FabSwingers.com forum: Youth of today....

By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

I work in recruitment and I deal with young people everyday and my god their attitude to job hunting is atrocious! So many of them "believe" that they are entitled to a well paid job just because however they don't mind taking a slight pay cut if they can progress to management in less than 2 years

and soooo many don't even go to interviews?!!

When I was younger and looking for work I went by foot to businesses and didn't stop till I found a job! I wasn't bothered about what I did.

I love telling them to pull their heads in and that in fact they are not to good to work in a call centre and they are worth much less than they like to believe!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I work in recruitment and I deal with young people everyday and my god their attitude to job hunting is atrocious! So many of them "believe" that they are entitled to a well paid job just because however they don't mind taking a slight pay cut if they can progress to management in less than 2 years

and soooo many don't even go to interviews?!!

When I was younger and looking for work I went by foot to businesses and didn't stop till I found a job! I wasn't bothered about what I did.

I love telling them to pull their heads in and that in fact they are not to good to work in a call centre and they are worth much less than they like to believe!

A sweeping statement and to be honest all folk is complain about the youth of today way i see it is if someone says your shite all the time you will believe it.

Have you tried encouraging instead of taking pleasure putting them down.

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By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

A sweeping statement and to be honest all folk is complain about the youth of today way i see it is if someone says your shite all the time you will believe it.

Have you tried encouraging instead of taking pleasure putting them down.

It's not a sweeping statement at all, I come across it all day, everyday. We had the same attitude towards young people in my generation - did it stop me or any of my friends? No because we weren't so stuck up to think that we are better than any job offered to us. It's all about attitude and basically the attitude of SO many young people is absolutely shit. It's not all their fault, parents have to take some responsibility. I know when my kids are teenagers they will be working any job going! My point is so many people expect things handed to them on a silver platter and we forget that to be successful it takes hard work and determination!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When I were a lad they'd send me in t oven for ten hours a day for tuppence hapny and a slice o bread never did me any harm

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

You go back through history and find people complaining about the youth of the day.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

In my experience young people WILL work in any job, look around on a Sunday who is working in the supermarket, who is in McDonalds at ten pm and lots of these will be studying during the week? My kids had a job as soon as they could get one and both work at two jobs now to be able to pay their way.

Obviously your experience is different to mine but I really don't like to see youngsters written off this way.

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

tell em the only guaranteed money is what they work for

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the way they are brought up !! If you instil a work ethic into yr kids then they will want to work if you don't then they think the world owes them everything !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The youth of today are cleverer and will achieve more than all the generations before them.

There are many young people with bad attitudes, that expect the world on a plate, can't communicate etc. etc. - but there are plenty of old gits the same.

One difference now is that there are less manual jobs for those best suited to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You characterise "all young" people but it's apparent what you get is a someone who hasn't got much to there name which is why they have this attitude to work in the first place, or b they have no experience. I started working in a warehouse at 13 pretending to be my older brother as we were dirt poor. I now work a very good job but mostly have been very lucky. To say all young people are this way is wrong, you work in recruitment but what recruitment? Sounds to me to be non skilled work which is why all the young people are the way you describe them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe they're hung up on the fact they have to sort the sort the shitty mess your generation has left behind?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the future there with be no youth of today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe they're hung up on the fact they have to sort the sort the shitty mess your generation has left behind?"
hahahahahHh

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By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

"Maybe they're hung up on the fact they have to sort the sort the shitty mess your generation has left behind?"

Ahh we are the same age??! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahh we are the same age??! Lol"

I know but I like making sweeping general statements like your original post.

My sister is 19, works 2 jobs and goes to university, paid for her driving lessons and her own car. Youth of today aye!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing wrong with ambition. I know young people who work anywhere they can for whatever money. There seems to be an awful lot of recruitment agencies compared to when I was the youth of today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ahh we are the same age??! Lol

I know but I like making sweeping general statements like your original post.

My sister is 19, works 2 jobs and goes to university, paid for her driving lessons and her own car. Youth of today aye!"

plenty of people like her around too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe they're hung up on the fact they have to sort the sort the shitty mess your generation has left behind?

Ahh we are the same age??! Lol"

Hahaha well all I can say is I've worked since i was 14 and was working 7 days a week with two jobs age 16-18.

Like yourself I'm in a job where I interact with youths and I have to agree that the attitude of some is somewhat different from my own.

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By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

"You characterise "all young" people but it's apparent what you get is a someone who hasn't got much to there name which is why they have this attitude to work in the first place, or b they have no experience. I started working in a warehouse at 13 pretending to be my older brother as we were dirt poor. I now work a very good job but mostly have been very lucky. To say all young people are this way is wrong, you work in recruitment but what recruitment? Sounds to me to be non skilled work which is why all the young people are the way you describe them"

Actually I never said the word "all" anywhere. I said "so many".

I have worked in industrial recruitment, commercial and soon to be specialist. Luck has a part to play in success - no doubt - but you have to create your own luck, be open to opportunities as well and usually someone has to see something in you that's willing to bet on.

And I would say more uni grads then not are the ones with the lazy attitude!

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

There's wee wanks in every generation.

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By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

Ahh we are the same age??! Lol

I know but I like making sweeping general statements like your original post.

My sister is 19, works 2 jobs and goes to university, paid for her driving lessons and her own car. Youth of today aye!"

I didn't say all young people!!

I love young kids with a good attitude - I will get them a job guaranteed, that's my point! Lol

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By *bxxxMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Bring back national service I spend 8 yrs in army sorted me out,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Bring back national service I spend 8 yrs in army sorted me out, "

turned you into a sexual deviant you mean

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Have plenty of experience in people management and you get bad workers at all ages. perhaps going to university and being saddled with massive debts makes the young more ambitious. I am constantly pointing out to my directors that you will not keep graduates by paying low wages, they will get what they want from the role and then move on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And I would say more uni grads then not are the ones with the lazy attitude!

They probably assume a degree will get you into a higher paid job. You need Alevels to be a receptionist at some companies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While I don't believe this is true for all young people there does seem to be an increasing amount of 'Generation Y' (Google the Huffington post article, it's amusing) who seem to think they are entitled to more. That said I have noticed this trend changing significantly over the last year or so and we have been recruiting some amazing grads and tradesmen (and women!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being snobby about which work you'll take isn't the same as being ambitious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being snobby about which work you'll take isn't the same as being ambitious."

that's a given

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not too good to work in a call center.

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By *bxxxMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Bring back national service I spend 8 yrs in army sorted me out,

turned you into a sexual deviant you mean

So true but I got manners at least lol

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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

You need Alevels to be a receptionist at some companies "

Don't get me started I worked in the NHS for a few years and once had a job description passed to me to check which stipulated that a basic secretary was to have a degree, spent two days arguing with the manager over that one.

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By *ove121LustCouple
over a year ago

LaLa Land

and soooo many don't even go to interviews?!!

When I was younger and looking for work I went by foot to businesses and didn't stop till I found a job! I wasn't bothered about what I did.

I love telling them to pull their heads in and that in fact they are not to good to work in a call centre and they are worth much less than they like to believe!

I've been interviewing today Nd a lot if these kids don't have the basics (unless you count attitude as a basic)

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Youth is wasted on the young!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"While I don't believe this is true for all young people there does seem to be an increasing amount of 'Generation Y' (Google the Huffington post article, it's amusing) who seem to think they are entitled to more. That said I have noticed this trend changing significantly over the last year or so and we have been recruiting some amazing grads and tradesmen (and women!)"

young people are told to aim high. Reach for the stars. Strive to be the best. So,they work hard at school,work hard at University and expect to be rewarded. Someone should tell them they still have to start at the bottom,unless you know someone who can get you in the side door. Or your dad is rich and famous

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Actually I never said the word "all" anywhere. I said "so many".

And I would say more uni grads then not are the ones with the lazy attitude! "

Do you think your selection process might be at fault in any way? If you are getting so many through with this attitude is there a problem with the application process?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bearing in mind that recruitment businesses deal in people, the people that work within them are amongst some of the most obnoxious folk I have ever met : interested in little more than bonuses and when the Audi gets upgraded from an A3 to an A4 and willing to sell their Granny to get there.

The only time recruiters are interested in anyone is if they can generate revenue from them.

Without that they are worthless to them.

So when ambitious youths or graduates wanting a life better than that of a battery hen, they will be a hindrance to achieving quotas and worthy of berating.

And b4 anyone tells me I am wrong, I have worked my way up through recruitment from consultant to ops director and have achieved that through nurture rather than dismissal.

I have also met more than my fair share of twats in doing so.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Actually I never said the word "all" anywhere. I said "so many".

And I would say more uni grads then not are the ones with the lazy attitude!

Do you think your selection process might be at fault in any way? If you are getting so many through with this attitude is there a problem with the application process?"

Ah I've just re-read you work in an agency? Scrap what I said about the selection process

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only ever used recruitment agents out of desperation. Perhaps these kids are the same. The really good ones have already sorted themselves out. I have dealt with maybe two dozen recruitment agencies over the years. One was good and I knew one of the directors personally, the others were chocolate fireguards. Perhaps your company is just attracting dross? Change your settings!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you have to wonder if schools and colleges give them too high expectations. Its all praise these days even if they are poor at things. A good wake up call wouldn't harm in bringing them into reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what if they have unrealistic expectations? Is idealism really so bad? All that happens is they come back to earth with a bump.

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By *issLiss OP Couple
over a year ago

south east

"Bearing in mind that recruitment businesses deal in people, the people that work within them are amongst some of the most obnoxious folk I have ever met : interested in little more than bonuses and when the Audi gets upgraded from an A3 to an A4 and willing to sell their Granny to get there.

The only time recruiters are interested in anyone is if they can generate revenue from them.

Without that they are worthless to them.

So when ambitious youths or graduates wanting a life better than that of a battery hen, they will be a hindrance to achieving quotas and worthy of berating.

And b4 anyone tells me I am wrong, I have worked my way up through recruitment from consultant to ops director and have achieved that through nurture rather than dismissal.

I have also met more than my fair share of twats in doing so."

I completely agree with most of what you have said. And yes a lot of consults are mugs. It's business so yes if I can't do anything to place a candidate there is no business sense in spending anymore time on that candidate. However if the candidate has a good attitude, but I still can't help them for whatever reason, I always like to take the time out and still help that person in whatever way I can - whether that be cv advice, where to look for jobs, how to answer questions I always do because I do genuinely care and enjoy helping people.

I'm not talking about ambitious graduates - I'm talking about the ones who rather sit around on the dole and wait for their dream job to land in their lap! It is an attitude problem of a generation - when I was recruiting in industrial recruiting I would only hire a young British person if I was desperate and 9/10 times they would get fired before the week was out because of their laziness and bad attitude. For the person who mentioned no menial jobs well then you might want to look around at what all the immigrants are doing - jobs we think are beneath us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are hundreds of thousands of young british people who dont consider being on the brush or whatever as beneath them. Too many assumptions based on a section of youth that isnt representative of them as a whole.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"There are hundreds of thousands of young british people who dont consider being on the brush or whatever as beneath them. Too many assumptions based on a section of youth that isnt representative of them as a whole."

Yep!

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

and soooo many don't even go to interviews?!!

When I was younger and looking for work I went by foot to businesses and didn't stop till I found a job! I wasn't bothered about what I did.

I love telling them to pull their heads in and that in fact they are not to good to work in a call centre and they are worth much less than they like to believe!

Having worked in recruitment I have to say it not just the kids. I employed so many Eastern Europeans as they worked hard English wouldn't work for low wages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pass her the shovel lol. . . . Our son worked any hr he could during his a level yrs and since he has been in uni. . . He is doing his final exam and I have met many of the young people as you say from his uni who are very nice hard working youngsters who have been doing jobs and studying! So to generalise about youngsters or university students is very unfair. . . . I myself used to work in recruitment and see many young people straight from school and not all had a good start in life. . . But like some others have said our aim was to encourage and not run them down. . . Positive ideas leads to positive things. . . So please don't put all youngsters in your " waste of space box" ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a member of the younger generation it makes me laugh when people generalize all of us into one category. When in reality we all come from different backgrounds have different stories and different dreams. I'm 19 work a full time job, forty five hours a week, and attend college. And I know thousands of other kids who are doing the same. So don't look down on us by the actions of a few. In fact I don't even look down on the few who go to the recruitment office even if they have a sense of entitlement (they'll learn), at least they are attempting to get jobs, how many adults sit around all day living off welfare? (That I might add we all help pay for - even the younger generation)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Myself blame tv shows like big bro and co as all kids then think it's easier for 5mins of fame and the starlight , then knuckle down and do a bit of graft , will say not all are like this , also depends how they are brought up , to work or become benefit dependent

But in fairness to the kids of today , apprenticeships are not as freely available , IMO to the recruitment market as company's rather pay for labour by recruitment as then holiday pay , sickness are not payed so no incentive for the youth to take employment

Rant over kids eh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only time recruiters are interested in anyone is if they can generate revenue from them.

Without that they are worthless to them.

So when ambitious youths or graduates wanting a life better than that of a battery hen, they will be a hindrance to achieving quotas and worthy of berating.

And b4 anyone tells me I am wrong, I have worked my way up through recruitment from consultant to ops director and have achieved that through nurture rather than dismissal.

I have also met more than my fair share of twats in doing so.

Is it a problem created by youth or for youth tho ?

I believe many register with a recruiter to maintain their entitlement to benefits.

The wish list for roles is an extension of that. They know that they are not likely to be placed at the level they seek, whereas by agreeing to work in a call centre or a warehouse they will probably be placed.

The wily ones take the job and deliberately fuck it up and will be back on benefits within the month.

To a degree, they are more dangerous to your business than those with the wishlist of potential careers.

I do not believe that such mentalities are exclusive to youth but rather are a symptom of a failing economy, a change in business from heavy industry to service industries and an increasing reliance on the state to support their lives and lifestyle.

Like you, I have been vocal about the use of EU labour. Without it our business would be bolloxed (to use a technical term), the southern offices more so than those in the north and scotland.

At a time when industry is struggling, costs are being kept down and margins squeezed to a level that makes some business little more than turnover and the kudos of having them in your client portfolio, it is the use of such ready labour that makes the difference between profit and loss.

Not that EU workers will do it for a lower rate than a UK worker, but that they will do it at all.

None of these statements detract from what I said above and a good consultant will nurture any potential candidate and find somewhere to place them.

Communication and honesty remain key with both candidates and clients alike, something that a lot of recruiters fail to acknowledge or deliver on.

So whilst to a degree I acknowledge your opening statement, I think singling out youth is a little unfair.

I also think that it is up to you to become a more responsible recruiter. By becoming more responsible, you realise that whilst you can't help everyone, you can put some on the right track and grow others to being either a 'supertemp' or a perm employee with 1 of your clients.

Get that right and watch the pennies roll in.

Apologies for any typos, am ready for my bed but couldn't resist a pre bed rant.

Oh and if it comes across as teaching j to suck eggs, you have my apologies as that is not its intent.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

Not so long ago I had a mother of a statemented child tell me that it was wrong for here child to be told she could not do a course because she was not able to get GCSE maths and english!

Same person told me that all children should pass all exams because it was wrong to divide children into academic pass and fails and that everyone should be able to get a degree if they wanted one!

She is on this site and may read this.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

and soooo many don't even go to interviews?!!

When I was younger and looking for work I went by foot to businesses and didn't stop till I found a job! I wasn't bothered about what I did.

I love telling them to pull their heads in and that in fact they are not to good to work in a call centre and they are worth much less than they like to believe!

It's true,they expect more,but give less,as a percentage of any previous generations.

Unless they develop a manufacturing app,for the mobile phone,we're fucked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate the generalisation that young people are lazy

I've worked since 16 and have plenty to show for it. I'm proud of what I have from hard work

People of all ages can be lazy not just us youngsters

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