FabSwingers.com forum: McCann damages trial

By *ondering_yorkshireman OP Man
over a year ago

Somewhere near NE Derbyshire/S Yorkshire/Nottinghamshire border

Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What book should be thrown at them , what law have they broken ?

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By *ondering_yorkshireman OP Man
over a year ago

Somewhere near NE Derbyshire/S Yorkshire/Nottinghamshire border

Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation."

There may have been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Still number 1 suspects by Leicestershire police

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation."
Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being to mean or stupid to get a babysitter.They are professional people

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Iffy, I stopped reading about the whole sad affair agesago. They do what they do.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If someone like 'White' Dee had left her kids to go on the piss, I am pretty sure the law and the public would have reacted differently than the sympathy the McCanns attract

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If someone like 'White' Dee had left her kids to go on the piss, I am pretty sure the law and the public would have reacted differently than the sympathy the McCanns attract"

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

I find it totally bizarre the attention and support from some major players, they seem well connected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats why social servies are not involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If someone like 'White' Dee had left her kids to go on the piss, I am pretty sure the law and the public would have reacted differently than the sympathy the McCanns attract"

She has been accused of poisoning Madellaine with sleeping tablets.

They have both been accused of murdering her by numerous people and publications.

The public have called for their other children to be taken from them.

The public and some publications have asked the question if they should be charged with neglect.

This is hardly sympathetic.

If they had broken any laws I'm sure they would have been charged by now.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Connected and protected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats why social servies are not involved"

Who's says they haven't been involved or are not presently involved ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Thats why social servies are not involved

Who's says they haven't been involved or are not presently involved ?"

Is it a secret?

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By *ocktail18Woman
over a year ago

Milton Keynes

"Connected and protected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thats why social servies are not involved

Who's says they haven't been involved or are not presently involved ?

Is it a secret?"

I would hope so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Connected and protected.

Were the protection people having a night off when Madellaine went missing ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation. Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ? "

Do you apply the same attitude to people who kill other people in car accidents who end up in jail?

That was a mistake and they live with the fact they killed someone....maybe they shouldn't be prosecuted going by your statement?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ? "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!"

People keep using this as an argument. However, there is no evidence that anyone who was working class would have been arrested and charged.

Furthermore, they have been found guilty of nothing! In the eyes of the law they have committed no crime.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you apply the same attitude to people who kill other people in car accidents who end up in jail?

That was a mistake and they live with the fact they killed someone....maybe they shouldn't be prosecuted going by your statement?"
Can't remember saying that !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should have been charged with child neglect if nothing else. Who in there right mind goes on holiday and thinks it's OK to leave three children alone whilst they go out to dinner! I know they said they checked every 20 mins but kids could have got up to all sorts in that time. Just feel for the kids, parents in my eyes don't deserve any. If they hadn't left her, she'd still be with them, easy as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

What the person below said. I watched an interview with the mother. She described going back to check on the kids, noticing a curtain blowing into the room, said they hadnt left a window open.. . Then she returned to the bar where her husband and friends were. Without even going into the room to properly check on the kids. Too much doesnt add up for this little girl to sstill be alive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation."

I have no view on the McCanns' liability with regard to Madeleine. There is no conclusive public evidence. However, they most certainly have not left their other children 'unattended' on this occasion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I agree with this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I'm sorry but leaving your kids alone is not a mistake, the complex they was in did a babysitting service and they chose not to use in, instead to leave their kids alone, that was a deliberate choice not a mistake "
True . And like I said . Something they will have to live with for the rest of there lifes. Must be lovely to have never have done something you regret !!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"They should have been charged with child neglect if nothing else. Who in there right mind goes on holiday and thinks it's OK to leave three children alone whilst they go out to dinner! I know they said they checked every 20 mins but kids could have got up to all sorts in that time. Just feel for the kids, parents in my eyes don't deserve any. If they hadn't left her, she'd still be with them, easy as that."

Parents always did when I was a kid. It was very common.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It used to be common practice in this country to go on holiday and leave your kids while the parents went on the piss. Butlins, pontins and other holiday camps used to just employ someone to walk around listening for crying and the chalet number would be displayed in the bar.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

would assume as usual that none of the ones damning them for making a mistake as parents have ever or will ever make a mistake themselves..

on the legal case its the 4th or 5th time the guy who they allege has libelled them has at the last minute caused the trial to not go ahead, not the way of a person confident of what they wrote in a book perhaps..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I'm sorry but leaving your kids alone is not a mistake, the complex they was in did a babysitting service and they chose not to use in, instead to leave their kids alone, that was a deliberate choice not a mistake True . And like I said . Something they will have to live with for the rest of there lifes. Must be lovely to have never have done something you regret !!!"

ok don't get arsey I'm only passing comment not having a personal dig at you

we all do things we regret, I have many but I can put my hand on my heart and say I have never left my children alone while I have gone out, I married the wrong guy I regret that, I upsticked and moved to the other side of the country leaving behind all my friends and family I regret that, but in my eyes no decent parent goes out and leave kids alone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you apply the same attitude to people who kill other people in car accidents who end up in jail?

That was a mistake and they live with the fact they killed someone....maybe they shouldn't be prosecuted going by your statement?"
when did I say this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"would assume as usual that none of the ones damning them for making a mistake as parents have ever or will ever make a mistake themselves..

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I'm sorry but leaving your kids alone is not a mistake, the complex they was in did a babysitting service and they chose not to use in, instead to leave their kids alone, that was a deliberate choice not a mistake True . And like I said . Something they will have to live with for the rest of there lifes. Must be lovely to have never have done something you regret !!!

ok don't get arsey I'm only passing comment not having a personal dig at you

Mine must have been piss poor then. It's a wonder how I survived childhood.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Do you apply the same attitude to people who kill other people in car accidents who end up in jail?

That was a mistake and they live with the fact they killed someone....maybe they shouldn't be prosecuted going by your statement? Can't remember saying that !!!"

I was extrapolating on your statement. The McCann's shouldn't be investigated by social services because they have to live with the fact that their actions caused their child to go missing....ergo any person whose actions cause devastating effects on others should not be punished because they have to live with what they have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kids don't ask to come into this world and as a parent you have a duty to protect them as much as you can. Leaving them alone is a no-no in my eyes.

I accept years ago it was done, but it's not right nowadays. If you go on a family holiday it should be just that, the whole family spending time together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I'm sorry but leaving your kids alone is not a mistake, the complex they was in did a babysitting service and they chose not to use in, instead to leave their kids alone, that was a deliberate choice not a mistake True . And like I said . Something they will have to live with for the rest of there lifes. Must be lovely to have never have done something you regret !!!

ok don't get arsey I'm only passing comment not having a personal dig at you

Mine must have been piss poor then. It's a wonder how I survived childhood. "
And mine too .

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wasn't the only time they left the poor children alone while they went out to enjoy themselves. On at least one previous night they ate at a restaurant called chaplins, which is situated further down the road past the church & near the seafront. Several minutes walk from the Warner holidays complex.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Just because it was the done thing back in the good old days doesn't make it right though does it? Just because your parents got lucky and nothing happened to you doesn't make it right.

There are lots of things that were done back then that aren't acceptable now.

I cant recall a family holiday where we were ever left on our own and I couldn't imagine leaving my niece or nephew alone when we go on holiday later in the year.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

Well said, couldn't agree more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Weren't they chief suspects by the Portuguese police until they were ridiculed by our media??

Something definitely fishy went down there and to be honest it doesn't feel right.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

This is a case I cannot forget. I read every scrap of news and watch every report.

I'm still non the wiser. There has been so much evidence painting such a variety of scenarios.

Every time I hear her name I want her found alive and well.

I agree with NYMPHO that it wasn't a mistake. It was a grave error of judgement but it was a judgement made in the belief that Madelaine would sleep soundly , unharmed through the night.

I agree with POLK that not so long ago it was common practice in holiday camps to just have one or two STRANGERS walking around the entire camp to listen for criers.. Come to think of it you don't hear much crying if a child falls and dies or is abducted but it was acceptable at the time.

The arguments I can't agree with and which are cringeworthy are the CLASS BASED ones. The ones that come from people without evidence who obviously see themselves as working class and victims of society.

How does turning the case into class war help anyone ?

Find me a name of a working class person found guilty of a crime and i'll match it with a toff or just someone from the pathetic bourgeoise.

Next you'll be telling me that Shipman got a medal for Snuffling old dears to death.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

That's true to an extent but couldn't I equally argue that if their weren't any abductors in the world they would still have their daughter with them ?

Very many children go missing under the watchful eyes of doting parents e.g in park , on hols on way home from school etc .....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial. "

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect. "

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its all fixed and we aall know it.. they hired someone to kidnap her and they know where the safe house is.. they want to get the McCann name out there so they will be world famous.. to easy to sus that lol.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

That's true to an extent but couldn't I equally argue that if their weren't any abductors in the world they would still have their daughter with them ?

Very many children go missing under the watchful eyes of doting parents e.g in park , on hols on way home from school etc ..... "

Before the grammar police leave a slime trail I do know the diff between their and there so save your finger tips

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

im only going to read about it if and when they find maddie ...dead or alive

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Its all fixed and we aall know it.. they hired someone to kidnap her and they know where the safe house is.. they want to get the McCann name out there so they will be world famous.. to easy to sus that lol."

If only you'd have posted first.....

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?"

If they hadn't have left their children alone the book would not have been written and they wouldn't have had to bring a court case against the author and they wouldn't have to leave their children to go to Portugal to go to court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts entirely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"im only going to read about it if and when they find maddie ...dead or alive"

I don't think they will ever find her, she was so young when she went missing and its been a long time now, they could walk past her in the street and wouldn't recognise her, what they going to do DNA test every girl of her age till they find her?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only you'd have posted first....."
Thanks as I know what I am talking about lol.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

They're chips are nice

sorry

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world "

What if there were no child abductors???

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"They're chips are nice

sorry

You're not really sorry are you ?

My turn to be a pedant ... ( for a change

)

McCain make Chips ...... McCain

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world "

But there are and the job of a parent is to protect your children against the bad people in this world to the best of your ability....do you think they fulfilled that part of the job description?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

What if there were no child abductors???"

I said that too ..... good thinking batman.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

But there are and the job of a parent is to protect your children against the bad people in this world to the best of your ability....do you think they fulfilled that part of the job description?"

Not to my standard or yours but to theirs yes.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

What if there were no child abductors???

I said that too ..... good thinking batman. "

What if she wasn't abducted??

There seems to be more evidence against them than for

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

What if there were no child abductors???

I said that too ..... good thinking batman.

What if she wasn't abducted??

There seems to be more evidence against them than for "

Sadly I agree.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

But there are and the job of a parent is to protect your children against the bad people in this world to the best of your ability....do you think they fulfilled that part of the job description?

Not to my standard or yours but to theirs yes.

Thats OK then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial.

But they bought the libel case and that onlyg came about after a book written about the fact that a child they left alone went missing.

Cause and effect.

What do you mean by cause and effect in this context ?

I get you now. I agree but i'd start with ... If there were no child abductors in the world

But there are and the job of a parent is to protect your children against the bad people in this world to the best of your ability....do you think they fulfilled that part of the job description?

Not to my standard or yours but to theirs yes.

Thats OK then"

there is not book on being a parent, we all do the best we can, sometimes our best will be good enough, sometimes it wont, I dare say all of us with kids will have done things in our time that we see as ok but others will look down their noses at

I do not agree with people leaving kids alone but there are many people who see no harm in it, all you can do is the best for your own you cant look after everyone elses child

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What if she wasn't abducted??

There seems to be more evidence against them than for "

Sadly I agree

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

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over a year ago

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ? "

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?"

Does the age make that much difference?

I know Maddie shouldn't have been left alone but as we all seem to know that t there are nasty people out there ......Should two ten year olds been allowed to go for a walk ? And .... ( im only saying this due to the blame heaped on the McCanns.... ) do we blame the parents ?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"They're chips are nice

sorry

You're not really sorry are you ?

My turn to be a pedant ... ( for a change

)

McCain make Chips ...... McCain"
. Your talking about potatoe chips

i mean stone chips. Easy mistake, no worries

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Forgot to say ....... Yes she was 3 and she was tucked up in bed.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?

Does the age make that much difference?

hate to live in a world where children can't walk freely.

Try to live that way too.

Hate to live in a society induced with fear

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"They're chips are nice

sorry

You're not really sorry are you ?

My turn to be a pedant ... ( for a change

)

McCain make Chips ...... McCain . Your talking about potatoe chips

i mean stone chips. Easy mistake, no worries

Course you did

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Forgot to say ....... Yes she was 3 and she was tucked up in bed."

Read reports she was a difficult child and was screaming the nights before

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?

Does the age make that much difference?

hate to live in a world where children can't walk freely.

Try to live that way too.

Hate to live in a society induced with fear"

Yep.

Hate to live in a world where they can't sleep safe at night too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Indeed they shouldn't have left their children unattended and some may say they should have been charged with abandonment/neglect, but the parents are being punished already for their decision every day for the rest of their lives.

This reminds me of the Lindy Chamberlain case in Australia in 1981 (the dingo taking the baby from a campsite near Ayers Rock). The case divided Australians, whom couldn't believe a dingo could take a baby. Lindy was eventually convicted of murder and spent 3 years in prison until further evidence was discovered that supported her version of events.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I remember that case.

Maybe we should all be punished for camping.

NO! sleeping while camping....

Come to think of it.... I went to sleep EVERY night of my life while my children were toddlers.

If someone broke in and took my children and I never heard them .....should I be punished ?

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over a year ago

"I remember that case.

Maybe we should all be punished for camping.

NO! sleeping while camping....

Come to think of it.... I went to sleep EVERY night of my life while my children were toddlers.

If someone broke in and took my children and I never heard them .....should I be punished ?"

that's a bit different to going out and leaving them

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I was still selfish and slept tho ....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I should be punished.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'm amazed at how many people blame the McCanns.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I remember that case.

Maybe we should all be punished for camping.

NO! sleeping while camping....

Come to think of it.... I went to sleep EVERY night of my life while my children were toddlers.

If someone broke in and took my children and I never heard them .....should I be punished ?"

Plenty of cases like this.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?

Does the age make that much difference?

hate to live in a world where children can't walk freely.

Try to live that way too.

Hate to live in a society induced with fear

Yep.

Hate to live in a world where they can't sleep safe at night too."

Should we blame Jamie Bulgers mother for letting him stray outside the shop she was in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just out of interest and for comparison......

Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went out walking ... both abused and murdered.

Blame the parents ? Or Huntley the abductor ?

hum

they was 10 though wasn't they? many kids that age go out with their mates, wasn't Madeline only 3?

Does the age make that much difference?

hate to live in a world where children can't walk freely.

Try to live that way too.

Hate to live in a society induced with fear

Yep.

Hate to live in a world where they can't sleep safe at night too.

Should we blame Jamie Bulgers mother for letting him stray outside the shop she was in?"

We can't go around blaming working class parents, we have to look after our own.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

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Yes it is true it was common place to leave your kids in the chalet at Butlins, whilst camp employees patrolled the site.

It was common place in the 60’s and 70’s. But this didn’t happen in the 1967… it happened in 2007 when it was NOT acceptable.

In 2007 people generally knew better than to leave a 3 year old child and two younger siblings alone so they could go out.

Fuck me, in 2007 you were warned about leaving your luggage unattended, never mind your kids.

They made a choice.

They knew the risks.

They thought they’d get away with it….. that’s assuming the other theories behind why just Madeline disappeared are not correct.

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over a year ago

What do people actually want ?

They made a massive error of judgement that they will spend there lifes regretting .

Will putting them in prison . Or maybe taking the other kids off them make them realise how stupid they were . I think they already know

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I'm amazed at how many people blame the McCanns. "
should read the case files then

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!"

i totaly agree if it happend in the UK they would have been done by now

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!

i totaly agree if it happend in the UK they would have been done by now "
no if it happened to anyone else

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Okay okay wood chips then it was

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Okay okay wood chips then it was

Nope. Mccann definitely make stone chips

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over a year ago

"Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!

i totaly agree if it happend in the UK they would have been done by now "

Why would they have, class has nothing to do with this....?!?!

The 'crime' is the disappearance of Maddie not the grave error of judgment made by the parents.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?"

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Just seen on sky the damages trial has been postponed due to the firing of the legal team of the former Portuguese detective.

It was the McCanns statement that got me angry as a parent. When they said to travel there they,

"had to make arrangements to have someone to look after their children"

Erm..... Hang on! Not doing that in the first place is what caused the poor young girl to go missing.

Why they not had the book thrown at them is beyond me as it would happen to any working class family but seems not them!

i totaly agree if it happend in the UK they would have been done by now "

Sorry, this is incorrect.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"What do people actually want ?

They made a massive error of judgement that they will spend there lifes regretting .

Will putting them in prison . Or maybe taking the other kids off them make them realise how stupid they were . I think they already know "

I hear the sound of sisal being knotted.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes."

It isn't irrelevant.

It's just the question it reads as.

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over a year ago

"What do people actually want ?

They made a massive error of judgement that they will spend there lifes regretting .

Will putting them in prison . Or maybe taking the other kids off them make them realise how stupid they were . I think they already know

I hear the sound of sisal being knotted. "

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

I have little sympathy for the parents but massive sympathy for their other children and Maddie. If they had been more responsible their daughter would still be with them. If they had left her unattended in the uk they may well have been prosecuted. Maybe Portuguese law is different. The police would probably have been slaughtered if they had have had the ability to prosecute them and had done so. The indisputable fact is that had they not left her alone Maddie would have come to no harm, unless the parents were indeed responsible.

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over a year ago

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes."
So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I have little sympathy for the parents but massive sympathy for their other children and Maddie. If they had been more responsible their daughter would still be with them. If they had left her unattended in the uk they may well have been prosecuted. Maybe Portuguese law is different. The police would probably have been slaughtered if they had have had the ability to prosecute them and had done so. The indisputable fact is that had they not left her alone Maddie would have come to no harm, unless the parents were indeed responsible. "

So you think she was taken and not murdered by her parents ?

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?"

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

It is irrelevant because strapped up in your own car you have reason to assume you are the only key holder in the immediate vicinity…. this is not an assumption safe to make about a holiday apartment.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

What they did was wrong, neglect in the highest order. Out, not in clear view of the apartment was totaly unforgivable they deserve the pain...

But the real victim in all this was a poor defenceless little girl..

its not about Class or social status its all about right & wrong..

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

if i may ask a question (and its only a question & not finger pointing)

why, when there was more than one child left in the room that night, was only that one taken? you would have thought that if it was an abduction, then all the children would have been taken

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if i may ask a question (and its only a question & not finger pointing)

why, when there was more than one child left in the room that night, was only that one taken? you would have thought that if it was an abduction, then all the children would have been taken"
probably because its easier to take 1then 3

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"What do people actually want ?

They made a massive error of judgement that they will spend there lifes regretting .

Will putting them in prison . Or maybe taking the other kids off them make them realise how stupid they were . I think they already know "

I'm surprised you can't work it out.

People, generally, feel dissatisfied when what is perceived as injustice stares them in the face.

It doesn't matter what the tabloids say.

It doesn't matter if other people agree with them in threads like this.

It remains an injustice in the eyes of many people until the law or an official body find the parents at fault.

Seeing justice does not mean they need to be hung and stoned.

It does not mean they need to be imprisoned or have their other kids taken away.

It just means removing the injustice.

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over a year ago

"What they did was wrong, neglect in the highest order. Out, not in clear view of the apartment was totaly unforgivable they deserve the pain...

But the real victim in all this was a poor defenceless little girl..

its not about Class or social status its all about right & wrong.."

Is that what you really think, that they deserve the pain ?

And others that say they have no sympathy with the parents , how heartless is that ?

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"What they did was wrong, neglect in the highest order. Out, not in clear view of the apartment was totaly unforgivable they deserve the pain...

But the real victim in all this was a poor defenceless little girl..

its not about Class or social status its all about right & wrong..

Is that what you really think, that they deserve the pain ?

And others that say they have no sympathy with the parents , how heartless is that ? "

yeah you bet...

im a dad to 3 boys. my life is keeping my boys safe and secure, anything happens to them that can be my fault then i have failed in my duty as a dad. they failed in being the things they should have been..

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

They are not on trial. "

I know they are not.

They are defending themselves as they say the book isn't telling the truth.

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over a year ago

"What do people actually want ?

They made a massive error of judgement that they will spend there lifes regretting .

Will putting them in prison . Or maybe taking the other kids off them make them realise how stupid they were . I think they already know

I'm surprised you can't work it out.

People, generally, feel dissatisfied when what is perceived as injustice stares them in the face.

It doesn't matter what the tabloids say.

It doesn't matter if other people agree with them in threads like this.

It remains an injustice in the eyes of many people until the law or an official body find the parents at fault.

Seeing justice does not mean they need to be hung and stoned.

It does not mean they need to be imprisoned or have their other kids taken away.

It just means removing the injustice."
Then everything will be all ok ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor."

The list of what ifs and if onlys is endless I agree BUT

If I leave three kids in a car to nip into the bank and when I come back one of them is missing am I to blame ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

That's true to an extent but couldn't I equally argue that if their weren't any abductors in the world they would still have their daughter with them ?

But if they were being looked after by their parents , espeically after knowing that their children woke the night before crying for them ( their own words as to what Maddy told them that morning ) then an abductor ( if there is one ) would not be able to have taken her.

It could go on and on saying "if" but that fact remains, they left their children alone and they now have to live with it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor.

The list of what ifs and if onlys is endless I agree BUT

If I leave three kids in a car to nip into the bank and when I come back one of them is missing am I to blame ?"

Could another adult have stayed in the car?

Did you lock the car?

Was the car in clear view of people you knew?

Was the car in a quiet car park out of public view at the back of the branch?

Did the bank have a glass front?

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over a year ago

"What they did was wrong, neglect in the highest order. Out, not in clear view of the apartment was totaly unforgivable they deserve the pain...

But the real victim in all this was a poor defenceless little girl..

its not about Class or social status its all about right & wrong..

Is that what you really think, that they deserve the pain ?

And others that say they have no sympathy with the parents , how heartless is that ?

yeah you bet...

So anyone who doesn't come up to your standard of parenting deserves to have their children abducted ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember that case.

Maybe we should all be punished for camping.

NO! sleeping while camping....

Come to think of it.... I went to sleep EVERY night of my life while my children were toddlers.

If someone broke in and took my children and I never heard them .....should I be punished ?"
broke in ? I read they left the door open

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If they hadn't left their child to go eat they wouldn't be having to leave their children now to go defend themselves.

That's true to an extent but couldn't I equally argue that if their weren't any abductors in the world they would still have their daughter with them ?

It could go on and on saying "if" but that fact remains, they left their children alone and they now have to live with it."

It's a fact they left their children alone. No one can argue with that.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I remember that case.

Maybe we should all be punished for camping.

NO! sleeping while camping....

Come to think of it.... I went to sleep EVERY night of my life while my children were toddlers.

If someone broke in and took my children and I never heard them .....should I be punished ? broke in ? I read they left the door open "

the clue is in 'if I' and in 'my children'

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor.

The list of what ifs and if onlys is endless I agree BUT

If I leave three kids in a car to nip into the bank and when I come back one of them is missing am I to blame ?

Could another adult have stayed in the car?

Did you lock the car?

Was the car in clear view of people you knew?

Was the car in a quiet car park out of public view at the back of the branch?

Did the bank have a glass front?

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I am not sure if you are asking those questions to provoke more debate or to be silly Granny as none of the questions mirror what happened to the little girl.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"if i may ask a question (and its only a question & not finger pointing)

anyone else like to add a theory?

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?"

I would say yes, who leaves their child in a cat while they run anywhere? My car went up in flames not long ago while I was driving it so anything can happen

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I am not sure if you are asking those questions to provoke more debate or to be silly Granny as none of the questions mirror what happened to the little girl.

I asked them as I said. For comparison. For an idea of how we decide fault or guilt.

I never said or even implied that the questions related to Maddie's case.

They are similar situations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I blame tony Blair

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor.

The list of what ifs and if onlys is endless I agree BUT

If I leave three kids in a car to nip into the bank and when I come back one of them is missing am I to blame ?

Could another adult have stayed in the car?

Did you lock the car?

Was the car in clear view of people you knew?

Was the car in a quiet car park out of public view at the back of the branch?

Did the bank have a glass front?

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?"

Is the bank in Praia da Luz?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?

I would say yes, who leaves their child in a cat while they run anywhere? My car went up in flames not long ago while I was driving it so anything can happen"

I'd agree. So many do tho and funnily enough no one pillories the parents.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If I have sleeping children in my car and nip into the bank for a few minutes and something horrible happens to the kids is this my fault ?

Irrelevant. They didn't leave them in a car, they didn't nip out for a few minutes. So its not the fact they left her . Its how long they left her ?

It's irrelevant because it is not what happened.

Can you see the car.

How many other people are around.

The list of why it is irrelevant goes on.... not just the time factor.

The list of what ifs and if onlys is endless I agree BUT

If I leave three kids in a car to nip into the bank and when I come back one of them is missing am I to blame ?

Could another adult have stayed in the car?

Did you lock the car?

Was the car in clear view of people you knew?

Was the car in a quiet car park out of public view at the back of the branch?

Did the bank have a glass front?

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?

Is the bank in Praia da Luz?"

Look ..... it's not fucking fair to make laugh.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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....... to make ME laugh.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"....... to make ME laugh. "

All is fair in love and war and I lurrrrrrrrve you Granny

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

If I come back and one of the children is gone am I too blame ?

I would say yes, who leaves their child in a cat while they run anywhere? My car went up in flames not long ago while I was driving it so anything can happen

I'd agree. So many do tho and funnily enough no one pillories the parents."

How do you know that?

And lol at Polo and your post

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leo-moulsdale-car-thief-drives-1553752

I can't possibly know if someone calls them fit to burn but the press generally report favourably .. and there doesn't seem to be a huge public outcry.

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By *ondering_yorkshireman OP Man
over a year ago

Somewhere near NE Derbyshire/S Yorkshire/Nottinghamshire border

I may have been a little out of order in my OP in regards to 'class'. So apologies over that.

Ultimately a little girl is missing due to the actions of her parents.

Things that may have been acceptable in the past are not so now, but this is how we have changed over time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

it was said she gave them all sleeping tablets so they could go out and let the kids sleep however madeline was given too much and died. The mum also had the dead body smell on her clothes which the dogs instantly was alerted to and her story was that as her job she was in regular contact with bodies just before the holiday . However a check was done and she hadn't been near one in weeks before.

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/leo-moulsdale-car-thief-drives-1553752

I can't possibly know if someone calls them fit to burn but the press generally report favourably .. and there doesn't seem to be a huge public outcry."

Stupid sods...there wouldn't have been an outcry on here as no one would ever admit to reading a paper

To be fair though, if there wasn't a an outcry it was probably because the baby was safe,

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over a year ago

"There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs. "

Hmmmm. A "smell" detected by a forensic examiner? That really does not sound very forensic to me. Unless we are talking nineteenth century forensics.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Good point ....

Maybe if they had interrupted the 'abductor' or Maddie had been found quickly ..... the McCanns wouldn't have suffered all the bad press that they do ......

and yet....

they performed PRECISELY the actions that people are blaming them for.

Very interesting point Rugby.

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over a year ago

"Leaving their kids unattended, surely there's got to be a social services investigation.

Its a mistake that they will live with for the rest of there lifes . Do you not think that is enough punishment ?

I agree with this.

Totally agree

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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There were eight children in the party I think.....

how old were the other children ?

Anyone know ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Good point ....

Maybe if they had interrupted the 'abductor' or Maddie had been found quickly ..... the McCanns wouldn't have suffered all the bad press that they do ......

and yet....

they performed PRECISELY the actions that people are blaming them for.

Very interesting point Rugby.

What do you mean bad press???

The press has been on their side from day one.

who was their pr guy?

Wasn't that the first call they made when they "found" Maddie missing.

Even the dogs found evidence and nothing was done about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs. "

That she gave sleeping tablets to her children is not true or a fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Good point ....

Maybe if they had interrupted the 'abductor' or Maddie had been found quickly ..... the McCanns wouldn't have suffered all the bad press that they do ......

and yet....

they performed PRECISELY the actions that people are blaming them for.

Very interesting point Rugby.

What do you mean bad press???

The press has been on their side from day one.

who was their pr guy?

Wasn't that the first call they made when they "found" Maddie missing.

Even the dogs found evidence and nothing was done about it.

The 'good' press surely was in the best interest of Maddie at the time of her disappearance....

The last thing the family needed was trial by tabloid...!!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Good point ....

Maybe if they had interrupted the 'abductor' or Maddie had been found quickly ..... the McCanns wouldn't have suffered all the bad press that they do ......

and yet....

they performed PRECISELY the actions that people are blaming them for.

Very interesting point Rugby.

What do you mean bad press???

The press has been on their side from day one.

who was their pr guy?

Wasn't that the first call they made when they "found" Maddie missing.

Even the dogs found evidence and nothing was done about it.

I mean all the bad press they got and get.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs.

That she gave sleeping tablets to her children is not true or a fact. "

And you know how????

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Good point ....

Maybe if they had interrupted the 'abductor' or Maddie had been found quickly ..... the McCanns wouldn't have suffered all the bad press that they do ......

and yet....

they performed PRECISELY the actions that people are blaming them for.

Very interesting point Rugby.

What do you mean bad press???

The press has been on their side from day one.

who was their pr guy?

Wasn't that the first call they made when they "found" Maddie missing.

Even the dogs found evidence and nothing was done about it.

I mean all the bad press they got and get."

No its only people making reasonal judgements on the evidence available.

The press kowtow to the mccans

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs. "

Can you point us in the direction of the well constructed story with the forensic examiners name and the evidence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who was their pr guy?

Wasn't that the first call they made when they "found" Maddie missing.

No.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is a well constructed story put together by a forensic examiner this story has alot of points that are all true facts

the parents wouldnt let the police drug test the children

The parents also agreed to do a lie detector test but never did

There was dead body smell in the boot of the car what the dogs found and the parents blamed it on a fishing trip but fish and mammals give off a different aroma to dogs.

That she gave sleeping tablets to her children is not true or a fact.

And you know how????"

I don't.

Nor does anyone else apart from the McCanns. So you can't say it's true or a fact until it's proven and it hasn't been yet.

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I do love reading these threads where people obviously know all the facts, as if they were privilege to the case notes, and not just read about it in the media and Web

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact. "

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

If I go for a wee and to watch telly ( and I am ) and someone sneaks in and takes my hobnobs from by the comp. Is it my fault for not looking after my hobnobs ?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I do love reading these threads where people obviously know all the facts, as if they were privilege to the case notes, and not just read about it in the media and Web

everyone's an expert!

there's only one response on here that bears any knowable truth and that's the one that says if these two were Dee White they would have been treated far, far differently.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I do love reading these threads where people obviously know all the facts, as if they were privilege to the case notes, and not just read about it in the media and Web

everyone's an expert!

there's only one response on here that bears any knowable truth and that's the one that says if these two were Dee White they would have been treated far, far differently."

"white" Dee that should be

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"I do love reading these threads where people obviously know all the facts, as if they were privilege to the case notes, and not just read about it in the media and Web

everyone's an expert!

there's only one response on here that bears any knowable truth and that's the one that says if these two were Dee White they would have been treated far, far differently."

Exactly and people are blindsided with the media spin they can put on anything

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over a year ago

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?"

That there is no child where one should be.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be. "

So a child is missing. Where's the evidence of abduction?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be. "

I thought that but then she could have wandered off. That's not abduction.

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over a year ago

"If I go for a wee and to watch telly ( and I am ) and someone sneaks in and takes my hobnobs from by the comp. Is it my fault for not looking after my hobnobs ?"
Should never leave your hobnobs unattended . Thats so wrong . Hobnobs are made for sharing

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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"[Removed by dontknow 16/06/14 19:90:sumfin]"

Don't know anyfin more like

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be. "

that isn't evidence of an abduction, it possible evidence of a lot of things and abduction is one of them.

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over a year ago

"I do love reading these threads where people obviously know all the facts, as if they were privilege to the case notes, and not just read about it in the media and Web

everyone's an expert!

there's only one response on here that bears any knowable truth and that's the one that says if these two were Dee White they would have been treated far, far differently.

Exactly and people are blindsided with the media spin they can put on anything"

The media will spin it what ever way they wish to sell their propaganda.

Next people will say that there was no moon landing, or can prove that there WAS a shooter on the grassy knoll

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

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*gone*

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

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Dee white teehee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think what bugs me about this whole sorry case is the patents are treated like victims themselves.

There is only one victim, and that is Maddie herself.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Dee white teehee

yea sorry

what can I say I'm daft

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be.

that isn't evidence of an abduction, it possible evidence of a lot of things and abduction is one of them."

So evidence then ?

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"This is a case I cannot forget. I read every scrap of news and watch every report.

I'm still non the wiser. There has been so much evidence painting such a variety of scenarios.

Every time I hear her name I want her found alive and well.

I agree with NYMPHO that it wasn't a mistake. It was a grave error of judgement but it was a judgement made in the belief that Madelaine would sleep soundly , unharmed through the night.

How does turning the case into class war help anyone ?

Find me a name of a working class person found guilty of a crime and i'll match it with a toff or just someone from the pathetic bourgeoise.

Next you'll be telling me that Shipman got a medal for Snuffling old dears to death.

Gerry Conlon (Guildford four) found guilty then quashed on appeal. I wonder how many of the 'bourgeoise' would have been jailed on the 'evidence' in his trial?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"True . And like I said . Something they will have to live with for the rest of there lifes. Must be lovely to have never have done something you regret !!!"

I don't really know or care about this case. But we could save a lot of money on courts and prisons if we just left it to feelings of guilt to punish people.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be.

that isn't evidence of an abduction, it possible evidence of a lot of things and abduction is one of them.

So evidence then ?"

possibly but abduction is not the only possible cause of a child not being there was what I meant.

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over a year ago

"If it was a 'true fact' that the mccanns gave madelaine an overdose.... they'd have been arrested.

As there isn't even a body ..... it can't be a proven fact.

Perfect crime, what evidence of an abduction is there?

That there is no child where one should be.

So a child is missing. Where's the evidence of abduction?"

Abduct: verb, to take away to an undisclosed location against their will.

I'm pretty sure that's what happened unless she was dead before they took her away, which is entirely possible as well.

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