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By *otebonydeluxe OP   Woman
over a year ago

earls barton

What you're _iews. Mine are I think its wrong.fed up of seeing women smoking when pregnant.wish there was some kind of law.like to hear your _iews

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't see too many people saying they think it's a good thing !

Passing a law would be daft though , impossible to police it .

Imagine every fat bird who lights up getting a warning .....

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By *otebonydeluxe OP   Woman
over a year ago

earls barton

Ha ha. Just hope no fat birds read that.get ready for grief

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

Nothing annoys me more than seeing pregnant women smoking. You wouldn't put a cigarette into the mouth of a new born but they still smoke.

Now I know quitting is difficult, I did it myself 7 1/2 years ago but surely the fact that they are carrying a precious wee life would be motivation enough to quit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I fucking hate it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wonder what the advice is about e-cigarettes during pregnancy?

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By *leasuresharerMan
over a year ago

southampton

And drinking when pregnant (facepalm)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wonder what the advice is about e-cigarettes during pregnancy?"

If you are enhaling the ones with the nicotine in them then the same advice would apply I would imagine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing annoys me more than seeing pregnant women smoking. You wouldn't put a cigarette into the mouth of a new born but they still smoke.

Now I know quitting is difficult, I did it myself 7 1/2 years ago but surely the fact that they are carrying a precious wee life would be motivation enough to quit"

You did the right thing x well done

Sadly I'm the carer for my husband aged 49 when he had a stroke. That should be enough motivation for who ever smokes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

thats a definate no no!! dont mind em sucking on me cock tho shur thats harmless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost a good friend because we kept arguing because she won't stop while she was pregnant. It is so selfish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

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By *iceduoCouple (FF)
over a year ago

manchester

Its a free country, be grateful for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe its ok in moderation i dont know, i dont believe everything the experts say but i think its probably better not too. years ago women used to smoke and their babys were ok.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

it is selfish in the extreme and no one will convince me otherwise.

the same as smoking in the car and the same room as a child.

but hey, people will excuse it with an array of reasons why they can't not do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it is selfish in the extreme and no one will convince me otherwise.

the same as smoking in the car and the same room as a child.

but hey, people will excuse it with an array of reasons why they can't not do it."

I think smoking in a car is worst.

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"maybe its ok in moderation i dont know, i dont believe everything the experts say but i think its probably better not too. years ago women used to smoke and their babys were ok."

years ago smoking when pregnant or not had the same affect as it does now its just now people are more aware to the risks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had two friends who smoked during pregnancy. all three babies were very small at birth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had two friends who smoked during pregnancy. all three babies were very small at birth "

I smoked my baby was 8lb.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"it is selfish in the extreme and no one will convince me otherwise.

the same as smoking in the car and the same room as a child.

but hey, people will excuse it with an array of reasons why they can't not do it.

I think smoking in a car is worst."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems "

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's tantamount to child abuse. imo. Same with drinking, , etc while pregnant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's tantamount to child abuse. imo. Same with drinking, , etc while pregnant"

i agree

its classed as abuse to over feed your child but not to force it to smoke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had two friends who smoked during pregnancy. all three babies were very small at birth "

I've had 3 , I admit I did smoke with the first 2 and they were 6 13. My daughter was 5 3 and I had stopped smoking for 4 years before I fell for her.

I'm not saying it's ok to smoke I'm just saying I'm not sure that the smoking during pregnancy automatically means a small baby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its disgusting,same as when you see people smoking in cars when they have kids in it.

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By *radleyandRavenCouple
over a year ago

Herts

Until you can master mind control, there's nothing you can really do about it.

I've given up since we found out we were expecting but everyone will be different.

Vince's Mum smoked and drank throughout (Different era. - And by the way, I am NOT supporting it here) and he was around the 8lb mark and is now 6'2.

I dread to think how tall he would've been if she didn't, lol.

- Amy. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I gave up smoking as soon as I was pregnant and never smoked again until about 20 years later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a free country, be grateful for that. "

A child has no freedom, parents are responsible for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its disgusting,same as when you see people smoking in cars when they have kids in it. "

Agreed. The parents should make the kids get out and walk when they want a fag

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"I think its disgusting,same as when you see people smoking in cars when they have kids in it.

Agreed. The parents should make the kids get out and walk when they want a fag "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From what I have heard taljing to several pregnant women who smoked, it is ok to smoke one or two just to keep the addiction at bay. As quitting can have an effect on the baby, as the body is craving things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had two friends who smoked during pregnancy. all three babies were very small at birth

I've had 3 , I admit I did smoke with the first 2 and they were 6 13. My daughter was 5 3 and I had stopped smoking for 4 years before I fell for her.

I'm not saying it's ok to smoke I'm just saying I'm not sure that the smoking during pregnancy automatically means a small baby. "

Yeah I smoked with one of mine and he was 11 pounds and 9 ounces.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Getting pregnant was all the incentive and motivation I needed to give up smoking. I'm not saying it was easy but the life inside me was too precious to risk harming. I cannot understand any woman who puts herself before her child, even an unborn one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I have heard taljing to several pregnant women who smoked, it is ok to smoke one or two just to keep the addiction at bay. As quitting can have an effect on the baby, as the body is craving things."

Makes sense, everything in moderation as they say.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy."

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its disgusting,same as when you see people smoking in cars when they have kids in it.

Agreed. The parents should make the kids get out and walk when they want a fag

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else."

Good grief

How is the weather up there on your high horse ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else."

Well ok if you realy want to know my son is inteligent considering im not so, he must take after his dad.

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple
over a year ago

Fareham


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else.

Good grief

How is the weather up there on your high horse ?

"

I used to smoke before I got pregnant with my first then gave up - because guess what? I actually cared about the health of my unborn baby.

Call that being on a high horse if you like - I call it caring about the health of an future life.

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By *issLissCouple
over a year ago

south east

I don't feel like telling woman that's it sometimes can cause more stress on the baby to quit then not to only gives some people an excuse.

The only thing that is addictive is nicotine then just have that?

I smoked a lot before I got pregnant, the moment I found out I had my last one and didn't touch one again and after smoking for 7 years solidly it was rather easy - I just moved onto chocolate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else.

Good grief

How is the weather up there on your high horse ?

I used to smoke before I got pregnant with my first then gave up - because guess what? I actually cared about the health of my unborn baby.

Call that being on a high horse if you like - I call it caring about the health of an future life."

Well good for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else.

Good grief

How is the weather up there on your high horse ?

I used to smoke before I got pregnant with my first then gave up - because guess what? I actually cared about the health of my unborn baby.

Call that being on a high horse if you like - I call it caring about the health of an future life."

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

smoking full stop is not good for you ,but stupid people think that the smoke wont get in the unborn child's lungs . And when you do comment the reply is usually a torrent of why don't you go fuck off etc.. or its ok im cutting down or I only have 2 a day .Fucking muppets

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Bear in mind that once upon a time, before we got pregnancy tests that know we're pregnant before we miss the blimmin' period, we were drinking, smoking, shagging, and eating crap for at least a month before we knew. And babies usually came out fine.

Overdoing it, or smoking and drinking in excess when you know you're pregnant is a different kettle of fish, but when you don't know, you can't turn the clock back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months."

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a free country, be grateful for that. "

Unfortunately a baby in utero has no legal rights until born but fortunately there is, in place facility to safeguard the unborn by making an emergency protection order that comes into effect as soon as that child is born and then the courts will decide whether the mother will provide adequate parenting for that child. Not giving a shit what effect inhaling huge amounts of carbon monoxide every day has on your unborn would say to me that maybe the child's interests are not paramount to that parent. Smoking whilst pregnant denies your child the optimum environment for development and growth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems "

Are you prepared to name your source for this statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From what I have heard taljing to several pregnant women who smoked, it is ok to smoke one or two just to keep the addiction at bay. As quitting can have an effect on the baby, as the body is craving things."

Noooooooo!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks"

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I had two friends who smoked during pregnancy. all three babies were very small at birth "

Being small is one of many effects of having your oxygen supply reduced whilst you are in the utero. A 20 a day smoker will have supplied their baby with enough carbon monoxide to reduce the amount of oxygen their blood can carry by about 6%. The baby's red blood cells that should be carrying 100% oxygen a now carrying 6% carbon monoxide, you know that gas people use to commit suicide when they put the Hoover pipe on their exhaust. It is poisonous gas and you are replacing the healthy oxygen with that gas when you smoke. Not just growth but increasingly recognised are developmental problems like ADHD and milestones of cognitive development.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its horrid they have a baby growing in them and should not smoke.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia."

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton


"What you're _iews. Mine are I think its wrong.fed up of seeing women smoking when pregnant.wish there was some kind of law.like to hear your _iews "

It's worse when i walk home past Maternity & they're stood outside hooked up to monitors. You can't smoke in a bus shelter yet when carrying the most precious gift in the world it's okay to fill them with poison!

Wrong, so very wrong!

Mrs Dolph (none smoker)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its horrid they have a baby growing in them and should not smoke. "

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think people should be encouraged to take responsibility for having a healthy life and helped to achieve it.

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By *D40Couple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton


"it is selfish in the extreme and no one will convince me otherwise.

the same as smoking in the car and the same room as a child.

but hey, people will excuse it with an array of reasons why they can't not do it."

My mother was a classic with this. She won't smoke outside as it's not the done thing. She also when my nephew was a baby, would not smoke while he was in the room. But when i fetched my two children she'd smoked in front of them... grrr smelt like ashtrays never mind what they inhaled!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

"

The "nugget" came from various WHO documents from groups like St. Thomas's, Cancer Research and many more. The info is out there for the intellectually curious. And I do agree with you - stopping smoking whilst pregnant can be vital to the baby's health - with proper nicotine withdrawal therapy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

"

A, just since you seem to want clear facts so badly, the are over 3000 chemicals in cig smoke

But 'the poison'isn't just the chemicals, it is the nicotine as well. Nicotine raises blood pressure and constricts blood flow. Also, it is used as an insecticide because in large enough doses it has lethal effects. Those effects are carried over to humans as well.

Nicotine is also one of the single most addictive compounds out there and causes extreme withdrawal in many people. Any stress on the mother is KNOWN TO effect the fetus at all times during pregnancy.

Being on a high horse is fine, more power to you, but if you're gonna do it hun.... Do it right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

The "nugget" came from various WHO documents from groups like St. Thomas's, Cancer Research and many more. The info is out there for the intellectually curious. And I do agree with you - stopping smoking whilst pregnant can be vital to the baby's health - with proper nicotine withdrawal therapy."

That's weird because in thirty years of working in women's health it never once occurred to me that eclampsia occurred because someone gave up smoking. Eclampsia never occurs before 20 weeks even in someone who has had it with every pregnancy. So all we need to do then is get them to STOP SMOKING before or soon after conception to give their baby the best chance of optimum ohysical and developmental growth and also stop them being the victims of early birth due to eclampsia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

A, just since you seem to want clear facts so badly, the are over 3000 chemicals in cig smoke

But 'the poison'isn't just the chemicals, it is the nicotine as well. Nicotine raises blood pressure and constricts blood flow. Also, it is used as an insecticide because in large enough doses it has lethal effects. Those effects are carried over to humans as well.

Nicotine is also one of the single most addictive compounds out there and causes extreme withdrawal in many people. Any stress on the mother is KNOWN TO effect the fetus at all times during pregnancy.

Being on a high horse is fine, more power to you, but if you're gonna do it hun.... Do it right. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

A, just since you seem to want clear facts so badly, the are over 3000 chemicals in cig smoke

But 'the poison'isn't just the chemicals, it is the nicotine as well. Nicotine raises blood pressure and constricts blood flow. Also, it is used as an insecticide because in large enough doses it has lethal effects. Those effects are carried over to humans as well.

Nicotine is also one of the single most addictive compounds out there and causes extreme withdrawal in many people. Any stress on the mother is KNOWN TO effect the fetus at all times during pregnancy.

Being on a high horse is fine, more power to you, but if you're gonna do it hun.... Do it right. "

Ooooh someones knickers in a twist. Do you really think the NHS would prescribe a drug to pregnant women that is harmful to their baby? (Thalidomide was fifty years ago and was a good and expensive lesson) NRTs have been used with pregnant women via the NHS for over ten years. It's the carbon monoxide that damages babies. High horse maybe and maybe I also saw through the propaganda that mentions thousands of chemicals because hey, we inhale thousands of chemicals every time we take a breath of so called fresh air. Nicotine is addictive but recoverable from but ADHD, asthma, they're with your child for life

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

The midwives at Stoke Mandeville hospital are starting to use the carbon monoxide inhalers in their classes. If this educates then it's a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

A, just since you seem to want clear facts so badly, the are over 3000 chemicals in cig smoke

But 'the poison'isn't just the chemicals, it is the nicotine as well. Nicotine raises blood pressure and constricts blood flow. Also, it is used as an insecticide because in large enough doses it has lethal effects. Those effects are carried over to humans as well.

Nicotine is also one of the single most addictive compounds out there and causes extreme withdrawal in many people. Any stress on the mother is KNOWN TO effect the fetus at all times during pregnancy.

Being on a high horse is fine, more power to you, but if you're gonna do it hun.... Do it right.

Ooooh someones knickers in a twist. Do you really think the NHS would prescribe a drug to pregnant women that is harmful to their baby? (Thalidomide was fifty years ago and was a good and expensive lesson) NRTs have been used with pregnant women via the NHS for over ten years. It's the carbon monoxide that damages babies. High horse maybe and maybe I also saw through the propaganda that mentions thousands of chemicals because hey, we inhale thousands of chemicals every time we take a breath of so called fresh air. Nicotine is addictive but recoverable from but ADHD, asthma, they're with your child for life"

The nhs prescribes drugs that are harmful to a fetus many times on a daily basis. SSRIs, for example. Further, they also prescribe drugs that they just don't know the effects of.

It seems you only 'fall for the hype'that suits your desires.

Knicks can't be twisted when you aren't wearing them, hun. Disagreement with someone doesn't cause me that emotional uproar unless I give a toss what they think of me.

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over a year ago


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

A, just since you seem to want clear facts so badly, the are over 3000 chemicals in cig smoke

But 'the poison'isn't just the chemicals, it is the nicotine as well. Nicotine raises blood pressure and constricts blood flow. Also, it is used as an insecticide because in large enough doses it has lethal effects. Those effects are carried over to humans as well.

Nicotine is also one of the single most addictive compounds out there and causes extreme withdrawal in many people. Any stress on the mother is KNOWN TO effect the fetus at all times during pregnancy.

Being on a high horse is fine, more power to you, but if you're gonna do it hun.... Do it right.

Ooooh someones knickers in a twist. Do you really think the NHS would prescribe a drug to pregnant women that is harmful to their baby? (Thalidomide was fifty years ago and was a good and expensive lesson) NRTs have been used with pregnant women via the NHS for over ten years. It's the carbon monoxide that damages babies. High horse maybe and maybe I also saw through the propaganda that mentions thousands of chemicals because hey, we inhale thousands of chemicals every time we take a breath of so called fresh air. Nicotine is addictive but recoverable from but ADHD, asthma, they're with your child for life

The nhs prescribes drugs that are harmful to a fetus many times on a daily basis. SSRIs, for example. Further, they also prescribe drugs that they just don't know the effects of.

It seems you only 'fall for the hype'that suits your desires.

Knicks can't be twisted when you aren't wearing them, hun. Disagreement with someone doesn't cause me that emotional uproar unless I give a toss what they think of me. "

Ok, Hun, whatever you want to believe, all the same to me

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By *azzasheeneMan
over a year ago

kent

Looks dead sexy.

I like it if they are injecting drugs at the same time too.

mmmmm

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over a year ago


"Looks dead sexy.

I like it if they are injecting drugs at the same time too.

mmmmm"

And taking it up the arse???

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I'm against it, personally, but a friend of mine who got pregnant unexpectedly was told by her doctor that because of the amount she smoked, quitting just like that could potentially be just as harmful to the baby due to the stress of giving up.

She eventually quit after cutting down, but it still took her a few months.

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks

The shock of sudden withdrawal from any drug that the body is used to can cause pre-eclampsia.

Really? Where did you get that nugget from? And anyway the drug is nicotine and that can be replaced by gum, inhalator etc. the poison is the carbon monoxide, cyanide and the 500 other noxious chemicals in cigarettes

The "nugget" came from various WHO documents from groups like St. Thomas's, Cancer Research and many more. The info is out there for the intellectually curious. And I do agree with you - stopping smoking whilst pregnant can be vital to the baby's health - with proper nicotine withdrawal therapy.

That's weird because in thirty years of working in women's health it never once occurred to me that eclampsia occurred because someone gave up smoking. Eclampsia never occurs before 20 weeks even in someone who has had it with every pregnancy. So all we need to do then is get them to STOP SMOKING before or soon after conception to give their baby the best chance of optimum ohysical and developmental growth and also stop them being the victims of early birth due to eclampsia "

They didn't say it was the sole cause,but a contributing factor.

There are occasions where people are advised not to quit cold turkey. My nan, although not pregnant at the time, was advised to to quit smoking when she was diagnosed with emphysema as she the shock to her system would be too much for her body to take.

Personally I dont agree with people smoking during pregnancy but at the end of the day I can only control my actions. All the education information is out there for people to make informed choices, all I can do is point them to it and hope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...? "

Why don't you enlighten the masses then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...? "

The only facts we need to know is smoking is harmful full stop, we all know that, if it's harmful to you it's harmful to an unborn child, what else do we need to know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

The only facts we need to know is smoking is harmful full stop, we all know that, if it's harmful to you it's harmful to an unborn child, what else do we need to know "
well said

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over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...? "

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy.

There are studies that show women who smoke and drink risk causing mental retardation in their offspring.

I expect you're now going to tell us your son has a Doctorate in theoretical physics...

The fact your son was ok despite your selfishness and disregard for his health is more down to luck than anything else.

Good grief

How is the weather up there on your high horse ?

I used to smoke before I got pregnant with my first then gave up - because guess what? I actually cared about the health of my unborn baby.

Call that being on a high horse if you like - I call it caring about the health of an future life."

Whatever we say, opinion wise, still get to feel we are wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?"

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well said.think that closed this topic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed. "

I'd still like to know what the advice is re. e-cigarettes. They weren't around when I was nursing.

My sister in law smoked throughout pregnancies - all but the first was premature (and there are several!).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

I'd still like to know what the advice is re. e-cigarettes. They weren't around when I was nursing.

My sister in law smoked throughout pregnancies - all but the first was premature (and there are several!)."

Source Nhs:-

While e-cigarettes may be safer than conventional cigarettes, we don’t yet know the long-term effects of vaping on the body. There are other potential drawbacks to using them:

Electronic cigarettes aren’t currently regulated as medicines so you can’t be sure of their ingredients or how much nicotine they contain – whatever it says on the label

The amount of nicotine you get from an e-cigarette can change over time

They aren’t proven as safe. In fact, some e-cigarettes have been tested by local authority trading standards departments and been found to contain toxic chemicals, including some of the same cancer-causing agents produced from tobacco

Think that's pretty clear advice.

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over a year ago

Certainly is - not much of an endorsement for them for anyone in fact!

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over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed. "

Six years only? So you were on the accelerated graduate degree programme then? Because its normally five years plus two years foundation or what used to be two years as dogs body house officer. Still not quite sure how that makes you an expert in smoking in pregnancy unless maybe you work in public health??? I do not spew out anecdote, this is my bread and butter, hence my getting a bit perturbed by the "well i smoked fifty a day and my baby was fifteen pounds" brigade

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Oh good....it's time for medical profession top trumps

Why is it wrong for people to post their experiences on here? Some people may not experience problems with pregnancy or birth or the child it produces if they smoke, but some do.

As I said before, the education and information is out there for people to make decisions. Unfortunately when people get preachy or come across as angrily as some on here the message tends not to be taken in by some.

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By *azzasheeneMan
over a year ago

kent

And getting really pissed too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh good....it's time for medical profession top trumps

Why is it wrong for people to post their experiences on here? Some people may not experience problems with pregnancy or birth or the child it produces if they smoke, but some do.

As I said before, the education and information is out there for people to make decisions. Unfortunately when people get preachy or come across as angrily as some on here the message tends not to be taken in by some. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?"

What makes you an expert?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

Six years only? So you were on the accelerated graduate degree programme then? Because its normally five years plus two years foundation or what used to be two years as dogs body house officer. Still not quite sure how that makes you an expert in smoking in pregnancy unless maybe you work in public health??? I do not spew out anecdote, this is my bread and butter, hence my getting a bit perturbed by the "well i smoked fifty a day and my baby was fifteen pounds" brigade"

Err, not exactly. Five years of medical school plus one year of intercalated BSc. 14 years post qualification includes the 1 year pre-registration house officer year as it was. So maybe you don't know quite as much about medical training as you claim.

Furthermore, if you'd actually thought about my two posts, rather than jumping to a conclusion, you might have realised I was trying to support your _iew, which I actually agree with - as you allude to in your last paragraph, ironically enough.

Despite your thinly veiled accusation that I'm lying about my qualifications and career, I would have been happy to have told you this privately, even send you copies of my qualifications, but you seem to have blocked me. Consider my support for you withdrawn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

Six years only? So you were on the accelerated graduate degree programme then? Because its normally five years plus two years foundation or what used to be two years as dogs body house officer. Still not quite sure how that makes you an expert in smoking in pregnancy unless maybe you work in public health??? I do not spew out anecdote, this is my bread and butter, hence my getting a bit perturbed by the "well i smoked fifty a day and my baby was fifteen pounds" brigade

Err, not exactly. Five years of medical school plus one year of intercalated BSc. 14 years post qualification includes the 1 year pre-registration house officer year as it was. So maybe you don't know quite as much about medical training as you claim.

Furthermore, if you'd actually thought about my two posts, rather than jumping to a conclusion, you might have realised I was trying to support your _iew, which I actually agree with - as you allude to in your last paragraph, ironically enough.

Despite your thinly veiled accusation that I'm lying about my qualifications and career, I would have been happy to have told you this privately, even send you copies of my qualifications, but you seem to have blocked me. Consider my support for you withdrawn."

Well said, somebody should be embarrassed

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"What you're _iews. Mine are I think its wrong.fed up of seeing women smoking when pregnant.wish there was some kind of law.like to hear your _iews "

i agree my exwife quit when she found out she was pregnant with my eldest.. But you cant make it illegal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oh good....it's time for medical profession top trumps

Why is it wrong for people to post their experiences on here? Some people may not experience problems with pregnancy or birth or the child it produces if they smoke, but some do.

As I said before, the education and information is out there for people to make decisions. Unfortunately when people get preachy or come across as angrily as some on here the message tends not to be taken in by some. "

I'm guessing it was prompted by whoever said earlier:


"Why don't you enlighten the masses then? "

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Oh good....it's time for medical profession top trumps

Why is it wrong for people to post their experiences on here? Some people may not experience problems with pregnancy or birth or the child it produces if they smoke, but some do.

As I said before, the education and information is out there for people to make decisions. Unfortunately when people get preachy or come across as angrily as some on here the message tends not to be taken in by some.

I'm guessing it was prompted by whoever said earlier:

Why don't you enlighten the masses then?

"

I meant enlighten us about the topic, not duel of the qualifications

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People do thing that harm a baby much more than smoking does...drugs and alcohol cause long term major problems

I dont trust drugs but i drank a pint of lager everyday and my son was perfectly healthy."

So u smoked and drank alcohol while pregnant?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oops

Is now a good time to mention my certificate in breast pumping?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

"
you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out

fancy a fuck instead doc

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over a year ago


"There are some brilliantly fact-free and evidence-free opinions being _xpressed on this thread. What is it they say about a little knowledge...?

Really didn't want to clog up this thread with citations. So what makes you the expert on smoking in pregnancy?

I never claimed to be, but 6 years of medical school and 14 years of frontline medicine possibly give me a head start; neither was I specifically questioning your or anyone else's position in the argument - I'm too much of a coward to do that! - but I always find it frustrating when people trot out anecdote as gospel truth, particularly when I spend a not inconsiderable amount of my time trying to debunk some of these myths.

I would love you to provide citations for your argument, but nobody ever does. If one person reading this thread now says "you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out" I would be impressed.

you know, I don't know what the evidence / science is, but I'd like to find out

fancy a fuck instead doc"

Very much so - have some pent-up emotions to get rid of!

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village


"What you're _iews. Mine are I think its wrong.fed up of seeing women smoking when pregnant.wish there was some kind of law.like to hear your _iews "

Quite a few opinions on here about the subject and some fairly strong ones too.

The risks with smoking are well known and if someone chooses to conitnue smoking while they are pregnant that's their choice. To have a law against it is a bit dictatorial in my opinion.

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