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By *ouple in Lancashire OP   Couple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

an unmade bed..

£2 million plus..

cobblers..b

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Life is art. It all qualifies.

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By *ouple in Lancashire OP   Couple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

life is the excuse perhaps given to sell any old bollocks as 'art..

snake oil..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The value is dictated by those that are prepared to pay the asking price

Gimp

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?

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By *ouple in Lancashire OP   Couple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?"

to someone with unlimited funds and sometimes no idea then anything, absolutely anything..

pile of bricks, chopped up bodies..

one can see beauty in all that surrounds us in the natural world and other species..

I cant see anything but an unmade bed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?"

Ideas without boundaries.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?

to someone with unlimited funds and sometimes no idea then anything, absolutely anything..

pile of bricks, chopped up bodies..

one can see beauty in all that surrounds us in the natural world and other species..

I cant see anything but an unmade bed.."

Does art have to be beautiful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Art is a commodity - no more no less. Can be bought and sold just like a barrel of oil

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By *ouple in Lancashire OP   Couple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?

to someone with unlimited funds and sometimes no idea then anything, absolutely anything..

pile of bricks, chopped up bodies..

one can see beauty in all that surrounds us in the natural world and other species..

I cant see anything but an unmade bed..

Does art have to be beautiful?

"

it could be the most beautiful bed and it still wouldn't be art to me..

guess i'll have to spend my 2 mill plus on something else..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone gave me £½ a million they could have my bed, art is in the eye of the bank manager

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the bits get numbered and are put back in the same place each time it is moved.

What is art?

to someone with unlimited funds and sometimes no idea then anything, absolutely anything..

pile of bricks, chopped up bodies..

one can see beauty in all that surrounds us in the natural world and other species..

I cant see anything but an unmade bed..

Does art have to be beautiful?

"

No

Some of the finest objects of art(in my mind)depict items or scenes of horror or sadness, To me art in its purest form is transferring to a medium..Canvas or clay a lifelike image of the subject

Gimp

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

beauty and art are in the eye of the beholder,iv been known to get a tear in my eye at some of the art iv seen,and others have left me cold

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The purpose of art is primarily to provoke emotional response .

Money? "Forget about it.." (name that movie).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Money is only an IOU for services rendered. It's not actually worth anything. Art is worth something...even a crummy old bed...it's worth more than money. Money is printable...you want more of it...just print up a new batch...old moth eaten manky bed is unique

You go down the bank and ask for a mortgage. They agree just as long as you commit to spend the next 20 years of your life paying it back with interest. You agree, thinking that they're gonna reach into their pockets and give you their hard earned cash and therefore you owe that money back. Instead they merely get on the phone and print up a new batch for you. That money didn't exist before you 'borrowed' it...now suddenly it exists and you supposedly owe it back.

You think a lousy bed selling for a bomb is a joke...it doesn't even register compared to the joke that is money

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By *vsnikkiTV/TS
over a year ago

Limavady


"If someone gave me £½ a million they could have my bed, art is in the eye of the bank manager"

But the point is that until Tracey came up with it, no one else did it. You could have done it but you didn't (and I didn't either!)

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

My bed and dirty sheets are available for a lot less. I need a couple of days to complete this piece of outstanding unique art, and cash up front is essential. It can be customised within reason. Bids start at £10000. I can be thrown in for an extra fee. Art for me is communication and expression.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Money is only an IOU for services rendered. It's not actually worth anything. Art is worth something...even a crummy old bed...it's worth more than money. Money is printable...you want more of it...just print up a new batch...old moth eaten manky bed is unique

You go down the bank and ask for a mortgage. They agree just as long as you commit to spend the next 20 years of your life paying it back with interest. You agree, thinking that they're gonna reach into their pockets and give you their hard earned cash and therefore you owe that money back. Instead they merely get on the phone and print up a new batch for you. That money didn't exist before you 'borrowed' it...now suddenly it exists and you supposedly owe it back.

You think a lousy bed selling for a bomb is a joke...it doesn't even register compared to the joke that is money "

So basically art is worthless because its value is dictated by something that doesnt exist.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"an unmade bed..

£2 million plus..

cobblers..b "

If Leanado had painted it would be. Its not my sort of art but I can see how some see it that way.

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By *illing131Man
over a year ago

cardiff

Over simplistic analysis of economics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If someone gave me £½ a million they could have my bed, art is in the eye of the bank manager"

Can have mine for free. Save me taking it the tip.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over simplistic analysis of economics"

Not at all, Economics is very simple, Based on household management just complicated by the modern day "Experts" who earn their living by thinking up new theories and projections.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get it that a lot of people on here like art that is realistic, expressive, beautiful, skillful, and perhaps tells some kind of worthwhile story. But today all those things are generally seen as belonging to provincial art i.e. the pretty paintings you can buy in tourist resorts.

Whether you appreciate it or not, contemporary art is primarily philosophy more than anything else. It uses objects and experiences to explore concepts and that's what it's primarily about...philosophy in objects rather than words.

Today, what looks like art is probably mere craftsmanship...whilst what doesn't look like art is probably art. Unfortunately craftmanship in an age of mass production is almost worthless. A friend I knew used to make bespoke jewelry...but she simply couldn't compete with the price of what was coming out of China...so she gave up.

Why is the bed art? Because the gallery system, the art critics, the art historians, the collectors, and the fellow artists say it is. Most contemporary artists find that state of affairs somewhat fraudulent...and that's why so many of them take the piss out of it by making shit and calling it art Believe it or not that's actually true

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By *illing131Man
over a year ago

cardiff

If only that was true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Over simplistic analysis of economics"

Money used to be connected to the gold standard...now it's just worth whatever everyone thinks it's worth. Countries straight jacket themselves to pay their debts back, only to have the banks turn round and print off a whole load more of money out of thin air. I'd say that's bigger bullshit than anything in the art world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If only that was true"

It is true

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Art is a subjective concept. All art elicits a response, be it positive or negative. This piece succeeds on both levels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If only that was true

It is true"

Ooopps I presumed you were refering to my remark that many contemporary artists are actually taking the piss out of the art world...which is true. But you may have been commenting on a previous post by someone else about economics...sorry if that was a case of mixed wires lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some say cunt is art! Others say cunt is ugly! Personally I think its not much use unless its wet!

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By *illing131Man
over a year ago

cardiff

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Life is art. It all qualifies."

What shikhar said.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Gimme your body

Gimme your mind

Open your heart

Pull down the blind

Gimme your love gimme it all

Gimme in the kitchen gimme in the hall

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Art for Arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Gimme the readys

Gimme the cash

Gimme a bullet

Gimme a smash

Gimme a silver gimme a gold

Make it a million for when I get old

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Art for Arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Money talks so listen to it

Money talks to me

Anyone can understand it

Money can't be beat Oh no

When you get down, down to the root

Don't give a damn don't give a hoot

Still gotta keep makin the loot

Chauffeur driven

Gotta make her quick as you can

Give her lovin' make you a man

Get her in the palm of your hand

Bread from Heaven

Gimme a country

Where I can be free

Don't need the unions

Strangling me

Keep me in exile the rest of my days

Burn me in hell but as long as it pays

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

Art for arts sake

Money for Gods sake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Art is a subjective concept. All art elicits a response, be it positive or negative. This piece succeeds on both levels."

I agree with you Ligeia but I think the majority of recent art isn't really as much interested in reactions and emotions as it is ideas. The main thrust of Tracey's work, imo, is about the tabloid culture we have of prying into celebrities private lives and wanting to expose their secrets, turn them into a scandal, and use and abuse celebrities as tools for gossip, regardless of how awful an experience they've been through. She has given up her bed, her tent, and various other things, deliberately to play into this sordid tabloid culture of celebrity exposure, freely detailing abuses in her own past so as to deliberately generate salacious gossip, and used her own celebrity to play along with it at the same time. Pretty fucking clever when you sit back and think about it.

The objects themselves lack much merit...it's the concepts they explore, the philosophy that they unravel. They hold a mirror up to our current culture's thirst for voyeuristic celebrity scandal. That's the way I see it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Art is fame, there were and are many great artists in all fields from music dance to painting and sculpture, who only manage to scrape a living often with the help of a day job.

Very few become famous and earn good money for their work, to those who achieve success I wish good luck, a very lucky few will achieve immortality e.g. Rembrandt, Mozart etc.

Most will fail or be happy as giftshop artists and pub musicians, to them I give thanks as they give me the most joy.

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