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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Apparently 50% of our trade is with the EU. Could this trade be under threat if we leave the EU?

Would it matter?

Actually this "trade" is in fact a defecit. According to the OBR. This trade is actually costing us over £40Bn per year (we buy more than we sell!)

In 1972 60% of our trade was with the rest of Europe (the EU didn't exist then)

Are we better in or out?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it The Final Countdown?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Apparently 50% of our trade is with the EU. Could this trade be under threat if we leave the EU?

Would it matter?

Actually this "trade" is in fact a defecit. According to the OBR. This trade is actually costing us over £40Bn per year (we buy more than we sell!)

In 1972 60% of our trade was with the rest of Europe (the EU didn't exist then)

Are we better in or out?"

I'd say in...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it The Final Countdown?"

after Camerons defeat today over EU president it might be.

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By *igandanneCouple
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Switzerland seems to be doing ok out of the mess thats called euroland

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By *inger SiMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *inger SiMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Is it The Final Countdown?"

Lol nice one fleursoleil.

We're leaving together,

But still it's farewell

And maybe we'll come back,

To earth, who can tell ?

I guess there is no one to blame

We're leaving ground

Will things ever be the same again?

It's the final countdown...

We're heading for Venus and still we stand tall

Cause maybe they've seen us and welcome us all

With so many light years to go and things to be found

I'm sure that we'll all miss her so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were ahead of their time

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By *inger SiMan
over a year ago

Cambridge

"They were ahead of their time

Lol sure were.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Better in. Id need to read full fiscal reports for further scrutiny, and not base my decision on any propaganda from a party. Germany is doing fairly well inside, at first thoughts. If we leave then expect employment and equalities protection to be less secure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

better out, And as for fiscal reports lets remember that two of the largest Accountancy agencies have refused to sign off on the EU accounts for good reason.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

.....but that Cameron, - what a complete wanker; doesn't anyone else cringe when that preposterous etonite slimy scumbag appears on tv as a reminder of the national acute ignorance?

.......maybe it's just me, then.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

our voting system enables 'safe seats' where political parties put their mates. The marginal seats are the only seats that count, there the politicians have to work, to do something of value.

Map that to Europe and its a handful of marginal seats that decide who is going to control. The majority of people voting therefore have no say, hence coalition this time around.

The majority of politicians are in it for themselves and their own ego. They get to power through marginal seats, so the few bringing in the many. Hence its corrupt, its designed that way.

In or out is not going to change anything, we might as well stay in and at least try and compete with USA and China. As the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we could never compete with the USA and China on our own ...

E.g. worlds first business computer, Leo. Designed by Lyons. Sold only in the UK, population 50m. IBM, second business computer. Sold only in USA, population 220m.

When IBM came to the UK they had so much money, huge economies of scale they destroyed Leo Computers in an instant. Now all computers are USA or China ... Growth, scale, opportunity local that enables global... Stay in Europe and fight back with Costa Coffee over Starbucks... Etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Switzerland seems to be doing ok out of the mess thats called euroland"

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Just because we would no longer be under the EU umbrella we could still trade with the EU. the greedy bastards in Brussels need to start by relaxing some of the bullshit laws they bring in at the drop of a hat.And close the boarders that are wide open we as a country are on our knees, we have trouble funding ourselves without giving them Billions of our hard earned... Get us the fuck out asp

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By *he tactile technicianMan
over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

"Just because we would no longer be under the EU umbrella we could still trade with the EU. the greedy bastards in Brussels need to start by relaxing some of the bullshit laws they bring in at the drop of a hat.And close the boarders that are wide open we as a country are on our knees, we have trouble funding ourselves without giving them Billions of our hard earned... Get us the fuck out asp"
Yeah! we would become an EFTA member, european free trade association, such as Norway; Switzerland; Iceland, and others. It would mean that the free movement of European citizens would end, we could reintroduce border control and send some of the european migrants home. It would also protect us from the influx from the Ukrane, Maldova, and the Georgian mafia, when the EU fast tracks those ex soviet territories to full European membership to further piss off Putin

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

Definitely OUT!

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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago

near Glasgow

"Just because we would no longer be under the EU umbrella we could still trade with the EU. the greedy bastards in Brussels need to start by relaxing some of the bullshit laws they bring in at the drop of a hat.And close the boarders that are wide open we as a country are on our knees, we have trouble funding ourselves without giving them Billions of our hard earned... Get us the fuck out asp Yeah! we would become an EFTA member, european free trade association, such as Norway; Switzerland; Iceland, and others. It would mean that the free movement of European citizens would end, we could reintroduce border control and send some of the european migrants home. It would also protect us from the influx from the Ukrane, Maldova, and the Georgian mafia, when the EU fast tracks those ex soviet territories to full European membership to further piss off Putin"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it The Final Countdown?

after Camerons defeat today over EU president it might be."

I never thought I'd say this but at least Maggie would go in & come back with what she wanted. He's like an over grown school prefect. A total numpty.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

".....but that Cameron, - what a complete wanker; doesn't anyone else cringe when that preposterous etonite slimy scumbag appears on tv as a reminder of the national acute ignorance?

.......maybe it's just me, then......."

No, its not just you.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Switzerland seems to be doing ok out of the mess thats called euroland"

Presumably you have read that elsewhere as opposed to researched it. Switzerland is back peddling like crazy over the February referendum to limit EU migration because of the threat of EU sanctions. They are outside of the EU but effectively cannot influence any EU policy and are simply lemmings that have to follow the dictat.

What are we? Isolationist lemmings or team players committed to an inclusive future? Being team players means working as a team with Jonny Foreigner - a concept that more and more little Englanders are finding increasingly difficult to cope with.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Is it The Final Countdown?

after Camerons defeat today over EU president it might be.

I never thought I'd say this but at least Maggie would go in & come back with what she wanted. He's like an over grown school prefect. A total numpty. "

So if the UK was outvoted 26/2 how would Mrs Thatcher have come away with more?

It was a vote about the future EU leadership. 26 countries (including France who are more anti EU at the moment than the UK) voted for Juncker. Neither Mrs Thatcher, Winston Churchill nor flavour of the month Herr Farage could have made any difference whatsoever.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"Just because we would no longer be under the EU umbrella we could still trade with the EU. the greedy bastards in Brussels need to start by relaxing some of the bullshit laws they bring in at the drop of a hat.And close the boarders that are wide open we as a country are on our knees, we have trouble funding ourselves without giving them Billions of our hard earned... Get us the fuck out asp Yeah! we would become an EFTA member, european free trade association, such as Norway; Switzerland; Iceland, and others. It would mean that the free movement of European citizens would end, we could reintroduce border control and send some of the european migrants home. It would also protect us from the influx from the Ukrane, Maldova, and the Georgian mafia, when the EU fast tracks those ex soviet territories to full European membership to further piss off Putin"

You might want to do a quick fact check on your assertions.

The founding members of EFTA were Austria, Denmark, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Finland became an associate member in 1961 (becoming a full member in 1986) and Iceland joined in 1970. The United Kingdom and Denmark joined the EEC in 1973, and hence ceased to be EFTA members. Portugal also left EFTA for the European Community in 1986. Austria, Sweden and Finland joined the EU in 1995 and thus ceased to be EFTA members.

EFTA is considered to be a cautious route IN to the EU and not a way out. The very nature of EFTA is that it is required to adhere to all EU dictats but without having a seat at the table and therefore no input. EFTA members historically went into the EU in order to have more say in the dictats that come out - not the other way round.

Why would you leave a group to have no say in future group rules if you were still going to be committed and obligated by the group rules?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we leve Europe won't we be able to trade with company's in other country's on our terms ? Do better deals ? .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

originally the then called common market was formed to form a trading alliance that could compete globally with the likes of the usa,it as moved on from being a trading alliance to being a federal type govt trying to control the laws of member states,and these decisions are made by officials that none of the public in any of the member countries have had a say in appointing,we need to get out and start making laws for the British people here in Britain,by a govt elected by the British people

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By *himanMan
over a year ago

chichester

Out !

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

We can and we must

We can trade with our commonwealth, tell me one thing that we can't buy or sell from Europe that we can't get from them.

We would even get to make our own laws again.

UKIP is the answer, you know it makes sense

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"We can and we must

We can trade with our commonwealth, tell me one thing that we can't buy or sell from Europe that we can't get from them.

We would even get to make our own laws again.

UKIP is the answer, you know it makes sense"

UKIP is most certainly the answer for people who mistakenly think that there are simple solutions to complex problems. Nigel Farage is the one man crusade to fix all our problems isn't he? Uh.... No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is the EU out to do what the French (Napoleon) & Germans (Hitler) couldn't do? Beat us! It does now appear that Britain is the dumping ground for the EU and in the real world what has the EU done for us?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The UK economy has structurally changed during our membership of the EU from a manufacturing based one to a service based one. Services account for about 80% of our GDP of which the finance sector in London accounts for about 15%.

Until we get a proper debate with proper facts and figures we are all just guessing whether we are better off in or out.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"We can and we must

We can trade with our commonwealth, tell me one thing that we can't buy or sell from Europe that we can't get from them.

We would even get to make our own laws again.

UKIP is the answer, you know it makes sense

UKIP is most certainly the answer for people who mistakenly think that there are simple solutions to complex problems. Nigel Farage is the one man crusade to fix all our problems isn't he? Uh.... No."
do you have a better solution, the other main line parties have sold down the river on this

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Is the EU out to do what the French (Napoleon) & Germans (Hitler) couldn't do? Beat us! It does now appear that Britain is the dumping ground for the EU and in the real world what has the EU done for us?"
couldn't have put it better myself BRAVO

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

Beat us at what, exactly?

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"originally the then called common market was formed to form a trading alliance that could compete globally with the likes of the usa,it as moved on from being a trading alliance to being a federal type govt trying to control the laws of member states,and these decisions are made by officials that none of the public in any of the member countries have had a say in appointing,we need to get out and start making laws for the British people here in Britain,by a govt elected by the British people"
Bravo bravo

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By *uslaffMan
over a year ago

manchester

"Switzerland seems to be doing ok out of the mess thats called euroland"

Switzerland is super expensive, £ 28 for a trim,steal at £ 42 a kilo. Trade is run by cartels who artificially inflate prices.

Low taxes and good wages are fine,but you can pay four times as much for goods there,as anywhere else in Europe.

Being out of Europe creates import tax issues,that the consumer pays handsomely for.

That's why many nip into Germany or wherever for their weekly big shop.

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By *luezuluMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

"Switzerland seems to be doing ok out of the mess thats called euroland

Switzerland is super expensive, £ 28 for a trim,steal at £ 42 a kilo. Trade is run by cartels who artificially inflate prices.

Low taxes and good wages are fine,but you can pay four times as much for goods there,as anywhere else in Europe.

Being out of Europe creates import tax issues,that the consumer pays handsomely for.

That's why many nip into Germany or wherever for their weekly big shop."
Chuffing hell I usually go to Iceland

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