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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just seen an article on the BBC news site about the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi, trans) world getting rather complicated.

There's people questioning why have the L in the first place, as surely that's covered by the G? And some lesbians saying we have nothing in common with gay men so we want to stay in our own category.

There's also people wanting it changed to LGBTQQI. That's Queer, Questioning, Intersexed. Which I think is getting a bit of a mouthful. When you start adding Q to any acronym you're pretty screwed. Why not just chuck in an X or Z too?

There's a suggestion of GLW, for gay/lesbian/whatever. But I think that marginalises the Bi and trans people. Both of whom get abuse not only from the straight section but also the Gay sides too.

I can see the value and strength of inclusivity among the groups. But with people making new sexualities up for themselves every day, often I think in order to scream about how different they are, is there not a point where the movement should say hold on, for the sake of argument and keeping it simple we'll put one more category of Different on, LGBTD and that should cover it?

I just don't want to be saying to someone in a few years "yeah I'm just off out to my LGBTQQIXUZVKDP meeting, first hour is just going through this weeks new sexualities so I may be late".

Any thoughts? Anyone arsed?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Dont forget the asexuals! I saw in the US they've started calling it QUILTBAG (cant remember what the U is for. Unisex?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

straight bi or gay - simple enough to me

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

My brain always gets slightly addled when I start thinking about this.

We're different and we want to be recognised as being different but we want to be treated the same as everyone else, except when we don't.

I still dream of a day when people are simply accepted for who they are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about the anything but straight movement? The bent or slightly wibbly club?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My brain always gets slightly addled when I start thinking about this.

We're different and we want to be recognised as being different but we want to be treated the same as everyone else, except when we don't.

I still dream of a day when people are simply accepted for who they are."

in my job as a carer - mental, physical issues are massive and i could easily punch lights out of people that comment and stare - acceptance of others is sadly lacking in many areas of life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How about the anything but straight movement? The bent or slightly wibbly club? "

oo likey - happy to be a wiggly

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm happy just being me

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"My brain always gets slightly addled when I start thinking about this.

We're different and we want to be recognised as being different but we want to be treated the same as everyone else, except when we don't.

I still dream of a day when people are simply accepted for who they are.

in my job as a carer - mental, physical issues are massive and i could easily punch lights out of people that comment and stare - acceptance of others is sadly lacking in many areas of life"

I've worked in various roles with people with mental and physical health problems and I agree.

Some people don't seem to know how to react around those they perceive as "different".

I can understand curiosity but I'd rather people came and spoke to us rather than stared.

That said, I used to accompany a physiotherapist to a gym with young people with serious, degenerative neurological conditions, to help them exercise to maintain their muscle tone and motor skills for as long as possible, and the degree to which some people can be supportive is great. In time maybe there will be greater understanding and acceptance. I hope so.

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By *aaLaaWoman
over a year ago

Pontesbury

Love the idea of bring a bit wibbly.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Part of what confuses things is that the groups include gender as well as sexuality.

You can't define it as people who aren't heterosexual, because some of those who aren't cis-gendered will identify as straight.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

What about the appreciates of the aforementioned wibbly ones? Don't we get an initial?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As a guy in the article says, we'll have to start using Sanskrit soon as we're running out of characters!

You wibbly lot can have one of them,Or an emojii

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I'm a Leo with Virgo rising if that helps?!

Seriously though, most sexuality is a spectrum so maybe we should just number ourselves from 1 - 10 (e.g. 1 is entirely straight, 10 is entirely gay) in which case I'm about a 4/5.

Or we could invent a colour wheel that suits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love the idea of bring a bit wibbly."

great phrase

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How about Wibblies Of the World or WOW! For short?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm a Leo with Virgo rising if that helps?!

Seriously though, most sexuality is a spectrum so maybe we should just number ourselves from 1 - 10 (e.g. 1 is entirely straight, 10 is entirely gay) in which case I'm about a 4/5.

Or we could invent a colour wheel that suits.

"

As long as I'm not assigned to pink. I don't like pink

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By *nne CallanWoman
over a year ago

Nothing to see here. Please move along.

Im bi and have been for a long time. I know ladies that say they are straight but will allow another woman to perform oral on them but claim to be straight. I see them as bi receptive.

Its all complicated. Be yourself and love one another and we will all be ok in the end

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"straight bi or gay - simple enough to me "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about lesbian curious

Transgender playful

Any-holes-a-goal

Hate labels. Reminds me of Faceshit posts... "I am unique and special blah blah".

Everyone is unique. No such thing as 'normal'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read this story as well, can never quite get my head round the way that people look for any factor that makes people different instead of looking for what makes them the same.

would probably solve a lot of issues.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I think that people are creepingly and in some cases grudgingly becoming more accepting of those that are different.

But I do think that people might get understanding weariness if as I said, people are inventing more sexualities to add to the acronym every few months.

It was initially just LGB. Then the T got added as we are as much victims of discrimination as the LGB lot. Trans not being a sexuality but a dysphoria. So it went forward to promote the diversity and oppose any discrimination.

I would say that LGBT pretty much covers it. Anything else I would say is just a subset of one or more of those 4 categories.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think that people are creepingly and in some cases grudgingly becoming more accepting of those that are different.

But I do think that people might get understanding weariness if as I said, people are inventing more sexualities to add to the acronym every few months.

It was initially just LGB. Then the T got added as we are as much victims of discrimination as the LGB lot. Trans not being a sexuality but a dysphoria. So it went forward to promote the diversity and oppose any discrimination.

I would say that LGBT pretty much covers it. Anything else I would say is just a subset of one or more of those 4 categories. "

I agree. The world is trying to be too politically correct these days. I'm fed up of people getting pissed off when we use the wrong term for this or that. Leave it at LGBT. Not whfifuevskfogbridbeofnfbdurb.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


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I agree. The world is trying to be too politically correct these days. I'm fed up of people getting pissed off when we use the wrong term for this or that. Leave it at LGBT. Not whfifuevskfogbridbeofnfbdurb. "

I'd say that everyone is allowed a terminology slip if you've no idea. It's when you do it simply to be offensive. With so many different terms you often can't be expected to guess right every time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the Uni I used to go to, they had LGBTQ*

Q standing for Queer as a general "alternative sexuality" term and the 8 standing for all the straight supporters/family/friends... I think it was brilliant.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Just seen an article on the BBC news site about the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi, trans) world getting rather complicated.

There's people questioning why have the L in the first place, as surely that's covered by the G? And some lesbians saying we have nothing in common with gay men so we want to stay in our own category.

There's also people wanting it changed to LGBTQQI. That's Queer, Questioning, Intersexed. Which I think is getting a bit of a mouthful. When you start adding Q to any acronym you're pretty screwed. Why not just chuck in an X or Z too?

There's a suggestion of GLW, for gay/lesbian/whatever. But I think that marginalises the Bi and trans people. Both of whom get abuse not only from the straight section but also the Gay sides too.

I can see the value and strength of inclusivity among the groups. But with people making new sexualities up for themselves every day, often I think in order to scream about how different they are, is there not a point where the movement should say hold on, for the sake of argument and keeping it simple we'll put one more category of Different on, LGBTD and that should cover it?

I just don't want to be saying to someone in a few years "yeah I'm just off out to my LGBTQQIXUZVKDP meeting, first hour is just going through this weeks new sexualities so I may be late".

Any thoughts? Anyone arsed?"

Didn't we go through this in 1995? That was the year London Pride didn't happen because of these rows about what terms to use. There were the comments that the L shouldn't be there and the T should be there and a whole faction that said loud and proud "it's GAY PRIDE - leave it at that".

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"I think that people are creepingly and in some cases grudgingly becoming more accepting of those that are different.

But I do think that people might get understanding weariness if as I said, people are inventing more sexualities to add to the acronym every few months.

It was initially just LGB. Then the T got added as we are as much victims of discrimination as the LGB lot. Trans not being a sexuality but a dysphoria. So it went forward to promote the diversity and oppose any discrimination.

I would say that LGBT pretty much covers it. Anything else I would say is just a subset of one or more of those 4 categories.

I agree. The world is trying to be too politically correct these days. I'm fed up of people getting pissed off when we use the wrong term for this or that. Leave it at LGBT. Not whfifuevskfogbridbeofnfbdurb. "

I think it was a sign things had gone too far when "zhe" was invented to be used in place of she or he when there is ambiguity or the person might be offended by being referred to as one or the other.

When there's sufficient doubt for zhe to be used, surely the person is going to be aware of this and will understand that sometimes people might use the wrong personal pronoun?

It's easy enough to just tell them, without drama, which you prefer, I'd think. I'm sure most people would use the preferred one if asked, (whatever they think about the gender identity of the individual).

I wish to be sensitive to people with gender identities and sexualities different to my own, some of which I may not understand, but political correctness has gone a bit far.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Just seen an article on the BBC news site about the LGBT (lesbian, gay, bi, trans) world getting rather complicated.

There's people questioning why have the L in the first place, as surely that's covered by the G? And some lesbians saying we have nothing in common with gay men so we want to stay in our own category.

There's also people wanting it changed to LGBTQQI. That's Queer, Questioning, Intersexed. Which I think is getting a bit of a mouthful. When you start adding Q to any acronym you're pretty screwed. Why not just chuck in an X or Z too?

There's a suggestion of GLW, for gay/lesbian/whatever. But I think that marginalises the Bi and trans people. Both of whom get abuse not only from the straight section but also the Gay sides too.

I can see the value and strength of inclusivity among the groups. But with people making new sexualities up for themselves every day, often I think in order to scream about how different they are, is there not a point where the movement should say hold on, for the sake of argument and keeping it simple we'll put one more category of Different on, LGBTD and that should cover it?

I just don't want to be saying to someone in a few years "yeah I'm just off out to my LGBTQQIXUZVKDP meeting, first hour is just going through this weeks new sexualities so I may be late".

Any thoughts? Anyone arsed?

Didn't we go through this in 1995? That was the year London Pride didn't happen because of these rows about what terms to use. There were the comments that the L shouldn't be there and the T should be there and a whole faction that said loud and proud "it's GAY PRIDE - leave it at that".

"

Then, with all the new terms and identities, it is obviously long overdue. It's essential to keep the confusion current or the norms might learn to understand it and limit the potential use of the discrimination card.

(cynical mode: off)

*I recognise it's a small minority that try to use claims of discrimination to their advantage.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"

Any thoughts? Anyone arsed?

Didn't we go through this in 1995? That was the year London Pride didn't happen because of these rows about what terms to use. There were the comments that the L shouldn't be there and the T should be there and a whole faction that said loud and proud "it's GAY PRIDE - leave it at that".

Then, with all the new terms and identities, it is obviously long overdue. It's essential to keep the confusion current or the norms might learn to understand it and limit the potential use of the discrimination card.

(cynical mode: off)

*I recognise it's a small minority that try to use claims of discrimination to their advantage."

1995 was a real turning point for me and those I knew in the movement then. Pride went commercial after that and we really started looking at power dynamics in the LGBT communities.

But the arguments were so tedious.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

1995 was the year I turned to the light side, only just discovered myself and Jodie so that whole thing passed me by. And was another few years before I left my comfy closet.

I just find in the few years I've been on the scene proper it has changed. And the only actual abuse I've had has been from a gay man. Sometimes I think the organisations can be their own worst enemy. Like in this case, as I said I think understanding weariness might set in among the populace.

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"I'm happy just being me "

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