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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What do you think?

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

Clutching at straws I think ! Although it would be good for the parents to have closure I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just read that too. Be good for her patents to get closure. A missing person in some ways I think is worse than a dead one....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think she could be found. However if that's the case questions will start to be asked of how did she end up there? And why wasn't she found in the original searches and who is responsible.

I hope the poor girl isn't there and is happy and in ignorance of who she is somewhere in the world rather than a horrible alternative.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Personally they shoukd have dug up years ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What do you think?"

They should water board the parents until they tell the truth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to work in Luz around that time & the feeling there was she hadn't been taken far away & had been murdered. So yes its a good possibility that may well find something

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

its highly likely but I like to believe she was sold to a childless couple but the parents need to know what happened

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Does anyone think the parents did it?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Does anyone think the parents did it?"

1000% No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone think the parents did it?"

I don't think so, but I do feel they failed to take responsibility for the basic safety of their daughter. They have paid a heavy price for their dereliction of duty though so whether a prosecution would have been wise I'm unsure.

There was reports of traces of blood being found in their hire car though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot of money, man power and media coverage has been given to the parents of the poor girl, they are to blame for this girl going missing. Who in there right mind leaves a child on their own while going for a night out.

Hope they can live with that.

Why all the attention on this girl what about all the other missing minors, lets see them getting this much effort into finding them too!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Does anyone think the parents did it?"

No.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz"

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. "

Poor judgement maybe or child neglect. Either way its a strong possibility that the little girl is dead. If it had happened here I wonder if the public response would have been different. Our police would have responded quicker that is a certainty & not taken hours over getting any proper search started.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives.

Poor judgement maybe or child neglect. Either way its a strong possibility that the little girl is dead. If it had happened here I wonder if the public response would have been different. Our police would have responded quicker that is a certainty & not taken hours over getting any proper search started. "

It's not child neglect. Not in this country or there.

I thought 24 hours after she went missing that she was most likely dead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think a lot of money, man power and media coverage has been given to the parents of the poor girl, they are to blame for this girl going missing. Who in there right mind leaves a child on their own while going for a night out.

Hope they can live with that.

Why all the attention on this girl what about all the other missing minors, lets see them getting this much effort into finding them too!"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Does anyone think the parents did it?

I don't think so, but I do feel they failed to take responsibility for the basic safety of their daughter. They have paid a heavy price for their dereliction of duty though so whether a prosecution would have been wise I'm unsure.

There was reports of traces of blood being found in their hire car though..."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives.

Poor judgement maybe or child neglect. Either way its a strong possibility that the little girl is dead. If it had happened here I wonder if the public response would have been different. Our police would have responded quicker that is a certainty & not taken hours over getting any proper search started. "
that was appalling how they handled the search

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. "
I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone think the parents did it?"

No not at all

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

"

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sounds like they are only digging there as its about to be developed, so they are ruling it out before its too late.

shame for the couple as they would either get their hopes up, or be shitting it the body is about to be found where they hid it.

either way, they are the main reason the girl is missing, they should be living with guilt, whether they are or not is another matter)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public."

In my opinion (Daz) it does make them a bad parent. Any parent who goes out drinking & leaving their children alone unguarded is. Even more so when child minding was available at the accomodation & not only for just the one night either

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public."
apologies I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, I agree with you say somewhat but agree with others when they say if it was some other family who wasn't middle class and not as much money etc they would have been ruined by press, police, public, social services etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

"
they don't do it anymore. My parents done it with me but with people walking around checking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

they don't do it anymore. My parents done it with me but with people walking around checking."

So your parents put your safety in the hands of transient workers with no criminal record check ?

I'm not digging your parents out just making a point that by leaving your kids for an evening you don't deserve what has happened to the Mcanns.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz"
I agree. Another subsequent disappearance may have been preventable if action had been taken.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives.

Poor judgement maybe or child neglect. Either way its a strong possibility that the little girl is dead. If it had happened here I wonder if the public response would have been different. Our police would have responded quicker that is a certainty & not taken hours over getting any proper search started.

It's not child neglect. Not in this country or there.

I thought 24 hours after she went missing that she was most likely dead."

Its not neglect to.leave a 5 year old and 2 2 year old alone in an apartment while you ho out socialising with friends??

Just because more people than the mccans did it doesn't make it right!!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public. apologies I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, I agree with you say somewhat but agree with others when they say if it was some other family who wasn't middle class and not as much money etc they would have been ruined by press, police, public, social services etc."

And you think they haven't been? They've had all sorts t attacks against them in the media.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

"

I remember that well,all the adults were pissed as farts having a great time while we were left alone in a chalet,with the occasional walk by from a butlins worker who could have been jimmy savilles or jack the rippers twin for all we knew,that was absolutely fine though,no one batted an eyelid or called it child neglect

I really hope this family get the closure they deserve so they can at least say goodbye properly,I just don't think it will happen

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public. apologies I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, I agree with you say somewhat but agree with others when they say if it was some other family who wasn't middle class and not as much money etc they would have been ruined by press, police, public, social services etc.

And you think they haven't been? They've had all sorts t attacks against them in the media. "
Iv not seen social services do anything, have you? My point is if someone was do it that wasn't like them they would have had there other kids taken away

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

I remember that well,all the adults were pissed as farts having a great time while we were left alone in a chalet,with the occasional walk by from a butlins worker who could have been jimmy savilles or jack the rippers twin for all we knew,that was absolutely fine though,no one batted an eyelid or called it child neglect

I really hope this family get the closure they deserve so they can at least say goodbye properly,I just don't think it will happen

"
that was in those days, unfortunately these days are just ridiculous, sometimes for the good sometimes for the worse

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

I remember that well,all the adults were pissed as farts having a great time while we were left alone in a chalet,with the occasional walk by from a butlins worker who could have been jimmy savilles or jack the rippers twin for all we knew,that was absolutely fine though,no one batted an eyelid or called it child neglect

I really hope this family get the closure they deserve so they can at least say goodbye properly,I just don't think it will happen

that was in those days, unfortunately these days are just ridiculous, sometimes for the good sometimes for the worse"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Iv not seen social services do anything, have you? My point is if someone was do it that wasn't like them they would have had there other kids taken away"

Are you absolutely certain of that claim?

What evidence do you have to back that up as im interested to know,I and 1000s of others may want to make a historical child neglect claim if thats true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do they still do the baby crying in chalet six alert at butlins ? Hundreds of family's have left children alone for a night out whilst on holiday. Although it is something we could never do It doesn't mean you deserve to lose them.

I remember that well,all the adults were pissed as farts having a great time while we were left alone in a chalet,with the occasional walk by from a butlins worker who could have been jimmy savilles or jack the rippers twin for all we knew,that was absolutely fine though,no one batted an eyelid or called it child neglect

I really hope this family get the closure they deserve so they can at least say goodbye properly,I just don't think it will happen

that was in those days, unfortunately these days are just ridiculous, sometimes for the good sometimes for the worse"

Whats different about today?

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"be careful legally how you answer that. What I never understood is why they never got into trouble for leaving the 3 kids alone. A single parent would have been in trouble. It wasn't the first night they had left them either

Daz

And they're not the only parents to have ever done so whilst on holiday. It was more common than you'd think. People seem to let their guard down more on holiday.

So, it was poor judgement but the pillorying they received because of it was unwarranted in my opinion. They carry the weight of that guilt now for the rest of their lives. I'm sure it wasn't the first time before it happened then. I know for a fact I wouldn't have left my child/kids in a room by them selves on the ground floor, facing a road with a poxy gate as security.

It wasn't a personal attack. Many people do, however foolish it seems. I think it's linked to the relaxed feelings we can develop whilst on holiday - think there may even have been studies or surveys done on it. People take more risks generally when away on holiday.

I'm not, of course, saying it is right. But to use that to demonise them is wrong and using hyperbola like 'child neglect' is simply an emotive response rather than rational thought.

They will pay the price of such idiocy forever. But it does not make them appalling parents no matter what crap sensationalist stories tge media make public. apologies I didn't mean for it to come across as an attack, I agree with you say somewhat but agree with others when they say if it was some other family who wasn't middle class and not as much money etc they would have been ruined by press, police, public, social services etc.

And you think they haven't been? They've had all sorts t attacks against them in the media. Iv not seen social services do anything, have you? My point is if someone was do it that wasn't like them they would have had there other kids taken away"

No they wouldn't as the many cases of child deaths in neglectful households are a testament to. Even those who have been on the at risk register and still left with their children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Iv not seen social services do anything, have you? My point is if someone was do it that wasn't like them they would have had there other kids taken away

"

Just because you haven't seen anything it doesn't mean nothing has been done. Everything is done confidentially.

And to suggest that they are getting off lightly because of their class and jobs is a bit of a nonsense. Many social workers will come from working class backgrounds and will have no reason to treat the Mcanns any different from anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does anyone think the parents did it?"

100% yes

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