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By *umour OP Couple
over a year ago

Rushden

Today in Northampton, there is a five year old girl with disfiguring injuries after a dog attack by the familys American Bulldog. Tanisha Hall will never be the same again, because she was in a room with a pet that the owners deemed safe! It was not safe and in my opinion should never have been anywhere near a child...

Today while shopping at the clearance warehouse in Corby, we saw a car pull in. On the back seat was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Not tied in at all and bouncing all over the back of the car. The people got out of the car and proceeded to get a pushchair out of the boot and then opened the back door and lifted out a baby, no more than a few weeks old.

Maybe it is just me, but to put a baby anywhere near a staffy, let alone in a moving car where owners have no control should be grounds for some kind of sanction. Anyone throw any light on why people do this? Why they put their kids lives at risk?

I don't care if it is a rare occurence, small kids and animals unsupervised is a definate NO!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have probably got the softest most placid dog ever,but we would never leave her alone with babies or small kids.

Some people just havnt got a clue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Today in Northampton, there is a five year old girl with disfiguring injuries after a dog attack by the familys American Bulldog. Tanisha Hall will never be the same again, because she was in a room with a pet that the owners deemed safe! It was not safe and in my opinion should never have been anywhere near a child...

I don't care if it is a rare occurence, small kids and animals unsupervised is a definate NO!"

quite agree with you there - i like dogs but would never have left my kids unsupervised, even with the "most harmless2 and "childfriendly" dog - situations change and animals an perceive a threat where there is not one and they can turn. It is not the animal's fault or responsibility - it is up to the dog owners and parents.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

Also a dog loose in a car is deadly in an accident, if you slam on the dog has no way of holding it self.

It's a dead weight being thrown about.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i hate seeing dogs left to run about in cars, i once saw one sat n the drivers lap!!

no matter how well trained the dog is they are still unpredictable at times

i would never leave a child alone with any dog

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By *istress-MazikeenWoman
over a year ago

bolton

I have an akita, and the old traditional story is that the japanese mothers would leave their children at home being looked after by the dog while they worked.

I know she is good with my grand kids, but would never leave her with them alone. To me it's plane common sense, any dog is from a wild dog originally, so has the temptation there to turn and attack.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We're dog lovers but realise you can get psycho dogs the same as you can humans.

However,as we said in the similar recent thread,its not always the dog that can't be trusted with the child but the child that can't be trusted with the dog.

There's an old saying "There's nothing as cruel as children".

Which makes one wonder why most of these attacks take place when the child is out of parental control with the dog.

Innocent or guilty,the dog will always be to blame.

XXXX

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By *istress-MazikeenWoman
over a year ago

bolton

"We're dog lovers but realise you can get psycho dogs the same as you can humans.

However,as we said in the similar recent thread,its not always the dog that can't be trusted with the child but the child that can't be trusted with the dog.

There's an old saying "There's nothing as cruel as children".

Which makes one wonder why most of these attacks take place when the child is out of parental control with the dog.

Innocent or guilty,the dog will always be to blame.

XXXX"

So true, my 3 year old grandson can be a pain sometimes, poking the dog! and also it can be down to the owner and how they treat the dog, and most of them own staffies.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple
over a year ago

Bolton

"We're dog lovers but realise you can get psycho dogs the same as you can humans.

However,as we said in the similar recent thread,its not always the dog that can't be trusted with the child but the child that can't be trusted with the dog.

There's an old saying "There's nothing as cruel as children".

Which makes one wonder why most of these attacks take place when the child is out of parental control with the dog.

Innocent or guilty,the dog will always be to blame.

XXXX"

I know what you mean, a child could also accidentaly poke a dog in the eye, pull a tail - the parents are to blame entirely for leaving a child alone with a dog and the dog mauls the child. Z

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not particularly a dog lover but I must defend the dog. It is the owner who is responsible, the dog is an animal, no matter how intelligent, sometimes they perceive threats where there are none. Owners should be forced to be responsible for their dogs actions.

My cat was very old and placid when we had young children but I NEVER left her alone with them. Children dont realise that other beings have feelings, have had my nose headbutted and my shoulders nibbled when teething etc. OK rant over.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place

its the "it ll never happen with our dog syndrome" when it does its too late .

Its similar with parents who perch there little kids on 1/3rd of a ton of unpredictable ponies at a horse shows in the hope the kid " who 9 times out of 10 is unaware what is happening "

will win some pointless rosette..

makes ya weep .

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The trouble is far too many people use certain breeds of dog as status symbols, for some having a dog that looks 'hard' adds to their street cred.

How sad

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By *umour OP Couple
over a year ago

Rushden

"However,as we said in the similar recent thread,its not always the dog that can't be trusted with the child but the child that can't be trusted with the dog.

There's an old saying "There's nothing as cruel as children".

Which makes one wonder why most of these attacks take place when the child is out of parental control with the dog.

Innocent or guilty,the dog will always be to blame.XXXX"

Hi guys, while I do agree with you that kids can be little buggers, I never said the dog was to blame! I did say that the dog was deamed to be safe and it wasn't, but that is just a fact!

Dogs are interbred wild animals that have been domesticated for OUR benefit, not the dogs! The are pack animals and the reason they attack when the kids are alone is because their "leader" is not there, not necessarily because the child has done anything.

BUT... That is NOT the dogs fault! If we must have these symbols of Macho around us, we must be prepared to be responsible for their pets actions.

It is not even about just macho dogs though, the same canine behavoural expert who told me how the pack thing works, also made sure that I was aware that small dogs attack kids more often and they don't get reported because they do very little damage.

And for the record, we love dogs too... German Shepard and a Jack Russell in the family...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm very reluctant to leave my children at home with my dog - i'm very concerned for the dogs safety !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm very reluctant to leave my children at home with my dog - i'm very concerned for the dogs safety !!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"I know what you mean, a child could also accidentaly poke a dog in the eye, pull a tail "

Or, the kid thinks: "Hey, that looks just like a pencil sharpener......"

OOOOwwwwwwwoooOOOOHHHHH!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't care if it is a rare occurence, small kids and animals unsupervised is a definate NO!"

Some people just don't think. But never mind the child a dog loose in a car is dangerous in the first place. I think the law should state dogs in the boot of a hatchback or estate with dog bars up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

i dont understand the breed or the desire to own them. they are pretty unstable and i get vexed by folk saying that they own one and its soft or friendly...they are until agrevated and who knows what agrevates them?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

any staffy owned by my friends would lick you to death......i would imagine that people aggrevate them......just like man in pub at weekend...if aggrevated by fellow human....then punch....take that!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

exactly!!! then try tell a baby not to aggrevate it!

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By *ethot69Couple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Was a thread on this the other day actually - still have to maintain the view that certain breeds of dog are genetically pre-disposed to mauling, even if smaller dogs can be aggressive too.

Personally, I'd be hesitant to leave a child in the same room as a cat, nevermind any breed of dog!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

exactly!!! then try tell a baby not to aggrevate it!"

dont leave a baby anywhere near any form of animal....sorted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

Staffys are gorgeous dogs and get a bad press. At the end of the day its how a dog is raised same with children. And common sense for cars there are dog harness and seat belts and dont leave children alone with them simples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

..and i bet every parent who's had a child mauled by a staffy thought exactly the same thing.

they're an unnatural breed of dog and completely unstable. it's nothing to do with breeding or training; there's been instances of that breed attacking unprovoked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

..and i bet every parent who's had a child mauled by a staffy thought exactly the same thing.

they're an unnatural breed of dog and completely unstable. it's nothing to do with breeding or training; there's been instances of that breed attacking unprovoked. "

some might disagree on your thoughts re staffies..........here is some info i can relate to.....

Although individual differences in personality exist, common traits exist throughout the Staffords. Due to its breeding, the modern dog is known for its character of indomitable courage, high intelligence, and tenacity. This, coupled with its affection for its friends (and children in particular), its off-duty quietness and trustworthy stability, make it a foremost all-purpose dog [1]. It has been said that "No breed is more loving with its family"[3] Because of their affinity for children, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are sometimes known as “Nanny Dogs” in England[4].

The breed is naturally muscular and may appear intimidating; however, because of their natural fondness for people, most Staffords are temperamentally ill-suited for guard or attack-dog training.

Staffordshire Bull Terrier puppies are very easy to house train. [5]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thats what I mean staffys get a bad press a lot of it is up to how they are raised and trained. When thinking of getting a dog you need to look at your family, lifestyle, work commitments. Each breed has their own traits/personalities and personally I love staffys

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By *heWolfMan
over a year ago

warwickshire

"The breed is naturally muscular and may appear intimidating;"

And there's the nub of it. Dogs need a boss (cough, like women, he he), and they know full well when you aren't 100% confident. If you aren't the boss in your pack, they will try their luck, it's nature. Hesitation to firmly keep a dog in line is the worst thing, they can't help but notice.

Dogs need lots of attention, care and love, and they absolutely need to know their place, that's when they are happy, not knowing stresses them and makes them unpredictable.

When a newcomer arrives, especially one that's getting loads of fuss, like a child, you don't give them the opportunity to assert their place in the pack, no matter how soft they appear when they are in your presence. When you aren't there, they might just try and put a child in its place. It's not definite, not all dogs are going to test you, I suppose it depends on the structure of your "pack", the history of the dog and the way they are treated when everyone is together.

You can't blame the dog, you can only blame the twat who selects a dog for the pose, but doesn't put the hours in to care for it, to keep it stable.

Also, I feel a lot of sympathy for those responsible Staffy owners who have kept them long before they became a chav fashion accessory. In my youth, you hardly ever saw them, now they come free with every ASBO. I think if they had their name changed to "Gay Terrier" it might dull some of the attraction to Burberry-clad fuckwits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I struggle to understand the point of view of some posters here.

As a parent, no matter how lovely and fluffy a dog may appear I wouldn't take the chance of having it around my child: period!

You don't know what can trigger an attack so why gamble with your child?!!

I got rid of my cat when I was pregnant. I was told they carried something in their faeces that could harm my baby, also cats were known to sleep on babies.

I had visions of my infant being smothered so the cat had to go!

Over cautious?!! Hell no, from I knew there was a chance no matter how slim of danger the cat had to go!!

Much let alone a dog!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We own an American Bulldog and a German Shepherd.

Both of them are the softest, stupidest dogs you could ever imagine, however there is no way on earth we'd leave either of them alone with a child !!

People who do this kind of thing must have an IQ of below zero.

No matter how good your dog happens to be - he/she is still a 'wild' animal and should not be trusted amongst kids.

Sometimes it isn't the dogs fault but after little Billy has pulled the dog's tail and twisted his ears a few times too many - it will retaliate, in exactly the same way as a human would do if subject to sufficient and sustained provocation.

The only way a dog can retaliate is by barking or biting .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

..and i bet every parent who's had a child mauled by a staffy thought exactly the same thing.

they're an unnatural breed of dog and completely unstable. it's nothing to do with breeding or training; there's been instances of that breed attacking unprovoked. "

There are instances of many breeds attacking unprovoked, not just the Staffy. All dogs have that potential. They also have the potential to be very loyal and protective little dogs, especially towards their children ... I wouldn't own a golden Labrador or spaniel ... why??? Rage Syndrome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my friend had a staffy, i told her as long as she owned it i wouldnt visit her house with the children.

..and i bet every parent who's had a child mauled by a staffy thought exactly the same thing.

they're an unnatural breed of dog and completely unstable. it's nothing to do with breeding or training; there's been instances of that breed attacking unprovoked.

I owned a Gloden Retriever...my ex hub..woke him suddenly on a new years eve ...to wish him a happy new year...the startled dog bite his face...

Family pet ..soft as shite etc..!!needless to say ...

I rushed over to comfort my poor shocked dog...he was shaken but calmed down after a fuss and a bit of ham..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with you, we have a staffie ourselfs but whould not dream of leaving her alone with the kids, placid as she may be as a responsible owner u dont take that chance ...Having said that a staffie was not the dog in question , i belive any dog can bite as i know from a past experience....

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By *umour OP Couple
over a year ago

Rushden

I really must thank everyone for their comments on here. It is heartening to see that people on Fab may disagree with the causes of these attacks, but all agree that kids and dogs alone together should never happen.

I particularly liked the comment about dogs loose in the car and that they should be behind a dog guard behind the seats in a hatchback or estate. I have seen guards for saloon cars too to restrict dogs (and kids? lol) to the back seat. After all, a hatch or estate my not suit everyone.

I suppose the main thing is that we treat our kids (including pets in that!) properly and be mindful of the consequences of a lapse in control.

Thanks again xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dogs' got no nose .......

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