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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent

According to the papers today pizza _xpress has revealed that it only uses halal chicken in its shops.

“Unsuspecting members of the public are routinely being duped into buying meat from religious slaughter methods."

Yet the information for vegan/gluten free/halal etc is all on the website and it states that the animals are pre-stunned. Surely restaurants cannot put every single piece of information on menus they'd end up the size of the yellow pages!!

The main reason I've seen people complaining about the halal meat is that it causes suffering to the animal but if they are being stunned first what's the problem???

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By *r not quite virginMan
over a year ago

rochdale

Because its a lie and its not stunned. When you have seen how halal meat is really done then you will never even consider touching it again and give the opportunity it should be made highly illegal.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"Because its a lie and its not stunned. When you have seen how halal meat is really done then you will never even consider touching it again and give the opportunity it should be made highly illegal."

How do you know it's a lie??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some religions aren't allowed to eat Halal so they should be informed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have fallen out with a few people because of my indifference to the subway headlines. They claim it's the start of the islamification of Britain. I don't really mind what meat pizza _xpress use. The same as I know when I'm visiting the Jewish deli in Chigwell that the meat will be kosher when I visit a fast food place I expect the meat to be halal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"According to the papers today pizza _xpress has revealed that it only uses halal chicken in its shops.

“Unsuspecting members of the public are routinely being duped into buying meat from religious slaughter methods."

Yet the information for vegan/gluten free/halal etc is all on the website and it states that the animals are pre-stunned. Surely restaurants cannot put every single piece of information on menus they'd end up the size of the yellow pages!!

The main reason I've seen people complaining about the halal meat is that it causes suffering to the animal but if they are being stunned first what's the problem??? "

A bit off topic but Nice bum

Xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Because its a lie and its not stunned. When you have seen how halal meat is really done then you will never even consider touching it again and give the opportunity it should be made highly illegal."

So pizza _xpress and subway are lying and we should take your word for this ?

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"Some religions aren't allowed to eat Halal so they should be informed "

Which religions are they?

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

I am going to stick to cock and leave the chicken well alone...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A bit off topic but Nice bum

Xxx"

bit of a jump from killing chickens, but you are 100% correct very nice bum

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i saw this 'story' all over the sun this morning as i went to Morrisons....that's where my interest in it was left.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any."

And I'm guessing that if they couldn't eat halal they wouldn't be able to eat 'non religious slaughter' chicken either??

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By *r not quite virginMan
over a year ago

rochdale

Have you ever witnessed it when they torture the animals making the meat halal? They dont stun them at all. It honestly doesnt bother me I know the slightest if you dont believe me or not but the fact is ive seen it and think those murderers should be the ones that get tortured to death! And in case you havent noticed im much more an animal person than a people person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

KFC use just Halal meat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any."

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

for what it is worth i don think that companies should advertise that they serve halal/kosher etc meat but as long as there are those who use this information to spread conspiracy theories i can see why they wouldn't want to do this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"Have you ever witnessed it when they torture the animals making the meat halal? They dont stun them at all. It honestly doesnt bother me I know the slightest if you dont believe me or not but the fact is ive seen it and think those murderers should be the ones that get tortured to death! And in case you havent noticed im much more an animal person than a people person"

Ok so I've just been doing some reading and the Jewish method of slaughter seems nearly identical?

Also reading further and talking with Muslim friends Halal slaughter should not involve torturing the animal at all if it does it is not being done correctly.

And you didn't answer my question as to how you know that pizza _xpress are lying about the animals being pre stunned??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion "

Aren't most Sikhs vegetarian? The ones I know are anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion "

Aren't most Sikhs vegetarian? The ones I know are anyway

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it "

shopping would take fucking hours!!!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"KFC use just Halal meat "

and its yummy!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it "

I agree. We the consumer should know what we're buying. But as far as I can see all the information is available on the websites of these company's. That should be good enough, I don't expect to be handed a pamphlet every time I go for something to eat.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

shopping would take fucking hours!!! "

Agreed...

And I've seen a programme a while back about chickens that are hung by their legs and are meant to be stunned beforehand but they are thrashing around so most of them don't get stunned before their throat is cut mechanically and they are just left hanging and bleeding to death. That wasn't halal or kosher etc

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"KFC use just Halal meat

and its yummy!!! "

Indeed it is

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"According to the papers today pizza _xpress has revealed that it only uses halal chicken in its shops.

“Unsuspecting members of the public are routinely being duped into buying meat from religious slaughter methods."

Yet the information for vegan/gluten free/halal etc is all on the website and it states that the animals are pre-stunned. Surely restaurants cannot put every single piece of information on menus they'd end up the size of the yellow pages!!

The main reason I've seen people complaining about the halal meat is that it causes suffering to the animal but if they are being stunned first what's the problem??? "

KFC have been doing this with their chicken for years.... and no one pipes up about it...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

damn.. teach me to read an entire thread before commenting... lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC use just Halal meat "

It is very easy to get information on the Web about chicken welfare standards at KFC's subsidiary company. For anyone who is interested in animal welfare, and eats KFC, I suggest you have a look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all this bollocks again. If you don't want to eat that kind of meat. Don't eat it. Go and eat some place else. You don't have to eat from one particular place do you?

The information is out there. You have to do your own due diligence and find out for yourself rather than wait for others to inform you of it. Make your own decisions.

You got a brain for a reason. Use it.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

The simple solution is to become a vegetarian...I rarely eat KFC or subway I usually make my own southern fried chicken etc .....

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Some religions aren't allowed to eat Halal so they should be informed "

Which religion forbids eating halal ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is of course complete nonsense, pizza _xpress and kfc use a LOT of chickens, they are all factory killed and processed by the truck load. if they employed a man to say a prayer for each then slit it's throat that would be halal and kfc would cost at least 5x more than it does. some man may wander around the truck load of chickens doing a generic prayer... but I am 97.3659% sure that not a single chicken hears and understands the words, most are not believers anyway so they wouldn't give a damn if if they could understand him.

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By *r not quite virginMan
over a year ago

rochdale

So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm slightly confused by the tabloids pushing this story.

If the chicken is stunned then how is it different to non halal meat? Are people offended that the meat is blessed?

Halal meat has been consumed in the UK for decades and Muslims have been serving non Muslims their curries and kebabs for decades too.

Why this sudden drama and hoo ha? I'm convinced it's more 'pick on Muslim season' and not genuine concern for the chickens.

Ps - just like Subway, no Muslims to my knowledge have protested with Pizza Express to serve halal chicken. This is a business decision and it is great that such a large faith group in the UK can now enjoy the same food.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"KFC use just Halal meat

It is very easy to get information on the Web about chicken welfare standards at KFC's subsidiary company. For anyone who is interested in animal welfare, and eats KFC, I suggest you have a look."

I think we can all agree that the mass slaughter of any animals is not going to be pleasant but it tastes nice lol

Are the standards of other chicken farms any higher? i doubt it.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"damn.. teach me to read an entire thread before commenting... lol"

Me too !

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

I agree. We the consumer should know what we're buying. But as far as I can see all the information is available on the websites of these company's. That should be good enough, I don't expect to be handed a pamphlet every time I go for something to eat. "

I can see how that would work...

your meat today was supplied by a cow called "rosie"... she was a supple 2 year old who like roaming the fields and lying down a lot... she leaves a sister called "rosebud".......

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

shopping would take fucking hours!!! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion

Aren't most Sikhs vegetarian? The ones I know are anyway"

not the one I worked with. She was the one who said she isn't allowed to eat it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With regards to KFC, not all their branches are halal. I would hazard a guess that less than 5% of their branches are halal but happy to be corrected.

Why shouldn't KFC cater for the Muslim population? It's all profit after all?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether you think that someones choice is bollocks or not, they should still have choice.

I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ever wondered why some Nando's have more asian customers than others ?

Yup, you guessed it, some use halal meat. Others don't.

AFAIK tho they do state whether they are halal or not.

Their website certainly lists the ones that are.

(B4 any1 starts, I know not all asians are muslims and I know not all muslims are asian)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie"

if the animal was tortured while being slaughtered then it wasnt halal meat (even if the slaughterhouse says it was).

Anyone who thinks animals that are being killed for our consumption in massive numbers is going to go smoothly at all times are naive at best.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie"

No I didn't say it isn't torture. I said that I've seen reports of this happening in 'normal' chicken slaughters.. Nothing to do with halal.

And like I said the Jewish method of killing is pretty much the same but I don't see anyone getting on their high horse about that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whether you think that someones choice is bollocks or not, they should still have choice.

I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?"

Who has been denied? Are you referring to Pizza Express?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let us not forget that a lot of the businesses we mention are operated as franchises.

If the franchisee is Muslim, the chances are, the foods they serve will meet halal standards.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire


"So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie"
. .i used to work in a slaughter house and the cows and sheep were stunned with a bolt gun hung up with one hind leg and throat cut . your sayin the halal way they break a leg whats that all about?. are you sure they break a leg?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my area and surrounding a lot of people eat halal so it makes sense to sell halal food. There are also a lot of African shops because a lot of the population are from Africa. Where's the problem?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can anybody clearly explain to me that halal has to do with broken legs? I'm genuinely confused?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The main reason I've seen people complaining about the halal meat is that it causes suffering to the animal but if they are being stunned first what's the problem??? "

One issue is that as a society for many religion has little or no meaning, hence the recent debate in public about whether we are a secular or Christian country. Things such as animal welfare legislation were set up with the primary concern looking at the scientific information and how to most humanly treat the animals, and as a nation we are very much into animal welfare.

Then we have a particular religious group who's 'primary' concern about despatching the animals is that it is done in a way that pleases / appeases their deity, and not the animal welfare at all.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"I'm slightly confused by the tabloids pushing this story.

If the chicken is stunned then how is it different to non halal meat? Are people offended that the meat is blessed?

Halal meat has been consumed in the UK for decades and Muslims have been serving non Muslims their curries and kebabs for decades too.

Why this sudden drama and hoo ha? I'm convinced it's more 'pick on Muslim season' and not genuine concern for the chickens.

Ps - just like Subway, no Muslims to my knowledge have protested with Pizza Express to serve halal chicken. This is a business decision and it is great that such a large faith group in the UK can now enjoy the same food."

Just been informed by a Muslim friend that the reason they do not stun meat beforehand is that often stunning can kill and anything that is dead prior to the throat being cut is not halal.

But looking at a website for further info they can stun as long as signs of life are still present then it is halal approved.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have met many non Muslim people who are of African or Caribbean origin. Many of them buy from halal butchers so if a private company goes halal, it is because the market dictates it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

just to play devils doo-dah here. Those saying that those who oppose halal meat should just eat elsewhere or eat something els?....should that not apply to those who are wanting to eat halal meat rather than companies having to change their procurement?

I have a friend who is veggie and she cant eat anything in KFC because they dont have a veggie option....she just goes elsewhere.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion

Aren't most Sikhs vegetarian? The ones I know are anyway"

No.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Can anybody clearly explain to me that halal has to do with broken legs? I'm genuinely confused?"

one of the posters claims to have seen an animal at a halal slaughterhouse be hung up by a broken leg and has extrapolated that it happens all the time. Of course it could never happen at a non halal slaughterhouse.

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By *r not quite virginMan
over a year ago

rochdale


"So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie. .i used to work in a slaughter house and the cows and sheep were stunned with a bolt gun hung up with one hind leg and throat cut . your sayin the halal way they break a leg whats that all about?. are you sure they break a leg?"
the leg is broken from the way they hang it. With the animal trying to move and they yank it up its the same principle as a man being hung. A sudden jerk on the bone is enough for it to snap and nobody cares. Yes I know the animal is about to die and it wouldnt matter so much if it was unconscious but its not. It feels every ounce of pain. Nobody cares about the animal just because its about to die.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The main reason I've seen people complaining about the halal meat is that it causes suffering to the animal but if they are being stunned first what's the problem???

One issue is that as a society for many religion has little or no meaning, hence the recent debate in public about whether we are a secular or Christian country. Things such as animal welfare legislation were set up with the primary concern looking at the scientific information and how to most humanly treat the animals, and as a nation we are very much into animal welfare.

Then we have a particular religious group who's 'primary' concern about despatching the animals is that it is done in a way that pleases / appeases their deity, and not the animal welfare at all.

"

Sorry do you understand that halal Subways, KFCs, Pizza Express are decisions made by profit driven companies and not demanded by Muslims.

For decades, Muslims have been consuming tuna mayo options for to lack of halal options.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

I agree. We the consumer should know what we're buying. But as far as I can see all the information is available on the websites of these company's. That should be good enough, I don't expect to be handed a pamphlet every time I go for something to eat.

I can see how that would work...

your meat today was supplied by a cow called "rosie"... she was a supple 2 year old who like roaming the fields and lying down a lot... she leaves a sister called "rosebud"......."

I'd go for the orphaned only child cow. It would ease my conscience.

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?"

Nobody is denied anything, but if you wish to ensure all you eat meets whatever standards you set then source it accordingly. As far as I know it is not illegal to make a pizza from home grown or source checked ingredients, and it is not illegal to not buy pizza's from Pizza Express.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm slightly confused by the tabloids pushing this story.

If the chicken is stunned then how is it different to non halal meat? Are people offended that the meat is blessed?

Halal meat has been consumed in the UK for decades and Muslims have been serving non Muslims their curries and kebabs for decades too.

Why this sudden drama and hoo ha? I'm convinced it's more 'pick on Muslim season' and not genuine concern for the chickens.

Ps - just like Subway, no Muslims to my knowledge have protested with Pizza Express to serve halal chicken. This is a business decision and it is great that such a large faith group in the UK can now enjoy the same food.

Just been informed by a Muslim friend that the reason they do not stun meat beforehand is that often stunning can kill and anything that is dead prior to the throat being cut is not halal.

But looking at a website for further info they can stun as long as signs of life are still present then it is halal approved. "

That sounds plausible. Surely all that is needed is for people to push government to regulate better?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So you think an animal being hung by a broken leg with its throat cut in pain bleeding out an kick out to get loose without being stunned isnt torture? Along with mindless beatings that are "supposed to help the blow flow out quicker". I never said anything about pizza _xpress but the truth behind halal meat is always hidden. It always has been and no doubt always will be. I have muslim friends who only eat halal as well and even when they witnessed how what they were eating was done it made them sick and a couple from that point have refused to touch the meat again and just became pure veggie. .i used to work in a slaughter house and the cows and sheep were stunned with a bolt gun hung up with one hind leg and throat cut . your sayin the halal way they break a leg whats that all about?. are you sure they break a leg?"

From slaughterhouse to gravedigger. I'd love to read a book on your life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd go for the orphaned only child cow. It would ease my conscience. "

Most are orphaned these days, or at least fostered out while mother works in the dairy herd.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"I'm slightly confused by the tabloids pushing this story.

If the chicken is stunned then how is it different to non halal meat? Are people offended that the meat is blessed?

Halal meat has been consumed in the UK for decades and Muslims have been serving non Muslims their curries and kebabs for decades too.

Why this sudden drama and hoo ha? I'm convinced it's more 'pick on Muslim season' and not genuine concern for the chickens.

Ps - just like Subway, no Muslims to my knowledge have protested with Pizza Express to serve halal chicken. This is a business decision and it is great that such a large faith group in the UK can now enjoy the same food.

Just been informed by a Muslim friend that the reason they do not stun meat beforehand is that often stunning can kill and anything that is dead prior to the throat being cut is not halal.

But looking at a website for further info they can stun as long as signs of life are still present then it is halal approved.

That sounds plausible. Surely all that is needed is for people to push government to regulate better?"

From what I can tell unless it is a 'halal only' slaughterhouse, which are few and far between and mainly supply to specific halal only butchers, all the halal chicken etc provided to these fast food chains are killed using pre-stunning.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

If you're going to eat commercialized crap then you get what you deserve.

If you don't like it don't buy it.

simples.

Check out your local pizzaria or butchers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a shame the tabloid reading public aren't more outraged by the use of certain oils, preservatives and other sugars that is causing obesity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can anybody clearly explain to me that halal has to do with broken legs? I'm genuinely confused?"

Is it like when actors are wishing each other luck ? When a cow enters the slaughter room his mate will say "break a leg"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Can anybody clearly explain to me that halal has to do with broken legs? I'm genuinely confused?

Is it like when actors are wishing each other luck ? When a cow enters the slaughter room his mate will say "break a leg" "

Bastards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whether you think that someones choice is bollocks or not, they should still have choice.

I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?

Who has been denied? Are you referring to Pizza Express?"

The OP asks whether we really have to list everything about our food, I say yes we do in order to make choices as we see fit. If you go along the coventry rd in Brum some butchers display 'animals not stunned' signs in the window, some don't. Therefore the customers are allowed to make a choice based on their particular convictions. Because I'm not religious do my convictions mean less?

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By *uper_gMan
over a year ago

london

Who cares how a chicken is killed, at the end of the day your still eating a animal that was alive. If you were concerned the slightest about that animal when it was alive then you shouldn't be eating it.

I'd rather be more bothered on how it's cooked and the cleanliness of the kitchen it was cooked in!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whether you think that someones choice is bollocks or not, they should still have choice.

I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?

Who has been denied? Are you referring to Pizza Express?

The OP asks whether we really have to list everything about our food, I say yes we do in order to make choices as we see fit. If you go along the coventry rd in Brum some butchers display 'animals not stunned' signs in the window, some don't. Therefore the customers are allowed to make a choice based on their particular convictions. Because I'm not religious do my convictions mean less?

"

I see where your point but don't agree.

Pizza _xpress do not have a halal sign on their window and not everybody is internet savvy enough to check. Muslims would have to enter and ask if their meat is Halal. Other restaurants such as Gourmet Burger kitchen sell halal chicken but don't advertise it on menus or shop windows.

Why can't non Muslims just do the same and ask the waiter or front of house or call up? Muslims do so all the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

I agree. We the consumer should know what we're buying. But as far as I can see all the information is available on the websites of these company's. That should be good enough, I don't expect to be handed a pamphlet every time I go for something to eat.

I can see how that would work...

your meat today was supplied by a cow called "rosie"... she was a supple 2 year old who like roaming the fields and lying down a lot... she leaves a sister called "rosebud".......

I'd go for the orphaned only child cow. It would ease my conscience. "

I was thinking more along the lines of your steak was fed antibiotics on a daily basis,stood in its own shit for a year,never saw the light of day and ate ground up other animals as part of its diet

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I live within a 10 min walk of a lot of the Muslim community in Derby. A couple of years ago my ex bought a chicken from a halal shop. At the time I was not au fait with that, but now I would never condone such a way of eating ma Sunday dinner.

I don't see the purpose that it serves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whether you think that someones choice is bollocks or not, they should still have choice.

I think religiously killing animals is bollocks, but for halal eaters it's their ethical and religious decision. Why should the non-religious be denied the same?

Who has been denied? Are you referring to Pizza Express?

The OP asks whether we really have to list everything about our food, I say yes we do in order to make choices as we see fit. If you go along the coventry rd in Brum some butchers display 'animals not stunned' signs in the window, some don't. Therefore the customers are allowed to make a choice based on their particular convictions. Because I'm not religious do my convictions mean less?

"

I am playing devils advocate by the way. For me the method of killing or religion it serves is entirely immaterial. I eat my Pakistani best pals kashmiri curries with glee, and they're halal.

I'm solely interested in why a religious persons need for clearly stating information is to be understood and accepted but a non-religious persons isn't? Seems odd how people leap down the throats of those who don't wish to eat halal or kosher meats. It's as bonkers as the reasons FOR eating kosher and halal meats in my mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think we should be informed of everything that has been done to our food but we aren't. It's going into our bodies,we should know how it's grown,what has been added and how it's been killed so we can decide if we eat it

I agree. We the consumer should know what we're buying. But as far as I can see all the information is available on the websites of these company's. That should be good enough, I don't expect to be handed a pamphlet every time I go for something to eat.

I can see how that would work...

your meat today was supplied by a cow called "rosie"... she was a supple 2 year old who like roaming the fields and lying down a lot... she leaves a sister called "rosebud".......

I'd go for the orphaned only child cow. It would ease my conscience.

I was thinking more along the lines of your steak was fed antibiotics on a daily basis,stood in its own shit for a year,never saw the light of day and ate ground up other animals as part of its diet "

I love veal. I prefer white veal but I can only get that while on holiday in Italy.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon


"Have you ever witnessed it when they torture the animals making the meat halal? They dont stun them at all. It honestly doesnt bother me I know the slightest if you dont believe me or not but the fact is ive seen it and think those murderers should be the ones that get tortured to death! And in case you havent noticed im much more an animal person than a people person

Ok so I've just been doing some reading and the Jewish method of slaughter seems nearly identical?

Also reading further and talking with Muslim friends Halal slaughter should not involve torturing the animal at all if it does it is not being done correctly.

And you didn't answer my question as to how you know that pizza _xpress are lying about the animals being pre stunned?? "

The animals are not allowed to be pre-stunned when they are slaughtered in the halal method, as a prayer is recited as they die, and they have to be concious to hear it, otherwise they are not "pure".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose the question that we have to ask ourselves is do we want our food safety controlled by independent scientifically tried and tested methods, or by religion?

As long as the slaughter of the animal complies with the recommended standards I really do not care if the abattoir is wearing a clown outfit, or chanting some hex over the animal.

My objection is if these standards are diluted for religious reasons. There are ambiguities over whether Halal slaughter does or does not involve stunning the animal first. Some Muslim scholars say that stunning should not be permitted, and others have said that it is OK.

IMO slaughter without stunning should be banned throughout the UK.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Later on in my childhood I grew up on a farm where my dad had cattle who were free range cattle...he bred them for near so every so often the slaughter man came to take the cattle away to be slaughtered and we sometimes had the meat for ourselves. My mum ended up banning my dad from having the cattle (it was a sideline for my dad) as he used to cry his eyes out when they were taken to be killed...

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"Have you ever witnessed it when they torture the animals making the meat halal? They dont stun them at all. It honestly doesnt bother me I know the slightest if you dont believe me or not but the fact is ive seen it and think those murderers should be the ones that get tortured to death! And in case you havent noticed im much more an animal person than a people person

Ok so I've just been doing some reading and the Jewish method of slaughter seems nearly identical?

Also reading further and talking with Muslim friends Halal slaughter should not involve torturing the animal at all if it does it is not being done correctly.

And you didn't answer my question as to how you know that pizza _xpress are lying about the animals being pre stunned??

The animals are not allowed to be pre-stunned when they are slaughtered in the halal method, as a prayer is recited as they die, and they have to be concious to hear it, otherwise they are not "pure". "

From research and taking to Muslim friends I think this is incorrect.

Here is a quote from the halal meat authority stating that as long as the animal isn't dead when the throat is cut it is still halal

The Halal Meat Authorities

Many people in the UK are now obsessed with the issue of stunning having been given the impression that it is haram. What has in truth happened is that some within a certain UK halal meat authority have taken a disliking to stunning and as a consequence people have been (mis)informed that it is totally haram. In fact, the meat is still halal - all it means is that businesses can not get that authority's logo on their produce.

If one reads their literature or website carefully one will note that they do not term stunned meat as haram anywhere. What one finds is that they have implemented a "blanket policy" against stunning on the basis that there may be some doubt over whether or not an animal is alive at the time of slaughter. This shows that they agree that if a stunned animal is alive at the time of slaughter it is halal.

We asked the authority, the Halal Monitoring Committee, for their response on this matter and they kindly responded with the following proving that just because an animal is stunned it is not haram:

"HMC is erring the side of caution by adopting a blanket policy to the issue of stunning and not certifying it. HMC has never claimed that all animals die due to stunning or that stunning the animal renders the animal Haram automatically."

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire


"

From slaughterhouse to gravedigger. I'd love to read a book on your life. "
.jack of all trades master of none . .but if anyone witnessed a normal slaughter house compared to an animal bein killed Halal im sure nobody would think that the Halal way was any crueler . they both die upside down with the throat cut .and in a slaughter house its skinned and gutted and sawn in half ready for the chiller in no time. . same as building cars but different

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"

From slaughterhouse to gravedigger. I'd love to read a book on your life. .jack of all trades master of none . .but if anyone witnessed a normal slaughter house compared to an animal bein killed Halal im sure nobody would think that the Halal way was any crueler . they both die upside down with the throat cut .and in a slaughter house its skinned and gutted and sawn in half ready for the chiller in no time. . same as building cars but different "

flipping 'eck thats the most sensible post you have ever written lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is of course complete nonsense, pizza _xpress and kfc use a LOT of chickens, they are all factory killed and processed by the truck load. if they employed a man to say a prayer for each then slit it's throat that would be halal and kfc would cost at least 5x more than it does. some man may wander around the truck load of chickens doing a generic prayer... but I am 97.3659% sure that not a single chicken hears and understands the words, most are not believers anyway so they wouldn't give a damn if if they could understand him."

88.3% of all statistics are made up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

How do you know it's a lie?? "

Because it was in the paper = good chance of being a lie the!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I want the choice. To have that choice I need the information. If I eat fried chicken from an independent I can see if they have the halal sign above the door.

KFC do not do that. Same with pizzahut

I tend to eat curries from North Indian or Nepalese restaurants which are not halal rather than Bengali ones which are.

The nearest I get to kosher food are beigels (not bagels)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

From slaughterhouse to gravedigger. I'd love to read a book on your life. .jack of all trades master of none . .but if anyone witnessed a normal slaughter house compared to an animal bein killed Halal im sure nobody would think that the Halal way was any crueler . they both die upside down with the throat cut .and in a slaughter house its skinned and gutted and sawn in half ready for the chiller in no time. . same as building cars but different "

The chicken/cow/sheep dies in both so i guess your not wrong. Less humane ways? Better than a wild animal getting its throat ripped out? Who knows but slaughter houses slaughter animals.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any."

Jews

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Jews "
jews do eat halal,

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful "

you are not forced to eat at pizza _xpress

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

you are not forced to eat at pizza _xpress"

no but if its not stated on the box then realisticly you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Sikhs aren't allowed. It's blessed by another religion "

Because Sikhism advises vegetarianism

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful "

I'm a Christian and I don't find it disrespectful, and who is forcing you to eat halal ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful "

No one is asking you to eat it. But your saying Muslims should eat none halal.

It's a choice and if you disagree with meat slaughtered in a particular method, that's your opinion and neither right or wrong as long as your informed and then choose not to purchase food from there, just as someone chooses to purchase it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

I'm a Christian and I don't find it disrespectful, and who is forcing you to eat halal ?"

Since the last post on subway, I can honestly say we are proud to be part of this open minded community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who cares how a chicken is killed, at the end of the day your still eating a animal that was alive. If you were concerned the slightest about that animal when it was alive then you shouldn't be eating it.

I'd rather be more bothered on how it's cooked and the cleanliness of the kitchen it was cooked in!!!"

I am not a vegan so cannot preach. My preference though is for an animal that has had a decent non-painful life and a similar death. Just call me unusual.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

you are not forced to eat at pizza _xpress

no but if its not stated on the box then realisticly you are "

if you are so opposed to it is the onus not on you to research it? until companies are obliged to put it on their menu's they wont do it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Who cares how a chicken is killed, at the end of the day your still eating a animal that was alive. If you were concerned the slightest about that animal when it was alive then you shouldn't be eating it.

I'd rather be more bothered on how it's cooked and the cleanliness of the kitchen it was cooked in!!!

I am not a vegan so cannot preach. My preference though is for an animal that has had a decent non-painful life and a similar death. Just call me unusual."

any death is painful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't care as long as I can have steak

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

No one is asking you to eat it. But your saying Muslims should eat none halal.

It's a choice and if you disagree with meat slaughtered in a particular method, that's your opinion and neither right or wrong as long as your informed and then choose not to purchase food from there, just as someone chooses to purchase it. "

NO what im saying is it should state in the box in what way its been prepared ie Halal Kosher etc because the chicken beef lamb whatever is slaughtered might not be accordance with another religion i personaly don't give a hoot but a Jew sikh Buddhist might be... Its only respecting others...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

No one is asking you to eat it. But your saying Muslims should eat none halal.

It's a choice and if you disagree with meat slaughtered in a particular method, that's your opinion and neither right or wrong as long as your informed and then choose not to purchase food from there, just as someone chooses to purchase it.

NO what im saying is it should state in the box in what way its been prepared ie Halal Kosher etc because the chicken beef lamb whatever is slaughtered might not be accordance with another religion i personaly don't give a hoot but a Jew sikh Buddhist might be... Its only respecting others..."

no need to shout as just putting another view point across. If you read above i have actually said that they should tell customers

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By *sagent81Man
over a year ago

Leeds

Kfc tops a burger with bacon and pizza _xpress has many pork toppings. So neither chain are allowed if you follow a strict halal diet.

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By *ibbyhunterCouple
over a year ago

keighley

just out of interest whats the r s p c a stand on the way animals are killed for religious reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

any death is painful"

OK. Then my stated preference was not as accurate as it should have been. As painless as possible and, within reason, as practical as possible. I think my sentiment was clear. It may not be the same sentiment as yours, and that is fine.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Its just a total disregard of respect of other religions like Jews christians Buddhist Mormons etc etc i myself is an aithiest so having forced to eat religious orintated meat is disrespectful

No one is asking you to eat it. But your saying Muslims should eat none halal.

It's a choice and if you disagree with meat slaughtered in a particular method, that's your opinion and neither right or wrong as long as your informed and then choose not to purchase food from there, just as someone chooses to purchase it.

NO what im saying is it should state in the box in what way its been prepared ie Halal Kosher etc because the chicken beef lamb whatever is slaughtered might not be accordance with another religion i personaly don't give a hoot but a Jew sikh Buddhist might be... Its only respecting others..."

in the process.... kosher meat and halal meat is the same, the only main difference is the prayer...

so you get the weird situation that not all kosher meat is halal... but all halal meat is kosher

p.s the person saying the prayer does not have to be muslim....Meat slaughtered by people of the Jewish or Christian faith (People of the Book) may also be eaten.

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Jews jews do eat halal, "

Just spoke to a Jewish friend they said the method of slaugher is the same but halal doesn't totally drain the blood where as kosher does so Jews shouldn't eat halal meat

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i have just been reading up on the KFC thing.

Not all of their stores serve Halal meat, there is a list on their website of those that are.

All of their chicken are stunned prior to slaughter, even the Halal ones (the HFA have accredited and approved the method used by the slaughterhouses).

Stores that do serve Halal meat will have the HFA logo on the doors to make people aware of the fact.

So the only difference here is the fact that a verse from the Qu'ran is said when the Halal chikens are killed.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

also, pizza _xpress serve Halal chicken but also continue to serve beef, pork etc.

Once again their chicken is stunned before death

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

probs gonna go to hell for this,, but meat is meat.. not fussed on how its killed to be fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Errrr not to state the obvious, but not eating at fast food outlets seems the answer. I don't eat KFC, subway, etc for one reason. Coz it's all shitte halal or not.

More concerned with transfats tbh

Local fresh vegetables, and meat for me thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Jews jews do eat halal,

Just spoke to a Jewish friend they said the method of slaugher is the same but halal doesn't totally drain the blood where as kosher does so Jews shouldn't eat halal meat "

But Muslims can eat kosher meat without any problems

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By *issHottieBottie OP   Woman
over a year ago

Kent


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Jews jews do eat halal,

Just spoke to a Jewish friend they said the method of slaugher is the same but halal doesn't totally drain the blood where as kosher does so Jews shouldn't eat halal meat

But Muslims can eat kosher meat without any problems"

Yeah that's what she said x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"KFC have been Halal for quite a while.

But are there any religions that can't eat Halal?

I can't think of any.

Jews jews do eat halal,

Just spoke to a Jewish friend they said the method of slaugher is the same but halal doesn't totally drain the blood where as kosher does so Jews shouldn't eat halal meat

But Muslims can eat kosher meat without any problems"
a Jew can eat in a Muslims house but not sleep there and can sleep in a Gentiles house but not eat there

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