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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So it appear the party whose intention is to leave the EU has gained the most votes in the European election....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah odd that. Under UKIP would the Gurkhas who served this country loyally be seen as foreign scroungers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does seem strange that people have chosen the party that will not represent us in the EU to represent us in the EU. They vote no to everything whether it benefits the country or not, whilst filling their pockets from the expenses trough. No doubt they will be allying themselves with Frances Front National et all. Cognitive dissonance...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It just strikes me as rather strange logic to vote for a party whose main intention is to give-up the authority for which it is elected in the first place...

Oh-well.... I guess the people who voted for them thought it through...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah odd that. Under UKIP would the Gurkhas who served this country loyally be seen as foreign scroungers."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's the same story all over Europe, though. The vox populi is full of disillusionment and sees the European union as the having played a large part in the current state of austerity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh maybe people are just sick of our government pampering to everything the European union says and just want someone in there that will stand up and not be puppets . Just a suggestion

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So it appear the party whose intention is to leave the EU has gained the most votes in the European election....

I found the irony amusing.....and lost on many

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It just strikes me as rather strange logic to vote for a party whose main intention is to give-up the authority for which it is elected in the first place...

Oh-well.... I guess the people who voted for them thought it through...

Do you think the majority if voters think it through? I am starting to seriously doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It may be ironic. But for those who want to leave Europe, who else could they vote for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It may be ironic. But for those who want to leave Europe, who else could they vote for?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It just strikes me as rather strange logic to vote for a party whose main intention is to give-up the authority for which it is elected in the first place...

Oh-well.... I guess the people who voted for them thought it through...

Or maybe it is because people who voted for them are fed up of being feed the same old bullsh1t from the main parties about Europe. I am nearly 50 and have b

not in my voting life had any day on who were are heading head long into a European state controlled by Brussels and it's unelected commissioners . My father who voted all those years ago voted for a COMMON MARKET. The politicians in there wisdom have changed the game without going to the country to ask there opinion. Both labour and the conservatives have in their last 2 manifesto's promised us a referendum. .... but none are forth coming. Cameron says we can have one if we vote him back in. Not a chance of that now..... miliband has not said either way and the liberald democrats are full in favour of Europe. So where does that leave the disaffected voters like me. ..... sorry folks bank holiday rant over......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It just strikes me as rather strange logic to vote for a party whose main intention is to give-up the authority for which it is elected in the first place...

Oh-well.... I guess the people who voted for them thought it through...

Do you think the majority if voters think it through? I am starting to seriously doubt it.

well I did..... don't rank us all as idiots that's what the 3 main parties have done for years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Obviously the people who voted for UKIP have looked at there polices . Looked at what the aim to achieve in regards to Europe . So why people think that all UKIP supporters must be thick I can not understand .please explain

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"Obviously the people who voted for UKIP have looked at there polices . Looked at what the aim to achieve in regards to Europe . So why people think that all UKIP supporters must be thick I can not understand .please explain "

I doubt all have looked at their policies....some people are followers rather than leaders...some have extreme views regarding immigration and their right as they were born over here...

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By *rlicker123Man
over a year ago

gillingham kent

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't but I have repeatedly asked for a UKIP supporter to tell me their basic policies on health, education and welfare and only one person so far has come up with an answer.

I actually think that if you questioned many people about the manifesto of the party they voted for they would be hard put to tell you in detail but then they aren't in the forums telling people that they are daft for NOT voting UKIP.

I think it dangerous and stupid to ridicule or write off any political party that has such obvious support.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It may be ironic. But for those who want to leave Europe, who else could they vote for?"

No one with any clout, it doesn't make it any less ironic though.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"It just strikes me as rather strange logic to vote for a party whose main intention is to give-up the authority for which it is elected in the first place...

Oh-well.... I guess the people who voted for them thought it through...

Do you think the majority if voters think it through? I am starting to seriously doubt it.

well I did..... don't rank us all as idiots that's what the 3 main parties have done for years

I don't I said the majority, if you aren't in that don't include yourself.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

UKIP appeal directly to the ignorant and bigoted. That makes up a significant number of people able to vote in this country. That is the beginning and end of their success.

95% of UKIP voters haven't got a clue what the party stand for, apart from 'don't like foreigns or gays', and that suits them just fine.

Of course, to be fair to UKIP, 95% of voters don't have a clue what any of the parties stand for, beyond what they read in the headlines during the week preceding voting.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"Yeah odd that. Under UKIP would the Gurkhas who served this country loyally be seen as foreign scroungers."

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It may be ironic. But for those who want to leave Europe, who else could they vote for?"

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The great news about UKIP success is that of their 1.6 million extra votes, roughly half were from former Tory voters, and half from former BNP voters.

Labour's 1.1 mil gain was from Lib Dem voters.

If this is an indicator of voting at the general election, it points to further split on the right, and a galvanisation of the 'left'.

Not that that matters these days anyway, as both Labour and Tory are right wing. But at least the UK will get the moderate right wing in government with some vague echoes of socialism, rather than the current loony right.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

The whole point of UKIP is to eventually take us out of Europe they cant do what they promis without taking seats. The seats we have now have more clout especially with the way the rest of Europe have voted.

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The whole point of UKIP is to eventually take us out of Europe they cant do what they promis without taking seats. The seats we have now have more clout especially with the way the rest of Europe have voted.

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

They cannot take us out of the EU by being MEP's and they have the grand total of a big fat zero members of parliament. Of the few policies they have listed one is a flat rate of tax, the rich pay less, the working class will pay more...

Imagine what will happen to the car manufacturing industry in this country if they suddenly have to start paying import duties and VAT to export to Europe??? They will move their factories to Europe... Mini, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Vauxhall, Bentley and Rolls Royce all foreign or owned by foreign companies and all reliant on exporting their goods. UKIP says we will have a free trade deal with Europe, a bit like the SNP saying Scotland will keep the pound. This will apply to other manufacturing industries that rely on exports to the EU.

Cornwall has had many hundreds of millions of EU money for various schemes over the years, as have many areas outside of the South East, would they have got that money from central government? Farmers have struggled to get native citizens to work in the fields for 12 hours a day for minimum wage so we can have cheap food and milk in the supermarkets. Who is going to pick your cheap food if there are no migrant workers to pick it for you? There are pros and cons to everything we do, including being members of the EU.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I don't but I have repeatedly asked for a UKIP supporter to tell me their basic policies on health, education and welfare and only one person so far has come up with an answer.

I think it dangerous and stupid to ridicule or write off any political party that has such obvious support."

The reason you can't get an answer about UKIP's manifesto is simple. There isn't one.

Manifesto's are for general elections. No party has published one for the Euro's.

UKIP will work on it during the next few months and it will be published in time for next years campaign. As will the Tory, Labour, and Lib Dem ones.

It is true to say that much of the support for UKIP and others across Europe is a protest vote. Of course there will always be a disaffected few who will always protest, but this is much bigger.

In Britain EU resentment has been simmering for years. You can go as far back as the 1974 referendum to see the divisions that just joining a "Common Market" of nine nations caused. Yet we are now being pushed into a 28 country united states of Europe that nobody has given consent to. The issue dogged the Thatcher government for her entire premiership and in the end brought her down, and unless it is put to bed one way or another, it will do the same to many more British governments.

I would also say that the rest of Europe is starting to wake up to the idea of a united states, and judging by these results there is a very large rump of the European electorate who don't like it. They may still be a minority for now, but unless the mainstream party's start taking some notice of their own electorate it could be a majority sooner than they think.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

If Britain leave Europe and Scotland leave England does England turn into somethin else and we are goin to need either lots of chainsaws or one humungus mother.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear, its about time Labour and the LIb dems now offer a referendum on EU membership aswel as the tories. As Farage said in his victory speech, the penny is finally starting to drop with a lot of europe and the EU. The only real anti EU party worth voting for are UKIP, where else are people supposed to go if they want to send that message?

All the other parties are pro europe, they are out of touch. The Lib dems took the pro EU stance in their election campaign and they have lost all of their mep's but 1, tells you everything you need to know really.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

Of course MEP's can't take Britain out of Europe but they can be a serious pain in the arse to the federalists and while they wont have enough power to stop them, they can seriously slow them down.

I don't agree with your other points though. I very much doubt that the British car industry would be affected as much as you say. It is true that the EU could put up trade barriers on British goods, but would they want to? At the moment Britain has a trade deficit with the rest of Europe so any trade war would hurt them much more than it would hurt Britain.

"Cornwall has had many hundreds of millions of EU money for various schemes over the years"

I wouldn't dispute that, but many millions over the years isn't really a lot when you think that Britain gives Brussels 11 billion every year.

The only reason farmers can't find workers is because of a far to lenient benefit system. When there are nearly a million able bodied 18-24 year olds on the dole no country should have to import cheap manual labour.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

"If Britain leave Europe and Scotland leave England does England turn into somethin else and we are goin to need either lots of chainsaws or one humungus mother.

yes we will rekindle The Empire the rest of the world will shudder at our English mighty Roar??

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

How do you reconcile that with the fact that more people didn't vote for UKIP than did? Doesn't that suggest that they are the ones out of touch?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you reconcile that with the fact that more people didn't vote for UKIP than did? Doesn't that suggest that they are the ones out of touch?"

More people didn't vote for labour than did !!!

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

Of course MEP's can't take Britain out of Europe but they can be a serious pain in the arse to the federalists and while they wont have enough power to stop them, they can seriously slow them down.

"Cornwall has had many hundreds of millions of EU money for various schemes over the years"

I wouldn't dispute that, but many millions over the years isn't really a lot when you think that Britain gives Brussels 11 billion every year.

Just to add, cornwalls fishing industry has beed badly affected as a direct result of EU laws and fishing quotas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Media propaganda tagged UKIP racist, loonies etc.

whats wrong with CONTROLLED immigration? N Zealand, Canada, Australia all do it. If you live in a country in a ramshackle house and can come to the UK and get a FREE house, FREE money etc etc then why not come?

If you work, pay tax and help the country and the economy then WELCOME. You should not be eligible for BENEFITS for 5 years.

If that were the case then im sure the numbers would DROP.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME - PROSPER NOT BLEED US.

All mainstream parties have let UK down EVERYONE OF THEM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you look at the results across the whole of europe you will find that both left and right wing parties have done very well, perhaps the public across europe have had enough of the political classes who have represented them badly over the past 10 - 15 years or so.

In denmark, france, greece, italy, germany & spain the story was the same.

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By *uantock StagCouple
over a year ago

Minehead

I pay membership to two parties who both had candidates in this area but I did not vote for either. My reason for voting UKIP is to influence the 3 mainstream parties to take notice of the fact that the last vote on the EEC took place in 1972 before I was of voting age. Both my deceased parents regretted what that got us into. The point of the tactical / protest vote, and membership of fringe parties is to temper and influence the policy of the main ones. My prediction is during the Labour party conference a guaranteed vote on Europe will appear on their manifesto.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

'Nigel Farage is dealing with fresh allegations of racism and homophobia in his party only days after the local and European elections as Ukip was forced to launch an investigation into comments made by one of its newly elected councillors.

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Over the moon with the result...Me and a large group of ex-army pals had a great night cheering in the result's...and reading alot of posts from the armed forces guys this morning on my twitter..all behind UKIP....proud and happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't be asked to scroll back up to quote but someone made a good, and often overlooked, distinction. Being a member of the EU isn't what has caused the problems as people see them. It's the way that membership has been managed by various uk administrations. They could, arguably, get much more benefit from the EU than they do. But so could the average person. Technically, eu membership should mean that there are no additional tariffs on imported goods. At all. Not cars, appliances, cigarettes, nothing. Also, there shouldn't technically be limits to what products you can bring over from the continent or how many. It's not membership that causes these, but exploitation of loopholes by uk governments. There are more, but despite being a politics whore I'm knackered by wrestling with a cranky munchkin all morning.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

In the interest of balance, a labour council candidate in London (I don't know where) was charged, during the campaign, with child sex offences. It was too late for him to be removed from the ballot.

Given this and the refusal of two senior labour politicians to apologise for the PIE scandal, is this what labour voters are voting for?

Every party has their undesirables, does anyone know of the Tory slogan used in Wolverhampton back in the 60's for example?

Mud slinging is infantile and certainly no basis for debate.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

FFS give the racism a rest.

Even the bloody Daily Mail has given up on that nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can't be asked to scroll back up to quote but someone made a good, and often overlooked, distinction. Being a member of the EU isn't what has caused the problems as people see them. It's the way that membership has been managed by various uk administrations. They could, arguably, get much more benefit from the EU than they do. But so could the average person. Technically, eu membership should mean that there are no additional tariffs on imported goods. At all. Not cars, appliances, cigarettes, nothing. Also, there shouldn't technically be limits to what products you can bring over from the continent or how many. It's not membership that causes these, but exploitation of loopholes by uk governments. There are more, but despite being a politics whore I'm knackered by wrestling with a cranky munchkin all morning. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

If these comments are true then he is a very small minded invidual and hopefully he will be dealt with accordingly however no party is without their fools who make alleged racist comments just look at diane abbotts comments via twitter re taxi drivers, divide & rule & west indian mothers

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

In the interest of balance, a labour council candidate in London (I don't know where) was charged, during the campaign, with child sex offences. It was too late for him to be removed from the ballot.

Given this and the refusal of two senior labour politicians to apologise for the PIE scandal, is this what labour voters are voting for?

Every party has their undesirables, does anyone know of the Tory slogan used in Wolverhampton back in the 60's for example?

Mud slinging is infantile and certainly no basis for debate."

So you think what the Tories said over fifty years ago is comparable with what a UKIP councillor said three days ago?

Once again, from the other thread:

It's also the view of Sanya-Jeet Thandi, who resigned from the party as a leader of UKIP's youth wing, two weeks ago.

'A British Asian leader of Ukip’s youth wing has quit the party, branding it “racist” and “terrifying”.

Sanya-Jeet Thandi, who had been introduced at Ukip’s party conference as a future leader, said the party has abandoned its core supporters and now appealed to the “stupidity of ignorant anti-immigrant voters for electoral gain”.

"However, announcing her resignation on The Guardian website Miss Thandi said people with “racist views” had now been slipping through Ukip’s checks “time and time again”.

She wrote: “In order to convince society they are not racist they need to stop giving positions in the party to people with racist views.

“It is not good enough to say that these individuals just slipped through the net, time and time again. Yes, Ukip is still a relatively young party.

“No, that is not an excuse to allow racists to stand for election. Nor is it an excuse to exploit the ignorance in British society and indulge the racist vote by telling them 'they'll take your jobs'."

If UKIP voters are comfortable with that, what can you say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Expect this may be one of those protest votes, the Public telling our 'leaders' what we think about Europe. one the General election comes around doubt UKIP will be anywhere and we will be back to the right/left status quo.. UKIP are very vocal about Europe, but to be taken seriously they need policy's on education, health, welfare etc. They can take us out of Europe, then what?

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By *akedninjaMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Well said

"UKIP appeal directly to the ignorant and bigoted. That makes up a significant number of people able to vote in this country. That is the beginning and end of their success.

95% of UKIP voters haven't got a clue what the party stand for, apart from 'don't like foreigns or gays', and that suits them just fine.

Of course, to be fair to UKIP, 95% of voters don't have a clue what any of the parties stand for, beyond what they read in the headlines during the week preceding voting.

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By *akedninjaMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

Some very valid points that folk are quick to neglect

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

In the interest of balance, a labour council candidate in London (I don't know where) was charged, during the campaign, with child sex offences. It was too late for him to be removed from the ballot.

Given this and the refusal of two senior labour politicians to apologise for the PIE scandal, is this what labour voters are voting for?

Every party has their undesirables, does anyone know of the Tory slogan used in Wolverhampton back in the 60's for example?

Mud slinging is infantile and certainly no basis for debate.

So you think what the Tories said over fifty years ago is comparable with what a UKIP councillor said three days ago?

Once again, from the other thread:

It's also the view of Sanya-Jeet Thandi, who resigned from the party as a leader of UKIP's youth wing, two weeks ago.

'A British Asian leader of Ukip’s youth wing has quit the party, branding it “racist” and “terrifying”.

"However, announcing her resignation on The Guardian website Miss Thandi said people with “racist views” had now been slipping through Ukip’s checks “time and time again”.

She wrote: “In order to convince society they are not racist they need to stop giving positions in the party to people with racist views.

“It is not good enough to say that these individuals just slipped through the net, time and time again. Yes, Ukip is still a relatively young party.

If UKIP voters are comfortable with that, what can you say?"

Ok. What do you think of the Labour Party? Are they all guilty by association of promoting child sex? Are all labour supporters going to be on child sex charges?

Do you think Diane abbots racist comments should be addressed?

Have you tried engaging anyone on policy instead of insult?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im no politician but i can see the turning tide against all the beurocratic eurotrash that is flooding our laws our traditions our general way of life...

Of course MEP's can't take Britain out of Europe but they can be a serious pain in the arse to the federalists and while they wont have enough power to stop them, they can seriously slow them down.

"Cornwall has had many hundreds of millions of EU money for various schemes over the years"

I wouldn't dispute that, but many millions over the years isn't really a lot when you think that Britain gives Brussels 11 billion every year.

The only reason the Japanese manufacturers moved their production facilities to an EU country was because of the import restrictions brought in by the EU. So if their new plants are suddenly not in the EU anymore what are they going to do? If their products suddenly overnight become 20%+ more expensive in the rest of the EU it is going to effect their sales.

Do you think we can leave the EU and cherry pick the agreements we want to keep? Like the SNP wants to cherry pick what they want to keep from the UK? Why would the rest of the EU want us to be able to export our goods to the EU, to their detriment whilst not taking any of the rough with the smooth? The UK has a GNP of approximately $2.5 trillion, is 11 billion such a huge proportion? After the rebate is taken into consideration we have a deficit of approx 4.7 billion Euros. Some months we have 12 billion Euros worth of trade with other EU countries.

Replying to the other poster with reference to the fishing, we have raped the sea of a vast majority of the fish stocks. Fishermen do not want any no take zones which allow areas to become breeding grounds to help restock other fishable areas. A huge amount of UK fishermen have sold their quotas to French and Spanish fishermen, so whilst the catch is caught in UK waters it is landed abroad. The by catch rules are stupid, once it's caught and dead it should be landed and not ditched overboard, whether fishermen can be trusted not to target protected species is debatable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was a vote for (or against) the EEC and not a general election. Those voting for UKIP were not necessarily supporting them as a parliamentary party.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

The difference is when a UKIP candidate steps out of line they are quickly expelled from the party.

What happens when a Labour, Lib dem or tory candidate steps out of line?

They get a quick slap on the wrist for being naughty and carry on as normal. I know which method i prefer.

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over a year ago

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

The difference is when a UKIP candidate steps out of line they are quickly expelled from the party.

What happens when a Labour, Lib dem or tory candidate steps out of line?

They get a quick slap on the wrist for being naughty and carry on as normal. I know which method i prefer."

They are dismissing candidates at an alarming rate though...

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

In the interest of balance, a labour council candidate in London (I don't know where) was charged, during the campaign, with child sex offences. It was too late for him to be removed from the ballot.

Given this and the refusal of two senior labour politicians to apologise for the PIE scandal, is this what labour voters are voting for?

Every party has their undesirables, does anyone know of the Tory slogan used in Wolverhampton back in the 60's for example?

Mud slinging is infantile and certainly no basis for debate.

So you think what the Tories said over fifty years ago is comparable with what a UKIP councillor said three days ago?

Once again, from the other thread:

It's also the view of Sanya-Jeet Thandi, who resigned from the party as a leader of UKIP's youth wing, two weeks ago.

'A British Asian leader of Ukip’s youth wing has quit the party, branding it “racist” and “terrifying”.

"However, announcing her resignation on The Guardian website Miss Thandi said people with “racist views” had now been slipping through Ukip’s checks “time and time again”.

She wrote: “In order to convince society they are not racist they need to stop giving positions in the party to people with racist views.

“It is not good enough to say that these individuals just slipped through the net, time and time again. Yes, Ukip is still a relatively young party.

If UKIP voters are comfortable with that, what can you say?

Ok. What do you think of the Labour Party? Are they all guilty by association of promoting child sex? Are all labour supporters going to be on child sex charges?

Do you think Diane abbots racist comments should be addressed?

Have you tried engaging anyone on policy instead of insult?"

Why don't you try addressing those comments?

As for policy, they are laughable. Although the one about taxi drivers wearing uniforms is okay.

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By *akedninjaMan
over a year ago

edinburgh

What about the fact that there are a considerably high number of British born folk leeching this country dry having never worked a day in their lives nor ever having any intention to do as such and incidentally such individuals are the ones voting for bnp/ukip and complaining about immigrants taking our women and jobs?Haha perhaps we should ve more inclined to lead by example rather than looking to find fault with others when there is a more prominent issues with the culture of laziness that's plaguing us as alot of people dont seem to place a value on the merits of hard work and education as much as I've witnessed with many of the immigrants coming to this country who are willing to work their as off for pennies doing shit jobs that our able bodied "dole birds" find beneath them...a job is a job...if we're not willing to take the jobs that's amply available to us and work hard at it then we can't blame others for stepping up to the place and filling the void
"Media propaganda tagged UKIP racist, loonies etc.

If you work, pay tax and help the country and the economy then WELCOME. You should not be eligible for BENEFITS for 5 years.

If that were the case then im sure the numbers would DROP.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME - PROSPER NOT BLEED US.

All mainstream parties have let UK down EVERYONE OF THEM

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

I dont think the vote for UKIP is about supporting UKIP or even wanting out of Europe.

I think it is a vote against self-serving the political elitism that has become so arrogant that it refuses to listen to the people who elect them. The fact is that for the last 10+ years we have all been complaining that Labour, Lib Dem's and Tories are refusing to listen to us and are forcing us to consider voting for obnoxious xenophobic racists. Now that the country has spoken by either refusing to vote or voting UKIP the Tories et al are already looking for ways to ignore the obvious message that we have sent...

Maybe we will have to elect a UKIP government to make the troughers look up and stop their constant corrupt self serving money grabbing.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

Looking at all the comments on UKIP votes , if you work this a % , then how did they get any votes at all , as comments on here suggest that you all voted for someone else . Or never bothered to vote allowing this party some glory . But alas this his how Mr Hitler started , now one looked twice at the Hitler youth party in the early days . I think we now the rest .

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

The difference is when a UKIP candidate steps out of line they are quickly expelled from the party.

What happens when a Labour, Lib dem or tory candidate steps out of line?

They get a quick slap on the wrist for being naughty and carry on as normal. I know which method i prefer.

They are dismissing candidates at an alarming rate though..."

Shame Labour don't get rid of their deputy leader Harriet Harmen for being associated with a paedophile group back in the 1970's. Shame the Lib dems don't expel some of their cadidates for sexual assault claims. Shame the tories did'nt expell Maria miller for fiddling her expenses recently. You see a pattern emerging here......

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over a year ago

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

The difference is when a UKIP candidate steps out of line they are quickly expelled from the party.

What happens when a Labour, Lib dem or tory candidate steps out of line?

They get a quick slap on the wrist for being naughty and carry on as normal. I know which method i prefer.

They are dismissing candidates at an alarming rate though...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"What about the fact that there are a considerably high number of British born folk leeching this country dry having never worked a day in their lives nor ever having any intention to do as such and incidentally such individuals are the ones voting for bnp/ukip and complaining about immigrants taking our women and jobs?Haha perhaps we should ve more inclined to lead by example rather than looking to find fault with others when there is a more prominent issues with the culture of laziness that's plaguing us as alot of people dont seem to place a value on the merits of hard work and education as much as I've witnessed with many of the immigrants coming to this country who are willing to work their as off for pennies doing shit jobs that our able bodied "dole birds" find beneath them...a job is a job...if we're not willing to take the jobs that's amply available to us and work hard at it then we can't blame others for stepping up to the place and filling the voidMedia propaganda tagged UKIP racist, loonies etc.

If you work, pay tax and help the country and the economy then WELCOME. You should not be eligible for BENEFITS for 5 years.

If that were the case then im sure the numbers would DROP.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME - PROSPER NOT BLEED US.

All mainstream parties have let UK down EVERYONE OF THEM

I work and i pay my taxes and i voted UKIP. Never claimed benefits in my life. Labour are the ones to blame for promoting a benefits culture society, making a life on benefits cosy and comfortable. If young people are refusing to work and choose a life on benefits does'nt that tell you we need to make the benefits system a lot tougher than it is, and its about time we made work pay in this country again.

Incidently many of the young UKIP voters voted UKIP because they want to work but cannot find a job or an apprenticeship scheme anywhere. This is what a young UKIP voter said on ITV news a few weeks ago in a brief stop in the street interview.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

Ok, I'm out. It is so frustrating trying to talk to a blind bigot!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A typical UKIP representative revealed themselves on Saturday:

Dave Small, who was elected to Redditch borough council on Friday, faces being kicked out of the party for referring to gay people as "perverts" and African immigrants as "scroungers".

In comments posted on Facebook, he also attacked BBC broadcaster Clare Balding and singer Elton John over their sexuality and referred to "our sworn enemies in the Muslim world".'

That's what UKIP voters are voting for.

The difference is when a UKIP candidate steps out of line they are quickly expelled from the party.

What happens when a Labour, Lib dem or tory candidate steps out of line?

They get a quick slap on the wrist for being naughty and carry on as normal. I know which method i prefer.

They are dismissing candidates at an alarming rate though...

Were any of the the lib dems successfully prosecuted? If so yes should go, Harken and Miller should have gone.

IMO anyone that sticks their hands up and says I want to be a politician should automatically be banned from the job. Bunch of egotistical maniacs the lot of them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Looking at all the comments on UKIP votes , if you work this a % , then how did they get any votes at all , as comments on here suggest that you all voted for someone else . Or never bothered to vote allowing this party some glory . But alas this his how Mr Hitler started , now one looked twice at the Hitler youth party in the early days . I think we now the rest . "

Are you insinuating that UKIP are the same as the National Socialist German Workers Party ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It shows yet again what a big mistake uk are gonna do, when will they learn?lol.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

tony blair, harold wilson, gordon brown are you watching, keir hardie. the bbc, david cameron, winston churchill, the sun newspaper, margaret thatcher, ..your boys took a hell of a beating..

one for all the football fans,

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Godwin's law Alert! Godwin's law Alert!

This person has made a Nazi/Hitler comparison, so wins all arguments no matter how wrong they may be.

Educate yourself on the plight of the Jewish people before making such ridiculous comparisons.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Ok, I'm out. It is so frustrating trying to talk to a blind bigot!"

You mean you can't address the facts. You ask for them, and when they are presented, to you, you cry off.

There's no shame in recognising UKIP for what they are - the political home of racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes...and the ignorant.

The shame comes in supporting that party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, I'm out. It is so frustrating trying to talk to a blind bigot!"

OI!! I'm not blind

Gimp

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"It shows yet again what a big mistake uk are gonna do, when will they learn?lol."

By your own admission on many posts on here on various Fab forum threads, you are half German/half Swedish and happy to live a life here in the uk on benefits. No wonder you are anti UKIP. Why don't you find a job, pay some taxes and contribute to society in a positive way?

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over a year ago

Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

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over a year ago

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist."

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist."

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Are you insinuating that UKIP are the same as the National Socialist German Workers Party ?

Maybe he thinks UKIP want to start world war 3, start invading other european countries and taking control of other sovreign states, and then to set up concentration camps to exterminate the Jews?

Hitler/nazi comparisons to Farage and UKIP are complete and utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It shows yet again what a big mistake uk are gonna do, when will they learn?lol.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

There's no shame in recognising UKIP for what they are - the political home of racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes...and the ignorant.

The shame comes in supporting that party."

The real shame comes that the leaders of the 3 established parties have become so ignorant and arrogant that they are all forcing their supporters to vote for such people in order to force change!

And that not one of them has come forward to say that they have got the message and will put their houses in order!

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over a year ago

"Ok, I'm out. It is so frustrating trying to talk to a blind bigot!

You mean you can't address the facts. You ask for them, and when they are presented, to you, you cry off.

There's no shame in recognising UKIP for what they are - the political home of racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes...and the ignorant.

The shame comes in supporting that party."

do i take it you will not be voting for them then

Every party as members within them that have all the traits you describe above, they are not unique to UKIP.

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over a year ago

There's no shame in recognising UKIP for what they are - the political home of racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes...and the ignorant.

The shame comes in supporting that party.

The real shame comes that the leaders of the 3 established parties have become so ignorant and arrogant that they are all forcing their supporters to vote for such people in order to force change!

And that not one of them has come forward to say that they have got the message and will put their houses in order! "

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

There's no shame in recognising UKIP for what they are - the political home of racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes...and the ignorant.

The shame comes in supporting that party.

The real shame comes that the leaders of the 3 established parties have become so ignorant and arrogant that they are all forcing their supporters to vote for such people in order to force change!

And that not one of them has come forward to say that they have got the message and will put their houses in order! "

If the Lab/Lib/Con don't get the message i fully intend to vote UKIP in the general election aswel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UKIP can't actually get us out of Europe through this election result. All it does is give them a voice at the European Parliament, shaping the rules and regulations that Europe hand down. Only the UK Government can take us out of Europe, and UKIP are no where on that race currently. All this really demonstrates is that the public is fed up with Europe running our country to the extent that they do, which is hardly new news, and has been very evident for sometime. I'm not sure what more UKIP have really achieved.

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over a year ago

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago."

sorry are you insinuating that if they were in a position to do so they would drop bombs on innocent children

as for the alleged muslim quote by a newly elected councillor i havent read or heard it however is it convienent to forget remarks about taxi drivers, divide & rule and west indian mothers made by diane abbott on her twitter account.

there are fools from all walks of life it is not exclusive domain to one particular race, creed or colour.

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over a year ago

"UKIP can't actually get us out of Europe through this election result. All it does is give them a voice at the European Parliament, shaping the rules and regulations that Europe hand down. Only the UK Government can take us out of Europe, and UKIP are no where on that race currently. All this really demonstrates is that the public is fed up with Europe running our country to the extent that they do, which is hardly new news, and has been very evident for sometime. I'm not sure what more UKIP have really achieved. "

what they have achieved is to spark debate and for the political elite to listen to what the electorate want and thats europe wide not just the uk.

Its time for a full frank debate on what a federal run europe can offer the electorate and if the model that currently runs is not viable option then its time to look at all options such as the swiss model etc and make a informed decision free from interference and based on facts not political allegiances or slander campaigns.

i know what i describe is elysium however we can all dream cant we

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

And in the above you ever so eloquently give voice to the establishments self-serving, ignorant, arrogant and downright corrupt attitude that will give us an ultra right-wing UKIP government!

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... serious question...

for the people who voted UKIP.... since a lot of UK law has come out of EU and European legislation... would you then repeal all of that UK/EU law?

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago.

sorry are you insinuating that if they were in a position to do so they would drop bombs on innocent children

there are fools from all walks of life it is not exclusive domain to one particular race, creed or colour.

That's true...but as has been repeatedly observed, the incidence of idiots, racists, homophobes, sexists, xenophobes and ignorants of all stripes seems to be remarkably and disproportionately represented amongst UKIP's representatives and supporters.

And yes, if they had any governmental power, they would indeed be dropping bombs on innocent men, women and children.

Fortunately for us all, they never will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"okay... serious question...

for the people who voted UKIP.... since a lot of UK law has come out of EU and European legislation... would you then repeal all of that UK/EU law?"

_abio you spoilt it by getting serious

i didnt vote UKIP however i feel that all laws should be reviewed continually as a form of best practise or continous development.

Someone is now going to say they already are

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with?????

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over a year ago

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago.

sorry are you insinuating that if they were in a position to do so they would drop bombs on innocent children

there are fools from all walks of life it is not exclusive domain to one particular race, creed or colour.

And yes, if they had any governmental power, they would indeed be dropping bombs on innocent men, women and children.

Fortunately for us all, they never will."
You have opinions which are off the cuff and you can not back up with facts

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

UKIP have achieved first place in a national election for the 1st time. Its also the 1st time the Conservatives have ever come 3rd in any election (they have always either come 1st or 2nd before). It is the poilitical earthquake Farage said would happen months ago. I think he has every right to look smug and say.....I told you so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago.

sorry are you insinuating that if they were in a position to do so they would drop bombs on innocent children

there are fools from all walks of life it is not exclusive domain to one particular race, creed or colour.

And yes, if they had any governmental power, they would indeed be dropping bombs on innocent men, women and children.

Fortunately for us all, they never will."

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I suppose the people banging on about the alleged Muslim quote should really learn to speak and understand correct English.

Had he said "the Muslim world is our sworn enemy" then he would have been wrong and should be censured.

However what he allegedly said was "our sworn enemy's in the Muslim world" note the word "IN"

The last time I looked Al Qaeda were our sworn enemy and are in the Muslim world.

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By *lassyandadventurousMan
over a year ago

England and Wales

i voted ukip so that they could stick up for us in europe... the op has got it all wrong

euro is a farce and costing us all money so ukip have got our power now to look after british people.

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over a year ago

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with?????"
you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i voted ukip so that they could stick up for us in europe... the op has got it all wrong

euro is a farce and costing us all money so ukip have got our power now to look after british people.

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I love common sense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they have come first in the UK portion of an European election, a national election would have put them in the houses of parliament with a prime minister...

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over a year ago

"I suppose the people banging on about the alleged Muslim quote should really learn to speak and understand correct English.

Had he said "the Muslim world is our sworn enemy" then he would have been wrong and should be censured.

However what he allegedly said was "our sworn enemy's in the Muslim world" note the word "IN"

The last time I looked Al Qaeda were our sworn enemy and are in the Muslim world.

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over a year ago

"Can i assure all you people worried about UKIP...UKIP..Will not be dropping bombs and killing innocent children and women in their own homeland's...we are not that racist.

Only because they will never be in a position to.

'Our sworn enemies in the Muslim world', said a newly elected UKIP councillor, three days ago.

sorry are you insinuating that if they were in a position to do so they would drop bombs on innocent children

there are fools from all walks of life it is not exclusive domain to one particular race, creed or colour.

And yes, if they had any governmental power, they would indeed be dropping bombs on innocent men, women and children.

Fortunately for us all, they never will."

you cannot honestly believe what you have just written regarding dropping bombs on people sorry but i cannot that comment seriously and as for your insinuation that the party attracts a certain type of person with certain traits im sorry but again i cannot take that comment seriously as lots of labour , conservative and liberal democrats have chosen to vote for UKIP at the last two elections therefore have they now developed these unsavoury traits and if they then go back to the main three parties they then become good citizens again.

Any traits are already in the electorate as they are human traits and not indoctrinated into the electorate by the political parties.

Perhaps i am naive however i always try and see good in everyone and do not brand people because they choose to vote for a legally entitled political party in great britain.

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over a year ago

Farage is a disgrace lets keep.it real in my view the benefits of being in european single market outweigh the negatives.

Example and majorly important piece of european legislation which benefits folk on lower end of financial spectrum is minimum wage. Do I think it should be higher yes indeed.

Tories never wanted it simply as means to keep low paid in cheque.

Ukip if they win even one seat in parliament will suprise me as apart from get us out of europe stance they suggest no other policies of substance.

The little englanders brigade are so deluded its staggering.

We live in global trade areas and if we were out of europe our trade bargaining power would be negligible.

Lets suppose for a moment we close the doors on immigration then other countries could do same and on turn stop folk from uk.migrating or working there.

As I hope get a reality check soon and in a referendum folk accept we are better in than out will ukip accept it and dissolve as a party and either way not accept payment from.the body they want no involvement with.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with?????"

Shall we start with HS2. Again UKIP seem to be the only party that are against it (maybe along with the greens).

Lab/lib/con are all in favour of HS2. How about taking back control of our courts and judiciary system. "No" to the right for prisoners being allowed to vote. Deport criminals and terrorist like Abu Hamza a lof quicker than the 10 years it took because of the interference from the european court of human rights. Scrap the green energy laws that come from brussels that hike up our domestic energy bills and get fracking to bring energy bills down. (No one is going to tackle climate change while countries like China are building 2 coal fired power stations per week and do you really want to be reliant on russia for our gas?

Take back control of our fishing and agricultural industries which are tied up to the eyeballs in red tape from the EU. "No" to our armed forces being sent off to fight in foreign wars that don't concern us. All these things are what UKIP are in favour of and i think its a damn good start. There are many more things UKIP what to do but i think there is plenty there for you to look at.

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over a year ago

and Jigsaw and willwill...

Guys you are all correct in your opinion, I just don't see this as such a huge surprise/thing. It's been evident for sometime that the public is fed up with immigration, Court of human rights and the rest of it, this is just our way of re-enforcing the point. I fully expect UKIP to be also ran's in the GE next year. As I said earlier, they are very vocal on Europe, but don't seem to have much in the way of health education and all the other issues that the country faces. Worst case, I'm wrong and they get elected as part of another collation. They force through the referendum which is passed and we exit Europe (I'm not totally against that idea I hasten to add) then ride off into the sunset thinking what a good job they have done leaving the rest of the job to whoever is left behind. A political party needs a 'balanced' (yea, I know!)agenda covering all aspects not just one they fancy

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

No they have come first in the UK portion of an European election, a national election would have put them in the houses of parliament with a prime minister..."

The european election was a nation wide election in the UK (of which UKIP came first with the most number of MEP's and also its 1st MEP in scotland so it really is a national party now).

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"UKIP can't actually get us out of Europe through this election result. All it does is give them a voice at the European Parliament, shaping the rules and regulations that Europe hand down. "

.............only one problem with the above...

UKIP european parliament voting policy is to actually vote against EVERYTHING

that means all those pieces of policy that could positively effect UK society and help UK citizens both here and in Europe...

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over a year ago

Remember we have first past the post system.in uk european elections are based on proportional.representation so while figures are being bandied around I cannot see them getting a seat in our parliament.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with????? you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies "

but those are the two that we all know about.... what about everything else???

go on... shock me!!!!

any other policy.......

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Remember we have first past the post system.in uk european elections are based on proportional.representation so while figures are being bandied around I cannot see them getting a seat in our parliament."

The bbc and sky news can. Their initial analysis from the election results in the local elections and the european elections predict UKIP to get at the very least 1 MP elected in the general election. Some political commentators even estimate it could be somewhere between 5 and 10 UKIP MP,s in the general election.

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over a year ago

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with????? you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies

but those are the two that we all know about.... what about everything else???

go on... shock me!!!!

any other policy......."

Have you tried reading other peoples' posts? Try the one 5 posts above, see how you get on.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with????? you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies

but those are the two that we all know about.... what about everything else???

go on... shock me!!!!

any other policy......."

Fabio i refer to you my comment somewhere above in reply to your question. I just outlined many areas of UKIP policy they want to see implemented. I forgot to add that if we left the EU we would save around 53 million per day in membership fees and UKIP also want to cut the foreign aid budget in a big way. Money saved in those areas would be pumped into more nurses, doctors and police. Also a flat rate of tax for everyone in this country is what UKIP are in favour of.

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over a year ago

"UKIP can't actually get us out of Europe through this election result. All it does is give them a voice at the European Parliament, shaping the rules and regulations that Europe hand down.

.............only one problem with the above...

UKIP european parliament voting policy is to actually vote against EVERYTHING

that means all those pieces of policy that could positively effect UK society and help UK citizens both here and in Europe..."
Can you list these positive policies that would positively have help Britain.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with????? you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies

but those are the two that we all know about.... what about everything else???

go on... shock me!!!!

any other policy.......

Have you tried reading other peoples' posts? Try the one 5 posts above, see how you get on.

How convenient he missed out my post, Lmao.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and Jigsaw and willwill...

Every party as good and bad policies and politians i am not sure what will happen in 2015 as it was once quoted " a week is a long time in politics" however what i cannot except is that if someone decides to vote for a certain party then they develop certain traits.

I watched V for Vendetta again recently and when the leader kept trying to force his views on to the masses they ignored him and made up their own mind there are comparisons with what as happened in the press the last month or so were the three main parties have lambasted UKIP however the electorate chose to vote the way they did.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with?????

Shall we start with HS2. Again UKIP seem to be the only party that are against it (maybe along with the greens).

with regards to HS2.... I think it is a a case of people in the north liking the idea... and people in the south having "NIMBY" syndrome.....

I actually think there is a trick being missed with HS2... build it from the North down... rather than from the south up!!! that way it would actually improve rail times between northern cities and place less reliance on the south

the only interference in the abu hamza case was that they (actually under UK law and not EU law... but was backed up by the ECHR) dont deport to countries where the death penalty is a possible sentence or where torture can be used to gain evidence... which is why when the US took the death penalty off the table he could be extridited... same with Abu Quatda and Jordan where the did both (no death penalty... evidence gained by using torture was made inadmissable)

actually the Green Energy laws and the Subsidies were brought in the UK again on their own (the UK go way over and above the EU standard on this) Fracking will bring its own issues both enviromental and from the "NIMBY" brigade.... remember when the suggestion was made with regards to fracking in the south and the tory pier got into the saying "it was better doing it in the north... not so much up there!!"..... I am sure UKIP will keep that one quiet in the tory heartlands.......

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over a year ago

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with????? you cannot leave those two policies aside as they effect everyday lives and cross into other policies

but those are the two that we all know about.... what about everything else???

go on... shock me!!!!

any other policy......."
From what I can see it have been answered a few times on this thread and others . But obviously some people are all reading the ones they want to read

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Without re posting the whole quote. It was said earlier in the thread about the damage that Britain leaving the EU would do to motor manufacturing in Britain, and that Britain wouldn't be able to cherry pick agreements with the EU.

I beg to differ, and will say why.

Next time you are on a car park or drive up a motorway take a quick mental note of how many Audi's BMW's Mercedes, and VW's you see. Britain is one of Germany's biggest export markets for cars, do you really think that the German government would risk flushing it down the toilet just out of spite? Especially at a time when German car factories are closing.

Next time you go to Tesco, Asda, or wherever start at the fruit and veg and make a mental note of the country's of origin. You will see Italy, Greece, Holland, France and Spain. Do you think that the farmers in those country's would allow their government to shut down such a market in a fit of pique? After the fruit and veg, move on to the wine aisle. Britain is France's biggest export market for wine, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Germany also export huge amounts. Do you think that the producers in those country's would allow the EU to shut it all down?

There are many other examples I could quote but I think you get the drift.

An independent Britain would be in a very strong position in any negotiations and would certainly be able to cherry pick. BTW do you know which country we get cherry's from

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

any other policy....... From what I can see it have been answered a few times on this thread and others . But obviously some people are all reading the ones they want to read "

seems that works both ways...

i was busy answering mine back....

whats your excuse?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

with regards to HS2.... I think it is a a case of people in the north liking the idea... and people in the south having "NIMBY" syndrome.....

And you don't think the people who live on the proposed route of HS2 object to it? Having the countryside ruined or high speed trains whizzing past their houses at 200mph so someone can get from London to Brimingham half hour quicker than what it takes already with the existing lines? Not to mention the ever growing and spiralling out of control cost it will take to build the whole thing?

With deportation of criminals and terrorists, the truth is it will be a lot quicker without interference from the european court of human rights.

People seem to be in denial about how green, the green energy like solar power is. Look at how solar panels are made, from raw materials to the manufacturing process, its far from a low carbon environmentally friendly process.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Scapegoatering has long been fertile ground for nascent political parties..the EU, immigration..a perceived corrupt and complacent political elite...targets identified as reasons for the social, political, and economic ills of the nation.

The difficult part comes when those political parties are faced with the responsibility of their policies when they have power.

Politicians seldom remain popular for long. Populist parties tend towards a very short shelf life.

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By *illwill69uMan
over a year ago

moston

"Without re posting the whole quote. It was said earlier in the thread about the damage that Britain leaving the EU would do to motor manufacturing in Britain, and that Britain wouldn't be able to cherry pick agreements with the EU.

I beg to differ, and will say why.

There are many other examples I could quote but I think you get the drift.

An independent Britain would be in a very strong position in any negotiations and would certainly be able to cherry pick. BTW do you know which country we get cherry's from

So just to sum up your argument and reasoning:

Because the UK no longer has a motor industry or the ability to feed itself and relies on Europe to keep us moving and fed we are in a strong position and can dictate terms to the Europeans.

Somehow that just does not sound right to me.

As for German car factories closing, do you maybe think that the German owners of the Roles Royce, Bentley and Mini plants might just decide to close them and move production to Germany if we leave the EU, and that just maybe the American and Japanese car manufacturers who use this country as their European base because we are in the EU but our politicians do everything to water down EU employment regulations may also decide to move their production in order to keep the advantages of assembling their products inside the EU?

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Both Tory and ukip want European legislation and laws to end

Thats workers rights included

they are both self serving up their own arse cunts..you may end up lucky enough to have a UKip&Tory coalition government if the trend carries on.

Hope to fuck we are well out of it.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"Both Tory and ukip want European legislation and laws to end

Thats workers rights included

they are both self serving up their own arse cunts..you may end up lucky enough to have a UKip&Tory coalition government if the trend carries on.

Hope to fuck we are well out of it.

As an independent Scotland you'd be free to join the EU so you can be fucked over by them. An independent Scotland would also mean Labour lose a big share of their vote in the general election. I do hope a tory/ukip coalition is formed so we can leave the whole sorry mess the EU has now become.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Is anyone actually surprised that UKIP did so well in the euro elections?. This is the voters way of sticking two fingers up at the main parties and saying you don't listen to our concerns and we have the power to vote you out, so we are going to vote for a left field choice like UKIP. I decided not to vote for the first time ever as i couldn't bring myself to vote UKIP, but the arrogance of the 3 main parties meant i wasn't going to vote for them.

If the EU was a private company it would have gone bust years ago - why the hell does it have to have 2 bases in strasbourg and Brussels?. How many years have the auditors not signed off the accounts because there is so much fraud?. It would be interesting to see if you sacked the whole of the EU staff, how they would fare in the real world where making a profit determines whether you have a job still.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

I beg to differ, and will say why.

There are many other examples I could quote but I think you get the drift.

An independent Britain would be in a very strong position in any negotiations and would certainly be able to cherry pick. BTW do you know which country we get cherry's from

So just to sum up your argument and reasoning:

Because the UK no longer has a motor industry or the ability to feed itself and relies on Europe to keep us moving and fed we are in a strong position and can dictate terms to the Europeans.

Somehow that just does not sound right to me.

Ever heard the phrase The customer is always right?

If it had to of course Britain can feed itself, but it doesn't need the EU for food imports. I'm sure many other country's from outside the EU would love to fill the vacuum. Remember New Zealand lamb or Jaffa oranges?

As for the motor industry (which I spent my entire working life in) Britain now has quite a strong manufacturing base, albeit in foreign ownership, but the demand for German built cars in the UK is still very high and the Germans would never want to give up the UK market, it is far too important for them. So they would negotiate a deal. Would the owners of Rolls Royce, Bentley, or Mini relocate production to Germany? I very much doubt it. Firstly all three are quintessentially British brands and I don't think a Bentley made in Stuttgart would quite have the same image. Funnily enough the factories that are closing and/or contracting here are the ones in American ownership most notably the Opel plant at Bochum (just down the road from us)

Honda, Toyota, and Nissan have a big presence in the UK and yes I have to agree they all came to Britain because of its EU membership. But that doesn't mean they would up sticks to a sclerotic France or a high overhead Germany at the first whiff of a UK withdrawal. As I have said the EU would be forced to get a deal as soon as possible because of the pressure from the German motor industry.

You have to remember that Britain has a trade deficit with the EU not a surplus, so like in every other business it is the seller who looks for customers not the other way around.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Just to add to my last post.

China isn't in the EU but it doesn't stop them exporting to Britain and the rest of the EU. However any reciprocal deal has to be negotiated through Brussels and quite often Britain gets the imports but Germany and France get the exports.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just to add to my last post.

This is interesting. I don't doubt you, but do you have links for this, I'd quite like to read about it.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Just to add to my last post.

This is interesting. I don't doubt you, but do you have links for this, I'd quite like to read about it."

You could start with Google or Wiki.

At the moment the EU is in negotiations with China over a free trade deal. But that is the whole point, it is the EU doing the negotiating on Britain's behalf.

As an example of the problems caused by centralised trade deals this could be of interest as it involves a commonwealth country.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/long-waits-mean-trade-deals-are-rarely-catch-all-solutions/article18836396/

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over a year ago

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

Our forces go off to fight in other countries because we're in NATO. Not because we're in the EU. And should the decision be made to never send our troops anywhere ever again what would be the point of having said troops? To man the anti-immigrant machine gun nests at the ports? So, there's our defence industry in the crapper and a few hundred thousand unemployed.

Our fisheries are regulated for a reason. They are a finite resource and we're not the only ones with access to the sea. EU policy being to try and preserve dwindling fish stocks. Aside from the disastrous throw back policies of course. But correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere that Farage actually sat on the EU fisheries committee and did sweet FA. When he had chance to make a difference to this country.

And sweeping aside all climate change measures, just because another country can't be bothered? We should do it because we CAN and it's actually the right thing to do. And because our energy is so scarce I think we're actually paying very little. Fracking isn't the answer, regardless of the big headlines it made this week. The big Fracking project in California got downgraded by 96% of its initial estimate of barrels of oil this week also, as it's too difficult to do. The Weald basin will be the same.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

All UKIP are good at is telling people what their problems are, and who is to blame. They have fuck all else to say. And fuck me if it isn't the foreigners, gays, poor people to blame. Not the people who are actually to blame. An apathetic electorate who've been spoonfed shiny shite for years because as long as they have an iphone, xfactor and a foreign holiday a year they're happy.

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over a year ago

UKIP only appeal to people who are already euro-sceptic and anti-immigration, they are convincing absolutely no one else. They aren't pulling across the 'unsures' and they certainly aren't convincing people who are pro-Europe to change their minds.

If you look at the polling for a possible in/out referendum - http://tinyurl.com/l74qjmv - you'll see something interesting. Last year there was only one poll where more people said they wanted to stay in than leave the EU. Yet this year the polls show a big swing where people have been fairly consistently in favour of staying in. Now you can't say for sure that this is down to people being so put off by UKIP's rise in popularity that they are becoming more pro-EU (correlation does not equal causation and all that) but it does make interesting reading.

Basically UKIP's surge in these elections might be great for them as a party but they might well be doing damage to the euro-sceptic cause overall.

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over a year ago

I beg to differ, and will say why.

There are many other examples I could quote but I think you get the drift.

An independent Britain would be in a very strong position in any negotiations and would certainly be able to cherry pick. BTW do you know which country we get cherry's from

So just to sum up your argument and reasoning:

Because the UK no longer has a motor industry or the ability to feed itself and relies on Europe to keep us moving and fed we are in a strong position and can dictate terms to the Europeans.

Somehow that just does not sound right to me.

Ever heard the phrase The customer is always right?

You have to remember that Britain has a trade deficit with the EU not a surplus, so like in every other business it is the seller who looks for customers not the other way around."
Nissan have already said they would have to reevaluate their position in the UK if it was to leave the UK. Obviously this would depend upon what trade deals are made. In the same way as certain companies are considering an exit from Scotland should they become independent of the UK.

People are starting to sound like the Scottish nationalists, in that we can leave behind everything we don't like and just go for what we do. Can't see it happening myself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave the EU...

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over a year ago

any other policy....... From what I can see it have been answered a few times on this thread and others . But obviously some people are all reading the ones they want to read

seems that works both ways...

i was busy answering mine back....

whats your excuse?

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I don't have one mate . I don't need to justify to anyone the reasons why I vote for a particular party

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By *mnipotent_BehemothMan
over a year ago

near Merry Hill shopping centre

The problem is with the party system, its even fucking up local politics now, so people have voted for something diffrent.

We now have a system were we have no real democracy in this country, someone goes and does a politics degree at university gets noticed by a party and dropped into a seat as either local or national politics, where the democracy in that you can only vote for who they want you to vote for.

I think things will get better when local people stand for election to represent the people they live with, local goverment used to be like this but is now being perverted by party politics and the voter turn out will keep dropping. How to fix it no idea, but we have a system that needs fixing maybe Ukip will shock the politicians who are all on a gravy train anyway to take a step back somehow I doubt it and the removal of democratic rights will be further eroded leaving only the thinest of illusion,

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

okay... question for you and the other UKIP voters, that gets asked a lot, and not many UKIP supporters answer...

lets take "leaving the EU" and "immigration" out because we know where they stand with those.....

what OTHER policies do UKIP have that you agree with?????

Shall we start with HS2. Again UKIP seem to be the only party that are against it (maybe along with the greens).

So if we don't do HS2 and both west and east coast mIn lines are already operating at near full capacity.. What happens? How can capacity be further increased? Call it HS2 or call it west coast 2, it is irrelevant, more track capacity is needed and if we are going to build a new network that is needed anyway.. Why not build a good one?

The myth of the ECHR is that it is detached from The EU. Leaving the EU will not rid us of the ECHR and in any event I think that you will find UK law just as anal as anything that comes from Europe. You also need to remember that we still have to adhere to UN human rights conventions and any one sided laws will not last very long.

If you go your own way with fishing and Agricultural policies and therefore give the UK an unfair competitive edge... Don't be surprised if sanctions and/or punitive tariffs come the other way.

As for the UK intervention in foreign wars... I think that you are confusing the EU with NATO. Simple mistake for UKIPPERS to make. We have heard it a few times.

There are other UKIP policies that I personally find favour with but I doubt that they would win many votes:

Simplified tax code. Abolish NI and have one standard rate of tax for all so that everyone contributes the same in percentage terms irrespective of income.

Dismantling of the current welfare set up and returning it to its original intention as a safety net. The vice Chairman of UKIP said on QT last year that "the Chancellor would have you believe that big cuts have been made and more have to made, I can tell you that that far for difficult decisions have to be made in this respect."

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I beg to differ, and will say why.

There are many other examples I could quote but I think you get the drift.

An independent Britain would be in a very strong position in any negotiations and would certainly be able to cherry pick. BTW do you know which country we get cherry's from

So just to sum up your argument and reasoning:

Because the UK no longer has a motor industry or the ability to feed itself and relies on Europe to keep us moving and fed we are in a strong position and can dictate terms to the Europeans.

Somehow that just does not sound right to me.

Ever heard the phrase The customer is always right?

You have to remember that Britain has a trade deficit with the EU not a surplus, so like in every other business it is the seller who looks for customers not the other way around.Nissan have already said they would have to reevaluate their position in the UK if it was to leave the UK. Obviously this would depend upon what trade deals are made. In the same way as certain companies are considering an exit from Scotland should they become independent of the UK.

People are starting to sound like the Scottish nationalists, in that we can leave behind everything we don't like and just go for what we do. Can't see it happening myself."

The UK will go back into recession if the UK votes to leave the EU. The pound will fall and the stock market will fall. Simple reason is that business likes stability and continuity. However long that recession might last is another matter but there will be casualties because as you say, we can't pick and choose what we want to keep if we are no longer at the table.

The foreign owned motor vehicle manufacturing companies will be most at risk of an exit but we have lost those jobs before and so they are possibly viewed as acceptable casualties.

The only way that I can see a UK out of Europe being in any way immediately successful is if we suddenly become a low tax state and attract business (and therefore employment) because of low taxes. At the moment, we are a high tax country and so an exit would be pretty catastrophic - at least in the short term.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a quick note here , the northern European countries subsidies the southern European countries , the northern ones are getting pissed off with the antiques of the southern ones.

Only reported here the other week was how millions of Euros was supposed to be spent for retraining the masses of unemployed here but it somehow ended up in the back pockets of the greedy corrupt politicians this country seems to have in abundance .

A united Europe was in theory a good idea but it was floored from the off as unlike the USA who it was supposed to mimic no two countries spoke the same language.

As the rest of Europe found out to its peril Spain , Portugal and Greece loved the hand outs but didn't want to play ball when it was time to give and as far as equal opportunities there isn't one non Spanish taxi driver in the municipal that we live in and by there own admission they never will be ......racist or not ?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear."

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So it appear the party whose intention is to leave the EU has gained the most votes in the European election....

that's because the type of people who have voted for them cant see past get the immigrants out

i don't think a lot realise they have other policy's

where i live most have voted ukip and what they don't realise is if ukip get in next years and we do leave the EU its their voters who will be hit the hardest

if they do get in no buggers going to want to live here anyway, who's going to want to work in a country they have no rights in

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?"

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory."

Thanks..

on the voting being compulsory I tend to agree..

apathy is the real winner for political parties..

usually the moaning fuckers who cant be arsed to exercise their right are the ones who bleat on about how crap etc democracy is ..

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

Apart from the last sentence I've never read such rubbish.

But in the end you are right.

An apathetic electorate who've been spoonfed shiny shite BY LIB/LAB/CON for years because as long as they have an iphone, xfactor and a foreign holiday a year they're happy.

But those days are coming to an end, sooner than you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory."

Along with compulsory voting I'd like to see local candidates only, for example having to live in the area for 3 to 5 years minimum before standing for election, one of our local MP's who is a yes person for the labour party comes from Dagenham... She basically gets a pass into parliament by way of a safe Labour seat.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory."

Tell that to Slovakia. They got 13% makes the UK's 35-36% look quite healthy.

As for compulsory voting. While it does have its merits it could be the thin end of a very thick wedge.

How long before all political party's have to be licensed? and only "approved" ones will be allowed?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By *otlovefun42Couple
over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory.

And on that one I'm 100% behind you.

Apart from the compulsory voting.

After 2 bollox up's I finally got it right.

It's been a long day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

just for casting your vote you bad man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

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dont worry about it i wiped my arse with my polling card at least you ain't cuckoo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The people of the UK have spoken loud and clear.

What was the turn out of the 'people of the UK'..?

Population circa 70 million. Voting population circa 50 million. Turnout 35% (17-18 million).

This is the biggest scandal of all. People fight and die for the right to have a vote in many parts of the world and yet in this country two thirds can't even be bothered.

Voting should be compulsory.

And on that one I'm 100% behind you.

Apart from the compulsory voting.

After 2 bollox up's I finally got it right.

It's been a long day

I look at the results and think my 1 vote didn't make a difference to the result, so why bother? If everyone had to vote...

Haven't checked but I think even general elections only get about 45% turnouts.

Disillusionment or apathy? I know very few countries have compulsory voting, and the various parties don't want to increase voter levels, in my living memory, after a maximum of 12 years as the opposition, they'll get another crack of the whip. I was quite happy with a coalition government, less of a free reign for one of the major parties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

You forgot facist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck me.

This time last week i was a fair minded, sociable, free thinking, intelligent and caring human being.

Now, less than a week later, i'm a racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic ignorant bigot.

Deary me.

Mind you, on the plus side, i'm too old to be conscripted to the Farage Youth.

You forgot facist

No i didn't.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

compulsory voting ...interesting concept ...so we would have people with no interest in politics putting a cross into a box of someone they have never heard of because they have been told they have to and influencing the outcome of an election ...great idea !!! ...lets get this in place !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"compulsory voting ...interesting concept ...so we would have people with no interest in politics putting a cross into a box of someone they have never heard of because they have been told they have to and influencing the outcome of an election ...great idea !!! ...lets get this in place !!!"

Works for Australia.

A none of they above box could be added.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

Apart from the last sentence I've never read such rubbish.

But in the end you are right.

An apathetic electorate who've been spoonfed shiny shite BY LIB/LAB/CON for years because as long as they have an iphone, xfactor and a foreign holiday a year they're happy.

But those days are coming to an end, sooner than you think."

Hope you realise how sinister the last paragraph was..and by the way the self elected intelligentsia were saying the same thing about cheap papers..cheap novels...and the music hall in late Victorian times and with WW1 they got the cull they wanted.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

you seemed to have missed my point totally ..

we are all jumping up and down about ukip . and as with any party in power they can make or change laws and legislation ie ban swinging and impose say a 30 jail term We ignore such bigoted people at are own risk , so hence my comments about the hitler youth being ignored across Europe and look what happened To insinuate that im a racist don't understand the plight of jews who by the way are at this moment trying to impose there will on the people of Palestine is rather wide of the mark

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

No not a narrow minded little englander, you see UKIP can see outside of the EU and realise there is a whole wide world out there to trade with besides the EU. You see it is something called the modern world and a global market. Its the pro EU brigade who are narrow minded, grasping at straws to justify a crumbling, outdated model for what they want to call the united states of europe. It was meant to bring peace and harmony to europe but instead it is stoking the fires of separation and unrest.

As for our armed forces and nato, that did not apply to an illegal war in Iraq, which was formed by Bush/Blair and a coalition of the willing. Same can be said of Afghanistan. I take it you were also happy about our armed forces going off to fight in Libya, and do you now think they should be sent to fight in Syria aswel. Whats next, involvement of our military in Ukraine aswel?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

...Well said sir.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

We joined the conflict that was WW2 because we had a treaty to support the Poles, we also have a similar treaty with the Ukraine to protect their sovereignty. Signed when they returned all the icbm's to Russia. So if we were a country who could be trusted to honour a treaty...

The Poles think we let them down too, after the Nazis were removed they were forcibly annexed into the USSR. 50 years of freedom taken away from them.

Why sign treaties agreeing to assist other foreign nations if we don't do anything when needed...

We could have avoided being involved in WW1 and WW2, would that have been the right thing to do? Let's just close the armed forces down, we don't and won't need them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

The Poles think we let them down too, after the Nazis were removed they were forcibly annexed into the USSR. 50 years of freedom taken away from them.

Why sign treaties agreeing to assist other foreign nations if we don't do anything when needed...

We could have avoided being involved in WW1 and WW2, would that have been the right thing to do? Let's just close the armed forces down, we don't and won't need them..."

Here's a novel idea, how about we just keep our military and armed forces for defence?

We are not the worlds policemen and we should not be getting involved in half the wars we have done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

The Poles think we let them down too, after the Nazis were removed they were forcibly annexed into the USSR. 50 years of freedom taken away from them.

Why sign treaties agreeing to assist other foreign nations if we don't do anything when needed...

We could have avoided being involved in WW1 and WW2, would that have been the right thing to do? Let's just close the armed forces down, we don't and won't need them...

Here's a novel idea, how about we just keep our military and armed forces for defence?

We are not the worlds policemen and we should not be getting involved in half the wars we have done."

Why do UKIP want 3 aircraft carriers for then? Do you think they'll be handy for defence? Do you think you send an aircraft carrier out without a small fleet around it to defend the carrier? Why in 2010 did UKIP want to double the defence budget for? When was the last time the UK was under serious threat of attack? Why do UKIP want to double the size of the TA and increase the armed forces by 25%??? Defence?

What half of the conflicts do you want our country to be involved in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So UKIP wouldn't send troops in to a war far far away then? Not if for example, their party coffers we're being stuffed with cash from defence lobbyists?

I think you'll find politics don't work like that and you're being very naïve. But notice you skipped over my question of what our troops would do if they were never deployed again and what the point of having a standing army would be? Perhaps you're planning on them invading Scotland if they get independence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So UKIP wouldn't send troops in to a war far far away then? Not if for example, their party coffers we're being stuffed with cash from defence lobbyists?

Don't you be squirreling away any of those nukes...

UKIP has plans for more, 4 new boomers and us missiles...

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

Spoken like a true narrow minded little Englander rather than a citizen of a big world.

And finally they're all in favour of raping the NHS. An idiotic idea by any measure.

The Poles think we let them down too, after the Nazis were removed they were forcibly annexed into the USSR. 50 years of freedom taken away from them.

Why sign treaties agreeing to assist other foreign nations if we don't do anything when needed...

We could have avoided being involved in WW1 and WW2, would that have been the right thing to do? Let's just close the armed forces down, we don't and won't need them...

Here's a novel idea, how about we just keep our military and armed forces for defence?

We are not the worlds policemen and we should not be getting involved in half the wars we have done.

What half of the conflicts do you want our country to be involved in?"

Conflicts that are a direct threat to our own security and our sovreignty would be a good start. Aircraft carriers are also useful tools for defence. Are you forgetting we have territory in the falklands and Gibraltar beyond the shores of the UK?

Keeping a nuclear deterent surely would also come into a defence strategy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Here's a novel idea, how about we just keep our military and armed forces for defence?

We are not the worlds policemen and we should not be getting involved in half the wars we have done."

Defence against who?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock

"So UKIP wouldn't send troops in to a war far far away then? Not if for example, their party coffers we're being stuffed with cash from defence lobbyists?

Not skipped over your question at all, what part of keeping the armed forces for defence do you not understand?

Argentina invaded the Falklands so use of our armed forces was justified there to protect our territory. You seem to have limited education of recent history.

While we're on the subject of skipping things i see you also skipped the part about the Iraq war having nothing to do with Nato, it was Blair/Bush and a coalition of the willing.