FabSwingers.com forum: Bloody cyclists :-/

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's no wonder we get stick, coming to work this morning and there was two bloody idiots racing down queens drive, weaving through the traffic and jumping red lights, I cycle following the Highway Code an never take stupid risks like weaving through traffic just to get at the front, it only takes some one to open a car door or change lane suddenly, will they ever learn!?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Nope

There are knob heads in all walks if life, lorry drivers, car drivers, cyclists, horse riders, pedestrians etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Random and off topic but i read your posts like your a ginger tom stray cat ... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What always amazes me are the cyclists with all the kit - that still don't wear a cycling helmet!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What always amazes me are the cyclists with all the kit - that still don't wear a cycling helmet! "

I have a mate like that and he's been knocked off his bike once already but still refuses to wear a helmet

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Random and off topic but i read your posts like your a ginger tom stray cat ... lol"

Hahaha erm ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What always amazes me are the cyclists with all the kit - that still don't wear a cycling helmet! "

I can't understand why it isn't a legal requirement now a days, by law you have to wear a helmet on a scooter that does 25 miles an hour but a cyclist can touch 60 and more and they don't have to wear one its crazy

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive for a living and to be honest try to give cyclists as much room as I can we are all road users!

But you do get the ones that weave in and out or traffic at speed up on the pavements and even riding across zebra crossings.

Years ago we use to have adverts on the TV stating all of the do's and don't of cycling and other road use but not now!

People seem to read the rules of the roaad and then throw away the book after

I thinks it's about time they started making road info ad's again!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past."

That really winds me up, specially on single carriageways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past.

That really winds me up, specially on single carriageways "

our depot is not far from the mway junction,along a bit of unlit single de-restricted single carriageway with a dedicated(cot a fortune)bike track running along side,but in the middle of winter at 3-4am the cyclists insist on riding along the normal road without lights and wearing black or dark clothing,I just don't get it:-they must have death wish!

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By *teve196301Man
over a year ago

northumberland

I live in the sticks and the ammount of cycle races in our area is getting out of hand, last Saturday once again several hundred cycles raced past my place twice, theres a narrowing of the road and the number of times cycles raced onto the bridge with oncoming cars/vans/trucks was unreal how the drivers missed them ?? I also drive a van occassionally for work abuse & arrogance from some cyclists is common, I also take issue with the cyclists back up teams stopping traffic at junctions so cycles can race through, these people are not Traffic Police what right do they have?? The issue of riding/racing 3/4/5/6 abreast on country roads is also very dangerous I have been over taken on the inside and outside going onto a bridge!! I have no trouble with everyone using the roads but the Law should be the same for all ??

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"It's no wonder we get stick, coming to work this morning and there was two bloody idiots racing down queens drive, weaving through the traffic and jumping red lights, I cycle following the Highway Code an never take stupid risks like weaving through traffic just to get at the front, it only takes some one to open a car door or change lane suddenly, will they ever learn!?

if a cyclist holds on to my trailer and hurts himself if i set off without seeing him...yup my fault i hate um with a passion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I live in the sticks and the ammount of cycle races in our area is getting out of hand, last Saturday once again several hundred cycles raced past my place twice, theres a narrowing of the road and the number of times cycles raced onto the bridge with oncoming cars/vans/trucks was unreal how the drivers missed them ?? I also drive a van occassionally for work abuse & arrogance from some cyclists is common, I also take issue with the cyclists back up teams stopping traffic at junctions so cycles can race through, these people are not Traffic Police what right do they have?? The issue of riding/racing 3/4/5/6 abreast on country roads is also very dangerous I have been over taken on the inside and outside going onto a bridge!! I have no trouble with everyone using the roads but the Law should be the same for all ??

Totally agree mate

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

"I can't understand why it isn't a legal requirement now a days, by law you have to wear a helmet on a scooter that does 25 miles an hour but a cyclist can touch 60 and more and they don't have to wear one its crazy"

I can't understand why it isn't law to have some form of insurance too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't read post just wanted to say welcome back to the op after his long long break xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to marshal my club road races, the police used to stop the traffic and then go leaving the poor marshall to deal with the prat in the car hurling abuse at me. All I used to do was pass on the reg number to.the copper for him to have a word with them later, normally half of them did as well.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past."

really... if you wouldn't overtake a car in the same place you shouldn't try and squeeze past a bike either.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I can't understand why it isn't law to have some form of insurance too."

More would have insurance if it wasn't so stupidly expensive. If I want to insure my two bikes against accident and public liability, it will cost me about £450 a year. More than twice as much as I pay to insure 2 cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't understand why it isn't law to have some form of insurance too.

My public liability insurance (£10million) and legal protection costs just £32 a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some peole are selfish inconsiderate dicks. Be they on a bike, driving a car, walking or even sat on a bus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What always amazes me are the cyclists with all the kit - that still don't wear a cycling helmet! "

Should be made law, i get wound up over the amount of money spent on cyclist lanes etc especially here in London. Does anyone know what fund pays for this? I think cyclist should pay some sort of road tax.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past.

really... if you wouldn't overtake a car in the same place you shouldn't try and squeeze past a bike either."

Rubbish. I work at a race track a couple of miles from the top of Wrotham Hill in Kent on the A20 & they regularly have push bike races along that A20 & it's a right pain in the arse when they are 4 & 5 abreast making it hard to overtake, with them doing 30-35mph in a bloody 50mph zone. Then towards the top of Wrotham Hill it goes to 60 mph. Course people are going to overtake. Even though we've paid for our MOT, tax & insurance, they think they have more rights to the road because they are in a race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't understand why it isn't law to have some form of insurance too.

As a member of British cycling you get 5 million pounds of insurance and that's 38 quid and that includes your membership to British cycling so it is very reasonable

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try living in cycle city ie Cambridge!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You get the idiots everywhere, down here on the south coast we even have the club of cyclists riding 3/4 a breast blocking cars from coming past.

Is your journey more important then theirs ?

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By *itten-xxxWoman
over a year ago

North West

Their a pain in the neck. Bradley Wiggins lives close to me and I've nearly knocked him off his bike a few times he nearly rides in the middle of the road. Some poor women knocked him off his bike and the press ripped her to shreds. Glad it wasn't me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a club rider no it is not, but when I ride in a group and I notice a car can't get past us I mention it to the riders to let it past. Bit of consideration goes along way, what annoyed me about the incident is the club has a website that states when group riding no riding more than 2 a breast as it blocks cars from overtaking.

As for the helmet thing I am guilty of not wearing one now and then, riding to work on cycle paths I tend not to use one, going out for a trainibg ride I do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Their a pain in the neck. Bradley Wiggins lives close to me and I've nearly knocked him off his bike a few times he nearly rides in the middle of the road. Some poor women knocked him off his bike and the press ripped her to shreds. Glad it wasn't me!"

That may say more about your driving that you've nearly hit him a few times. Maybe you need a refresher course.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You ride towards the middle of the road to avoid potholes and manhole covers in tbe edge of the roads, also it makes you more visable to other roads users.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That may say more about your driving that you've nearly hit him a few times. Maybe you need a refresher course. "

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"What always amazes me are the cyclists with all the kit - that still don't wear a cycling helmet! "

Because helmets are of extremely limited use & people can make up their own minds.

UK helmets are rated to 75 joules or around 12mph from vertical, given that a 75kg rider at 12mph will impart around 100 joules and a 10'000kg car at 30mph a hell of a lot more then you can see why some decide not to bother.

Basically, cycle helmets are good for preventing cuts and bruises when you take a low speed tumble, they are useless - and were never designed for - against a vehicle impact at regular road speeds.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

That may say more about your driving that you've nearly hit him a few times. Maybe you need a refresher course. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So true but the rant us so often at cyclists.

I (make half) almost gift taken out by a driver at the weekend as he wanted to change lane where I was so just did. I asked him do I not matter then and he said no mate. I said to the point you might kill me he said yes suppose so.......

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

How many times?

DoT advice is for cyclists to ride centrally on narrow lanes, This is called the Primary Position & is taught by Govt approved & Local Authority delivered bikeability training schemes.

Roads are funded via Council Tax, 'road tax' doesn't exist & hasn't done since 1937.

VED is a tax on emissions, there are over 2 million vehicles on UK roads that legally are VED-free.

VED (after costs) covers about 2.4% of the total highways bill, it doesn't even cover the wider health costs caused by our love affair with the internal combustion engine - in fact wider society subsidises private car use when you factor in health care/emergency services etc.

Cyclists have a Statutory Right to the roads along with horses and pedestrians under the Road Traffic Act 1888 & The Vienna Convention on Road Access 1968 - an International Treaty that the UK is signatory to.

All other vehicles are merely licensed & therefore only privileged to use the roads and that can be rescinded at any time.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

ah, the old 'cyclists should pay road tax' chestnut... sigh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How many times?

DoT advice is for cyclists to ride centrally on narrow lanes, This is called the Primary Position & is taught by Govt approved & Local Authority delivered bikeability training schemes.

Roads are funded via Council Tax, 'road tax' doesn't exist & hasn't done since 1937.

VED is a tax on emissions, there are over 2 million vehicles on UK roads that legally are VED-free.

All other vehicles are merely licensed & therefore only privileged to use the roads and that can be rescinded at any time."

You have saved on your desktop to copy and paste weekly?

Ah interesting thing I learned recently is that it's thought the average cost to the NHS of a regular cyclist without a lid is less than someone who doesn't cycle. Which is one reason there are a few people campaigning against making it law.

Personally, I'll wear a lid. I've had them help me out more than once, I more several others who have too.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"How many times?

DoT advice is for cyclists to ride centrally on narrow lanes, This is called the Primary Position & is taught by Govt approved & Local Authority delivered bikeability training schemes.

Roads are funded via Council Tax, 'road tax' doesn't exist & hasn't done since 1937.

VED is a tax on emissions, there are over 2 million vehicles on UK roads that legally are VED-free.

All other vehicles are merely licensed & therefore only privileged to use the roads and that can be rescinded at any time.

You have saved on your desktop to copy and paste weekly?

Personally, I'll wear a lid. I've had them help me out more than once, I more several others who have too. "

It certainly feels like it, know it off by heart now unfortunately, for whenever the idiots trot out the unthinking bigotry.

I actually do wear helmets, I'm just under no illusions as to their efficacy in a vehicle collision.

Those non cyclists who keep dribbling on about them should understand that 51% of ALL UK head injury fatalities occur inside motor vehicles, should we campaign for compulsory car helmets?

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I too ALWAYS wear a helmet when I ride...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been cycling long enough to remember when the original hardshell helmets by specialised with a lycra cover caused much hilarity. I'm also old enough to remember when no cyclist wore a helmet and very, very few died of head injuries so am slightly cynical as to the anecdotal 'saved my life' stories. There;s also statistical evidence that in Australia the rate of head injuries did not reduce when helmet use became compulsory and conversely plenty of countries with low helmet use where head injuries are not a common issue.

I wear a helmet, but I am under no illusion of the liklihood of it ever really saving me. But if/when I'm knocked off I don't want to get in to a contributory negligence argument.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

In my years of cycle racing, this debate about helmet wearing comes up all the time. Apparently the stats referred to by those who really have the power, show that wearing a piece of hard polystyrene shell on your bonce can actually cause more damage than not wearing one.. as many motorists want to assert their right (!) to drive at whatever the max speed limit happens to be on the particular bit of tarmac they happen to be travelling on (as displayed by people above who have posted)then being hit by a car moving at 30mph plus, a helmet is not going to save you.. also another fact, psychologically, motorists who see a cyclist without a helmet will give them more room, unlike one who is wearing a helmet, they are more likely to drive closer, assuming that they are protected! Similar to driving past horses: horse and rider are unpredictable, therefore give them more space. A cyclist can swerve to miss a pothole, but do you think about that, and give them more space? Probably not; a horse is bigger than a cyclist in the pecking order, and potentially do more damage to your car. Simple psychology.

At the moment, as far as I know, there is still no statistical proof that helmets save lives, therefore not compulsory. Add to that, that if they did make it a law, then it would put a lot of people off riding, which is not a good thing.

Don't necessarily assume you are safer (or cyclist is safer) by wearing a helmet, as it's not always the case.

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By *ubicinchMan
over a year ago

Gwynedd

A lawyer can't accuse you of neglegence, if it's not a compulsory law to wear one?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Haven't read post just wanted to say welcome back to the op after his long long break xxx"

Good to see a familier face is still around xxxx

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By *etitesaraTV/TS
over a year ago

rochdale

"A lawyer can't accuse you of neglegence, if it's not a compulsory law to wear one?"

It can be inferred though, and in a jury case that could tip the balance.

Recently we have seen a jury directed to disregard the Highway Code's injunction about driving into glaring sun & not driving too fast to be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear. It doesn't take a great leap to foretell a dangerous driver getting off a conviction because the cyclist he failed to see/to give consideration to wasn't wearing a helmet.

The earlier comments from ordinary members of the public show how ingrained that attitude is

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