people get VERY low wages. Many people are paid minimum wage for their work. Because they only get paid TERM-TIME, their wage is paid Pro-Rata... this is where their wage is totted up for the year and split into twelve monthly payments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living "

not particularly highly paid considering how long it takes to get qualified and the preparation and planning that they do in their own time very often.

As for poor performance. ..A lot of that is attributable to parents lack of investment and interest in their own children.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

anyone who thinks that teachers only work those hours should perhaps talk to some..

and why would anyone remove their labour when they're not at work?

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

Ha !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

Would you strike on your day off or at the weekend?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you for or against them why do they get to strike but we get fined for taking our own kids on holiday. Are they more worried about targets or the actual children they teach.

Strike all they want in my opinion, they work bloody hard and deserve decent pay and conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living

not particularly highly paid considering how long it takes to get qualified and the preparation and planning that they do in their own time very often.

As for poor performance. ..A lot of that is attributable to parents lack of investment and interest in their own children. "

Too many parents blame the teachers yet do nothing to help their kids.

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

People's opinion of teachers is frankly quite shocking, my sister is a teacher who often is up until 1am marking...prepping for lessons and other work related stuff..it saddens me that people have such a low opinion of those that are teaching the next generation.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise ! "

equally you could pose a more balanced question about raising revenue with general taxation being part of it..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise ! "

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing how many parents are more concerned about being inconvenienced by the strike rather than the loss of a day's education! Appears they see school as little more than child-care

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

They don't earn a partially high wage for what they do and what they have to put up with, and considering the amount of training that they do, I'm sure most teaching staff would love to work only 37 hours a week instead of the 40 + that they do actually work, and can't see anyone striking on a non working day, wouldn't have the same impact that they are looking to achieve.

It's not just teachers that are holding strike action, quite a few public sector workers are going down this route to try and get fairer wages and conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living "

They are not "allowed" to strike, our predecessors worked bloody hard and suffered a great deal of hardship to earn the right to belong to a Union and have a say in their working conditions, Would you prefer to go back to the good old days when you could be told to do something that you knew was wrong or just downright stupid and sacked on the spot if you refused.

Many people today work in relative safety due to the Trade Union Movement, Sorry if that Inconveniences you.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise ! "

I'd rather any revenue was spent on public sector workers than tax breaks for the rich. The vast majority of those with the ability to read and communicate on this thread....be grateful for the teachers who taught you to read and gave you an education to get qualifications and a job. Give something back.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take."

whats 'cree' if I may ask?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both my children's schools have a strong leadership team who manage strike action effectively to ensure any impact is minimum.

I think teaching is very under valued these days & if the union feels the need to strike for better pay then so be it.

and like someone else mentioned teachers don't finish at 3.15 when the pupils do!

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

im striking,i haven't had a pay rise for 4 years,we asked to go to ACAS but even that was turned down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Amazing how many parents are more concerned about being inconvenienced by the strike rather than the loss of a day's education! Appears they see school as little more than child-care"

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take."

Dinner ladies get paid very little. Im surprised the school has closed purely and soley on that reason. No rise for 10 years? Viagra....

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

whats 'cree' if I may ask?"

Ever play 'touch off ground' or other playground games? t was like a mythical, magical 'You cant get me for a little while' kind of place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Amazing how many parents are more concerned about being inconvenienced by the strike rather than the loss of a day's education! Appears they see school as little more than child-care"

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

Dinner ladies get paid very little. Im surprised the school has closed purely and soley on that reason. No rise for 10 years? Viagra....

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if it was just the Dinner Ladies on strike im sure you could make her a packed lunch,

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

Dinner ladies get paid very little. Im surprised the school has closed purely and soley on that reason. No rise for 10 years? Viagra....

Im too tight to pay for that shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the teachers won't strike at my daughters school, well in the past anyway.

And we have not been told of anything different.

Her

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

Dinner ladies get paid very little. Im surprised the school has closed purely and soley on that reason. No rise for 10 years? Viagra....

if it was just the Dinner Ladies on strike im sure you could make her a packed lunch,"

Bit of a waste if the school have said the school will be closed. If it was OPEN she would be having a packed lunch.

I forgot to add it the strike covers the care takers - its probably more to do with that but the bulk of the letter spoke about the caterer's

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

whats 'cree' if I may ask?

Ever play 'touch off ground' or other playground games? t was like a mythical, magical 'You cant get me for a little while' kind of place."

so is on 'cree' a good or bad thing for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living "

Ok some simple facts;

Teachers performance is monitored throughout the school year and poor performing teachers can be put out of a job in 12 weeks

Teachers aren't paid for the summer break and most teachers work in holidays in order to prepare lessons or mark

Degree educated people tend to earn more in the private sector than teachers, who have a ceiling on pay

The right to strike is one hard fought for by generations before us, do we simply lie down and do what we are told?

If we don't make a stand then education and the NHS will become a paid for service where you will have to pay to get better services with a poor standard base service provided as free

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't believe this is being mentioned again - it's a strike, they're entitled to it just as much as any other worker in the world, in my eyes, if they feel their conditions and pay don't reflect the job they do.

A great teacher makes a massive difference to the child / your children / the next generation, etc. It's one day out of what is never a 9-5 job.

No different to tube strikes, firefighters, or if doctors were doing it, or other areas of work, and if they're entitled to it - do we not want the best conditions for teachers of our next generation, and I bet a lot of people don't know the full details of the reasons behind the strike etc.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I havent had a rise for about 10 years.

I get annoyed with anyone that strikes but the emergency services are kind of on 'cree'.

Tomorrow I think the dinner ladies are on strike so my Daughter has a day off. That is a piss take.

whats 'cree' if I may ask?

Ever play 'touch off ground' or other playground games? t was like a mythical, magical 'You cant get me for a little while' kind of place.

so is on 'cree' a good or bad thing for you?

As a kid my cry of 'Stop that, it hurts and Im on cree' kind of fell on deaf ears, as an Adult Ive been perched on 'Cree' since I was about 21 - Its a great way to live your life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just want to add, I wasn't annoyed with anyone, especially the OP - just surprised some people are so against it, seems a little short sighted etc.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living

Ok some simple facts;

Teachers performance is monitored throughout the school year and poor performing teachers can be put out of a job in 12 weeks

Teachers aren't paid for the summer break and most teachers work in holidays in order to prepare lessons or mark

Degree educated people tend to earn more in the private sector than teachers, who have a ceiling on pay

The right to strike is one hard fought for by generations before us, do we simply lie down and do what we are told?

If we don't make a stand then education and the NHS will become a paid for service where you will have to pay to get better services with a poor standard base service provided as free

My teaching friends all get paid in full during holidays. Junior school and Senior school teachers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100 percent behind the teacher strikes.we are also striking next week

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im completely with the teachers on this.

Here in liverpool there is staff cuts, wage caps etc yet in the last month 1 head of a very poor school has recieved a £40,000 pay increase.

How is that fair? Thats 2 peoples wages for the year. She gets that ontop of the 140,000 she already got. How can they talk about laying staff off from the same place in 1 report then announce her wage increase.

I will support them 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support."

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living

Ok some simple facts;

Teachers performance is monitored throughout the school year and poor performing teachers can be put out of a job in 12 weeks

Teachers aren't paid for the summer break and most teachers work in holidays in order to prepare lessons or mark

Degree educated people tend to earn more in the private sector than teachers, who have a ceiling on pay

The right to strike is one hard fought for by generations before us, do we simply lie down and do what we are told?

If we don't make a stand then education and the NHS will become a paid for service where you will have to pay to get better services with a poor standard base service provided as free

My teaching friends all get paid in full during holidays. Junior school and Senior school teachers"

Yhey get paid pro rata over the year but the salary they get is for term time hours only I believe. Same as if you had job where the hours were heavier in the winter but your salary is paid in equal chunks over the year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People's opinion of teachers is frankly quite shocking, my sister is a teacher who often is up until 1am marking...prepping for lessons and other work related stuff..it saddens me that people have such a low opinion of those that are teaching the next generation. "

Me too. I trained as teacher (PGCE) in 2009, A level Physics. A degree plus 2 years training for less than a receptionist at the local childrens ball pit place!! ... I left before graduation, could not afford to stay.

Teaching was brilliant, so rewarding, great fun and my year 7, 8, 10, and 12 classes all begged me to stay .. Best teacher some said.

The hours are crazy, no break in the day at all, not even for the loo. 10 classes of 30, that is 300 homeworks to mark, plus prep for lessons plus after school events. Only way to mark so much was to include weekends ... Lesson plans mandatory and submitted to dept head.

It shocks me how so many have such a low opinion, including the idiot Gove. So any parents look at schools as cheap child care, yet they are the competative future of our country.

I think they should get significant pay increase as so many are leaving. A local secondary school is losing 16 teachers this summer, they cannot afford to stay.

I think when everything id failing, the standards are in the tank, the schools have lost all the good teachers then the politicians will look at each other and wonder what they have done ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Against it. You never see nurses striking. They need to remember why they decided to do the job if it was for money they need a career change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have just phoned my daughters school, three are on strike, but the school will always remain open during strikes.

They have stated no child should suffer, regardless of their strikes.

Her

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living

Ok some simple facts;

Teachers performance is monitored throughout the school year and poor performing teachers can be put out of a job in 12 weeks

Teachers aren't paid for the summer break and most teachers work in holidays in order to prepare lessons or mark

Degree educated people tend to earn more in the private sector than teachers, who have a ceiling on pay

The right to strike is one hard fought for by generations before us, do we simply lie down and do what we are told?

If we don't make a stand then education and the NHS will become a paid for service where you will have to pay to get better services with a poor standard base service provided as free

My teaching friends all get paid in full during holidays. Junior school and Senior school teachers

Not one of them is struggling in regards to money, nice cars, nice houses, nice holidays - deservedly so aswell may I add.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Amazing how many parents are more concerned about being inconvenienced by the strike rather than the loss of a day's education! Appears they see school as little more than child-care"

Yes they have kids these days but dont want to look after them. cant even make them breakfast.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

"Against it. You never see nurses striking. They need to remember why they decided to do the job if it was for money they need a career change. "

Nurses often strike. My Dad stood with the nurses twice last year alone.

Firefighters, prison officers and probation staff are striking tomorrow. Yet people are more concerned with the teachers because it inconveniences them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Against it. You never see nurses striking. They need to remember why they decided to do the job if it was for money they need a career change. "

Which rather misses the point that the cause of the strikes is the change of conditions. Money being pretty far down the list of current concerns.

Don't believe for one second that nurses don't want to strike. There's a rather obvious reason that they don't and it's nothing to do with their job satisfaction.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

From the Torygraph

Millions of public sector workers, including council employees, doctors and NHS managers were told that their pay would be frozen in 2010-11, following attempts by the Labour Government to clamp down on public spending. The Coalition continued the freeze for all but the lowest paid – extending it to cover all health care staff as well as teachers and the armed forces in 2011-12 and the current financial year.

The pay levels among the most senior executives are the result of years of salary rises for NHS managers. Earnings of those running hospitals rose by 28 per cent between 2006 and 2011, compared with an average rise of 19 per cent for nurses, and less than 11 per cent in the private sector.

In total, 76 per cent of hospital trust chief executives were paid more than David Cameron's £142,500 salary in 2010 -11, the figures show, with average earnings of £163,500.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"From the Torygraph

In total, 76 per cent of hospital trust chief executives were paid more than David Cameron's £142,500 salary in 2010 -11, the figures show, with average earnings of £163,500.

I love how they mange to spin that a Tory government making the wealthy wealthier is not their fault! And neglect to point out that rather than struggling by on his £140k salary, David doesn't actually need any salary at all because he's already minted!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"As for the rest of public sector, well I have not had a pay rise since 2006 and they get cost of living, as my council tax goes up every year ... I have no sympathy there, in fact it makes my blood boil they get cost of living ... "

Cost of living, do you mean London weighting type allowances?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I had been paid a cost of living rise since the pay freeze...i would now have had almost £7k extra in my hand!

look at the rate of fuel, food, transport increases... They are way above 1%.

By the way the 1% isnt directly a percentage of salary.. Its for the overall pay bill.

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By *andG4moreCouple
over a year ago

Dunbartonshire

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

But I take then that all the marking and preparation to teach the lessons etc will need done in the 37 hours. So then either the children will get less time with teacher or lots of the stuff that is produced wont get done so who looses out your kids.

Think someone needs to actually see how much work goes into teaching a class of 30 children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed - if teachers actually just striked during holidays and after the school day... schools would soon have to close down because teaching would be impossible.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to write a rant about the public sector in general but got halfway through it and decided i could not be bothered with the argument.

Bottom line is Teachers work hard, yes they could probably be paid more. Did they know what the salaries were when they picked it as a career, YES.

Should they expect sympathy from the single parent who is on minimum wage and struggling financially, that has had to take a day off work unpaid as their child cant go to school, NO.

The Public sector versus private sector is a completely different debate...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bottom line is Teachers work hard, yes they could probably be paid more. Did they know what the salaries were when they picked it as a career, YES.

Actually the answer is NO.

They thought they knew, then they changed. They don't like the changes. Should everybody just bend over and take it?

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By *ajandroseMan
over a year ago

tamworth

Well said and factually correct

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bottom line is Teachers work hard, yes they could probably be paid more. Did they know what the salaries were when they picked it as a career, YES.

Actually the answer is NO.

They thought they knew, then they changed. They don't like the changes. Should everybody just bend over and take it?"
Things change. I Work in a job linked very heavily to the construction industry, when the crash happpened i had to take a pay cut to keep my job. Thankfully things are recovering and my salary is back to where it was in 2007, but that also means that i have not had any form of pay rise in 7 years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of public sector workers are on or only just above miminum wage, im one of them. Part time hours and crap pay but at least im working.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd love a 1% automatic pay rise.

I work in the private sector and there are NO automatic cost of living pay rises.

So I am against the cheek of striking like this.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I believe every worker should have the right to withdraw their labour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!! "

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I believe every worker should have the right to withdraw their labour. "

Agreed 100%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think in threads like this you will always end in tears. Probably why my wife wont let me discuss these topics at dinner parties. We all have to accept that everyone is going to have their own opinion on a subject,wether you agree with it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise ! "

You could argue that the public sector bailed out the private sector when they all got greedy and messed up the banking sector. Now they all have to have their contracts changed and pensions altered to bail them out through no fault of their own.

Bottom line is if you start comparing you get bitter and twisted. Everyone should expect to be treated fairly for working hard. ...and let's remember they spent several years training to be qualified. I support all public sector and it's a disgrace that people are so negative about our countries services.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

"I believe every worker should have the right to withdraw their labour.

Agreed 100%."

As does the European Court of Human Rights

Article 11(1) of the European Convention on Human Rights provides: "Everyone has the right… to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests."

However the Grand Chamber of the ECtHR recognises the right to collective bargaining as in principle being inherent in the right to form and join trade unions holding that, "The terms of the Convention require that the law should allow trade unions, in any manner not contrary to article 11, to act in defence of their members’ interests… Strike action, which enables a trade union to make its voice heard, constitutes an important aspect in the protection of trade union members’ interests…”

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By *xxwiganMan
over a year ago

LEIGH

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here."

Simple solution, join a union who will fight to get you better terms and conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here.

Simple solution, join a union who will fight to get you better terms and conditions."

You can do that but its a far different situation in the private sector even the union can't get wages for a company to run at a financial loss they will shut first in the public sector that hasn't happened in the past its only in recent years they have said no more thats it. Unions have good points but the strikes in the last decade are in general unsuccessful.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

The 'and conditions' bit is very important.

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By *xxwiganMan
over a year ago

LEIGH

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here.

Simple solution, join a union who will fight to get you better terms and conditions.

If workers stick together they win, governments will divide and conquer. they did it in the nhs years ago. all workers went on strike, nurses given what they wanted then went back to work but left other workers in the lurch. so all unionised workers need to stick together and not take a selfish attitude once they get what they want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least they have the option to strike....have a thought for the poor Armed Forces....the government treats them appallingly and it is illegal for those guys....and girls...to strike.

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over a year ago

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here.

Simple solution, join a union who will fight to get you better terms and conditions.

Win what redundancy because wage demands make it not viable to make a profit operating in the UK?

And the nurses did win and how much debt are hospital trusts in round the country? How many foreign nurses have they brought in? How many wards are short staffed? If thats your idea of winning god help us.

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over a year ago

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

WTF! Strike when they are not in work! How would that work? These strikes affect me as I will be on strike ( not a teacher though) the idea of a strike is to show people can't be walked all over.

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By *xxwiganMan
over a year ago

LEIGH

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise !

What utter bollocks!!! People deserve a pay rise along with the cost of living there are some public sector workers who haven't had a pay rise in 4 years!!

What about private sector workers who ONLY get pay rises on performance. No cross industry everyone gets pay rises here.

Simple solution, join a union who will fight to get you better terms and conditions.

Win what redundancy because wage demands make it not viable to make a profit operating in the UK?

Winning redundancy as an nhs manager is like winning the lottery.

The state of the nhs is down to mismanagement and not staffing cost.

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over a year ago

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living "

So can a teacher who is performing well strke ?

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over a year ago

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????

I'm sure teachers would love to come down to the 37 hour national average instead of the 50-60 hours they work now.

And strike during school holidays, what do you mean ? I am totally baffled by this statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain? "

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

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over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed. "

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly. "

Why not do something about it then like those in the public sector?

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over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly. "

I can't really understand the let's all suffer together mentality. Life is shit for some, so don't complain if it becomes shit for you too?

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over a year ago

"I'd love a 1% automatic pay rise.

I work in the private sector and there are NO automatic cost of living pay rises.

So I am against the cheek of striking like this."

Might i suggest you go into teaching as you think they have such a good deal. moaning about what you consider perks in other jobs does nobody any good. if your unsatisfied with your conditions, get them changed. joining a union is a big step towards it. all you are doing is helping employers shaft everyone.

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over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly. "

If you are unhappy with it stand. together and do something about it then.

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over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly.

If you are unhappy with it stand. together and do something about it then. "

I did not say that personally am. I was merely saying that if every time pay and conditions changed in the private sector and everyone went on strike, the banks would never be open neither would the supermarkets most of british industry, would fall to its knees, and nothing would get done.

I believe everybody should get a fair days wage for a fair days work.But i dont believe strikes work. There is always a cost to the economy whenever there is a strike wether it be firemen, teachers or london underground. And it just means it costs us all more in the long run,as these losses have to be passed on....

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support."

Actually it's the L.A who fine, the school just dob's them in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly.

If you are unhappy with it stand. together and do something about it then.

But strikes do work. I was an underground employee for many years and every strike I participated in was successful. Hence the good pay and generous holiday allowance of the drivers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly.

If you are unhappy with it stand. together and do something about it then.

But strikes do work. I was an underground employee for many years and every strike I participated in was successful. Hence the good pay and generous holiday allowance of the drivers. "
Yes but the cost of that good pay and generous holiday allowance just got passed on to the everyday commuter...

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over a year ago

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain?

Because their pay and conditions are being changed.

Private sector pay and conditions change constantly.

If you are unhappy with it stand. together and do something about it then.

But strikes do work. I was an underground employee for many years and every strike I participated in was successful. Hence the good pay and generous holiday allowance of the drivers. Yes but the cost of that good pay and generous holiday allowance just got passed on to the everyday commuter..."

I can't see any problem with that. You can get from one end of London to the other for £4 so it's not extortionate.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

But strikes do work. I was an underground employee for many years and every strike I participated in was successful. Hence the good pay and generous holiday allowance of the drivers. Yes but the cost of that good pay and generous holiday allowance just got passed on to the everyday commuter..."

consequently increases in private sector cost, bonus payments, share dividends and pay rises are 'passed on' also..

so not sure what you are saying..?

workers should accept year in year out pay cuts, increases in pension contributions and reductions in their conditions of service as there will be a cost to whomever..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know a few teachers. They are constantly missing from social gatherings. The hours they put in are staggering at times.

Many are leaving the profession and fewer are going into it. Will soon be a shortage, class sizes will rise standards will drop.

I find it amazing how little this country values a good education.

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over a year ago

But strikes do work. I was an underground employee for many years and every strike I participated in was successful. Hence the good pay and generous holiday allowance of the drivers. Yes but the cost of that good pay and generous holiday allowance just got passed on to the everyday commuter...

consequently increases in private sector cost, bonus payments, share dividends and pay rises are 'passed on' also..

so not sure what you are saying..?

workers should accept year in year out pay cuts, increases in pension contributions and reductions in their conditions of service as there will be a cost to whomever..?

This thread was meant to be about the teachers strike but is now based on public sector workers. Think i will start a new one

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"So hands up if you want to pay more tax to fund a public sector pay rise ! "

So what you are saying is that public sector workers should just get over it....

So the people that run into a burning house to save your life, stitch you up, arrest your burglar, treat your cancer, educate your children etc etc should live on a basic wage. These people have spent years getting qualifications, training and acquiring skills and experience doing the job you are too scared/ screamish to do. We need these people, even though we would not want to see them most of the time. They do they jobs that no one else wants to do...

I work in the public sector, for many years I didn't get a pay rise. In fact like many I had a physical pay cut as well as not keeping up with inflation. In real terms myself and many others are about 20% worse off than we were five or six years ago. Yes I am lucky to have a job but it does piss you off when politicians go on the news and say how well off everyone is now.... They actually mean the private sector...

Finally if you say you are on minimum wage and we knew what we were getting when we signed up. I say yes I knew what I was getting but I'm not getting that now... So I am ment to be a fortune teller... I could say to you well you knew you were getting minimum wage so get over it and you should have tried harder...

However I won't as I'm not that petty...

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

Oh poor them...there are many private sector worker still taking pay cuts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you for or against them why do they get to strike but we get fined for taking our own kids on holiday. Are they more worried about targets or the actual children they teach."

this subject so so so winds me up.

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

Yes give up some of your generous holiday allowance

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I certainly admire the job that they do, not a believer in the strike but there may have not been another route still open to them.

I admit to not knowing the details.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Right a few points need to be made.....

Teachers are not bloody lazy, you only believe that because the govt puts it out there. Mr Gove telling everyone that things are not good enough.... Bollocks

What's not good enough is some prat who thinks he's an educational expert telling the experts what to do from his ivory tower. Oh and then a few months later when everyone has made all the changes he requested he changes his mind again and wants more changes. Since this govt got into power there have been more educational changes than in the previous 10 years. Education is going backwards not forwards.

Another issue is that the conditions of service are being changed all the time and if teachers and support staff don't make a stand they will soon be paying the govt for the honour of working and then working till they drop dead on their feet and carried out in a bag at the age of 75.

Teachers are not lazy, they get paid well for what they do, but not amazingly well. Every year they get less pay because of cost of living rises and yet they are told to work harder and longer for less. The pay is performance related, bad teachers are not tolerated.

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

Teaching was brilliant, so rewarding, great fun and my year 7, 8, 10, and 12 classes all begged me to stay .. Best teacher some said.

It shocks me how so many have such a low opinion, including the idiot Gove. So any parents look at schools as cheap child care, yet they are the competative future of our country.

I think they should get significant pay increase as so many are leaving. A local secondary school is losing 16 teachers this summer, they cannot afford to stay.

I think when everything id failing, the standards are in the tank, the schools have lost all the good teachers then the politicians will look at each other and wonder what they have done ...

Fully supportive, of the teachers. As for the rest of public sector, well I have not had a pay rise since 2006 and they get cost of living, as my council tax goes up every year ... I have no sympathy there, in fact it makes my blood boil they get cost of living ... "
you can boil your blood as much as you want but I haven't had a pay rise,cost of living or otherwise in 4 years

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

"I certainly admire the job that they do, not a believer in the strike but there may have not been another route still open to them.

I admit to not knowing the details."
we asked to go to acas instead of striking but were told no ,they weren't prepared to negotiate

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By *riskygazMan
over a year ago

birmingham

I am a school caretaker, my school never has to close on the strikes as we only ever have a handful of teachers who go on strike, and it is all council employees that are going out not just teachers.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Oh poor them...there are many private sector worker still taking pay cuts"

Poor them... I can't believe your narrow minded _iew. Are you going to tend to a 6 year old girl crushed between two cars, like the ambulance service, pull a burns victim out of a burning house, like the Fire brigade or face a gunman or child rapist like a police officer? I think not... These people are highly trained, skilled and experienced. If they all gave up for better paid jobs, would you do their jobs? I thought not...

Are you going to teach a room of 30 children, or wipe the dribble or excrement from an old person? I thought not...

So let's give these people a fair wage and not whinge about it...

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"Right a few points need to be made.....

Teachers are not bloody lazy, you only believe that because the govt puts it out there. Mr Gove telling everyone that things are not good enough.... Bollocks

Have you any figures on how many bad teachers have been sacked?. When i was at school, the crap teachers just got 'recycled' to another school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in two minds about the strikes...yes everyone should be paid fairly and work in good conditions, but then a 1% increase in salary is a lot more than many in the private sector are getting or have had in several years. The only way I have managed to get a pay increase is by changing my job as I never got one in about 6yrs in my previous employment, despite working my ass off and it being common knowledge among management that I was regularly sweeping up behind a few other staff members.

As for the hours argument, I know many people who work longer than 37 hours per week, myself included, often without getting paid overtime. My Dad is a HGV Driver who goes to work on Sunday evening and is back Fri Eve/Sat Morning...ok that includes his sleeping time etc, but his hours of work are regularly 70hrs a week and he's 65, so a bit old to change career path!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Highly paid for poor performance they have have plenty of holiday's as well

Many in the private sector have had little or no pay rises for years

I am totally against them being allowed to strike and inconvenience the hard working parents who are trying to earn a living "

No one is paid for poor performance.

What exactly IS poor performance where teachers are concerned ?

If they've had no pay rise why shouldn't they fight against it in the only way they can ?

What makes you think all parents work or that all working parents work hard or that teachers aren't parents ?

Aren't teachers trying to earn a living?

Try finding the water before sticking your oar in it.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The teaching staff are paid a very good wage, have very good conditions and need to come in line with the rest of the country, 37 hour week 5 weeks holiday per annum.

Why don't they strike during the school holidays????"

B e c a u s e t h a t i s n t s t r i k i n g. T h a t is h o l i d a y i n g and t h e k i d s a r e a l r e a d y at h o m e.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But teachers are shafting "hard working parents" haven't you heard?

I work with many schools and know lots of teachers. Few of them ever actually go on strike, especially at the smaller schools.

The unions have done a big disservice to teachers by allowing the argument to seemingly be focussed on money when what is actually bothering most teachers is the conditions they are expected to work in.

Michael Gove is only interested in furthering his own career - no matter how many others he fucks up to do so.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Teachers knew the pay and the hours involved probably before they even started uni so why do they complain? "

The strike isn't about the pay and conditions they had in the past.

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over a year ago

"Are you for or against them why do they get to strike but we get fined for taking our own kids on holiday. Are they more worried about targets or the actual children they teach."

As a teacher I can only say that we strike rarely and only over heavyweight issues, such as pension issues and job cuts - as part of the austerity regime of the coalition government. So, please, when teachers strike, keep your anger for the Government (and previous ones!) who put professionals into terrible positions

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"It's not just teachers it's council workers as well...they are striking because they are not getting one 1% pay increase and unison are fighting for more..."

Not quite! Certainly for those doing "proper" work, the proposed pay award is on a sliding scale - the more you are paid, the less you will get and the union are pressing for an equal percentage across the board. I can see both sides. Those who are junior supervisors get little more than a guy who turns up and does what he`s told. Now those supervisors may soon be wondering if the extra pay they`re getting is worth it for the hassle they get.

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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago

near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack!

"It's not just teachers it's council workers as well...they are striking because they are not getting one 1% pay increase and unison are fighting for more...

And last year was the first wage rise we`ve had in five years, a whole 1%, and for me the proposed wage rise will give me half of the money I lost when my hours were cut four years ago. Overtime? A dirty word for my job!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You'll probably find that your teaching friends have been given a salary per annum that's split into 12 equal monthly payments

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the plethera of teachers strike days I remember as a kid, they were great days.

I am for them, but they have to be careful that they don't go too far. Too much ulindustrial action can go the wrong way.

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

..and nobody else in this country has....a highly skilled job, a dangerous job, works long hours ( for less pay )...and statistically a lorry drivers job is more dangerous than that of a fireman...get in the real world

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"..and nobody else in this country has....a highly skilled job, a dangerous job, works long hours ( for less pay )...and statistically a lorry drivers job is more dangerous than that of a fireman...get in the real world"

its Firefighter, in the real world..

the reason is because Ff's train and have procedures and equipment to keep personnel safe..

unless your happy with people being killed in order to satisfy your bizarre logic am not sure what point your trying to make..?

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

Try reading it again, without emotion.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Try reading it again, without emotion.....

ah yes, deflection..

much easier than debate eh..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Statistically, when successive governments have moved long established goalposts again, and I'm still working at 70-75... I'd rather be driving a lorry than running into a burning building....

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

So what exactly is your point ?

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By *r and mrs willingCouple
over a year ago

SOUTH WEST & WALES

Sorry people above you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry people above you"

It's all good, I got it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry people above you"

If you use '+quote' it'll show who you're replying to and save confusion

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By *ing and RideCouple
over a year ago

stockport

The hospital I work in is recruiting from overseas as we cannot entice workers from this country. It's shocking it really is. The pay and conditions is atrocious that's why uk nurses don't want the job. Such a sorry state of affairs. And people complain they can't understand the nursing staff.....we'll pay more and give them support. Can't say anymore because I will get very cross.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"You'll probably find that your teaching friends have been given a salary per annum that's split into 12 equal monthly payments"

Isn't that the norm for people on a salary?

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Try reading it again, without emotion.....

I think what is being said is... A trained firefighter runs into a burning building with heavy protective clothing/equipment on after being trained. Risk assessments take place before, during and after a fire. Obviously that firefighter wants to do the job and go home at the end of their shift and bravely enters a life threatening scene...

A lorry driver goes to work also hoping to go home at the end of his shift, be it 8 hours or 5 days. He doesn't get in his cab thinking that he will risk life and limb.

Finally you state thatsstatistically a lorry driver is more likely to be killed at work than a firefighter. The question is, how many of those fatalities are caused by lorry drivers?

Your posts on this thread reads as if they have been written with bitterness behind them, or a total disregard for the people who clear up the mess that others leave behind...

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

They get more hoildays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Not a job I find enviable in today's lack of parental responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They get more hoildays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now"

Not holidays, read the thread

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They get more hoildays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now"

Not holidays.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Let's face it when the issue of strike or don't strike comes up no one is going to agree!! It's not a teachers strike though. I'm not a teacher but I work in the public sector and I'm out tomorrow. Can't afford it but also can't morally cross a picket line plus I support the cause as I now pretty much pay my employers for me to go work for them once I take inflation into account and I've only had 1 pay rise of 1% in the last 5 years!!!!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"They get more hoildays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now"

And it's not just a teachers strike!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They get more hoildays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now"

They are not all on long holidays but if someone doesn't like their job they can always leave and go get one they do like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not a job I find enviable in today's lack of parental contraception."

There, edited for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They get more holidays than anyone else on salaries what they complaining about now"

Really ? What about Mp's and senior civil servants, I havnt had a pay rise in over six years and do i complain..no,I may have the odd grumble but the end of the day i enjoy my job but it is what it is, Teachers on the other hand are a special breed they are taking shit from all sides and deserve every penny they can get.

Thank you to all in the teaching profession for making my Kids who they are.

Gimp

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Strike action is a hard fought for right, in an era where employment legislation and rights have been working against us the people. Knowing education somewhat and teachers conditions I am certainly in favour of them taking this action where there is inadequate government response or involvement. Be wary of believing media and government spin.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to know where some people get their information about teachers. First, most of us get paid crap. I teach in a private school and don't make $35,000 a year. Second, MOST teachers don't work only 9 months out of the year. MOST of us spend the summer months in training, planning for the next school year or taking classes to keep our certificates. Most teachers don't work 40 hour weeks either. I am in my classroom teaching 35 hours a week. I spend another good 10 - 15 hours per week lesson planning and making materials for my very diverse students to best teach them and satisfy their needs. Now, I teach middle and high school Autism support in a school designed for kids with severe behavioral issues, but on a daily basis I am taking my safety in my own hands by walking into that building. I have been punched, scratched, had filing cabinets thrown at me, spit on, cursed at...you name is. It's the norm there. You know what though...I love it. I love taking the time to find ways to teach my very challenging students. I love the hugs I get from one of my kids after he is through with a crisis situation. I love knowing that people in the public school couldn't handle these kids and I have grown to love each and every one of them based on the good traits that they have.

I am getting off on a tangent, but I just don't get people who think teaching is some easy, babysitting gig from 8 - 3 where the teachers leave at the end of the day and that is it until the next day. Or that we leave school in June and don't think about it again until August. It's just not true.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'd like to know where some people get their information about teachers. First, most of us get paid crap. I teach in a private school and don't make $35,000 a year. Second, MOST teachers don't work only 9 months out of the year. MOST of us spend the summer months in training, planning for the next school year or taking classes to keep our certificates. Most teachers don't work 40 hour weeks either. I am in my classroom teaching 35 hours a week. I spend another good 10 - 15 hours per week lesson planning and making materials for my very diverse students to best teach them and satisfy their needs. Now, I teach middle and high school Autism support in a school designed for kids with severe behavioral issues, but on a daily basis I am taking my safety in my own hands by walking into that building. I have been punched, scratched, had filing cabinets thrown at me, spit on, cursed at...you name is. It's the norm there. You know what though...I love it. I love taking the time to find ways to teach my very challenging students. I love the hugs I get from one of my kids after he is through with a crisis situation. I love knowing that people in the public school couldn't handle these kids and I have grown to love each and every one of them based on the good traits that they have.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ty.....well said.im in that list.

Pay more pension, work longer....then get less. Great. Look forward to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For those who complain that they are paying more for their pension, which you most likely are or will be, have you ever considered that you are still paying a fraction of what such a pension is actually worth or what you would have to pay in "private" land to obtain the same benefit? Yet you still complain like fuck.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always like reading these type of threads. You get balanced _iews and some that are tipped for and against.

The point about pensions is perhaps a valid one, but is that the fault of a public sector worker? There is a lot wrong with employment in this country and all terms and conditions should be looked at and increased.

I am all for the right to strike for a betterment in terms and conditions, this has been asked for by hard working public sector workers around the country and lots of people gave a great deal for trade unions to be represented.

Some might look on this being greedy but it isn't. Working conditions are being chipped away also and having had pensions whipped from under them, against those terms that were agreed.

People say about "well i've not had a payrise in x years" well I also think that is deserved, organise and join a union and try and get some collective bargaining going.

Strikes are usually the final act when all the talking has failed. If the government wish to point at the numbers involved ie percentages, maybe they should look at proportion of the population that voted for them...

"In this together" is now looking a sad cliche.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not complaining just want it to be fair.

Let's take a firefighter pension for an example.

As it is now they pay £200 a month on the new firefighters pension scheme. And if you have 30 years service in you can retire with a full pension. And yes it is a good pension, but you have paid that money for 30 years so why shouldn't it be a good pension?

Now under new proposals the pension will go up to £350 a month! A rise of around 75% give or take. Now for that 75% extra the government say you have to work an extra 10 years and your pension at the end off it will be not be worth as much and you will take less than you would have.

So if anyone thinks it's fair to do that you should be or probably do work for the government.

If anyone in any line of work was told that was what was happening to your money you would bevan bit pissed of and rightly so.

Who can afford to loose £150 extra a month? Not a lot I guess. So before you go mouthing off about people, get your facts right.

SO WE SHOULD STAND UP FOR PEOPLES RIGHTS TO STRIKE AND NOT SLAG THEM OFF WITH UNINFORMED VIEWS.

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

Public sector pensions are subsidized with public money, the treasury was forced to disclose the facts last year after a freedom of information request was made by a major financial newspaper.

They revealed that for every £1 paid in pension benefits, 68p was coming from the public purse, there are so many ex public servants drawing pensions that the pot is exhausted and what current members pay in now is being paid out again to ex employees the week after.

Private sector works until 66 years then retire, public just 30 years service then retire, (neighbour retired at 53 after 30 years in teaching) Better pensions, full sick pay entitlement, better promotion prospects, and personal time off for family emergencies. Teachers in the UK are the best paid in Europe and 3rd best paid in the world, they think they are entitled to special treatment because of their job but let's face it, some of the kids who leave school are hary the best in the world academically. Strike if you want but don't expect the rest of us to support you.

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By *himanMan
over a year ago

chichester

Up the workers !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wrong... Civil servants can do.in excess of 40 years service...

There are no.upper age.limits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people were given decent pay rises they wouldn't need to strike. Today I have 6 children to look after on and off but I will cope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support."

Some would argue that's because they've been over paid for many years and the freeze o increases was to slowly bring them back into line with their private sector equivalents, while they still maintain a significantly better than most pension.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Public sector pensions are subsidized with public money, the treasury was forced to disclose the facts last year after a freedom of information request was made by a major financial newspaper.

Shows the benefits of being in a good union.

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By *quirrelMan
over a year ago

East Manchester

"Wrong... Civil servants can do.in excess of 40 years service...

There are no.upper age.limits.

Voluntarily. They have the right to ask for retirement after 30 years, it's part of a national agreement which has to be honoured, they can work longer and their final pension is increased in line with their final salaries. They will receive incremental pay rises and this effects their pension too.

Am an ex teacher, it takes a degree in a recognised subject and a teacher training course of 1 year to be qualified to teach. I quit because of the politics and backstabbing from other teachers and bring undermined by heads who were intent on replacing qualified older teachers with new younger more malleable ones. Final straw was forcing a teach to test system down my throat instead of education and understanding. As I started late in life I couldn't have got 30 years service done as I would be retiring at 70 so I went into adult education instead.

Higher workload lower pay but better leadership and support.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is what you really mean that you didn't do so well as a teacher, and have been pissed off ever since?

We have exceptional teachers in this country and it's quite right that those not up to scratch don't make it. But it is in everyone's interest that good teachers are well paid and well supported - they're responsible for how good or bad the future will be - what can be more important?

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By *mma_j_cdTV/TS
over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Public sector pensions are subsidized with public money, the treasury was forced to disclose the facts last year after a freedom of information request was made by a major financial newspaper.

They revealed that for every £1 paid in pension benefits, 68p was coming from the public purse, there are so many ex public servants drawing pensions that the pot is not exhausted and what current members pay in now is being paid out again to ex employees the week after.

But pay 15+ % into the pension. so paying more in than others should mean a bigger pension at the end of it.

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By *hite SnakeMan
over a year ago

leeds

"I am a school caretaker, my school never has to close on the strikes as we only ever have a handful of teachers who go on strike, and it is all council employees that are going out not just teachers."

I am also a school caretaker our school is closed because the majority of staff have opted to strike AND because we had a great response from parents who said they will back us and not send their child to school. However what most of the posters on here either don't or wont realise is that the strike is not about teachers pay its for all low paid public sector workers.

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

"There are two points to this...

1. Teachers don't fine you, this is something that the government has TOLD school's management that they MUST do.

2. Most public sector workers are annoyed that although the cost of living is rising by 3% a year they've had several years with no pay increase, and when they do get one, it's 1%.

So, to answer the question, I'm in full support.

Total rubbish. I work in the public sector and earn significantly less than those who do the same job as me in the private firms!! And yes I may accrue a better pension but I'm fairly certain that I pay a damn site more into it each month than many private sector pensions contributors

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

seems like there are a quite a few people on here that, when they were kids, they were always knocking someone elses icecream on the floor because they didn't get one. Where is the logic in trying to start a race to see who ends up with the worst pay and conditions?

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

During holiday time, teachers are preparing work for the next term. I know how they feel about wages. I work in the care sector. No pay rise in 6 years and they have started cutting money from our sleep in shifts and overtime. I wish our lot would strike.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

have we established it wasnt just teachers on strike today ...what happened ..was it your right to free child care was took away !?

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