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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

do you believe? my mum is thinking of going to see one because her neighbour had seen one and said she knew things nobody would know my mum said she wants to let my late dad know she loved him and didn't get a chance to say goodbye im not sure she should go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would never scoff at another's beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all a con but if it brings someone comfort then good luck to 'em.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I believe in them but for all the real ones there are many fakes xx

Tell your mum he would of known how much she loved him

She wouldn't need to go and see one for that xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's probably a con but sometimes it can help people let go but then there's the risk it can damage her. At the end of the day it's her choice. you just need to be there for her.

Hope that helps. X

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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"I believe in them but for all the real ones there are many fakes xx

Tell your mum he would of known how much she loved him

She wouldn't need to go and see one for that xx"

that's what I told her

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By *leasuresharerMan
over a year ago

southampton

"I would never scoff at another's beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all a con but if it brings someone comfort then good luck to 'em. "

I don't believein it but you can believe what you want as long as you don't force it on others

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I would never recommend anyone to pay money to see a psychic, they then need to provide some sort of result and will in all probability make it up. Would your Mum be happier if the two of you performed a private ceremony dedicating a special rose bush or something as a physical reminder if the love she feels?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bunch of charlatans the whole lot of em!...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm on the fence with psychics...have been told things that could be seen as coincidental, but then that would be a lot of coincidences! However also have seen a couple of 'psychics' that were clearly trying to get me to feed them information for a reading. Guess if she approaches with a bit of healthy cynicism though then it can be quite nice to hear the things they say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i went to see one last year. she didn't mention anything from anyone who has passed and I've got plenty of them. she did however describe my ex to a t!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suggest anyone holding an open-mind on the subject Go-ogle's "Cold reading techniques "

That will open your eyes....

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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"I would never recommend anyone to pay money to see a psychic, they then need to provide some sort of result and will in all probability make it up. Would your Mum be happier if the two of you performed a private ceremony dedicating a special rose bush or something as a physical reminder if the love she feels?

we have planted a rose bush for him I went to a romany once and she told me nothing useful

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By *leasuresharerMan
over a year ago

southampton

"i went to see one last year. she didn't mention anything from anyone who has passed and I've got plenty of them. she did however describe my ex to a t!"

Arrogant, selfish, bast**d?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I misread the title. Thought it said Physics - which is Science and my degree subject.

The rest I feel is all woooo woooo and mumbo jumbo. But that's just my scientific opinion

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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

"I suggest anyone holding an open-mind on the subject Go-ogle's "Cold reading techniques "

That will open your eyes....

very interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i went to see one last year. she didn't mention anything from anyone who has passed and I've got plenty of them. she did however describe my ex to a t!

Arrogant, selfish, bast**d?

nope. wasn't anything as general as that. she was really quite specific

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suggest anyone holding an open-mind on the subject Go-ogle's "Cold reading techniques "

That will open your eyes....

I've had people try this kind of approach, which has once resulted in me laughing in their face. I have also had one psychic tell me that, despite me turning up at her house in a brand new car, I would be changing my car in a few weeks...I work in the motor trade and my company car used to get changed almost monthly. Anyone going on odds alone I doubt would have picked that particular thing as an event to try their luck on as what are the chances of someone with a new car changing it so quickly? She couldn't have 'looked me up' to see what I did for a living as my friend made the booking and gave just her own first name and number at the time so there wasn't any info to enable her to track me down...or if she did then she must have bloody high clearance at MI5!

There were other things said that I'm not going to go into on here but that I didn't know at the time so couldn't have given away to her. I've had very mixed experiences of anything related to clairvoyance and mediums which is why I can't ever say outright it's all nonsense...although there are some that take advantage of the desires of some people to believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Go see Derren Browns latest stage show infamous and then tell me if you still believe (those that do that is) he blows all doubt anyone may have out the water

That's why I love the guy he enjoys providing prove of what charlatans they All are

Clever yes, genuine no!

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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

whoopee Goldberg in ghost comes to mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are charlatans and there are spiritual folk.

There are people with open minds and those with closed or perhaps better phrased as minds that are dictated by logic.

The ones with logical minds tend to be of the "scientific" persuasion.

Science is there to validate hypotheses that can be proved. It has no truck with faith and feelings. Decide which side of the fence you are on and then explore and come to your own conclusions based on your experience.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

Psychics, mediums, faith healers and associated persons are charlatans who pray on the weak, vulnerable and gullable for money by means of emotional manipulation and presentation of false hope, false answers and bare faced lies.

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

Psychics etc. trade personal details about their victims with each other and learn a lot about their victim before hand if it is a one on one reading. This, coupled with cold reading techniques they often succeed in fooling people into thinking they have insight into unknown realms. They are laughing at you inside whilst taking your money. Just a convoluted playground bully.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Course i do, i have a certificate to say i got a Grade B.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tosh, Complete and utter Tosh.

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

That is fine. You are of the scientific mind. Although I think even scientists might be a little anxious about your word "fact." It is probably better phrased as "supposition" or "theory." E=MC squared (although now refined) was ground-breaking at the time. Science provides a theory as to how observable phenomena may be predicted. It is not on the whole influenced by human emotion. There are many people in the world who follow faiths. Scientifically, they are wrong. I prefer to follow a slightly wider view but each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most likely it'll be vague information and possibly gathered with some research and then a case of directing/reading signals from the subject.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

No no, I did not mention science and you are putting up a straw man argument there.

Psychics are frauds. If it makes you feel happy to kid yourself it works then that is one thing.

However facts are facts. Theories are theories. Some things are correct and given that psychics know they are lying, that makes calling them liars a fact. The train I am on right now is purple. That is a fact. It is raining outside. That is a fact. These are not theories.

If I told you that I could make a wooly mammoth fly with my mind, I would be lying. I could not be disproved because there are no wooly mammoths left and my gift does not work with elephants or Llamas. Would you believe me? Probably not. Why do you believe psychics etc? They tell you what you want to hear but keep it just real and hard enough for you to believe they are not telling you what you want to hear.

How many psychics can operate over the telephone without an appointment where their cold reading and pre research techniques cannot be employed so well?

If someone says to me, "I know it is not true but it makes me feel good thus I am happy to spend my money feeling good" then I say to them, "cool go ahead". If they say however that psychics are true and their lives need them for direction and answers then it cannot be left alone.

Psychics etc. are liars and fraudsters extorting money under false pretences. It is just really hard to prove as it is simply their word and vested interest against the word of whoever is trying to prove they are fraudsters. The difference is the people trying to prove that psychics are frauds have no vested interest.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"Go see Derren Browns latest stage show infamous and then tell me if you still believe (those that do that is) he blows all doubt anyone may have out the water

That's why I love the guy he enjoys providing prove of what charlatans they All are

Clever yes, genuine no!"

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

What's puzzling to me is that the Psychic industry obeys market forces, surely the ability to communicate with the dead, predict future events, have knowledge of individuals lives having never met before, would be priceless.

However most seem to settle for a going rate that's commensurate with their client's financial wherewithal.

Think I know why !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will not share my beliefs, as there seems to be many on here with very strong opinions, all of which are their own to keep.

In answer to your question, I doubt it would do your Mum any harm, and who knows, she may sleep a little easier x

And if your Mum is happy then I am sure you will be too

Sara

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Have seen a few and thought they were pretty shit and saying things like I have a man here with me and hes sad as he didn't say good bye , wow really you don't say , Then some years ago saw John Edwards (an American) shit me he was really on the money . would get a name then go to the person and get stuff that no one would know , watched him on tv and hell he is no fake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree not all of them are good and not everything they say is right but I believe in spiritualists and if helps people then I 100% agree with it. I myself have joined a development circle to become a psychic and it's really interesting from doing it I've had messages from loved ones and I really like it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think there's a whole side of life which is really subtle...and it's really about listening more than anything else...deep silent listening. The dowser switches off and puts themselves into receive mode. They listen. Then their rods tell them there's an underground stream and....sure enough...there turns out to be an underground stream there. This is why dowsers and the like are used by the oil companies to find oil.

The way I think this works is that the human being is actually capable of tapping into things which are beyond the usual WYSIWYG ...but they need to put themselves into a highly receptive mode. It's not that the dowsing rods actually pick up anything...it's that the human perceives it and then makes the dowsing rods respond...at least that's my theory lol

So I think real 'psychism', although I don't like that word, is possible...but it's really about becoming quiet and receptive and opening yourself up to subtle messages.

Having said that I'd suggest that anyone charging money to do this as a service is almost certainly a charlatan operating in very much the same way Derren Brown has so wonderfully demonstrated.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

They're all fake. Some of them have clever tricks and can do impressive things, but only in the way that magicians do.

You wouldn't believe a magician really had special powers so why believe a psychic does? Because they say so? People lie or fool themselves.

If it brings comfort then that's fine, but it's dangerous. I knew someone who spent hundreds and hundreds of pounds 'talking' to her dead son.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'd just like to comment on the above purple train. You may consider it to be 'fact' that it is purple, but to a colourblind person, it might be seen as a different colour. A blind person could know it's a train but would only have your word for it that it is purple so for the blind person your 'fact' is opinion. Bees can see in ultra violet so the train wouldn't b purple to them. Some snakes see in heat so wouldn't see purple at all. I'd be wary of definately defining 'facts'.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I'd just like to comment on the above purple train. You may consider it to be 'fact' that it is purple, but to a colourblind person, it might be seen as a different colour. A blind person could know it's a train but would only have your word for it that it is purple so for the blind person your 'fact' is opinion. Bees can see in ultra violet so the train wouldn't b purple to them. Some snakes see in heat so wouldn't see purple at all. I'd be wary of definately defining 'facts'. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

No no, I did not mention science and you are putting up a straw man argument there.

Psychics are frauds. If it makes you feel happy to kid yourself it works then that is one thing.

How many psychics can operate over the telephone without an appointment where their cold reading and pre research techniques cannot be employed so well?

Just out of curiosity, it they don't charge money then does this change any of the argument about them being liars and frauds? I only ask as I have a few friends with various 'abilities', but they don't charge a fee if they get any kind of message... Although to be fair I rarely get any kind of message from them as they feel that knowing me might make them interpret the message incorrectly which is why I previously mentioned a psychic I have visited rather than my friends. They are also a big part of the reason I am on the fence. Logically it makes no sense to be able to predict events, know someone is pregnant with twins before they have even missed a period or talk to the dead, but then I have seen and heard them do things that I just can't logically explain... My brain just won't let me lose an element of scepticism though!

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By *uby0000 OP Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

my mums neighbour told my mum this woman said when her mum died not to worry about her mums teeth .. she explained her mum always said make sure you keep my teeth in wen I go and she didn't

when her dad died she went through a wood full of bluebells and thought my dad would have loved this the woman said btw dad loved the bluebells how did she know all this

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Remember if a psychic is real they won't charge you any money.

After all, if they need money they can just win at a casino or the lottery.

Can't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

No no, I did not mention science and you are putting up a straw man argument there.

Psychics are frauds. If it makes you feel happy to kid yourself it works then that is one thing.

How many psychics can operate over the telephone without an appointment where their cold reading and pre research techniques cannot be employed so well?

As I said, your view is perfectly acceptable. I would just take it as a view and accept that other people have other views as well. I was just trying to intimate that your acceptance of wollly mammoths not flying may not be the same as other peoples.

Personally, I do not beileve in flying woolly mammoths. Proving a negative is however notoriously difficult.

I have experienced things with no obvious explanation. I would prefer not to be labelled as an idiot but do have some belief in what may be beyond everyday explanations.

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

It is a con praying on the gullible and desperate.

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By *taffs_hotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

I couldn't have put it better myself. People are vulnerable when stricken with grief and these Charlatans pray on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but I love it man!

Sharks, and I'm guessing other critters, can perceive electrical charges. I think it's something about their nose cartilage. Are sharks charlatans? No! Try calling a shark a charlatan and see what happens. They can sense something we can't. They've got a nose for it...literally. Also sharks have been known to fly into deep space. Ok maybe that bits wrong...but definitely the smelly electricity bit. I know it's twue...the men in the white coats told me

Seriously...there's psychics, people who charge you money to talk with people that don't exist anymore, and there's psychism, the ability to tune into something beyond our normal perceptions. I generally don't believe in psychics...but psychism is totally 100% real...after all how can you possibly explain that I know you're not wearing any underwear at this point!!!!

An irrefutable slam dunk argument winner I think!

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Could anyone of you imagine how your life would be if you really could communicate with dead people?

Apparently there were about 2000 million people on the planet in 1900. By the year 2000 it was 6000 million. Now I think its fair to say that pretty much all the people born in 1900 are now dead, therefor a least 2000 million dead people. Of course this is a very simplistic estimate, the number would be much higher if you go back further in history to the present day. So were talking 10's of 1000's of millions of dead people.

Now then, how many of those millions and millions and millions of dead people do you think 'might' want to have a chat with the millions and millions and millions of living friends/relatives, and the only means they have of doing so is through a very few living people with a special 'fantastic' gift that has never been proved to be real

Anyway, like I said at the start, could you imagine your life as a person who communicates with dead people? You would have literally millions and millions and millions of dead people queuing up! And you think call centers are bad!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

To take your example and apply similar logic, bees don't go to psychics so perhaps being able to see UV wavelengths means you have the knowledge that psychics are fakes. Your logic is not so much flawed as wantonly abandoned.

The wavelength of light in the human visible spectrum is relatively short, therefore to a human who can see without handicap or aberration, the train is purple. Just because a blind person cannot see, does not stop the train being purple. Just because a gullible person cannot see they are being fooled does not stop a psychic being a liar and a fake.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

No no, I did not mention science and you are putting up a straw man argument there.

Psychics are frauds. If it makes you feel happy to kid yourself it works then that is one thing.

How many psychics can operate over the telephone without an appointment where their cold reading and pre research techniques cannot be employed so well?

Personally, I do not beileve in flying woolly mammoths. Proving a negative is however notoriously difficult.

I have experienced things with no obvious explanation. I would prefer not to be labelled as an idiot but do have some belief in what may be beyond everyday explanations."

I would prefer not to be labelled many things I get labelled. I find the most effective method is to stop being what people are labelling me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could anyone of you imagine how your life would be if you really could communicate with dead people?

That's a strange logic.

I talk to living people but i don't talk to all 7 billion of em.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The following statement is fact and needs no embellishment, it is not opinion, nor is it malicious:

This is done to make themselves richer with no thought given to the emotional wreck they leave behind.

No no, I did not mention science and you are putting up a straw man argument there.

Psychics are frauds. If it makes you feel happy to kid yourself it works then that is one thing.

How many psychics can operate over the telephone without an appointment where their cold reading and pre research techniques cannot be employed so well?

So your friends who have abilities, are not able to manifest their abilities in front of you, but you still believe them?

I have wings. Honest. But I cannot fly in front of you because you know me from Fabswingers. Only people who have not seen my internet profile can see my wings and see me fly.

I can however refer you to lots of people who will vouch for my wings and who have seen me fly.

Weirldy despite this marvellous gift, I still drive an ordinary car and do not have the amazing wealth you would think such a gift would bring. It is because I don't want to make a fuss you see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

I knew you were gonna say that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stick to proper physics, the rules are a lot simpler, albeit not entirely easy.

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By *not69Man
over a year ago

Lancashire

I once went to see one. She told me things, lots of things that there was no way she could have known and were so obscure that there was no way it was just luck. I do believe there is a higher entity. Some are scams but some are genuine too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stick to proper physics, the rules are a lot simpler, albeit not entirely easy.

Is that the current physics which says something can be in two places at one time...or is that the old outdated GCSE Newtonian physics?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

Are you suggesting person X does not have a clue what they are talking about?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Could anyone of you imagine how your life would be if you really could communicate with dead people?

That's a strange logic.

I talk to living people but i don't talk to all 7 billion of em. "

To be fair, dead people probably have better things to be doing than talking to lying wankers. Better things like??

Decomposition?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Stick to proper physics, the rules are a lot simpler, albeit not entirely easy.

Is that the current physics which says something can be in two places at one time...or is that the old outdated GCSE Newtonian physics?

GCSE physics Newtonian outdated?..Newtonian mechanics isn't outdated it explains motion and properties of matter at a non quantum level perfectly adequately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it helps people what harm does it do? First reading I had she said had my gran passing on various bits of evidence then said "look after the keys"

I thought nothing of it then 6 months later on my birthday I lost my house keys which had a key ring on it which my gran gave me 15 years ago and was most worried about,can replace the keys but not that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Could anyone of you imagine how your life would be if you really could communicate with dead people?

That's a strange logic.

I talk to living people but i don't talk to all 7 billion of em.

To be fair, dead people probably have better things to be doing than talking to lying wankers. Better things like??

Decomposition? "

cue Monty Python's "Decomposing Composers"

there's less of em everyday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

Are you suggesting person X does not have a clue what they are talking about?"

I'm saying one person is speaking from a position of experience and the other from a position of dogma. There is no way of meeting because there is no way you can tell someone who had an experience that they didn't have an experience...and there is no way they can tell you they did if it doesn't make sense according to everything you know to be true. It's an infinite cycle that can only be broken if either A) they decide for themselves that they did not have that experience or B) you have the experience and realise that, despite it's seeming impossibility, it is actually real. I don't see either of those things happening on this forum tonight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

Are you suggesting person X does not have a clue what they are talking about?

Is a dream an experience?

Is there a proper explanation for that feeling of Deja Vu?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

Are you suggesting person X does not have a clue what they are talking about?

Or you explaining your position on Newtonian mechanics..lol

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

One day my dad pretty much jumped out of his armchair, rushed to the hall and opened the front door. He stood there for a few seconds and then returned to his armchair muttering, "I just saw your mother walk down the path to the front door". Thing is, mum had been dead for a year at the time.

Do I doubt his claim? Not for a split second, I've no doubt that in his mind he saw what he claimed to see.

Did he actually see a ghost? No, all he saw was a graphic rerun of a memory. He knew that too, because he would never get his arse out of the chair to open the front door to anyone, least of all my mum unless it was to give her abuse for not taking a key. So it was, no matter how real it seemed to him a total fantasy. Beside that, he was an intelligent man, and would know full well that you don't need to open a door to a ghost, they can just walk straight through

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Person who has had experience "X" says experience "X" has happened

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no it has not

Person who has had experience "X" says yes it has because I had it.

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says no you didn't you had experience "Y"

Person who has had experience "X" says how the fuck do you know...you didn't have the experience

Person who hasn't had experience "X" says I know because it makes more logical sense

Person who has had experience "X" says yes I know it makes more logical sense that it doesn't happen but I'm telling you it did happen

...and so on infinitum

Give it up guys this one'll only give you more grey hairs

Are you suggesting person X does not have a clue what they are talking about?

Is a dream an experience?

Is there a proper explanation for that feeling of Deja Vu?"

No and yes.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

The feeling of Deja Vu is explained as a an event that skips the short term memory and goes straight to long term. Hence the person 'thinks' they have been there an done it before.

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over a year ago

"Could anyone of you imagine how your life would be if you really could communicate with dead people?

Just a statistical point. More than half of all the humans that have EVER lived....are alive now. Google it and check.

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over a year ago

"Or you explaining your position on Newtonian mechanics..lol"

Agh ok you got me

The point I was trying to make was that Canis' "proper physics" was not necessarily so antagonistic towards weird and wacky phenomena. Proper physics, as I understand it, is split between Newtonian and Quantum ways of looking at the universe...both of which have given us valuable innovations...but both of which are utterly incompatible with each other. I suspect Canis, and perhaps yourself, would side with the Newtonian "what you see is what you get" argument. I'm more inclined to go with the Quantum "things can be in two places at one time" jiggery pokery

Both of these are "proper physics" at this point in time...although I personally believe that Newtonianism is on the way out...but I'd probably find that a difficult belief to defend lol

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By *he TrunkMan
over a year ago

Manchester

I turned up at a local psychics house last week for a reading as I've always been curious to try it....

She answered the door and I said I'm here for a reading, she said she couldn't do it as she was just on her way out - I replied, "well if you didn't know I was on my way here it's obviously a waste of fucking money!!!!"

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

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They are fakes, which is why they dont get tested under scientific conditions. Cold reading as performed by Derren Brown has convinced people that he is psychic, when he is totally a sceptic. For your mum, Id talk with her about how they both knew they loved each other, in and beyond words. If it is not too much cash, it may just have to be something she goes along to - Id resist my mum going, but sometimes they need to do what they feel is right or important.

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

hereford

Just a statistical point. More than half of all the humans that have EVER lived....are alive now. Google it and check."

Thanks for that and yes, that's quite easy to see, as in an ever increasing population equilibriums will exist/occur. I did say it was a 'simplistic estimate'. Still reckon you'd need more 'Talk to Dead People' shops than funeral directors.

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over a year ago

Ignorance and arrogance have destroyed civilisations that have survived and functioned for thousands of years in harmony with the environment , practising "mumbo-jumbo' . These sceptical fools with their soul-less education know nothing. It is they who are responsible for Kaliyug, not the purporters of "mumbo-jumbo".

Experience life embracing your instinct not Google.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

"Or you explaining your position on Newtonian mechanics..lol

Agh ok you got me

Both of these are "proper physics" at this point in time...although I personally believe that Newtonianism is on the way out...but I'd probably find that a difficult belief to defend lol

They are not split Newtonian mechanics fails at the atomic level...it is used and will continued to be used..I suspect you're a unreconstructed hippie at heart..and sees quantum theory from Fritjof Capra 'Tao of Physics' as a philosophy...nothing wrong with that..quantum physics is a thing of beauty..but because we don't understand some of it's apparent paradoxes as yet doesn't mean we won't

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over a year ago

"Or you explaining your position on Newtonian mechanics..lol

Agh ok you got me

Both of these are "proper physics" at this point in time...although I personally believe that Newtonianism is on the way out...but I'd probably find that a difficult belief to defend lol

Neither fully explains the way the universe works...I'd call that a split

And just because we don't understand some of Quantum physics' apparent paradoxes as yet doesn't mean we will.

Or...paraphrasing what one prominent scientist used to regularly say "you can't write blank cheques on behalf of what future scientists may or may not discover"

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over a year ago

South Devon

"Or you explaining your position on Newtonian mechanics..lol

Agh ok you got me

Both of these are "proper physics" at this point in time...although I personally believe that Newtonianism is on the way out...but I'd probably find that a difficult belief to defend lol

Neither fully explains the way the universe works...I'd call that a split

And just because we don't understand some of Quantum physics' apparent paradoxes as yet doesn't mean we will.

Or...paraphrasing what one prominent scientist used to regularly say "you can't write blank cheques on behalf of what future scientists may or may not discover"

Newtonian mechanics and the calculus are used daily by engineers across the spectrum of industry..it doesn't clash with how Quantum mechanics are used....it is not a split..they work at different levels

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over a year ago

"Newtonian mechanics and the calculus are used daily by engineers across the spectrum of industry..it doesn't clash with how Quantum mechanics are used....it is not a split..they work at different levels"

One works at level A, the other at level B. The first doesn't work at level B, and the second doesn't work at level A. Therefore each only works at it own level and cannot be applied across the spectrum of both levels A and B.

How is that not a split?

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

How is that not a split?"

They are not different schools of thought ..when you read physics at University you don't do quantum mechanics or Newtonian mechanics..you do both because they are equally valid in both application and theory...do you honestly believe there are splits amongst Universities Newtonian mechanics versus Quantum theory!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Ignorance and arrogance have destroyed civilisations that have survived and functioned for thousands of years in harmony with the environment , practising "mumbo-jumbo' . These sceptical fools with their soul-less education know nothing. It is they who are responsible for Kaliyug, not the purporters of "mumbo-jumbo".

Experience life embracing your instinct not Google."

Aye a great idea is to abandon all reason and ignore all the information before you to simply do what you would really like to be the right thing, despite the fact all things are telling you otherwise?

Why, when you get to a cliff edge do you not simply keep walking? Because every piece of rational information tells you that if you keep going you will fall and be dashed off rocks at the bottom.

However I really believe I can walk on air. So should I keep walking?

Should I hell. Google and other sources tell me that gravity will yank me to an untimely death. So I stop.

What is different in that example?

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over a year ago

Experience life embracing your instinct not Google.

Why, when you get to a cliff edge do you not simply keep walking? Because every piece of rational information tells you that if you keep going you will fall and be dashed off rocks at the bottom.

However I really believe I can walk on air. So should I keep walking?

Should I hell. Google and other sources tell me that gravity will yank me to an untimely death. So I stop.r

What is different in that example? "

Self preservation and procreation is hard wired in the circuit board of instinct. That's why you don't walk of the cliff ,regardless of your knowledge of empirical facts. The animal kingdom have no use for a degree in physics,yet it has survived for longer than you and I, and will outlive us , despite man's futile attempts to prove his superiority. The species will not survive unless the mind evolves to accept the inevitability that without instinct, they shall perish in the maelstrom of their egos. Instinct is the root of man's creativity; abandon it at yer peril me hearties.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

lots of negative comments from some who maybe have never actually been to see a true physic and I don't mean the grannie on the local peer .

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over a year ago

Bristol

Experience life embracing your instinct not Google.

Why, when you get to a cliff edge do you not simply keep walking? Because every piece of rational information tells you that if you keep going you will fall and be dashed off rocks at the bottom.

However I really believe I can walk on air. So should I keep walking?

Should I hell. Google and other sources tell me that gravity will yank me to an untimely death. So I stop.r

What is different in that example?

It is not hardwired at all.

There are plenty stories of baby humans and baby animals crawling straight over precipices to back that up. It gets taught and learned very very early but nonetheless it is not hardwired.

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over a year ago

Experience life embracing your instinct not Google.

Why, when you get to a cliff edge do you not simply keep walking? Because every piece of rational information tells you that if you keep going you will fall and be dashed off rocks at the bottom.

However I really believe I can walk on air. So should I keep walking?

Should I hell. Google and other sources tell me that gravity will yank me to an untimely death. So I stop.r

What is different in that example?

It is not hardwired at all.

There are plenty stories of baby humans and baby animals crawling straight over precipices to back that up. It gets taught and learned very very early but nonetheless it is not hardwired. "

Natural selection, survival of the fittest ring any bells? As for teaching and learning, you are now venturing into the realms of nature and nurture. Your instinct as a parent to ensure survival of your species,is the driver of edification.

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over a year ago

"lots of negative comments from some who maybe have never actually been to see a true physic and I don't mean the grannie on the local peer ."

I've never seen a true psychic, mainly because I don't believe there are any. However, I'm open minded to a degree and would change my view/opinion should I meet one. It would take a lot of convincing though.

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over a year ago

"Just out of curiosity, it they don't charge money then does this change any of the argument about them being liars and frauds? I only ask as I have a few friends with various 'abilities', but they don't charge a fee if they get any kind of message... Although to be fair I rarely get any kind of message from them as they feel that knowing me might make them interpret the message incorrectly which is why I previously mentioned a psychic I have visited rather than my friends. They are also a big part of the reason I am on the fence. Logically it makes no sense to be able to predict events, know someone is pregnant with twins before they have even missed a period or talk to the dead, but then I have seen and heard them do things that I just can't logically explain... My brain just won't let me lose an element of scepticism though!

So your friends who have abilities, are not able to manifest their abilities in front of you, but you still believe them?

I have wings. Honest. But I cannot fly in front of you because you know me from Fabswingers. Only people who have not seen my internet profile can see my wings and see me fly.

I can however refer you to lots of people who will vouch for my wings and who have seen me fly.

Weirldy despite this marvellous gift, I still drive an ordinary car and do not have the amazing wealth you would think such a gift would bring. It is because I don't want to make a fuss you see."

I never said that they had never used their abilities around me, I said I rarely get messages from them...just as you interpreted what I said in the way you wanted to, the reason they rarely give me messages is because they worry that by knowing me and knowing how I may feel about things or react to things they may interpret with bias. For example if they were to get a message relating to children they would interpret it knowing I have none and want none, and so may then read it as relating to my niece as she is the closest thing I have to a child. Someone who didn't know me or my personal circumstance wouldn't have that information and so wouldn't apply any bias to it and so may interpret it as something for future children...after all just because I don't want kids doesn't mean I may not one day end up with them! I understand you will use that as another reason for them being 'frauds', but with anything when we are given information which could be subjective we interpret it differently...which does help some of the frauds as I have seen people who try to make a message fit them as they are desperate for it.

I personally can't say for a fact that psychics and mediums are real or fake, but I'm open to the idea of both being correct, and don't feel the need to try to belittle those who don't share the same opinion as me on something that cannot 100% be proved either way.

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over a year ago

Although I do understand the proliferation of sceptical responses, can any of you science-orientated folk explain why those electron thingies disappear and reappear in a different place? That always confused me terribly.

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over a year ago

Is it necessary to book an appointment with a psychic?

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over a year ago

"Is it necessary to book an appointment with a psychic?"

Yes as I don't know when they'll be free to see me, even if they may know when I will be!

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over a year ago

"Is it necessary to book an appointment with a psychic?

Yes as I don't know when they'll be free to see me, even if they may know when I will be!"

Of course they'll be free - they'll be expecting you..

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

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"Although I do understand the proliferation of sceptical responses, can any of you science-orientated folk explain why those electron thingies disappear and reappear in a different place? That always confused me terribly."

Not with any certainty. Trouble is we can spot where it is or where it is going, not both. Damn annoying. Not having all the answers sure is difficult.

Electrons are bastards though. They don't actually exist. Well they do, but not in any quantifiable way. They do have a mass displacement, but no mass. Frustrating.

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over a year ago

"Is it necessary to book an appointment with a psychic?

Yes as I don't know when they'll be free to see me, even if they may know when I will be!

Of course they'll be free - they'll be expecting you.."

What a daft thing of course they don't predict who they will meet each day.

And how could u truly test someone's spiritual abilities?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What a daft thing of course they don't predict who they will meet each day. "

Why not?

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over a year ago

"Is it necessary to book an appointment with a psychic?

Yes as I don't know when they'll be free to see me, even if they may know when I will be!

Of course they'll be free - they'll be expecting you..

What a daft thing of course they don't predict who they will meet each day.

And how could u truly test someone's spiritual abilities? "

I think it was tongue in cheek... At least my response was as if it were!

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over a year ago

Yes. I think that was the point I was making. Science is not an explanation. It produces theories based on observable and repetitive phenomena. It does not explain nor does it take into account emotional response.

Science has limited input when it comes to, "Why do I feel great reading that poem," or "Why do I feel emotional watching/listening to that."

True scientists (or logical people) do not discount what they cannot prove and move on to areas that are within the discipline.

I have experienced things beyond the agenda of science. I do not believe or discount them.

Yes, there are many fakes in all walks of life but do have an open mind. If science cannot explain electrons appearance and disappearance in a manner that is comprehensible to humans, why should we discount other phenomena that cannot be explained in a logical manner?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Yes. I think that was the point I was making. Science is not an explanation. It produces theories based on observable and repetitive phenomena. It does not explain nor does it take into account emotional response.

Science has limited input when it comes to, "Why do I feel great reading that poem," or "Why do I feel emotional watching/listening to that."

True scientists (or logical people) do not discount what they cannot prove and move on to areas that are within the discipline.

I have experienced things beyond the agenda of science. I do not believe or discount them.

I guess we better watch out for the Spike the magic talking cactus then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If science had all the answers it wouldn't be needed.

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over a year ago

Oh, yes. Spike the talking cactus is not verified by science. I do not know about your reaction, but I find him damn freaky and would run a mile!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He sounds like a prick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those saying op's mum shouldn't see a spiritualist need to be more open minded. Yes it's not right for u but it brings comfort to people in need and if I knew message I was getting was from person I loved I'd gladly pay the person making that happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But you wouldn't know - otherwise you could presumably do it yourself

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

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"Oh, yes. Spike the talking cactus is not verified by science. I do not know about your reaction, but I find him damn freaky and would run a mile!"

He bloody is. Anyone from Aberdeen who has been to Duthie Park knows well that Spike the talking cactus is alive and well.

He will give you all the answers you want to hear. It may be obvious to a sceptic where the voice is coming from but despite it being completely obvious to anyone who can look past the first level of deception to the booth with the operator and microphone, if you choose to ignore the obvious deception, you can firmly believe that Cacti can talk.

When you talk to the "operator" they will deny all knowledge of a deception and swear blind that the cactus can talk

That sounds analogous somehow.

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over a year ago

Personally i don't believe in such things, however i can understand why some people want to believe, i just hate the ones who exploit the vulnerable I'm the time of greif

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By *ngieandMrManCouple
over a year ago

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Ask anyone to provide evidence of the existence of science and they can, every time without fail.

Ask anyone to provide evidence of the existence of anything supernatural/spiritual and they cannot, not one single scrap of real evidence.

What has been demonstrated many times is how a person can convince others that they have some sort of supernatural power/ability. The Believers answer to that is, 'oh they were fakes'.

I don't think they are all fake, I've no doubt that many of them actually believe in them self's but until one of them can show evidence I'll scientifically conclude they are deluded

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over a year ago

Shed yer blinkers me hearties . Take a tab of acid and free yer constrained minds. Australian Aboriginals were around for 50,000 years before they were obliterated in 50 years, by the champions of science. Cease all this analytical scepticism manifesting from denial and fear of that which you cannot conceive nor contemplate. In the words of the inimitable Bruce Lee.." don't think ..feel....".

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over a year ago

There are people who are gullible and will believe anything anyone who claims to be a psychic tells them...and there are people who are gullible and will believe anything anyone who claims to be a scientist tells them. More often than not the science which is being suggested, usually in a manner akin to being shouted at in a ridiculing manner while being water boarded, has been drastically simplified to the point of inaccuracy, had all the nuances of internal dilemmas and educated criticisms removed from it, and turned into a caricature of science rather than anything remotely scientific. I tend to call these people pseudo-scientists as their grasp of science is largely based upon a tabloid journalism representation of what science is rather than a recognition that science, in reality, is still in it's very infancy and, as such, is still incredibly prone to massive change, re-evaluation, and even completely up-turning revolution. Thus, at any one moment science is actually deeply uncertain about itself, critical of what it has discovered...and whether indeed it has even discovered it. This radical uncertainty is what defines science and ensures it's progress.

All that is left, if we can become comfortable with the fact that true science is uncertain, is a faith in the project of science...that science will eventually know more. This, pure and simple, is a faith...no more or less whacky than any other. Considering the lessons that history contains, the probability that our scientists will be left to pursue pure thinking without commercial interests warping it or without a great big bomb coming through the roof is, at best, unlikely. Such a faith in infinite scientific progress is, therefore, a work of science fiction.

Finally we must accept that, at any moment, we may come across a barrier beyond which we cannot pass and no further certainty or knowledge can be obtained. Take galaxies for example. From my understanding, current theories suggest that galaxies are defined by supermassive black holes, which apparently sit at the center of each of them and essentially drive them and regulate their growth. What causes those supermassive black holes? We not only don't know...but we will never know...we simply cannot know...nothing would survive passing through a black hole and, even if it did, nothing could come back out again to relay back what it found there. So the simple fact is that the core thing which defines our galaxy is, wait for it.... the unknown

Shall I douse the petrol on myself this time? Or would you rather nail me to the stake first? lol

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over a year ago

Psychics are like prostitutes. One fucks your body, the other fucks your mind. They both do it for money. I have no problem with either, I just know which one I'd rather spend my money on.

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By *he Happy ManMan
over a year ago

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"I would never scoff at another's beliefs.

Personally, I think it's all a con but if it brings someone comfort then good luck to 'em. "

This. They are all con artists doing something called cold reading. However if it brings someone comfort then good luck to them.

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over a year ago

How is that not a split?"

It's like mammals breathing in air and fish in water.... Totally different but both obtain oxygen and survive...not one is right and one is wrong.

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