FabSwingers.com forum: Crimes of Fashion.

By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

What are they?

And what should be the punishment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anything I wear. A spanking

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Anything I wear. A spanking

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You are just gagging for it.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

White socks

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

Socks and flip flops

Jeans with your arse hanging out/the crotch down to your knees.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Punishments ladies?

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Massive overhanging bellies in leggins

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Punishments ladies?

They should be made to bend over and I'll shove a HUGE dildo up their arse!!!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I once got told off for going to Tesco one sunny Sunday in shorts, with green socks pulled to my knees and pit boots on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People wearing matching shell suits

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By *unky monkeyMan
over a year ago

in the night garden

Crime: Wearing jogging bottoms with dress shoes.

Punishment: To be bent over and fucked up the arse with a knotted pine.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Punishments ladies?

They should be made to bend over and I'll shove a HUGE dildo up their arse!!!

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And you say I am in one of my moods!

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough."
I had Bananarama hair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

women going to work in one trainer one shoe

injure her other foot

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"women going to work in one trainer one shoe

injure her other foot"
Thats harsh, and cannot be helped?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"women going to work in one trainer one shoe

injure her other footThats harsh, and cannot be helped?

wear two trainers

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"women going to work in one trainer one shoe

injure her other footThats harsh, and cannot be helped?

wear two trainers

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Maybe they don't have two, got it half price? You know us ladies cannot resist a bargain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"women going to work in one trainer one shoe

injure her other footThats harsh, and cannot be helped?

wear two trainers

Maybe they don't have two, got it half price? You know us ladies cannot resist a bargain

got me lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leggins on a lady with a bottom so large the material becomes almost translucent with the strain.

Any item of clothing that is tight enough to produce a muffin top.

Inappropriately short or low clothes in a work environment (unless you happen to be a lifeguard/stripper)

Work shirt blue jeans and formal shoes.

Any tee-shirt with the picture of a wolf/wild animal on it.

The punishment should be knowing that the world thinks you look shit

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By *athylacyTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Punishments ladies?

They should be made to bend over and I'll shove a HUGE dildo up their arse!!!

Can I help?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Those fleece thingys that have wolves on them...I mean really!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop describing my choice of clothing!!

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By *odoudoMan
over a year ago

hereford

"I once got told off for going to Tesco one sunny Sunday in shorts, with green socks pulled to my knees and pit boots on.

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I'm not surprised, should've worn fishnets instead of the green socks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ugg boots...

I really can't stand them, and I bought MissLiss a pair last year!

What was I thinking...

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

I saw a couple of very large ladies wandering around the car boot sale yesterday in snug fitting tops and no support for the Mitchell brothers who seemed to be trying to escape via their waistbands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Translucent leggings, skinny jeans and those earring things that make a massive hole in the earlobe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one dare mention my toe socks, leopard print meggins and cardigans!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

look lovely on a young girl (over 16)

not to good on an older lady (that ive seen so far)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a fashion criminal. Do your worst

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No one dare mention my toe socks, leopard print meggins and cardigans!

Cardigans are fine, as long as they're accompanied by Oxford bags and comfortable brogues.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I am a fashion criminal. Do your worst

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You are not you just want to be punished.

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By *heScotandthegirlCouple
over a year ago

London & Edinburgh

Men naked/boxers with socks still on...... Noooooooooooo.

Punishment- a custard pie to complete the stupid look!

Ruby

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Ugg boots...

I really can't stand them, and I bought MissLiss a pair last year!

What was I thinking..."

Some people can carry them off it's the fake uggs for me

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Men naked/boxers with socks still on...... Noooooooooooo.

Punishment- a custard pie to complete the stupid look!

Ruby"
I am liking the punishment but now my mind is drifting to sploshing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any tee-shirt with the picture of a wolf/wild animal on it."

Noooooo, Charlies horse!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a fashion criminal. Do your worst

You are not you just want to be punished.

Pah...bring it on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh yes... Onesies.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pink striped shirts

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live."
You have thought very carefully about this haven't you?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

I dont want to get serious

but men that wear shoes that tie up the side.

Cut their feet off and dip the stumps in salt.

x x X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live."

Dahell is the Asda kkk England costume?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pink velour leisure suits,

pj's in the supermarket.

Neck tattoos (classy)

Crop tops,

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Men wearing underwear under a Kilt!!!

Complete no-no

Punishment: take everything off and throw the hammer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Onesies....

Punishment is to be burned at the stake whilst wearing one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh yes... Onesies.....

They's just comfy bed wear. I don't actually own any I must admit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Oh yes... Onesies.....

They's just comfy bed wear. I don't actually own any I must admit "
I have one yellow one that makes me look like Pudsie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eyebrowz! Eyebrows.

I browse eyebrows.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men wearing three-quarter length 'shorts'

Anyone wearing Crocs, fucking abomination!

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match. "
Some women do indeed have them tattooed on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whoo the amount of vitriol this thread has unleashed

Let it all out, very cathartic

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Whoo the amount of vitriol this thread has unleashed

Let it all out, very cathartic

You should have seen one of the threads last night lol

Not much vitriol in this one imo lol

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Whoo the amount of vitriol this thread has unleashed

Let it all out, very cathartic

You should have seen one of the threads last night lol

Not much vitriol in this one imo lol

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Some people were vile last night, today is a new day however.....

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Whoo the amount of vitriol this thread has unleashed

Let it all out, very cathartic

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

I hate onesies. There, I've said it out loud. And UGG boots. And Crocs. And sandals with socks. And anything emblazoned with the Playboy logo.

I saw a couple wearing matching wolf sweatshirts the other week. I nearly hurled.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crocs! Punishable by death

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By *awty MaxWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"Whoo the amount of vitriol this thread has unleashed

Let it all out, very cathartic

You should have seen one of the threads last night lol

Not much vitriol in this one imo lol

Some people were vile last night, today is a new day however....."

And

to that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You all need to come shopping with me. I'd drive you insane!

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

"I hate onesies. There, I've said it out loud. And UGG boots. And Crocs. And sandals with socks. And anything emblazoned with the Playboy logo.

I saw a couple wearing matching wolf sweatshirts the other week. I nearly hurled."
geeza cuddle. X x X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

worst thing i've ever seen was a large lady wearing white leggings.... was a hot day and she was sweating profusely... not a nice look

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in the I hate onsie club why wear PJs outside

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"worst thing i've ever seen was a large lady wearing white leggings.... was a hot day and she was sweating profusely... not a nice look"

Bloody made me put my egg and tomato butty in the bin that thought

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"worst thing i've ever seen was a large lady wearing white leggings.... was a hot day and she was sweating profusely... not a nice look

Bloody made me put my egg and tomato butty in the bin that thought

Shame you got punished for that crime

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

[Removed by poster at 02/06/14 14:22:18]

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

The four boob ill fitting bra look.

Wearing strappy sandals when you have minging feet..*shudders*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live.You have thought very carefully about this haven't you?

well I had some time to kill so put a lil bit of thought into it.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live.You have thought very carefully about this haven't you?

well I had some time to kill so put a lil bit of thought into it.

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Onesies seem to be in the lead so far.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

And what should be the punishment?

not against fashion..... but style YES

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By *ikki ShooterTV/TS
over a year ago

Epsom

Jeans that show off your boxers

Punishment: treat them as if they were in jail.

Having dirty boxers showing because you wear your jeans round your thighs

Punishment: supersized wedgey

Having sex at a venue with just white socks on.(what we're you thinking)

Punishment: help me here people I couldn't believe she let him fuck her like that......a few of us had a giggle at the white socks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.I had Bananarama hair.

I tried to look like Phil Oakey. Thank god for school uniform. With white socks, naturally. Rebel without a clue.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

bodystocking..... yet to see a nice one that suited the person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very short skirts on a hot fem.

punishment should be to give me a naked lapdance then for me to bring them to orgasem with my tongue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ugg boots and the like.

Punishment: You get them super glued to your feet.

Onesies

Punishment: Taken to a safari park and told to run from one end to the other.

Cricket jumpers.

Punishment: Wanna wear the jumper? Better see if you can play first.

The Asda kkk england costume.

Punishment: Walk through Brixton and see if you live.You have thought very carefully about this haven't you?

well I had some time to kill so put a lil bit of thought into it.

Onesies seem to be in the lead so far.

And rightly so too. They're stupid. And the fact that people go shopping in them is ridiculous.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Any sportswear worn by those without athletic ability or disabilities, or whilst engaging in fitness activities or travelling for fitness participation. Doing so is a crime against humanity and good taste. Punishment - non stop running in my human hamster wheel for a marathon, or submerged into nearest large body of water and made to swim or sink. Preferably sink.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Jeans with elasticated cuffs. Everyone I've seen wearing them, young or old, fat, thin or average, just looks a twat.

They should be publicly de-bagged and said item ritualistically burned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

brown jumpers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The onesie

Especially if worn

Shopping to tesco, asda etc....

The school run

Popping to corner shop

Or anywhere other than inside the bloody house

Especially stupid worn on a night out.

Fucking ridiculous piece of clothing.

YOU LOOK STUPID WEARING IT, DON'T CARE HOW COOL YOU THINK YOU LOOK

It's a baby grow end of.

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By *adyGardenWoman
over a year ago

LONDON (se)

"Ugg boots...

I really can't stand them, and I bought MissLiss a pair last year!

What was I thinking..."

They are actually from New Zealand and worn as slippers.

Hate them and people that go out in onesies and PJs

WTF

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ugg boots...

I really can't stand them, and I bought MissLiss a pair last year!

What was I thinking...

They are actually from New Zealand and worn as slippers.

Hate them and people that go out in onesies and PJs

WTF

It's just pure laziness.

Am sure they would complain if I strolled into coop in my grundies scratching my ball sac, coz I could not be arsed to get dressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Onesies

pyjamas outdoors

Pyjamas indoors

any clothing with the Retailers name splashed over the front shouting look at me i can afford to pay 80 sovs for a T shirt while blissfully unaware that it is made in the same Indian sweatshop as a 2 squid top from primark.

Punishment..herded together smothered in strawberry jam and placed in a pen with a Amorous Grizzly Bear

Gimp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

White socks n sandals

punishment x mmmmm cant think x something extreme sit doesnt happen again

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Ankle grazers for men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can pull off anything.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

football or rugby tops...

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I can pull off anything."
Are you going to the social in June?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ankle grazers for men

Is that a Punishment ?

Gimp

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Mankini!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On a man Leather sandals and white socks, pulled up to the knee and shorts

Punishment, made to spend a hot day hill walking in a lace thong, the chafing will remind them NEVER to do that again..

COMB OVERS.....

No punishment is severe enough...

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

"Mankini!

Punishment = to be kicked in the testicles until their head falls off.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

dressing as tarts, either intentionally or not

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By *odoudoMan
over a year ago

hereford

Kenny Everett had the only punishment to fit all crimes of fashion.

Round em up

Put em in a field

And bomb the bastards

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"dressing as tarts, either intentionally or not"
Unless you are meeting the vicar.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"dressing as tarts, either intentionally or notUnless you are meeting the vicar.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match. Some women do indeed have them tattooed on.

I do. No moustache to match though!

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match. Some women do indeed have them tattooed on.

I do. No moustache to match though! "
Sharpies are cheaper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People who wear trainers or tracky bottoms should be made to exercise there and then.

Come on then mate , you've paid £100 for a pair of pumps now run around the block in them you clown.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

Chipped nail varnish, punishable by having their heads shaved!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People who wear trainers or tracky bottoms should be made to exercise there and then.

Come on then mate , you've paid £100 for a pair of pumps now run around the block in them you clown. "

I wear skate shoes and boots because I have big fat feet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People who wear trainers or tracky bottoms should be made to exercise there and then.

Come on then mate , you've paid £100 for a pair of pumps now run around the block in them you clown.

I wear skate shoes and boots because I have big fat feet."

You wear fish skin shoes ?

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By *nfieldishCouple
over a year ago

Enfield

Crocs.....simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Socks and flip flops

Jeans with your arse hanging out/the crotch down to your knees.

Ffs I hate this! I just wanna pull all their pants up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wearing trainers on a night out

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

Thumb rings. Even more so on guys.

Don't know why but I really dislike seeing it.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Moderate Level Crime - guys wearing skinny jeans with the low slung crotch... usually somewhere just above the knee... creating the look of dwarfism legs or someone wearing a jumper as trousers.

Serious Crime - podgy guys in the aforementioned skinny jeans.

Moderate Level Crime - guys wearing garish coloured baggy bodybuilder's sweatpants in public.

Serious Crime - skinny fecker wearing aforementioned garish sweatpants ... looking like a bad MC Hammer tribute waiting to breakout into the running man whilst singing "Can't touch this... STOP... Hammer time"

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.I had Bananarama hair.

Ahh 1987, i was sporting the Bros look back then. Gel spiked hair, skinny stonewash jeans with basketball boots/trainers with the tongues hanging out and bottle tops in the laces.

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.I had Bananarama hair.

Ahh 1987, i was sporting the Bros look back then. Gel spiked hair, skinny stonewash jeans with basketball boots/trainers with the tongues hanging out and bottle tops in the laces.

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I was in ripped jeans and cowboy boots and oversize jackets.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.I had Bananarama hair.

Ahh 1987, i was sporting the Bros look back then. Gel spiked hair, skinny stonewash jeans with basketball boots/trainers with the tongues hanging out and bottle tops in the laces.

I was in ripped jeans and cowboy boots and oversize jackets.

What, no shoulder pads?

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By *emmefatale OP Woman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

"I had a perm in 1987. The fact it looked that bad was punishment enough.I had Bananarama hair.

Ahh 1987, i was sporting the Bros look back then. Gel spiked hair, skinny stonewash jeans with basketball boots/trainers with the tongues hanging out and bottle tops in the laces.

I was in ripped jeans and cowboy boots and oversize jackets.

What, no shoulder pads?

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Huuuge ones.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Tank tops

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Any bloke in saggy pants should just get their exposed arse fucked by anyone who fancies it as punishment. The wearing of any matching clothing by a couple should mean an immediate asbo banning them from associating together for 10 years minimum. Huge ear hole piercings must result in brain surgery removing their ability to both hear and see ever again.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Any tee-shirt with the picture of a wolf/wild animal on it."

I've got several t-shirts with wild animals on. I don't think I've got any wolves but I've got them with various big cats and one with horses.

Punishment? Yeah whatever

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hawaiian shirts and 2 or 3 buttons undone wearing a medallion...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crime : Women with eyebrowz draw on with a fucking paint roller.

Punishment : Eyebrows will be tattooed on along with a novelty moustache to match. Some women do indeed have them tattooed on.

I do. No moustache to match though! Sharpies are cheaper

And don't look nearly as natural! Especially when you accidentally pick the green one out of the packet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hawaiian shirts and 2 or 3 buttons undone wearing a medallion...

Now, when we're together you tell me I remind you of Magnum PI! See you later for an explanation...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No fashion crime but still down to be punished

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok..... Here goes......

I.......own........ c r o c s.....

And they're yellow......sorry

Sorry

Sorry.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those fleece thingys that have wolves on them...I mean really!!!! "

I'm a member of a wolf fleece hunters group on fb

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kitten heels!

Wear proper high heels or don't bother at all.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Those fleece thingys that have wolves on them...I mean really!!!!

I'm a member of a wolf fleece hunters group on fb

Lol

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

i saw a whole family in white fleeces .. looked like a flock of sheep pushing a pram ... i had a bubble perm when i had hair .. and ive got an old guys t shirt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On guys: leather gay pirate boots, converse, vans, bright polo shirts, deep v necks, baggy jeans, baggy suits, combat trousers/shorts (unless you go fishing), no socks, coloured hoodies, hollister, superdry things, any geeky/clever/quote/city related printed t-shirts and finally expensive clothes with that 'made to look old' look.

On girls: UGGly boots, generally speaking every girl can look good in anything as long as they throw it on correctly and have the body for it. I know someone that wears shiny 90s track suits and she looks banging!

PS: I actually like the fleece wolf things.

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