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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Could it be any worse than the current contenders, the self serving career politicians jockeying for the position?

Nick "i wont sell out my, or my parties principles for the least bit of job share" Clegg amongst them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes it would be worse.

And no; he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

maybe not farage himself but ukip may come to power at some point in the not too distant future

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It would certainly accelerate my plans to emigrate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm either going to continue voting green (left wing) or voting ukip (right wing).

But I'm done voting for the wishy washy middle so the main three are unelectable because of their past form.

And please people... Ukip party of the bankers... They couldn't be any more pro banker than the other 3 let's face it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Labour hasn't been a party of the working class since the 1980s.

Which is understandable really when you consider Britain has exported most of its Labour and doesn't really have a working class any more.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


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Could it be any worse than the current contenders, the self serving career politicians jockeying for the position?

Nick "i wont sell out my, or my parties principles for the least bit of job share" Clegg amongst them."

UKIP policies will come under increasing scrutiny in the run up to the election and become exposed just like everyone else. Then they will be left with just the people who would accept anything and everything as long as UKIP dealt a solution to their perceived immigrant issue.

For those prepared to take off their blinkers and look objectively at where we are considering the state of our European neighbours and indeed the economies of the rest of the world, the current government has done quite a good job and deserve some credit. Unfortunately, that won't happen because people generally are far too set in their ways.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm either going to continue voting green (left wing) or voting ukip (right wing).

But I'm done voting for the wishy washy middle so the main three are unelectable because of their past form.

And please people... Ukip party of the bankers... They couldn't be any more pro banker than the other 3 let's face it."

Good post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real"

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour hasn't been a party of the working class since the 1980s.

Which is understandable really when you consider Britain has exported most of its Labour and doesn't really have a working class any more."
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They strangled labour in the 70s.

The rich dug a nice big hole for them and they pulled the soil over themselves once there'd fallen in it.

Until we have a free press by that I mean one paper per billionaire were not going anywhere with politics in this country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't believe Farage is a self-serving toff, who's only in politics for his own gain, then I think you're sorely mistaken.

Nose in the trough just like the rest of them. UKIP? Really? Their policies are ill-thought-out at best and Farage is a mouthpiece for hatred.

The sooner they go away the better. Preying on minority communities who are already in desperate situations is merely history repeating itself and anyone who supports them is being horribly mislead.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected."

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham


"Labour hasn't been a party of the working class since the 1980s.

Which is understandable really when you consider Britain has exported most of its Labour and doesn't really have a working class any more..

They strangled labour in the 70s.

The rich dug a nice big hole for them and they pulled the soil over themselves once there'd fallen in it.

Until we have a free press by that I mean one paper per billionaire were not going anywhere with politics in this country."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire "

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

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Who are you suggesting people vote for?

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By *allSlimOneMan
over a year ago

Worcester

Dom would be a better candidate with Steph pulling the strings

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who are you suggesting people vote for?"

The Green party? A party who the BBC are conveniently ignoring in all their polls. Failing to represent them on any level.

Farage and is bunch of tory-goons are doing nothing to help the people they claim to represent at all. Privatisation of the NHS? Really? You think that's a good idea, taking the US route toward insurance-based health-care in the UK?

Come off it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dont trust any of them to do the best for us.

People seem to have short memories regarding the credibility of the tories, the tories didnt want a minimum wage they wanted companies to pay as little in wages as they could get away with and upon losing the election to blair swore to scrap it as soon as they were re-elected. Also remember the Westland affair where 2 senior tory ministers were prepared to let 2 innocent westland helicopter directors take the rap for some exports to iraq i think, may of been elsewhere.

Then theres the crap labour party who ditched it alegience to the working man and decided to cuddle up closer with the middle and upper classes just to get into power.

Then there is the joke called the lib dems who will ditch any policies and policies just for a chance to get into power.

I will be voting UKIP not because i like Farage , but to hopefully give the main parties a shake up which is long over due. And yes partly due to the immigration issue and Europe as a whole,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who are you suggesting people vote for?

The Green party? A party who the BBC are conveniently ignoring in all their polls. Failing to represent them on any level.

Farage and is bunch of tory-goons are doing nothing to help the people they claim to represent at all. Privatisation of the NHS? Really? You think that's a good idea, taking the US route toward insurance-based health-care in the UK?

Come off it."
.I've voted green for nearly 16 years... Your wasting your time they'll never get in for years, they can't even agree amongst themselves all anyone in Brighton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

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So he lives in a world very far removed from the people he claims to represent, so do a lot of other people, so what.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire "

Because how and others like him would never know how the other half live.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yes it would be worse.

And no; he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected."

I agree..not in this coming election anyway..but if things don't change and I doubt they will..? then having a UKIP government running the country in another 5 years time could become very real indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who is Farage and what's a PM?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are none of you interested in their other policies? Is everything you base your vote on, about immigration? Or your dislike of the other parties?

Wake up, look at the broader picture.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Because how and others like him would never know how the other half live."

Because him and others like him would never know how the other half live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who are you suggesting people vote for?

The Green party? A party who the BBC are conveniently ignoring in all their polls. Failing to represent them on any level.

Farage and is bunch of tory-goons are doing nothing to help the people they claim to represent at all. Privatisation of the NHS? Really? You think that's a good idea, taking the US route toward insurance-based health-care in the UK?

Come off it."
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Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

"

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think he'd make a terrible PM. Unless you are white, middle class, straight and fit within UKIPs criteria of what they like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want."

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen.

"

never say never squire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In the past I’ve lived in a Britain governed by a party I did voted for…..

I’ve also lived in a Britain governed by a party I did not vote for….

I’m now living in a Britain governed by a coalition that no-body voted for….

I don’t want or expect to live in Britain governed UKIP and if that ever happens I won’t be happy about it, but I will accept that sufficient people felt that is what they wanted and I’ll continue to behave like a reasonable and responsible adult until such times as the nation is called upon to decides what comes next..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

So he lives in a world very far removed from the people he claims to represent, so do a lot of other people, so what."

Do you think that's a good thing? That someone who's background is the very definition of privilege, greed and selfishness claims to represent the working classes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So he lives in a world very far removed from the people he claims to represent, so do a lot of other people, so what.

Do you think that's a good thing? That someone who's background is the very definition of privilege, greed and selfishness claims to represent the working classes?

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By *ovepieceMan
over a year ago

Borth


"Who are you suggesting people vote for?

The Green party? A party who the BBC are conveniently ignoring in all their polls. Failing to represent them on any level.

Farage and is bunch of tory-goons are doing nothing to help the people they claim to represent at all. Privatisation of the NHS? Really? You think that's a good idea, taking the US route toward insurance-based health-care in the UK?

Come off it..I've voted green for nearly 16 years... Your wasting your time they'll never get in for years, they can't even agree amongst themselves all anyone in Brighton"

In a recent poll, nearly 25% of people said they'd vote Green if we ditched the first past the post system so they didn't have to vote tacticaly. For me, the Greens and Plaid Cymru are the only parties with policies progressive and radical enough to create the society I want for our future generations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Because how and others like him would never know how the other half live.

Because him and others like him would never know how the other half live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP."
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That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

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By *ovepieceMan
over a year ago

Borth

I can recommend the book 'Harry's Last Stand' it's an easy read and an incredible account from a man in his early nineties who speaks of life before social housing and the NHS. It's very moving and a stark warning!!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

"

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Voting Labour if you were poor and working-class made sense when you actually had a class system that consisted of upper class; middle class and working class.

However, since the middle classes have expanded, and the working classes no longer work in the big manufacturing industries, together with the rise of an underclass, that party has lost its raison d'etre.

It is now a middle-class party like all the others.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


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That someone who's background is the very definition of privilege, greed and selfishness claims to represent the working classes?

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we have had that though for the past err 40 odd years ..

disclaimer, i am not suggesting that farage is any different..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction."

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can recommend the book 'Harry's Last Stand' it's an easy read and an incredible account from a man in his early nineties who speaks of life before social housing and the NHS. It's very moving and a stark warning!!"

I've never understood people who complain about the NHS or the benefits system.

They may not be the most efficient of state organs, but I would prefer them any day over starving to death because I'd lost my job or dying of gangrene because I'd broken my leg and couldn't afford medical care.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

"

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no doubt that the middle of the road politics now rule the country as all current parties are scared witless of some radical departures from what is now the norm.

However I do not see Mr Farrage and his cohorts standing up to the scrutiny that will come with the looming general election. UKIPs stance on immigration and Europe resemble a two trick pony with neither of these fundamental planks of the party's foundations being thought through with any intellectual conclusion. The muddled economic policy would see public spending increase and some economists predict a 5 pence in the pound tax increase to cover the pledges.

We do need to look at all the "scared cows" and try improve the welfare state, education and health systems. A fair progressive tax system needs to be employed to include the closing of tax avoidance schemes. Universal benefits should be scrapped as its ridiculous to pay child care to a family with a joint income of £40k or more.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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Do you think that's a good thing? That someone who's background is the very definition of privilege, greed and selfishness claims to represent the working classes?

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I know you are not asking me the question but I don't think it is a bad thing that someone has money and lets face it, every PM seemed to be in good positions. I do however think if they are going to run the country then they need to know how it feels for the little man at the bottom.

Maybe they should live on benefits or minimum wage for a time to see how it is...and not just for a week, maybe a year.

I am guessing they wouldn't last five minutes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn. "

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nah, Only plumber who would want Barrage as a Plumbers Mate is Mario and he already has one

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"There is no doubt that the middle of the road politics now rule the country as all current parties are scared witless of some radical departures from what is now the norm.

However I do not see Mr Farrage and his cohorts standing up to the scrutiny that will come with the looming general election. UKIPs stance on immigration and Europe resemble a two trick pony with neither of these fundamental planks of the party's foundations being thought through with any intellectual conclusion. The muddled economic policy would see public spending increase and some economists predict a 5 pence in the pound tax increase to cover the pledges.

We do need to look at all the "scared cows" and try improve the welfare state, education and health systems. A fair progressive tax system needs to be employed to include the closing of tax avoidance schemes. Universal benefits should be scrapped as its ridiculous to pay child care to a family with a joint income of £40k or more. "

Indeed, other than immigration and Europe I'm not sure what they stand for or what their policies are. Have to say, haven't looked very hard though.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims. "

Since farages background is not as privileged as Tony's was, would you have said the same about Tony Benn?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They all are self serving puppets no intrest in the common man just garbage producing more garbage liblabcon add ukip to that.

I have had to argue with a few so called freinds who are voting ukip everybody has an opinion but no just no way wolves in sheeps clothing they will make the country worse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'."
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Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Do you think that's a good thing? That someone who's background is the very definition of privilege, greed and selfishness claims to represent the working classes?

I know you are not asking me the question but I don't think it is a bad thing that someone has money and lets face it, every PM seemed to be in good positions. I do however think if they are going to run the country then they need to know how it feels for the little man at the bottom.

Maybe they should live on benefits or minimum wage for a time to see how it is...and not just for a week, maybe a year.

I am guessing they wouldn't last five minutes."

I think my other post has already kind of answered this. I don't have a problem with wealth. I struggle with politicians (of all parties) who clearly have no idea what life is like for the vast majority of people. And that's not just those at the very bottom, most of them couldn't relate to the sort of budgeting decisions even relatively comfortable households have to make

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over a year ago


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?"

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

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over a year ago

Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living.

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over a year ago


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living. "

I can only put it down to envy.

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

"

Good topics there. Do you think that this government has fabricated the threat from radical Islam to blind people to those issues?

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over a year ago


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

"
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I'm still looking for anyone to actually put people before commerce or the environment before either... What good is wealth or health when you live in a toxic Shithole

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over a year ago


"There is no doubt that the middle of the road politics now rule the country as all current parties are scared witless of some radical departures from what is now the norm.

However I do not see Mr Farrage and his cohorts standing up to the scrutiny that will come with the looming general election. UKIPs stance on immigration and Europe resemble a two trick pony with neither of these fundamental planks of the party's foundations being thought through with any intellectual conclusion. The muddled economic policy would see public spending increase and some economists predict a 5 pence in the pound tax increase to cover the pledges.

We do need to look at all the "scared cows" and try improve the welfare state, education and health systems. A fair progressive tax system needs to be employed to include the closing of tax avoidance schemes. Universal benefits should be scrapped as its ridiculous to pay child care to a family with a joint income of £40k or more.

Indeed, other than immigration and Europe I'm not sure what they stand for or what their policies are. Have to say, haven't looked very hard though."
Sadly I have! The last thing we need is a bunch of white middle class men with very narrow views in charge of this sceptre Isle!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living. "

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over a year ago


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

Good topics there. Do you think that this government has fabricated the threat from radical Islam to blind people to those issues?"

Not fabricated, but grossly exaggurated.

Just as the American government did the 1950s with Communism.

Sure, ISIS and their ilk need to be stopped, but they're hardly going to finish off Western Civilisation.

Chinese industrial might is far more likely to do that.

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over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen."

And how do you know that.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living. "

in essence and echoing Ruggers and Crystals post above i agree with you but the main word is 'should'..

there is a detachment by virtue of birth that effectively means that those governing 'us' have little idea of the actual issue's that the majority of us in society have to deal with..

its not about envy its about reality and they are far from it and lets be honest just say what they think 'we' want to hear to be re elected..

you wont see them or theirs waiting in an A & E department which is understaffed, maybe if that happened they may take note instead of paying lip service..

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over a year ago

At first I thought the idea would be abhorrent....but then I re-read the OPs question. Could it be any worse? I looked at the other leaders and realised....actually no ..it probably couldn't.

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over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'..

Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort "

So...don't go out and protest then (I've honestly never seen the point).

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By *exyLancs2Couple
over a year ago

Manchester


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

Good topics there. Do you think that this government has fabricated the threat from radical Islam to blind people to those issues?

Not fabricated, but grossly exaggurated.

Just as the American government did the 1950s with Communism.

Sure, ISIS and their ilk need to be stopped, but they're hardly going to finish off Western Civilisation.

Chinese industrial might is far more likely to do that."

If any exaggerating is going on I think the media is more responsible than the government. A great deal of what the government does will be behinds the scenes via the security services.

Never thought about Chinese industrial might before.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'..

Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort

So...don't go out and protest then (I've honestly never seen the point).

"
.

Because it's a way of easing my conscience when my kids and grandkids ask wtf did your generation do to the planet to fuck it up this badly, at least I can look them in the eye and say I tried.

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over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims.

Since farages background is not as privileged as Tony's was, would you have said the same about Tony Benn?"

Ok tell me what Farage has ever done that indicates he is a man of the people? As opposed to tge voice of intolerance and bigotry?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen.

And how do you know that."

Because he is a fringe politician with fringe policies.

In order to get elected, you need serious bucks behind you.

No big businesses are going to back UKIP, none of them will donate to them.

Can't say the same thing about the Tories or Labour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From the end of World War Two to the fall of the Soviet Union, western governments and political parties used the 'threat' of Communism (particularly in the US) to distract people from the real problems.

Post-9/11, that has been replaced with the 'threat' of radical Islam for the same purpose.

Come on, its not rocket science.

So what are the 'real problems'? And in what way does recognising that there is a threat from radical, politicised Islam (not moderate) distract from them?

*The environment

*The economy

*Education

*Health care

*Inequality (both in opportunity and riches)

*Crime

*The increasing dependence of the western economies on Chinese manufacturing power

etc. etc. etc.

Good topics there. Do you think that this government has fabricated the threat from radical Islam to blind people to those issues?

Not fabricated, but grossly exaggurated.

Just as the American government did the 1950s with Communism.

Sure, ISIS and their ilk need to be stopped, but they're hardly going to finish off Western Civilisation.

Chinese industrial might is far more likely to do that.

If any exaggerating is going on I think the media is more responsible than the government. A great deal of what the government does will be behinds the scenes via the security services.

Never thought about Chinese industrial might before. "

And the media is owned by...

And you do realise how much of American and British goods are made in China today?

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over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims.

Since farages background is not as privileged as Tony's was, would you have said the same about Tony Benn?

Ok tell me what Farage has ever done that indicates he is a man of the people? As opposed to tge voice of intolerance and bigotry? "
there is no politicians of the people.... None, there all long gone.

It's just corporate lackys and non executive board members all educated in the same classroom.

The problem with society is their looking for someone to be "in it" for them.... Never going to fucking happen, get off your arses and start doing it for yourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen.

And how do you know that.

Because he is a fringe politician with fringe policies.

In order to get elected, you need serious bucks behind you.

No big businesses are going to back UKIP, none of them will donate to them.

Can't say the same thing about the Tories or Labour."

We will just have to wait and see wont we.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'..

Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort

So...don't go out and protest then (I've honestly never seen the point).

.

Because it's a way of easing my conscience when my kids and grandkids ask wtf did your generation do to the planet to fuck it up this badly, at least I can look them in the eye and say I tried.

"

Oh I plan to do that.

I'm going to look them in the eye and go 'granddad didn't vote for UKIP'.

That's if anyone remembers who UKIP are by then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims.

Since farages background is not as privileged as Tony's was, would you have said the same about Tony Benn?

Ok tell me what Farage has ever done that indicates he is a man of the people? As opposed to tge voice of intolerance and bigotry? there is no politicians of the people.... None, there all long gone.

It's just corporate lackys and non executive board members all educated in the same classroom.

The problem with society is their looking for someone to be "in it" for them.... Never going to fucking happen, get off your arses and start doing it for yourselves."

Good point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living.

in essence and echoing Ruggers and Crystals post above i agree with you but the main word is 'should'..

there is a detachment by virtue of birth that effectively means that those governing 'us' have little idea of the actual issue's that the majority of us in society have to deal with..

its not about envy its about reality and they are far from it and lets be honest just say what they think 'we' want to hear to be re elected..

you wont see them or theirs waiting in an A & E department which is understaffed, maybe if that happened they may take note instead of paying lip service.. "

So do something about it. You are bright, articulate, have opinions. Stand. Because "ordinary folks" are unwilling to take up public office should we moan about those who do and constantly question their motives?

And I'm sure Cameron would take issue with your last comment given what happened with his son and what he has subsequently had to say about the amazing job the NHS did.

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over a year ago


" he doesn't have a hope in hell of being elected.

this..

despite the state of the present 3 leaders and their own particular failings..

He still doesn't have a hope in hell of ever becoming Prime Minister, nor is a UKIP government ever going to happen.

And how do you know that.

Because he is a fringe politician with fringe policies.

In order to get elected, you need serious bucks behind you.

No big businesses are going to back UKIP, none of them will donate to them.

Can't say the same thing about the Tories or Labour.

We will just have to wait and see wont we."

So big businesses-many owned or ran by those who are of immigrant descent or are immigrants themselves are going to back a party that is anti-immigration?

Can't see Arab or Russian businessmen with their hands in a big slice of British capital putting their money behind UKIP

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over a year ago

The real fact is in a hung situation they may form a government with one of the big two....Clegg sold his parties and his own soul siding with the very thing the liberals are meant to stand for.

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over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'..

Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort

So...don't go out and protest then (I've honestly never seen the point).

.

Because it's a way of easing my conscience when my kids and grandkids ask wtf did your generation do to the planet to fuck it up this badly, at least I can look them in the eye and say I tried.

Oh I plan to do that.

I'm going to look them in the eye and go 'granddad didn't vote for UKIP'.

That's if anyone remembers who UKIP are by then."
.

I somehow think we'll have bigger problems than that by then.

It's going to get real scary real soon. And there won't be placating a few people with immigration once it starts.

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over a year ago


"The real fact is in a hung situation they may form a government with one of the big two....Clegg sold his parties and his own soul siding with the very thing the liberals are meant to stand for."

^This on the other hand *is* possible.

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over a year ago

I will be voting Labour...Again!

The same way I've voted since i was old enough to vote.

And when they get into power, i fully expect to be fucked by them...Again!

But unlike the current shower of cnuts, at least Labour have the decency to use a bit of lube before they bend me over!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"It waa good to see the multi-millionaire public educated banker once again showing us how he is a true man iofthe people by attending his local Boxing Day hunt. Mind at least he was drinking a pint to keep it real

So what if he is a multi-millionaire

Do you have an opinion on him being pro-hunt Hilda? After all you are vocal in your love of animals?

As for him being a millionaire, read the whole post rather tgan highlight one word. The point I was making is he lives in a world very far removed from tge people he claims to represent. So how dol he and a bunch of tory defectors represent change?

Would that apply to any millionaire or just farage? I'm just curious as my favourite politician was the late, great Tony Benn.

I've not said that there's anything wrong with being a millionaire. I am just suggesting that Farage's background hardly makes him the ideal candidate to be the voice of the people llike he claims.

Since farages background is not as privileged as Tony's was, would you have said the same about Tony Benn?

Ok tell me what Farage has ever done that indicates he is a man of the people? As opposed to tge voice of intolerance and bigotry? "

I have no need to, that really is a very silly request. I asked a question based on your assertion that farages background excludes him from being a voice of the people. Does your argument hold any water at all given the background and record of Tony Benn? I think not and I feel that you are painting yourself into a corner.

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over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'..

Your still of the mind set that your handing over your power to a higher class.

To see people for what they are and use them for your own means is real power. And real power returning to the population is the one thing that keeps politicians awake at night.

Either don't vote and live with the same old same old, but I've had 16 years of that shit and got no where so now I'm voting ukip as one in the eye but mostly I'm out at protests way more than I've ever been, and to be honest it's just like voting green.... A complete waste of fucking effort

So...don't go out and protest then (I've honestly never seen the point).

.

Because it's a way of easing my conscience when my kids and grandkids ask wtf did your generation do to the planet to fuck it up this badly, at least I can look them in the eye and say I tried.

Oh I plan to do that.

I'm going to look them in the eye and go 'granddad didn't vote for UKIP'.

That's if anyone remembers who UKIP are by then..

I somehow think we'll have bigger problems than that by then.

It's going to get real scary real soon. And there won't be placating a few people with immigration once it starts."

Good post!

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"The real fact is in a hung situation they may form a government with one of the big two....Clegg sold his parties and his own soul siding with the very thing the liberals are meant to stand for."

It took the Labour Party about 28 years from getting their first elected mp to forming a coalition government.

I think ukip will easily beat that record so long as people continue to simply hurl insults rather than debating policies.

Insults and posturing never won a debate.

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over a year ago


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living. "

Strange then that if you are right that Churchill was resoundingly rejected by the public in 1945 or were the electorate that grateful they voted him a few years off as a reward?

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over a year ago


"The real fact is in a hung situation they may form a government with one of the big two....Clegg sold his parties and his own soul siding with the very thing the liberals are meant to stand for.

It took the Labour Party about 28 years from getting their first elected mp to forming a coalition government.

I think ukip will easily beat that record so long as people continue to simply hurl insults rather than debating policies.

Insults and posturing never won a debate."
Though thats usually how the politicians act when cornered

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living.

in essence and echoing Ruggers and Crystals post above i agree with you but the main word is 'should'..

there is a detachment by virtue of birth that effectively means that those governing 'us' have little idea of the actual issue's that the majority of us in society have to deal with..

its not about envy its about reality and they are far from it and lets be honest just say what they think 'we' want to hear to be re elected..

you wont see them or theirs waiting in an A & E department which is understaffed, maybe if that happened they may take note instead of paying lip service..

So do something about it. You are bright, articulate, have opinions. Stand. Because "ordinary folks" are unwilling to take up public office should we moan about those who do and constantly question their motives?

And I'm sure Cameron would take issue with your last comment given what happened with his son and what he has subsequently had to say about the amazing job the NHS did. "

on the 'stand' point i was asked when i was a union official to be the candidate for respect locally but they are not my cup of tea..

'ordinary folks are overlooked unless they are 'nodding dogs' who have been through the system of doing politics at Uni then an intern with a friend of ones parents or sponsored however they only want 'yes men/women' who will abide by what the whips say..

fair point on Cameron but its the exception and tbh he seems to like mentioning the child whenever he wants to make a political point which i find a bit sickening..

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over a year ago

Slow news day? WTF resurrected this one?

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

Love the term "poundshop enoch powell", but if you look at enoch powell, you'll find he was actually a good politician, who happened to make a speech that a hell of lot of people disagreed with and turned his name to mud, forgetting and rubbishing all and any past achievements. So now his name will forever be linked with extreme racism, and used by ill informed people as a stick with which to beat people who have an immagration opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why are people so hung up on what backgrounds others have? What counts is what and who they stand for. The only criteria I look for is are they up to the job irrespective of race, creed, colour or background. I don't recall many folks complaining that Churchill was a privileged toff with no understanding of "how the other half live".

Politics should be about policies and ability to govern, it has bugger all to do with where someone went to school or how they made a living.

in essence and echoing Ruggers and Crystals post above i agree with you but the main word is 'should'..

there is a detachment by virtue of birth that effectively means that those governing 'us' have little idea of the actual issue's that the majority of us in society have to deal with..

its not about envy its about reality and they are far from it and lets be honest just say what they think 'we' want to hear to be re elected..

you wont see them or theirs waiting in an A & E department which is understaffed, maybe if that happened they may take note instead of paying lip service..

So do something about it. You are bright, articulate, have opinions. Stand. Because "ordinary folks" are unwilling to take up public office should we moan about those who do and constantly question their motives?

And I'm sure Cameron would take issue with your last comment given what happened with his son and what he has subsequently had to say about the amazing job the NHS did.

on the 'stand' point i was asked when i was a union official to be the candidate for respect locally but they are not my cup of tea..

'ordinary folks are overlooked unless they are 'nodding dogs' who have been through the system of doing politics at Uni then an intern with a friend of ones parents or sponsored however they only want 'yes men/women' who will abide by what the whips say..

fair point on Cameron but its the exception and tbh he seems to like mentioning the child whenever he wants to make a political point which i find a bit sickening.. "

You should stand, go for it. It is hard but it can be done. A good friend of mine has done it locally and is now in charge of housing for a major London Borough and is making a change. He isn't a politico, he went to the local comp, he has a small company of his own and had to knock on lots of doors in a Tory area to win his election for Labour. It can be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love the term "poundshop enoch powell", but if you look at enoch powell, you'll find he was actually a good politician, who happened to make a speech that a hell of lot of people disagreed with and turned his name to mud, forgetting and rubbishing all and any past achievements. So now his name will forever be linked with extreme racism, and used by ill informed people as a stick with which to beat people who have an immagration opinion."

Good post.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I'd like to see him become prime minister

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love the term "poundshop enoch powell", but if you look at enoch powell, you'll find he was actually a good politician, who happened to make a speech that a hell of lot of people disagreed with and turned his name to mud, forgetting and rubbishing all and any past achievements. So now his name will forever be linked with extreme racism, and used by ill informed people as a stick with which to beat people who have an immagration opinion."
Well said.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'."

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself. "

Nice one!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Would be fine by me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself. "

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nigel Farage has as much chance of becoming Prime Minister as I have of getting a meet before 2015.

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over a year ago

Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

"

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love the term "poundshop enoch powell", but if you look at enoch powell, you'll find he was actually a good politician, who happened to make a speech that a hell of lot of people disagreed with and turned his name to mud, forgetting and rubbishing all and any past achievements. So now his name will forever be linked with extreme racism, and used by ill informed people as a stick with which to beat people who have an immagration opinion.Well said. "

Does that mean people also forget that in 1963 as Health Minister Powell instigated a mass immigration of health workers from the West indies,India and Pakistan only to totally reverse his position 5 years later with his "Rivers of Blood" speech? - political expediency is nothing new it seems and perhaps Clegg took a leaf out of Powell's book

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over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that. "

It's completely logical that you use it as an argument to attack him with. And indeed compared to some of the laughbale attacks on him a far stronger argument than most kippers have used to discredit him.

So everyone that is disillusioned with the main parties and the political status quo should start their own party? Seriously?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

the Farage and Brand 'link' is a total cop out and just another diversion to detract from Farage and ukip..

to expect every political commentator or pundit, comedian or activist who criticises x, y or z to 'back up' their viewpoint by standing for office so they could be equally held to account is twaddle..

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that.

It's completely logical that you use it as an argument to attack him with. And indeed compared to some of the laughbale attacks on him a far stronger argument than most kippers have used to discredit him.

So everyone that is disillusioned with the main parties and the political status quo should start their own party? Seriously? "

No not everyone, just Russel Brand as he is the one who goes on programmes like Newsnight and Question time to put his views forward to the masses. If you are going to go on programmes like that at least have the courage of your convictions and stand for election.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"the Farage and Brand 'link' is a total cop out and just another diversion to detract from Farage and ukip..

to expect every political commentator or pundit, comedian or activist who criticises x, y or z to 'back up' their viewpoint by standing for office so they could be equally held to account is twaddle.."

Most political commentators/pundits/comedians/activists vote for somone when it comes to elections. Russel Brand is unique in that he does'nt tie himself to any party, refuses to vote and tells everyone else not to vote because he feels there is nothing worth voting for. Taking that stand it stands to reason the only solution would be for him to stand for election himself/start his own political party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that.

It's completely logical that you use it as an argument to attack him with. And indeed compared to some of the laughbale attacks on him a far stronger argument than most kippers have used to discredit him.

So everyone that is disillusioned with the main parties and the political status quo should start their own party? Seriously?

No not everyone, just Russel Brand as he is the one who goes on programmes like Newsnight and Question time to put his views forward to the masses. If you are going to go on programmes like that at least have the courage of your convictions and stand for election."

But there are plenty of pundits on newsnight and QT who aren't politicians. Why and how is Brand different to them?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"the Farage and Brand 'link' is a total cop out and just another diversion to detract from Farage and ukip..

to expect every political commentator or pundit, comedian or activist who criticises x, y or z to 'back up' their viewpoint by standing for office so they could be equally held to account is twaddle..

Most political commentators/pundits/comedians/activists vote for somone when it comes to elections. Russel Brand is unique in that he does'nt tie himself to any party, refuses to vote and tells everyone else not to vote because he feels there is nothing worth voting for. Taking that stand it stands to reason the only solution would be for him to stand for election himself/start his own political party."

we shall have to agree to disagree..

i see it only as distraction away from the main issue again by a ukip supporter..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that.

It's completely logical that you use it as an argument to attack him with. And indeed compared to some of the laughbale attacks on him a far stronger argument than most kippers have used to discredit him.

So everyone that is disillusioned with the main parties and the political status quo should start their own party? Seriously?

No not everyone, just Russel Brand as he is the one who goes on programmes like Newsnight and Question time to put his views forward to the masses. If you are going to go on programmes like that at least have the courage of your convictions and stand for election."

Well Russel Brand did come up with his memorable "poundshop Enoch Powell" jibe but in reality he is only practising exactly the same sort of demagoguery as Farage himself and didn't Farage first emerge as an "anti-politician" in the same way as Brand is now doing?

Populism is no guarantee of rightness or strength merely of opportunism- and yes Brand should put his money where his mouth is

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over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite. "

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Labour brought in more pfi and privatisation of hospitals than anyone and the Tories couldn't wait to sign the agreement to flog the lot off... Please singling out ukip as the political baddies is exactly the other three want.

UKIP are really just the tory party anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone out to be the baddies, since they're all self-serving toffs anyway. I'm not someone who's playing them off against each other.

Absolutely, Labour were the worst for privatisation, but dwelling on the past isn't going to help the future, and neither are UKIP..

That's where I think your wrong.. You see I'm a green for life, but here's the crunch with the green party, right now they have less chance of getting in than ukip, the minute the sun and the star run the headline that the green party will put up fuel tax including airline fuel subsidies, their finished as the vast amount of people won't vote for them.

Now voting in ukip for 5 years might not be my given choice but getting out of this constant labour/Tory spiral is the first step in the right direction.

I will never vote for UKIP, not even to break the cycle as you put it.

While I may not agree with everything Russell Brand says, I think he had it right when he called him a 'Poundshop Enoch Powell'.

Wondered when Russel Brands name would come up, lol. Many people on this thread pointing at Farages wealth, the man on the left Brand has many more millions in his bank account than Farage deos. At least Farage has the backbone to stand for election for what he believes in, while self styled man of the people Brand is to spineless to stand for election himself.

A fail to see the logic that anyone that puts themself forward as a campaigner/activist/agitator must stand as a politician?

It is completely logical. He constantly complains that non of the parties give him anything to vote for. Tells other people not to bother voting. So then why does'nt he start a party of his own and stand for election on it? He has wealth and the public profile for it. He showed himself up on Question time when he said "I'm scared i'll turn into one of them". That was a cop out, and i fail to see how anyone can take what he says seriously after that.

It's completely logical that you use it as an argument to attack him with. And indeed compared to some of the laughbale attacks on him a far stronger argument than most kippers have used to discredit him.

So everyone that is disillusioned with the main parties and the political status quo should start their own party? Seriously?

No not everyone, just Russel Brand as he is the one who goes on programmes like Newsnight and Question time to put his views forward to the masses. If you are going to go on programmes like that at least have the courage of your convictions and stand for election.

But there are plenty of pundits on newsnight and QT who aren't politicians. Why and how is Brand different to them?

"

read the post above, where many other pundits will vote for someone when it comes to election time. Russel Brand seems to be unique in that he does'nt vote himself and tells everyone else not to bother voting.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

Brand was very weak. Very good at negativity but no ideas.

I suppose standing for election might encourage him to crystallise his ideas and the he could be judged properly.

As it is he jusy enjoys a bully pulpit where no-one dares to challenge him

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over a year ago


"Brand was very weak. Very good at negativity but no ideas.

I suppose standing for election might encourage him to crystallise his ideas and the he could be judged properly.

As it is he jusy enjoys a bully pulpit where no-one dares to challenge him"

No ine dares to challenge him? Seriously? The Daily mail and Sun have bothe had front pages attacking him!

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

He has a one-way thing going though. He comes out with a lot of negativity and no ordinary citizen has the opportunity to challenge him

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

"

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members. "

Martyn Heale, Kent Chairman and a county councillor. So he's relatively high profile I'm sure you'd agree?

So the no extremsist stance is a proven lie.

Would you not agree that this policy is something that UKIP have been very vocal about?

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By *etitmortCouple
over a year ago

ipswich

Despite the massive amount of mud slinging and mis information that has been directed at UKIP they continue to grow and have success that has not been seen in politics for a very very long time.

If people take the time to find out the truth, read the common sense policies and recognise that a lot of ordinary people are involved , rather than focusing on the Tory defectors and recycling the bullshit that has become accepted, then perhaps politics might "grow up" a bit.

As for Brand, well most of the time he's incoherent and hasn't a bloody clue!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Despite the massive amount of mud slinging and mis information that has been directed at UKIP they continue to grow and have success that has not been seen in politics for a very very long time.

If people take the time to find out the truth, read the common sense policies and recognise that a lot of ordinary people are involved , rather than focusing on the Tory defectors and recycling the bullshit that has become accepted, then perhaps politics might "grow up" a bit.

As for Brand, well most of the time he's incoherent and hasn't a bloody clue!"

Do you have a link to UKIPs policies?

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members.

Martyn Heale, Kent Chairman and a county councillor. So he's relatively high profile I'm sure you'd agree?

So the no extremsist stance is a proven lie.

Would you not agree that this policy is something that UKIP have been very vocal about?

"

I had not heard about this but then again i don't read the guardian, lol. Just looked it up online. News reports say he was a member of the national front back in the 1970s, and regrets ever joining it. While we are on about the 1970's was'nt Labour party deputy leader Harriet Harman supporting a paedophile group back then, and she is still yet to apologise for it?

Anyway, back to Martyn Heale, it says he joined UKIP over a decade ago, before the rule came in to ban known former national front/BNP members to join UKIP, so technically it is not a lie, if he joined the party before the rule to ban was applied.

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"Despite the massive amount of mud slinging and mis information that has been directed at UKIP they continue to grow and have success that has not been seen in politics for a very very long time.

If people take the time to find out the truth, read the common sense policies and recognise that a lot of ordinary people are involved , rather than focusing on the Tory defectors and recycling the bullshit that has become accepted, then perhaps politics might "grow up" a bit.

As for Brand, well most of the time he's incoherent and hasn't a bloody clue!

Do you have a link to UKIPs policies?

"

I expect they will release a manifesto in due course for the general election as will Labour/Conservative/Greens/SNP/Lib dems and many other parties are yet to release their manifestos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Despite the massive amount of mud slinging and mis information that has been directed at UKIP they continue to grow and have success that has not been seen in politics for a very very long time.

If people take the time to find out the truth, read the common sense policies and recognise that a lot of ordinary people are involved , rather than focusing on the Tory defectors and recycling the bullshit that has become accepted, then perhaps politics might "grow up" a bit.

As for Brand, well most of the time he's incoherent and hasn't a bloody clue!

Do you have a link to UKIPs policies?

I expect they will release a manifesto in due course for the general election as will Labour/Conservative/Greens/SNP/Lib dems and many other parties are yet to release their manifestos. "

It;s just that the post I replied to suggested I take some time to read their policies.

I think the one thing we might both agree on is that that is an impossibility.

So what policies do they have. For example what is their policy on sex education in schools? Is it what Paul Nuttall said at their conference? Or what Farage said when interviewed a short while later and totally contradicted it?

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

I think people rightly make allowance for UKIP because they know they are inexperienced and don't have a huge policy-making department as the other parties do

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over a year ago


"I think people rightly make allowance for UKIP because they know they are inexperienced and don't have a huge policy-making department as the other parties do"

But surely the bare minimum expectation of a political party is to have policies?

And 21 years is not that new

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

A large policy department doesn't come with years - it comes with size. It remains a small party, surrounded by other parties that are very frightened - and it's members are bound to some things that are contradictory.

Most people understand that

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By *entaur_UKMan
over a year ago

Cannock


"I think people rightly make allowance for UKIP because they know they are inexperienced and don't have a huge policy-making department as the other parties do

But surely the bare minimum expectation of a political party is to have policies?

And 21 years is not that new

"

By and large most people know what UKIP stand for, but the finer details will be in the manifesto. Leaving the european union alone is good enough for most people. As is scrapping HS2 and nationalising toll roads such as the M6 toll instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A large policy department doesn't come with years - it comes with size. It remains a small party, surrounded by other parties that are very frightened - and it's members are bound to some things that are contradictory.

Most people understand that"

No I think most people expect a political party to have policies.

And while no one expects everyone to share the same view on every topic, I don't think that the expectation that the leader of a party might be familiar with a policy that the deputy leader had announced at their own party conference a few days earlier is particularly unreasonable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people rightly make allowance for UKIP because they know they are inexperienced and don't have a huge policy-making department as the other parties do

But surely the bare minimum expectation of a political party is to have policies?

And 21 years is not that new

By and large most people know what UKIP stand for, but the finer details will be in the manifesto. Leaving the european union alone is good enough for most people. As is scrapping HS2 and nationalising toll roads such as the M6 toll instead. "

No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West


"I think people rightly make allowance for UKIP because they know they are inexperienced and don't have a huge policy-making department as the other parties do"

That is quite an unbelievable thing to say. Presumably you also actually believe it too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members.

Martyn Heale, Kent Chairman and a county councillor. So he's relatively high profile I'm sure you'd agree?

So the no extremsist stance is a proven lie.

Would you not agree that this policy is something that UKIP have been very vocal about?

"
.

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members.

Martyn Heale, Kent Chairman and a county councillor. So he's relatively high profile I'm sure you'd agree?

So the no extremsist stance is a proven lie.

Would you not agree that this policy is something that UKIP have been very vocal about?

.

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the past I’ve lived in a Britain governed by a party I did voted for…..

I’ve also lived in a Britain governed by a party I did not vote for….

I’m now living in a Britain governed by a coalition that no-body voted for….

I don’t want or expect to live in Britain governed UKIP and if that ever happens I won’t be happy about it, but I will accept that sufficient people felt that is what they wanted and I’ll continue to behave like a reasonable and responsible adult until such times as the nation is called upon to decides what comes next..

"

And that folks is how democracy works. If you don't like democracy you can always emigrate to Zimbabwe or North Korea.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, would now be a good time to mention how UKIp are the only party that screen their memberships for links to far right organisations and bans people with links to join.

Oh no, wait. Yep that's just another empty UKIP soundbite.

Out of interest Centaur did you miss this? This has been one of your stock answers on many a UKIP thread

How can anyone trust a party that have lied to their own members? A party who doesn't enforce their own rules? Particular a rule they are very vocal about?

How can UKIP deny they are racist when a former member of the National Front holds a relatively powerful position?

So what else are they lying about?

I'm not aware of any former national front person holding a powerful position in UKIP? I've not been taking much notice of the news lately. But say there is, it follows that all parties have lied to their own members at one time or another, its nothing new, has always happened and will always happen in the future. I'm still not seeing that UKIP are a far right extremist party as you seem to think they are, i expect the likes of Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie who are asian/mixed race and black high profile members in UKIP to be the voice of ethnic minorities for many UKIP members.

Martyn Heale, Kent Chairman and a county councillor. So he's relatively high profile I'm sure you'd agree?

So the no extremsist stance is a proven lie.

Would you not agree that this policy is something that UKIP have been very vocal about?

.

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly"

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


".

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly"

stating that Harman was even remotely linked to that bunch of perverts aims is ludicrous, yes she should with hindsight maybe apologise for the links that existed between the NCCL and them but only if it can be shown that she was in support of them..

unless of course you know different..?

Was Cyril Smith not a liberal MP..?

which begs the question what files..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly

stating that Harman was even remotely linked to that bunch of perverts aims is ludicrous, yes she should with hindsight maybe apologise for the links that existed between the NCCL and them but only if it can be shown that she was in support of them..

unless of course you know different..?

Was Cyril Smith not a liberal MP..?

which begs the question what files..?

"

And let's not forget Thatcher has been linked to this too in newspaper reports earlier this year.

This was not a problem linked to just one party. All 3 major parties are implicated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies"

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

"

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website."

something which most of those advocating we all support farage seem to have failed to do..?

wonder why those hailing them don't know that..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?"

Are you sure?

I concede that their are links to what was said at their conference but as farage has already contradicted the deputy leader on what he announced I'm not sure we can believe it

And I'm not badgering anyone. Ukip are a one trick pony. The fact that their supporters are struck dumb or even more hilariously claim that it's ok for them to have non when asked about policy says it all. As does the defensive tone, seriously in a thread discussing the possibility of farage being pm the fact his supporters can't discuss policy says it all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Could it be any worse than the current contenders, the self serving career politicians jockeying for the position?

Nick "i wont sell out my, or my parties principles for the least bit of job share" Clegg amongst them."
If that happens could the last person leaving the country remember to turn the lights off! A buffoon of the first order.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?"

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

"

So quote policy and let's discuss it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

"

They don't look because they don't want to see. Don't forget that a lot of anti-Ukip may be Independent readers so some of the bigger words will be beyond them. If anyone finds this a problem, left click and sweep the word, then right-click and search google for the definition. A little education can go a long way, but only if people try.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

They don't look because they don't want to see. Don't forget that a lot of anti-Ukip may be Independent readers so some of the bigger words will be beyond them. If anyone finds this a problem, left click and sweep the word, then right-click and search google for the definition. A little education can go a long way, but only if people try."

Same with condescending..

pity as you normally debate well..

Indy, pah..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Why don't you busy your time sending emails to the labour party to release the files on Harman and the paedophile exchange that campaigned on behalf of those poor paedos.. Or see if the labour party while your at it will release the police files on Cyril smith that high ranking labour officials covered up for 40 years.... Ooh yes those lovely non racist mps who just rape minors, well that's all right as long as it's an all inclusive policy!.

... them fuckers you've been voting for for years make Nigel farage look positively saintly.... if the hypocrisy didn't stink so much I'd laugh my self silly

stating that Harman was even remotely linked to that bunch of perverts aims is ludicrous, yes she should with hindsight maybe apologise for the links that existed between the NCCL and them but only if it can be shown that she was in support of them..

unless of course you know different..?

Was Cyril Smith not a liberal MP..?

which begs the question what files..?

"
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Cyril smith stood for both sides as well as an independent.

The files I'm talking about are the police investigations that happened over several decades and why they were called off by high ranking ministers of the time, both labour and Tory.

Harman and her husband had more than tentative links to the paedophile exchange in fact there was also Sir Peter Hayman, the former deputy director of MI6, a member of the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) convicted of gross indecency in 1984.

Or the fact that Shami Chakrabarti, Liberty’s director, issued a public apology, saying it was “a source of continuing disgust and horror that even the NCCL had to expel paedophiles from its ranks in 1983 after infiltration at some point in the Seventies”..

There's loads of links of Hewitt and Harman and her husband were up to their necks in it.

But funnily enough I can't find any links for Nigel farage, plenty of links for him being a capitalist racist, I'll give you that much, but this witch hunt to make him out as Satan is fucking laughable considering the people we had and we currently have as mp,s.... Here's a story from the spectator and not the mail just to keep you happy.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2014/02/when-is-a-scandal-not-a-scandal/

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

"

A valid point, most of their supporters appear to only want to focus on the anti Europe and immigration stance they hold..

they as the ones intending to vote for ukip are the ones who need to educate themselves more about such policies..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

They don't look because they don't want to see. Don't forget that a lot of anti-Ukip may be Independent readers so some of the bigger words will be beyond them. If anyone finds this a problem, left click and sweep the word, then right-click and search google for the definition. A little education can go a long way, but only if people try."

Cheap insults. How do you think they add to a debate?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


".

Cyril smith stood for both sides as well as an independent.

There's loads of links of Hewitt and Harman and her husband were up to their necks in it.

"

he was labour locally then left and served 5 terms as a liberal MP..

these links, are they on the internet by any chance?

If anyone is found to have been complicit in any child abuse or cover up then they deserve to be dealt with as per the law of the land..

am under no doubt there have been some dodgy goings on 'across the board' which have been covered up but be objective perhaps..

who said he was 'Satan'..?

and why would you assume reading an article would keep me happy..?

strange..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

They don't look because they don't want to see. Don't forget that a lot of anti-Ukip may be Independent readers so some of the bigger words will be beyond them. If anyone finds this a problem, left click and sweep the word, then right-click and search google for the definition. A little education can go a long way, but only if people try.

Cheap insults. How do you think they add to a debate? "

With the same gravitas as someone who constantly harangues other posters for policies which are easily available for all to see online. Sauce for the goose and all that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Cyril smith stood for both sides as well as an independent.

There's loads of links of Hewitt and Harman and her husband were up to their necks in it.

he was labour locally then left and served 5 terms as a liberal MP..

these links, are they on the internet by any chance?

If anyone is found to have been complicit in any child abuse or cover up then they deserve to be dealt with as per the law of the land..

am under no doubt there have been some dodgy goings on 'across the board' which have been covered up but be objective perhaps..

who said he was 'Satan'..?

and why would you assume reading an article would keep me happy..?

strange.."
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Because you and fellow anti farage crew constantly try to make him out as some kind of evil guy where the entire country would be rounded up and shot if they weren't white.. Yadda yadda yadda while completely ignoring the failings and seriously illegal deeds of the people from the other options!.

Of course you can always come back with more pedantic nonsense like "how would an article keep me happy" "who said he was Satan" but the minute you do I just realised your just an immature fool and will no longer be carrying on debating the original point with you... Which was demonizing farage against the crop of mps we had/have is ridiculous.

So keep up the hypocrisy of cheap shots by ukip while continuing them yourselves.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


".

Cyril smith stood for both sides as well as an independent.

There's loads of links of Hewitt and Harman and her husband were up to their necks in it.

he was labour locally then left and served 5 terms as a liberal MP..

these links, are they on the internet by any chance?

If anyone is found to have been complicit in any child abuse or cover up then they deserve to be dealt with as per the law of the land..

am under no doubt there have been some dodgy goings on 'across the board' which have been covered up but be objective perhaps..

who said he was 'Satan'..?

and why would you assume reading an article would keep me happy..?

strange...

Because you and fellow anti farage crew constantly try to make him out as some kind of evil guy where the entire country would be rounded up and shot if they weren't white.. Yadda yadda yadda while completely ignoring the failings and seriously illegal deeds of the people from the other options!.

Of course you can always come back with more pedantic nonsense like "how would an article keep me happy" "who said he was Satan" but the minute you do I just realised your just an immature fool and will no longer be carrying on debating the original point with you... Which was demonizing farage against the crop of mps we had/have is ridiculous.

So keep up the hypocrisy of cheap shots by ukip while continuing them yourselves. "

gross assumptions and banal conjecture..

followed by petty childish jibes..

and all topped with irony ..

well done ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?

I found them a long time ago, They are very very easy to find and some of them are very worthy of debate.

I have been saying for ages that until people take ukip seriously and debate the policies rather than throwing insults about, ukip will grow relatively easily. It amazes me that some people can't see that.

They don't look because they don't want to see. Don't forget that a lot of anti-Ukip may be Independent readers so some of the bigger words will be beyond them. If anyone finds this a problem, left click and sweep the word, then right-click and search google for the definition. A little education can go a long way, but only if people try.

Cheap insults. How do you think they add to a debate?

With the same gravitas as someone who constantly harangues other posters for policies which are easily available for all to see online. Sauce for the goose and all that."

Oh please! Are you really saying that trying to discuss policy (something Kippers are noticeably reluctant to do) is the same as your lazy insults? My question is totally relevant to the thread. The tone of your contribution soeakst for itself

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"No, tell me more, I want to hear about their policies

And it appears that this question is too much for even the most vocal of kippers...

Their policies are available for all reasonably educated people to read on their website. Instead of badgering people to copy and paste them on here for you to ignore, why not educate yourself a little and go and read them for yourself?"

actually farage says they have no policies other than immigration until the manifesto is announced.. any others including the one they ran for in the euro elections dont count...

so the scary thing is that so many people are prepared to vote for a party based on one known issue only.......

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

not sure what the peado's of the past has to do with the distasteful xenophobes of today really? ..... and simply shouting "look at those peados over there" whilst attempting to usher racist attitudes into mainstream politics when everyone is distracted doesn't change the fact that it's racism ..... it's not a choice of would we rather racists or peados govern us ..... two wrongs don't make a right ... neither of these types of objectionable individuals should be allowed anywhere near the seat of power

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i will be voting ukip and all my family and friends are.it cant get no worst than the politicians we got in now.dont want to say to much because a lot of people will kick in the racism stuff.and who cares if he is a millionaire as long as he can do the job.if you vote for ukip and you dont like what they say or do.dont vote for them again.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

I certainly don't want to see another term of Cameron and I still rememeber the catastrophic period of 10+ years under labour with them trying to ruin the country under that dynamic duo of the chuckle brothers Brown & Blair!,so I wont vote for Labour!.

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By *rivate auditionsMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

oh by the way,since when did Islam become a race?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who is Farage and what's a PM?"
In Farage's case it should mean Post Mortem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"oh by the way,since when did Islam become a race?. "

Who mentioned islam?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

at best will probably be a Cameron/Ukip coalition .. though most likely labour will come up with some new things to try swing the favour to them over ukip by offering similar …

Eitherway we are all fucked regardless .. they are all lying cunts .. Personally i can't wait to eventually move out of this country its ruined and is on a one way course now anyway .

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

what i am about to say may shock a lot of people....

I actually agree with something that the UKIP mp Douglas Carswell said in his mail on sunday piece today....

the party it must show it is inclusive and not blame immigrants for Britain’s woes if it is to become a serious force. he also said that a dislike of foreigners was “not merely offensive but absurd”

the problem is what he preaches at the top... and what his party members keep saying, and what supporters of UKIP truely believe... are in my opinion a different matter......

that is what is going to make or break the party...

there was an interesting poll today.... potential first time voters in england (those aged between 17-22) 26% said labour, 19% conservative, 18% Green, 6% Lib Dem... UKIP on 3%

so they aren't buying.... they see the comments made by for example Kerry Smith and other UKIP "reps" and see a different party....

and the funny thing is... if you can get the younger people to go out and vote.... they would have to listen...

political parties always skew their policies old, because older people are more likely to vote..... The Scottish Green Party benefited for their part in the Independence debate... bring that down kind of debating and enthusiam south... I think they would be an interest 5th force certainly in England... definately in Scotland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Despite the massive amount of mud slinging and mis information that has been directed at UKIP they continue to grow and have success that has not been seen in politics for a very very long time.

If people take the time to find out the truth, read the common sense policies and recognise that a lot of ordinary people are involved , rather than focusing on the Tory defectors and recycling the bullshit that has become accepted, then perhaps politics might "grow up" a bit.

As for Brand, well most of the time he's incoherent and hasn't a bloody clue!

Do you have a link to UKIPs policies?

"

I don't...but in full agreement with the comment on Brand. I may actually support Brands politics...the problem is that like everyone e else....including the campaign for plain English...I can't understand the drug addled nonsense that comes out of his mouth. It may be he stands for good sense...but no-one really knows!

His last appearance on question time was a farce...being repeatedly told to stop interrupting and talking over women panalists etc. before making a grovelling apology and going quiet. his one "sound bite" obviously scripted as he was constantly looking at notes etc to get something in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"what i am about to say may shock a lot of people....

I actually agree with something that the UKIP mp Douglas Carswell said in his mail on sunday piece today....

the party it must show it is inclusive and not blame immigrants for Britain’s woes if it is to become a serious force. he also said that a dislike of foreigners was “not merely offensive but absurd”

the problem is what he preaches at the top... and what his party members keep saying, and what supporters of UKIP truely believe... are in my opinion a different matter......

that is what is going to make or break the party...

there was an interesting poll today.... potential first time voters in england (those aged between 17-22) 26% said labour, 19% conservative, 18% Green, 6% Lib Dem... UKIP on 3%

so they aren't buying.... they see the comments made by for example Kerry Smith and other UKIP "reps" and see a different party....

and the funny thing is... if you can get the younger people to go out and vote.... they would have to listen...

political parties always skew their policies old, because older people are more likely to vote..... The Scottish Green Party benefited for their part in the Independence debate... bring that down kind of debating and enthusiam south... I think they would be an interest 5th force certainly in England... definately in Scotland"
.

That's an interesting point and I would add that I've been to around 20 fracking demos in the last two or three years as a green party member and we have lots of youngsters quite a few oldsters but very little in between.

It seems we start life caring about the environment and finish life that way but give it all up in the middle.

Our biggest problem as a party is nobody is ready for our progressive policies just yet,I mean mention putting up duty on airlines and holidays and we've lost 50% of the vote already but in another ten years I think we will come into our own.

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

I think its quite clear that farage is a rascist, anyone that mentions immigration without agreeing with a wide open door policy is a rascist, anyone that discusses it too loudly gets upgraded to nazi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think its quite clear that farage is a rascist, anyone that mentions immigration without agreeing with a wide open door policy is a rascist, anyone that discusses it too loudly gets upgraded to nazi "

So that probably makes me an Immigrant Racist Nazi?

John

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Farage is the tip of the iceberg.

It is the unseen UKIP supporters that are the real danger.

Their mindsets are focussed, almost fanatical on some issues, especially immigration.

Immigration is a great diversionary tactic to steer us away from the real ills in this country.

EU membership is another.

We should be looking closer to home, at our government, at our institutions, at our business leaders and especially at our media.

Everything else is merely smoke and mirrors.

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