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Greg Dyke football equivelant of Dr Beeching ?

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

with his proposal for premier "B" teams in a new league 3 that would effectively kill off all hope of conference sides progressing wrecking the football pyramid is he the new Dr Beeching ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have you read the whole report, or just the headlines?

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

ive seen enogh of the report to make a judgement and that is this will kill the game in this country

if this is for the benefit of the England team why only ten "B" teams and from which ten teams?

do the other eight premier league teams not supply players to the England team ?

flawed in my eyes actualy think its a smoke screen will be withdrawn with much fanfare and feeder teams introduced as a "look what we saved you from " sop

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have you read the whole report, or just the headlines?"

I've read the bits of the report relating to how it would affect my club. It is the worst idea I have ever heard in my entire life. It's actually disgusting how willing he is to shit on the lower leagues, all in the hope that this magically makes our failing national team better. Hopeless individual backed up with a team of inept fools in Ferdinand, Danny Mills etc.

It's a farce.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is used in other countries in Europe and gives younger players league experience. The B teams cannot progress beyond league1. If the A team is relegated to league 1 the B team cannot play in that division and must be relegated. It allows 10 more conference teams into the football league.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is used in other countries in Europe and gives younger players league experience. The B teams cannot progress beyond league1. If the A team is relegated to league 1 the B team cannot play in that division and must be relegated. It allows 10 more conference teams into the football league. "

So you expect me to go and watch Stoke City B vs Chesterfield in front of about 100 home fans plus whatever we'd bring away? On your bike son, no chance of that happening. Germany are looking like they're getting rid of their B teams btw, due to fan's hatred of them. Spain have Barca B who have the lowest attendence in Liga BBVA and Castilla who have the second lowest (and are about to get relegated).

Also, if teams can't get promoted above League 1 this creates the possibility of a build up in teams - in theory, 7 Prem B teams could finish in 1st place down to 7th and the "normal" team in 8th place would win promotion. Now tell me again how great this idea is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ps, there's already a great way to give younger players league experience - it's called the loan system. You know, like how Ross Barkley went on loan to Sheff Wednesday and flourished and is now most likely going to the World Cup?

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"It is used in other countries in Europe and gives younger players league experience. The B teams cannot progress beyond league1. If the A team is relegated to league 1 the B team cannot play in that division and must be relegated. It allows 10 more conference teams into the football league. "
Disaster has struck in the Netherlands as well. This season for the first time B teams from Ajax, PSV and FC Twente have entered the Jupiler League, which is the second tier in Dutch football. It has not been a success.

These teams have nothing to play for (they cannot get promoted, nor relegated) and have had completely different line-ups from one week to the other, as squads are created from players that are not part of the first team. This has had a negative influence on the fairness of the league, as there was a significant difference if you played a Jong (=Young) team before or after the first team had played. If the Jong team played earlier in the weekend managers were not allowed to take any risks with players that might make the first, whereas you might find yourself playing against all players that did not make the starting eleven of the first team if you played the Jong team later in the weekend. In total the three Jong teams used 136 (!!) different players.

Attendances have been really poor as well. As soon as the novelty wore off they dropped to well below 1,000 in a league that averages 4,000. One Monday night when all three Jong teams played at home their combined attendance was only 800.

Comment on 08-05-2014 10:18:29 by DangerousPie#909852

In Germany most of the B teams average less than 400 fans, and even this number is bulked up by away fans who get to cheer on their team in an empty stadium. What's telling is that since this article was published, the German lower leagues have been reformed TWICE to accommodate the B teams and another reform could be in the offing.

If the commission looked at how the system was working in Germany, they can't have looked very closely.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's the hilarious thing, they reference the German B team system in their report. Leverkusen have won the right to destroy their B team and it's looking likely that others will follow suite. Meanwhile Danny Mills, bloke on the panel, is getting his arse handed to him on a plate by Steve fucking Claridge.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

I would like to see a requirement implemented where at least 5 of the match day squad for every team was brought through their OWN youth system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a football fanatic and don't particularly care what happens to the money grabbing top clubs but it would be a shame if the grass root clubs were detrimentally effected.

What ever happened to the reserve squads. Didn't they have their own league?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would like to see a requirement implemented where at least 5 of the match day squad for every team was brought through their OWN youth system."

still wouldnt make a difference, as the 'home grown' rule merely states that a youth player has to have been with them for a certain amount of years, rather than actually born in this country.

its a shite idea.

how is a player supposed to get better playing against conference teams?

this will be stopping them playing for other premier/championship/league 1 teams, and instead sit them in the lowest tier of league football.

suppose it will ready them for playing internationally against san morino, but not too sure the likes of brazil.

the problem ies at the feet of clubs bringing in average foreign players.

is demichelis really better than lescott?

is luciano better than dawson (west brom)

for every bergkamp, there has been 2 marco boogers, and thats just bloody wrong.

maybe there should be a set minimum value of a foreign player, say if he costs less than £10 mill then he is worse than anything you can buy locally, as it were.

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

No idea in reality if it's a good or bad idea and frankly I don't care but it will clearly have nowhere near the affect of the carving up of the railway network. Yes lots of people might be a bit annoyed but it will affect very few people's livelihood or lead to so towns and villages stagnating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No idea in reality if it's a good or bad idea and frankly I don't care but it will clearly have nowhere near the affect of the carving up of the railway network. Yes lots of people might be a bit annoyed but it will affect very few people's livelihood or lead to so towns and villages stagnating."

Cheers. Got nothing to do with this but a truly fascinating insight.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"It is used in other countries in Europe and gives younger players league experience. The B teams cannot progress beyond league1. If the A team is relegated to league 1 the B team cannot play in that division and must be relegated. "

thats the way it works in spain... in Germany "B" teams aren't allowed above the 3rd division... and must always be 1 division below the senior team...

as the idea... I actually like it....

1 would split league 2 and make it regional... then you could have league 2 and have 3 leagues of league 2, Conference and B teams....

How many clubs are going to be able to sustain a fully competative "B" team... I would say no more than about 10-15 teams max anyway....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

see... you can make it work but mixing and matching...

so take the spanish model where any "b" team has to be at least 1 division below.... or the germany where the highest a "b" team can go is division 3....

with regards to squads... the way they do it in spain is that squads have to be static.... and are only allowed to be "transferred" to the senior squad during the transfer window... and are only allowed to do it once....(remember messi , xavi, inesta, ect all came thru barcelona b)

remember that premier league teams are only allowed 25 man senior squads now,

8 of which is must be home grown....

irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to The Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21)

problem is a lot of foreign players count as home grown because they come over so young....

for example.. just using arsenal...cesc fabregas would could, gael clichy, robin van persie ect ect, Nickolas bendtner, johan djorou,

what would I like to see happen....

I more like the Uefa competition rules, which is tighter....

25 man squad, at least 8 "home grown"... and of those at least 4 must be "home grown at the club they are representing"

change the rules slightly.... 25 man squad... half (12) to be home grown... half again (6) to be home grown at the club they represent.....

and cut the number of non-EU players in each squad down to maximum of 2.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good analysis from Fabio.

I don't expect anyone to watch stoke city B if they don't want to. Greg Dyke has already stated that the two teams cannot play in the same division. There will be a limit to the numbers of foreigners that can be named In The B squad. I believe the majority of players must also be under 21. The original reserve team leagues collapsed a number of years ago. Kevin Keegans Newcastle being one of, if not the first to disband their reserves. I would certainly be interested in seeing the next "class of 92" coming through as well as some of the great youngsters that have been deliberately overlooked by my own team this season.

As for Steve claridge, he is a bitter individual who left every penny he earned in the bookies and has very little positive to say about anything whenever I watch him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Steve Claridge is a tosser - the fact he can make Mills, a member of the team who created this abortion of an idea, look like a bell end on radio says everything.

Absolutely no consideration for the lower league fan - our lower league is the envy of every other country in the world and the FA wish to shit on it from a great height. Makes me fucking sick.

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By *eavenNhell OP   Couple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge


"It is used in other countries in Europe and gives younger players league experience. The B teams cannot progress beyond league1. If the A team is relegated to league 1 the B team cannot play in that division and must be relegated.

thats the way it works in spain... in Germany "B" teams aren't allowed above the 3rd division... and must always be 1 division below the senior team...

as the idea... I actually like it....

1 would split league 2 and make it regional... then you could have league 2 and have 3 leagues of league 2, Conference and B teams....

How many clubs are going to be able to sustain a fully competative "B" team... I would say no more than about 10-15 teams max anyway...."
i refer to my earlier post

In Germany most of the B teams average less than 400 fans, and even this number is bulked up by away fans who get to cheer on their team in an empty stadium. What's telling is that since this article was published, the German lower leagues have been reformed TWICE to accommodate the B teams and another reform could be in the offing.

If the commission looked at how the system was working in Germany, they can't have looked very closely. + many of the german teams are now disbanding there "B"teams as they see no benefit . also who are the 10-12 teams allowed a "B " team and who decides whats the criteria what haapens to the other 8 teams who are cast adrift are there young players deemed not good enough ? are only the select few allowed to take on youngsters fit for the England team ? or is this another way for the gree sorry premier league to squeeze even more money for themselves at the expense of lower division clubs ? as stated sits back and awaits an announcement that its been cancelled and the FA have "listened " to the fans etc and along will come feeder teams and and under 23 league thats televised and given as much publicity as the prem . lets look at when we had teams largley full of home grown talent you know the late seventies early eights when british teams dominated europe didnt exactly set the world alight then did we ? maybe if like europe we had proper qualified youth coaches rather than gary from the dog and duck teaching kids ball skills positioning passing movement and tactics playing a shortend game on smaller pitches rather than the hoof it to the freakishly large kid to smash it past a four foot keeper tin a full size goal we have now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All of Fabio's ideas still don't address the concerns of lower league fans. Just throwing us in regionalised leagues of League 2 teams, Conference teams and B teams. Would never work, there'd be a huge revolt from all lower league fans, attendances would be destroyed and football at that level would die, I promise you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All for the off chance that we "might" get better in international competitions. Embarrassing. What's more sickening is that the Chairman of the PFA and current player of my team Ritchie Humphreys hasn't made a stand against this. So disenchanted with football right now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worst thing is they don't need agreement from us, all they have to do is threaten to cut funding (like they did with EPPP, remember that?) and every chairman will agree to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe Ritchie Humphreys backs the idea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe Ritchie Humphreys backs the idea?"

That's what I was hinting at. In which case he wants to fuck off out the club he'd be screwing over should this "plan" *spit* came to fruition

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"All of Fabio's ideas still don't address the concerns of lower league fans. Just throwing us in regionalised leagues of League 2 teams, Conference teams and B teams. Would never work, there'd be a huge revolt from all lower league fans, attendances would be destroyed and football at that level would die, I promise you. "

sorry... but I don't see what the difference would be between a "league 2" and a "league 2 north/south" would be...

up until 1958... the 3rd tier use to be regional (division 3 north/south) and I am guessing your team... heck.. wolves were once a division 3 north team.. so were derby....

regional leagues would actually cut travelling costs for both clubs and supporter....

its regionalised at the level below the conference and football at that level has survived for a long time.. and have some famous old clubs

I wouldn't take away football league membership away from those clubs... I would actually extend membership to those teams that would actually be in the conference

clubs would find ways of making the "b" team proposal work... for example.... make entry to those games a lot cheaper

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you're happy with people who have followed their clubs home and away for all their lives to travel to Stoke City B in front of a couple of hundred fans in the worst atmosphere imaginable and they should either be happy with that or just not go or find something better to do on a Saturday?

Not to mention the huge differences between conference/league 2/b teams budget wise. Speaking of budget, these youngsters will be on wages per week that would blow the conference/league 2 teams out of the water. Yet another unfair facet of this pathetic regime.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, I love my away days down South. I've got mates down there who I can go and see when my team plays Dagenham and Redbridge, Leyton Orient etc. and I'd lose that. But it doesn't matter - I'm a lower league football fan, my opinion doesn't matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just bring in some sensible reforms across the board. Limit the numbers of players that a club can have in its academy and how many players it can have on loan at any one time. Have a wage cap on players below 20 to allow all clubs to attract talent and compete. Insist that all clubs have a minimum of 4 domestic players on the field at any given time.

The best should always rise to the top and a few changes would hopefully see younger British players get a chance of more first team football with damaging lower league structures and supporters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So you're happy with people who have followed their clubs home and away for all their lives to travel to Stoke City B in front of a couple of hundred fans in the worst atmosphere imaginable and they should either be happy with that or just not go or find something better to do on a Saturday?

Not to mention the huge differences between conference/league 2/b teams budget wise. Speaking of budget, these youngsters will be on wages per week that would blow the conference/league 2 teams out of the water. Yet another unfair facet of this pathetic regime. "

if you think there is a huge difference between league 2 and the top half of the conference I think you are kidding yourself.... most of the teams in the conference are properly professional and full time...

for example... since luton went down to the conference their average attendance has been 8,000

I had a chance to go to the conference play off game between gateshead and grimsby last week... almost 10000 were there......

as for the budgets of "b" teams... they would be under 23 players already in the system of the club, fully home grown, not eligable for the 1st team squad..

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Also, I love my away days down South. I've got mates down there who I can go and see when my team plays Dagenham and Redbridge, Leyton Orient etc. and I'd lose that. But it doesn't matter - I'm a lower league football fan, my opinion doesn't matter. "

funny you should mention Dagenham and Redbridge... because they are a great example of a team that came up to the national league via Regional football... conference, the old southern league...

and leyton orient have spent most of their life playing in the old 3rd division south anyway.......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you're happy with people who have followed their clubs home and away for all their lives to travel to Stoke City B in front of a couple of hundred fans in the worst atmosphere imaginable and they should either be happy with that or just not go or find something better to do on a Saturday?

Not to mention the huge differences between conference/league 2/b teams budget wise. Speaking of budget, these youngsters will be on wages per week that would blow the conference/league 2 teams out of the water. Yet another unfair facet of this pathetic regime.

if you think there is a huge difference between league 2 and the top half of the conference I think you are kidding yourself.... most of the teams in the conference are properly professional and full time...

for example... since luton went down to the conference their average attendance has been 8,000

I had a chance to go to the conference play off game between gateshead and grimsby last week... almost 10000 were there......

as for the budgets of "b" teams... they would be under 23 players already in the system of the club, fully home grown, not eligable for the 1st team squad.. "

Alfreton vs Southend... That'll show you the difference between a League 2 club and a Conference club mate.

And for the thing that really matters... Fan enjoyment watching their team play in grounds full of fans? Not even necessarily full even, but in front of more than 200 home fans? Surely that matters?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Also, I love my away days down South. I've got mates down there who I can go and see when my team plays Dagenham and Redbridge, Leyton Orient etc. and I'd lose that. But it doesn't matter - I'm a lower league football fan, my opinion doesn't matter.

funny you should mention Dagenham and Redbridge... because they are a great example of a team that came up to the national league via Regional football... conference, the old southern league...

and leyton orient have spent most of their life playing in the old 3rd division south anyway......."

Which addresses my concern not a jot... Regionalised leagues haha, yet another dire idea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters. "

No, I'm not. But I do know players 18-21 from Man U etc will trump what bloody Alfreton earn, hilariously.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even Richard Scudamore is against this ridiculous idea.

The FA formed the breakaway premier league, not the football league. Don't shit on us cos you've fucked the national team up by letting jonny foreigner and all his pals waltz into the prem, keeping our "amazing youngsters" from doing anything noteworthy.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters.

No, I'm not. But I do know players 18-21 from Man U etc will trump what bloody Alfreton earn, hilariously. "

but if you are loaning "18-21 from man united" to alfreton, which is what happens at the moment to get playing experience... alfreton aren't the one, for the most part, paying his wages....

there is nothing to stop loans which happen at the moment, going on as they do now......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters.

No, I'm not. But I do know players 18-21 from Man U etc will trump what bloody Alfreton earn, hilariously.

but if you are loaning "18-21 from man united" to alfreton, which is what happens at the moment to get playing experience... alfreton aren't the one, for the most part, paying his wages....

there is nothing to stop loans which happen at the moment, going on as they do now......

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So why change it? They're working now. Look at Barkley. He went to Sheff Wed and is now on his way to a World Cup most likely. Why shit on us when you already have a loan system you can use?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jesus Christ this forum really needs an edit button lol

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"But how are players going on loan from Man United and playing against other conference/league 2 teams going to get to the standard required to start Prem games and then get into the England national team?"

pssst..... david beckham was loaned from man united to preston at the beginning of his career... they were in league 2 at the time.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

my input, for what its worth....

Why a B Team League? If the point of it is to generate future England talent, then why isnt being restricted to JUST English players?

Or am i missing something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters.

No, I'm not. But I do know players 18-21 from Man U etc will trump what bloody Alfreton earn, hilariously.

but if you are loaning "18-21 from man united" to alfreton, which is what happens at the moment to get playing experience... alfreton aren't the one, for the most part, paying his wages....

there is nothing to stop loans which happen at the moment, going on as they do now......

So why change it? They're working now. Look at Barkley. He went to Sheff Wed and is now on his way to a World Cup most likely. Why shit on us when you already have a loan system you can use?"
it's not working, 29% English players last season 23% this season. Only one English player made his debut in the prem this season and that was in Man Utd's last match.

This system definitely doesn't work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters.

No, I'm not. But I do know players 18-21 from Man U etc will trump what bloody Alfreton earn, hilariously.

but if you are loaning "18-21 from man united" to alfreton, which is what happens at the moment to get playing experience... alfreton aren't the one, for the most part, paying his wages....

there is nothing to stop loans which happen at the moment, going on as they do now......

So why change it? They're working now. Look at Barkley. He went to Sheff Wed and is now on his way to a World Cup most likely. Why shit on us when you already have a loan system you can use?it's not working, 29% English players last season 23% this season. Only one English player made his debut in the prem this season and that was in Man Utd's last match.

This system definitely doesn't work"

Then focus on ways of resolving things in your own league rather than ruining it for those of us who support lower league teams. Sort your own fucking garden out instead of chucking your shit into ours. We don't deserve it.

Can EITHER of you explain how it's fair or acceptable that I should have to lose the pleasure of going to watch my team in nearly every away game in front of passionate crowds with fans in who support their local clubs (not Man United fucking B or Stoke City fucking B) who support a club with a boardroom, wage budget, a history etc. JUST for a stupid plan that will most likely not work any way? Please, one of you or anyone else explain how that's is acceptable - how it's acceptable to deface the envy of every single country with a football team in the world because The FA fucked up by creating a Premier League with no restrictions and they didn't foresee the problems. Please tell me, I'm all ears.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Danny Mills said the following:

"Fans of Hartlepool would rather watch their team play Man United B than Torquay United".

Hartlepool United tweeted this. 2,618 would rather watch them play Torquay. 157 would rather watch them play Man a United B.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and another thing.........why introduce them BETWEEN L2 and the conference?

Any team applying to play in the footbal pyramid should start at the bottom, surely?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

also......

how would it benefit the players skills improvement by playing (what most would admit) against opponents with more limited abilities????

In order to improve, you have to challenge yourself against better.

Not knocking lower league football here, been a part of it most of my footie supporting life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last time I looked league 2 was the bottom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Last time I looked league 2 was the bottom. "

Sigh. No. There are leagues below League 2... Y'know, like the ones we've mentioned in this discussion?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking of the Conference, they weren't even asked about this "plan" - not so much as a phone call. They're planning on including the top half of that league in "League 3" yet they weren't even asked their fucking opinion on it. Yet you two support this disgraceful idea. Have a word with yourselves, please.

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport


"No idea in reality if it's a good or bad idea and frankly I don't care but it will clearly have nowhere near the affect of the carving up of the railway network. Yes lots of people might be a bit annoyed but it will affect very few people's livelihood or lead to so towns and villages stagnating.

Cheers. Got nothing to do with this but a truly fascinating insight. "

What exactly did you think Dr Beeching was famous/infamous for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Last time I looked league 2 was the bottom.

Sigh. No. There are leagues below League 2... Y'know, like the ones we've mentioned in this discussion?"
league 2 is the bottom. Anything below that is "non league" so called because it is not in the football league. That is why teams relegated from the football league are said to have "lost their league status" the conference is "non league football"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Last time I looked league 2 was the bottom.

Sigh. No. There are leagues below League 2... Y'know, like the ones we've mentioned in this discussion?league 2 is the bottom. Anything below that is "non league" so called because it is not in the football league. That is why teams relegated from the football league are said to have "lost their league status" the conference is "non league football""

The person you replied to mentioned "football pyramid" not "football league".

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

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If these young english players were good enough, they would come through their own clubs without the need for B teams. Without the training of thousands more highly qualified youth coaches, Dyke is pissing in the wind with this for B team idea.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone


"Also, I love my away days down South. I've got mates down there who I can go and see when my team plays Dagenham and Redbridge, Leyton Orient etc. and I'd lose that. But it doesn't matter - I'm a lower league football fan, my opinion doesn't matter.

funny you should mention Dagenham and Redbridge... because they are a great example of a team that came up to the national league via Regional football... conference, the old southern league...

and leyton orient have spent most of their life playing in the old 3rd division south anyway......."

They are actually 2 teams that merged about 20 years ago; Dagenham and Redbridge Forrest. And they used to be in the old conference before being relegated and dropping down to the isthmian league(now the Ryman league), and then climbing upto to the football league.

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over a year ago


"People are under the illusion that everyone from the star striker to the tea lady at prem clubs are on £50k per week. The extra division also allows 10 more conference sides into the league and the extra money/exposure that comes with that. Regionalised leagues would cut travelling costs for both clubs and travelling supporters. "

iirc when kidderminster first went into the football league, when they were managed by Jan Molby, he said that first season lost them a couple of hundred thousand, so no, i dont buy into the fact that bottom league clubs are better off than conference clubs. the income is not as much as some would imaigne

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