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" My brothers a farmer, does this mean he can no longer take his pigs to the other side of the A63 dual carriageway?" he will have to breed them with the chickens/duck's so that they will be able to fly...like in the film animal farm (not the cartoon one) | |||
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"Provocative drivel. I must admit it did get me worked up. If you like bacon sarnies, eat 'em. If you don't, don't. But them benefit scroungers ..." oh aye....how's a person supposed to survive on £50 a week from the dole? simples buy a tenner's worth of bacon and roll's and spend the rest of the money on cider,tobaco and toilet paper xxx | |||
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"I'm still struggling why the Daily Mail think something that happens 7 years ago is news and worth bringing up now?!?" well you know what they say "all news is old news" | |||
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"Provocative drivel. I must admit it did get me worked up. If you like bacon sarnies, eat 'em. If you don't, don't. But them benefit scroungers ...oh aye....how's a person supposed to survive on £50 a week from the dole? simples buy a tenner's worth of bacon and roll's and spend the rest of the money on cider,tobaco and toilet paper xxx"And afford bacon? Not a chance, I tell you. And if there wasn't all them unworthy Muslim immigrants claiming housing, whatever ....and so I will never eat Starbucks cookies. Or was it some other place? I forget now. But I won't ever forget. We learn from our history. Like when we killed everyone. Phwoar, that was good. Insensitive. But satisfying. Thursday? Cup of tea? Sorry, can't hear you. A joke? No, I don't smoke. Not since the trenches. And don't get me started on public transport and gay people. | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth." So you seem to know a lot. One food outlet says HMC approved and another HFA. What's the difference? Is one stunned ie same as everything else and one not? Which one do most outlets buy from? Obviously a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. But enough to fool people... Hopefully you will also act with your feet when it comes to who you buy petrol from, mobile phones, food, clothes etc. I'm all for the ethical consumer. At every stage of my life in several high profile roles in the public eye, I have only twice come across a Muslim who demanded something as their right. However, ill informed people who feel they represent middle Britain twice a week will come up to me because their not happy because someone is getting a choice because of their religion, race etc. But their issue is never that everyone should get the freedom to choose but rather others should but as long as it agrees with their own views. Otherwise they can all go back to their own country.... Guess what, I hear the ancestral shed in Normandy calling you back to France, or is it the long boat back to Scandinavia? | |||
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"My favourite response to this so far is a complete roaster who went on a rant about "aw thay fekkin aslans tellin us wit tae eat, fekkin fekkin fekkin........"Then announced he would be sticking to chicken cottage from now on !!I took great delight in informing him chicken cottage is and always has been a halal brand. " | |||
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"My favourite response to this so far is a complete roaster who went on a rant about "aw thay fekkin aslans tellin us wit tae eat, fekkin fekkin fekkin........"Then announced he would be sticking to chicken cottage from now on !!I took great delight in informing him chicken cottage is and always has been a halal brand. "Ha ha thats funny. | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth. So you seem to know a lot. One food outlet says HMC approved and another HFA. What's the difference? Is one stunned ie same as everything else and one not? Which one do most outlets buy from? Obviously a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. But enough to fool people... Hopefully you will also act with your feet when it comes to who you buy petrol from, mobile phones, food, clothes etc. I'm all for the ethical consumer. At every stage of my life in several high profile roles in the public eye, I have only twice come across a Muslim who demanded something as their right. However, ill informed people who feel they represent middle Britain twice a week will come up to me because their not happy because someone is getting a choice because of their religion, race etc. But their issue is never that everyone should get the freedom to choose but rather others should but as long as it agrees with their own views. Otherwise they can all go back to their own country.... Guess what, I hear the ancestral shed in Normandy calling you back to France, or is it the long boat back to Scandinavia? " I am as ethical in all my purchases as I can afford to be. There are organisations and companies that I refuse to support by giving my money to. In answer to your question, I avoid all establishments that advertise themselves as halal. As for your statement about only ever coming across 2 occasions when a Muslim demanded something as a right in your high profile public life, all I can say is you must be living in a different country to me. Because although I have never had a high profile public roll I do listen to and remember the news and read about national and international current affairs. And without having to stretch my memory too much there was the case of the radical Muslim cleric in Blackburn demanding the right for a Muslim only football league in that town. And of course in the same town the demand that all school meals be strict halal and then that Lancashire council employ a Muslim to ensure the food was halal and not haaram and finally demanding that Lancashire council destroy it stock of food for schools. Now by my count that is 4 demands made by Muslims demanding the right to force their rules on others. All from 1 town. I am sure that with a little thought I could come up with many many more that would make those I have listed look quite minor. | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth." Since you have that much knowledge enlighten us with the definition of halal meat? and whats the difference between halal and kosher? From reading your post and most hatefull replys in this thread (including the first part) its from people who have no idea or clear knowledge what makes a meat halal. So tell us. | |||
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"Look without making it too much of a rant, it's obvious what you read and where you get this information from. You failed to answer my questions so there's no point having this dispute. Newspaper articles are case reports and do not form a basis of an evidence based approach. Logic and reasoning are based on evidence not antedotal reports. News outlet only tell you what you want to hear. Pick up the daily mail and Muslims are eating kids for lunch, the financial times and the kids are eating bankers for lunch etc. Unfortunately, no matter what evidence I would show you, years of misinformation and prejudices cloud your perception of the truth. The question is your disagreement with halal, like kosher can be a choice which everyone accepts and has no issues with. But it seems deeper than that, and sounds that it's based on religious hatred. The 4 million Muslims in this country consist of 10,000 self made millionaires, contribute to the creation of 80,000 UK jobs and add £31 billion pounds to the economy. One of the reasons the London financial sector survived was the Islamic financial institutions that are based here. But I guess their money is good enough to have but let's make sure they can't choice to eat what they want. " Firstly I do not read the Mail, daily or Sunday. I am not right wing in my politics, I do not care about the colour of a persons skin or their religion until it starts negativity impacting on me. I don't care what Muslims eat provided that they are governed by the same laws as the rest of us! there is a very old truism that says 'if justice does not apply equally to all it is not justice it is tyranny'. As for your comments about sectarian football leagues in Scotland and N.I. I find them equally disgusting and wrong. As I do the Jewish ghetto in N London (even if it is only demarcated by a chain and some signs. However I will point out one big difference between all those above and Muslims in general. You ask a Scottish Catholic or Protestant what they are and they will tell you they are Scots. You ask a Northern Irish Catholic or Protestant what they are and they will say either Irish or British. You ask an English Jew what they are and they will say they are English. You ask a Muslim what they are and they will answer either Muslim or Pakistani or maybe British Asian. There are of course exceptions to the above but like it or not Muslims in general owe their first allegiance to a religion and believe that it is their religious duty to promote their religion and religious laws and take control for Allah. Unfortunately we non Muslims are allowing this to happen. the saddest part of all of this is the radical Islamic leaders have been very up front about what they intended to do a few years ago and then shut up and have got on with doing it slowly. And most people are politically like frogs, if you drop them in political pan of boiling water they jump out, if you put them in a pan of cold water and slowly increase the heat they happily sit there and cook! | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Since you have that much knowledge enlighten us with the definition of halal meat? and whats the difference between halal and kosher? From reading your post and most hatefull replys in this thread (including the first part) its from people who have no idea or clear knowledge what makes a meat halal. So tell us. " Halal meat has to be slaughtered by a Muslim praying over the animal and according to the more radical Muslims the animal must not be stunned or sedated before dispatch. Kosher meat is produced in exactly the same way but with a Jewish cleric officiating. I don't eat kosher meat either but that is not the issue because Jewish people do not try and force others to comply with their religious laws. | |||
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"Juan, is that a bacon tree?.... No, run! It's a ham bush! " It it wrong to laugh at that? | |||
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"If the animal is stunned its not halal. Yes and that has nothing to do with radicalism. Also it doesn't have to prayed upon by an imam to be halal. Any ordinary person can slaughter the animal. Muslims say the short prayer which consist of a couple words (God the greatest) before the slaughter for the sake of doing it the way their messanger did it but it's not a mandatory condition for the meet to be halal. There are only 2 mandatory conditions for meat to be halal. 1- The animal must be slaughtered with a very sharp knife in the throught which is pain free and humain (not the subject of this debate). 2- The person who does it must be a muslim or a jew or a christian. I bet you didn't know that. That makes kosher meat also a halal meat. The reason for slaughtering not gun stunned or other ways is that by cutting the throught you cut the widest vain in the body and all the blood flows out of the body which makes the meat cleaner and healthier. " Firstly the reason that slaughtering can not be done by stunning with electricity and bolt gun is not because bleeding is better, its because 1500 years ago Mohamed didn't know about electricity or bolt guns. Secondly the reason for the kosher and halal laws was because at the time they were produced they were the safest way to produce edible meat in a hot climate. Our knowledge of food hygiene and animal welfare has improved somewhat in 1500 to 2500 years depending on which text your reading, and I for 1 think we should not be bound to 1500 year old ideas because someone says that's the way we have to do it. I find it an anathema that a religion that was based in mathematics and science and the search for knowledge has been so distorted by benighted bigots that want to ignore anything that contradicts their 1500 year old laws. | |||
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"If the animal is stunned its not halal. Yes and that has nothing to do with radicalism. Also it doesn't have to prayed upon by an imam to be halal. Any ordinary person can slaughter the animal. Muslims say the short prayer which consist of a couple words (God the greatest) before the slaughter for the sake of doing it the way their messanger did it but it's not a mandatory condition for the meet to be halal. There are only 2 mandatory conditions for meat to be halal. 1- The animal must be slaughtered with a very sharp knife in the throught which is pain free and humain (not the subject of this debate). 2- The person who does it must be a muslim or a jew or a christian. I bet you didn't know that. That makes kosher meat also a halal meat. The reason for slaughtering not gun stunned or other ways is that by cutting the throught you cut the widest vain in the body and all the blood flows out of the body which makes the meat cleaner and healthier. Firstly the reason that slaughtering can not be done by stunning with electricity and bolt gun is not because bleeding is better, its because 1500 years ago Mohamed didn't know about electricity or bolt guns. Secondly the reason for the kosher and halal laws was because at the time they were produced they were the safest way to produce edible meat in a hot climate. Our knowledge of food hygiene and animal welfare has improved somewhat in 1500 to 2500 years depending on which text your reading, and I for 1 think we should not be bound to 1500 year old ideas because someone says that's the way we have to do it. I find it an anathema that a religion that was based in mathematics and science and the search for knowledge has been so distorted by benighted bigots that want to ignore anything that contradicts their 1500 year old laws. " Yeah that | |||
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"Juan, is that a bacon tree?.... No, run! It's a ham bush! It it wrong to laugh at that? "Err...probably. I did but I wrote it and I'm as daft as you like..... | |||
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"If the animal is stunned its not halal. Yes and that has nothing to do with radicalism. Also it doesn't have to prayed upon by an imam to be halal. Any ordinary person can slaughter the animal. Muslims say the short prayer which consist of a couple words (God the greatest) before the slaughter for the sake of doing it the way their messanger did it but it's not a mandatory condition for the meet to be halal. There are only 2 mandatory conditions for meat to be halal. 1- The animal must be slaughtered with a very sharp knife in the throught which is pain free and humain (not the subject of this debate). 2- The person who does it must be a muslim or a jew or a christian. I bet you didn't know that. That makes kosher meat also a halal meat. The reason for slaughtering not gun stunned or other ways is that by cutting the throught you cut the widest vain in the body and all the blood flows out of the body which makes the meat cleaner and healthier. Firstly the reason that slaughtering can not be done by stunning with electricity and bolt gun is not because bleeding is better, its because 1500 years ago Mohamed didn't know about electricity or bolt guns. Secondly the reason for the kosher and halal laws was because at the time they were produced they were the safest way to produce edible meat in a hot climate. Our knowledge of food hygiene and animal welfare has improved somewhat in 1500 to 2500 years depending on which text your reading, and I for 1 think we should not be bound to 1500 year old ideas because someone says that's the way we have to do it. I find it an anathema that a religion that was based in mathematics and science and the search for knowledge has been so distorted by benighted bigots that want to ignore anything that contradicts their 1500 year old laws. " Mohammad didn't even know how to read or write but he changed the the course of human hystory and (what you belive is his book) is sacred for the the third of planet earth's population. Regardless weather you respect that or not. The new testament is is 2000 years old and the old testament is 3000 years old or so they are sacred for another third of the planet's population. the other third are either budist or hindou + 100's of other very old faiths. We will come to a logic democratic assessment that 99% of people on this planet will stick with their faiths and disagree with you. So tell me how gun stnning and killing by electricity which was discovered 1500 years after the out of fashion way of slaughtering (which is the most commonly used in the uk) is better or more humaine? Enshtein died decades ago does that make his scientific theories out of fashion and less valid? than todays scientific theories? Algebra was invented as a science more than a 1000 years ago. Does that make it unusefull today? The numbers 0 to 9 were invented a thousand year in india before the Roman Numbers did that make the Roman numbers more usefull ? Should we invent different numbres to use because those ones are 1000's year old? | |||
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" The same will apply to any devout or fairly devout members of either of the other 2 Abrahamic proselytising religions." There are 3 Abrahamic religions and only 2 of them proselytise. | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Since you have that much knowledge enlighten us with the definition of halal meat? and whats the difference between halal and kosher? From reading your post and most hatefull replys in this thread (including the first part) its from people who have no idea or clear knowledge what makes a meat halal. So tell us. Halal meat has to be slaughtered by a Muslim praying over the animal and according to the more radical Muslims the animal must not be stunned or sedated before dispatch. Kosher meat is produced in exactly the same way but with a Jewish cleric officiating. I don't eat kosher meat either but that is not the issue because Jewish people do not try and force others to comply with their religious laws." Halal meat is meat killed while invoking Allah's name (in any language), thus kosher meat is also halal. The technology is indeed very similar. | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Since you have that much knowledge enlighten us with the definition of halal meat? and whats the difference between halal and kosher? From reading your post and most hatefull replys in this thread (including the first part) its from people who have no idea or clear knowledge what makes a meat halal. So tell us. Halal meat has to be slaughtered by a Muslim praying over the animal and according to the more radical Muslims the animal must not be stunned or sedated before dispatch. Kosher meat is produced in exactly the same way but with a Jewish cleric officiating. I don't eat kosher meat either but that is not the issue because Jewish people do not try and force others to comply with their religious laws. Halal meat is meat killed while invoking Allah's name (in any language), thus kosher meat is also halal. The technology is indeed very similar." Well apart from the invoking Allah's name part as it's the God in the bible not Qur'an that is invoke in Kosher. | |||
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"Won't be going to Subway ever again. We love bacon, ham, sausages, pork chops, pork crackling etc. Had gammon steaks for tea tonight. They were delicious. Can't wait for Sunday when we have our weekly fry up including lovely crispy bacon & a couple of pork sausages. Pork chops for dinner on Saturday. Mmm... Lovely. We will always refuse to let people or religion dictate what we can & cannot eat. " Who or what religion is trying to dictate to you what u eat or not?! | |||
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"The BNP Party Political Broadcast shown on Tuesday teatime made me sick to my stomach. " Huh....they were discussing subway as well? | |||
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"It seems to me that most people here have little knowledge of how meat has been produced in this country since the BSE crisis, and exactly what is supplied in halal outlets. So I think a little knowledge needs to be shared. Firstly except for 'unclean' animals nearly all meat slaughtered in the UK is technically halal. The reason for this is as follows: Because of the BSE crisis the majority of meat processors lost the right to slaughter animals and all meat has to be slaughtered in a DEFRA approved and licensed abattoir. All slaughters are carried out by a DEFRA licensed slaughterman in front of a DEFRA licensed independent inspector. Most of the slaughtermen and inspectors are Muslims (as are the majority of abattoir workers) and therefore most meat produced in this country is technically halal because it has been killed by a Muslim (and if you had ever been on a slaughter line you would know the slaughtermen and inspectors prey every time they do their grizzly work). However a number of radical Islamists have over the last few years claimed that because animals were stunned before slaughter and there was not an imam present that the meat produced was not halal. Meat sold in outlets where they advertise halal meat is slaughtered under a religious exception to the UK and EU slaughtering regulations that allows the animal to be killed without first being stunned, and with an extra cleric there to pray over the animal. I do not and will buy halal meat for a good reason I am quite well informed at to exactly what it is! Now I am all for live and let live but there are times when lines must be drawn, it seems to me that here in the west we have slipped into a culture of appeasing vocal and violent minorities to keep the peace. Last time we went down that path we ended up with a PM called Chamberlain waving toilet paper and shouting "peace in our time" months prior to the outbreak of the biggest blood-letting of the 20 Th century. Personally I would hope that the 95% British people who are not Muslims vote with their feet and boycott all Subway outlets. However its more lightly for a flying pig to defecate on me next time I walk outside! Just my thoughts for what they are worth. Since you have that much knowledge enlighten us with the definition of halal meat? and whats the difference between halal and kosher? From reading your post and most hatefull replys in this thread (including the first part) its from people who have no idea or clear knowledge what makes a meat halal. So tell us. Halal meat has to be slaughtered by a Muslim praying over the animal and according to the more radical Muslims the animal must not be stunned or sedated before dispatch. Kosher meat is produced in exactly the same way but with a Jewish cleric officiating. I don't eat kosher meat either but that is not the issue because Jewish people do not try and force others to comply with their religious laws. Halal meat is meat killed while invoking Allah's name (in any language), thus kosher meat is also halal. The technology is indeed very similar. Well apart from the invoking Allah's name part as it's the God in the bible not Qur'an that is invoke in Kosher. " You mean God of the old testament not God of the new testament that is invoked in the Kosher. Its not invoking the name of God tgat makes it Halal. Its the faith in God from the person who slaughters and the methode slaughtering. God of the bible is the same God of the bible (well one God of the old testament the creator without the conception of the trilogy). Its just that God is in English and Allah in arabic and Dieu in French ect... the language of the original bible isn't English but arameic and Hebrew where God is called Allaha in Jesus mother tongue. There are millions of christian arabs in the midle east and when they go to the church and prey they dont say God but Allah. Also muslims beleive in both the old testament and the new testament (the original ones) and they consider almost all the saints mentioned in the bible as muslims including Jesus and Moses. | |||
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"Who or what religion is trying to dictate to you what u eat or not?! " (m) Instead of just going by 1 Daily Mail newspaper article, I Googled "why did subway stop selling ham", & I Googled "subway under pressure". There is a lot of news sites giving news on this, & they are basically saying the same thing. From what I have read on 8 different sites, it's what people from a minority religion wanted (minority in the UK). At the moment it's Subway, & at the moment it's 180 - 200 outlets. How long before it goes countrywide? How long before it spreads to other fast food companies. Now the no pig ball has started rolling, when will it stop. How long before Burgerking & McDonalds are asked to stop putting bacon in their burgers? How long before Pizza Hut are asked to stop doing certain toppings? It would have been less controversial if, instead of replacing, they had sold halal meat ASWELL. If they had have done that, no one would be discussing it now as it probably wouldn't have been in the news at all. What will it be like in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years if pandering carries on? With governments & companies pandering to minorities, it starts ill feelings & animosity, which also spreads due to propaganda & distorting truths. Personally, IMO, in today's civilised society, I do not call slitting an animals throat when fully conscious barbaric. Imagine if you had your throat slit from ear to ear, how frightening would it be to see your blood gushing out & then collapse in a heap on the floor as you get all light headed from blood loss & you feel the life draining away from your body. I call that a blood sacrifice. | |||
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"Won't be going to Subway ever again. We love bacon, ham, sausages, pork chops, pork crackling etc. Had gammon steaks for tea tonight. They were delicious. Can't wait for Sunday when we have our weekly fry up including lovely crispy bacon & a couple of pork sausages. Pork chops for dinner on Saturday. Mmm... Lovely. We will always refuse to let people or religion dictate what we can & cannot eat. " What point are you trying to make. No one is telling you what you can or can't eat. A few subway outlets have decided to stop selling pork as there was no demand for it. They were catering for their local customers. | |||
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"Who or what religion is trying to dictate to you what u eat or not?! (m) Instead of just going by 1 Daily Mail newspaper article, I Googled "why did subway stop selling ham", & I Googled "subway under pressure". There is a lot of news sites giving news on this, & they are basically saying the same thing. From what I have read on 8 different sites, it's what people from a minority religion wanted (minority in the UK). At the moment it's Subway, & at the moment it's 180 - 200 outlets. How long before it goes countrywide? How long before it spreads to other fast food companies. Now the no pig ball has started rolling, when will it stop. How long before Burgerking & McDonalds are asked to stop putting bacon in their burgers? How long before Pizza Hut are asked to stop doing certain toppings? It would have been less controversial if, instead of replacing, they had sold halal meat ASWELL. If they had have done that, no one would be discussing it now as it probably wouldn't have been in the news at all. What will it be like in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years if pandering carries on? With governments & companies pandering to minorities, it starts ill feelings & animosity, which also spreads due to propaganda & distorting truths. Personally, IMO, in today's civilised society, I do not call slitting an animals throat when fully conscious barbaric. Imagine if you had your throat slit from ear to ear, how frightening would it be to see your blood gushing out & then collapse in a heap on the floor as you get all light headed from blood loss & you feel the life draining away from your body. I call that a blood sacrifice." You ask how long before it goes countrywide and McDonald's and Burger King follow suit. Well I will bet you any money you like that this will never happen. This is a non story and I find it very amusing how people are getting very angry over a slice of ham not being sold in a shop that they are never likely to visit. | |||
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"Won't be going to Subway ever again. We love bacon, ham, sausages, pork chops, pork crackling etc. Had gammon steaks for tea tonight. They were delicious. Can't wait for Sunday when we have our weekly fry up including lovely crispy bacon & a couple of pork sausages. Pork chops for dinner on Saturday. Mmm... Lovely. We will always refuse to let people or religion dictate what we can & cannot eat. " We get it....you like pork!! | |||
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"Who or what religion is trying to dictate to you what u eat or not?! (m) Instead of just going by 1 Daily Mail newspaper article, I Googled "why did subway stop selling ham", & I Googled "subway under pressure". There is a lot of news sites giving news on this, & they are basically saying the same thing. From what I have read on 8 different sites, it's what people from a minority religion wanted (minority in the UK). At the moment it's Subway, & at the moment it's 180 - 200 outlets. How long before it goes countrywide? How long before it spreads to other fast food companies. Now the no pig ball has started rolling, when will it stop. How long before Burgerking & McDonalds are asked to stop putting bacon in their burgers? How long before Pizza Hut are asked to stop doing certain toppings? It would have been less controversial if, instead of replacing, they had sold halal meat ASWELL. If they had have done that, no one would be discussing it now as it probably wouldn't have been in the news at all. What will it be like in 10 years, 20 years, 30 years if pandering carries on? With governments & companies pandering to minorities, it starts ill feelings & animosity, which also spreads due to propaganda & distorting truths. Personally, IMO, in today's civilised society, I do not call slitting an animals throat when fully conscious barbaric. Imagine if you had your throat slit from ear to ear, how frightening would it be to see your blood gushing out & then collapse in a heap on the floor as you get all light headed from blood loss & you feel the life draining away from your body. I call that a blood sacrifice." "Pandering to minorities " The very fact you feel listening to a minority view is wrong is a sad reflection . I tend to find my life is usually spent in minority view position I'm very glad BBC 2 and radio four don't pander to the majority x it appears I'm in minority position when it comes to food and religion , ever where seems to fill their shitty sandwiches with processed salty meat and mayo . Try finding veggie healthy fast food that does not contain gluten No one has lost the right to eat pork however a proportion of humans can now grab a sandwich when out. I call this freedom and choice and which it on everyone xx | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something." You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. " That's not kittens. You don't play fairly. | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. " Come on then. Oxygenate this non story that promotes bigotry and brings the Daily Mail readers out. I'm all ears | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. Come on then. Oxygenate this non story that promotes bigotry and brings the Daily Mail readers out. I'm all ears "People will reply or not as they see fit, anyone who doesn't like the subject matter will pass it by. It's their choice. We are moderated on this forum enough already, we don't need others to tell us what the topics that can be discussed are. | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. That's not kittens. You don't play fairly. " I'm allergic to cats. | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. Come on then. Oxygenate this non story that promotes bigotry and brings the Daily Mail readers out. I'm all ears
People will reply or not as they see fit, anyone who doesn't like the subject matter will pass it by. It's their choice. We are moderated on this forum enough already, we don't need others to tell us what the topics that can be discussed are. "I said let's not.. It wasn't an order I just don't like threads that drum up a race debate that the Daily Mail wants us to have. Truce x X | |||
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"Let's not give this daily mail bigoted nonsense debate any more oxygen Subway is shit The daily mail is worse - but probably more edible. Let's talk about kittens or something. You seem to like telling is what to talk about. First this and then Max Clifford. At the start of the day can you post what subjects are acceptable to you and then we can pick which ones we can talk about. It'll save a lot of bother in the long run. Come on then. Oxygenate this non story that promotes bigotry and brings the Daily Mail readers out. I'm all ears
People will reply or not as they see fit, anyone who doesn't like the subject matter will pass it by. It's their choice. We are moderated on this forum enough already, we don't need others to tell us what the topics that can be discussed are.
I said let's not..
It wasn't an order
I just don't like threads that drum up a race debate that the Daily Mail wants us to have.
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"Is this debate still going on... Interesting to see how we've moved from a few subways modifying to meet the local consumer demands to why Muslims should not be allowed in Britain. Doesn't take much to rattle the cage of the few who lack the ability to grasp what the world is around them. Essentially, what they are saying is if Muslims want halal they can go back to their own country. So they accept that, in their view this is not their country, then question why they don't have a union jack tattoo - because people like you remind them that they're not welcome. They hate halal food because 'imagine you were the animal' yet most are slaughtered the same way (please don't argue with that statement as you've got your facts all wrong). I guess if they were lower in the food chain, they would be happy if they were going to suffer the fate of non halal. Bottom line then is don't eat animals. And what's they're view on kosher... Love to see them getting worked up on that one. They then move onto the argument of political correctness gone wrong etc. Basically you have freedom of speech as long as you do what I want. At the thought of not getting bacon one day, they rather destroy an entire civilisation. Oh wait, but their destroying ours. It is much easier to condemn Islam and 'oppressive Muslim men' than to unpack the intricate relationships between global politics related to empire building and capitalist expansion as well as regional and national struggles revolving around political and economic power and resources. And when it comes to pork, most other religions including many orthodox Christians etc prohibit it - so go and raise an issue with all of them. Bottom line is these idiots have no real idea of what the world around them is and do everything to confirm their prejudices. I'm sure Google gives you the answer. I just Googled "edl member and beasility" and loads of pages came up. Guess my prejudice was right too. These prejudices blinds their thoughts, gives them false delusions and if anything fails to meet these, their blood boils. Go and learn the facts or else rant on with your racist views while I go and make sure all McDonald's and BKs become halal too (which the majority are since they have a higher number of branches in Muslim countries so there!). Kittens.. Have you seen that one on YouTube? " Now breathe | |||
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"From what I read, it was only being banned in mostly Muslim areas where nobody ate ham, so therefore there was no call for it. Seriously, unless Christians and Catholics are being fired because they argue that they can't work Sundays, we really can't argue. What I want to know is if they're banning salami and all the other meat because it's probably all mixed anyway." I hate to go off topic but I think most catholics would argue that they are christians. | |||
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"Is this debate still going on... Interesting to see how we've moved from a few subways modifying to meet the local consumer demands to why Muslims should not be allowed in Britain. Doesn't take much to rattle the cage of the few who lack the ability to grasp what the world is around them. Essentially, what they are saying is if Muslims want halal they can go back to their own country. So they accept that, in their view this is not their country, then question why they don't have a union jack tattoo - because people like you remind them that they're not welcome. They hate halal food because 'imagine you were the animal' yet most are slaughtered the same way (please don't argue with that statement as you've got your facts all wrong). I guess if they were lower in the food chain, they would be happy if they were going to suffer the fate of non halal. Bottom line then is don't eat animals. And what's they're view on kosher... Love to see them getting worked up on that one. They then move onto the argument of political correctness gone wrong etc. Basically you have freedom of speech as long as you do what I want. At the thought of not getting bacon one day, they rather destroy an entire civilisation. Oh wait, but their destroying ours. It is much easier to condemn Islam and 'oppressive Muslim men' than to unpack the intricate relationships between global politics related to empire building and capitalist expansion as well as regional and national struggles revolving around political and economic power and resources. And when it comes to pork, most other religions including many orthodox Christians etc prohibit it - so go and raise an issue with all of them. Bottom line is these idiots have no real idea of what the world around them is and do everything to confirm their prejudices. I'm sure Google gives you the answer. I just Googled "edl member and beasility" and loads of pages came up. Guess my prejudice was right too. These prejudices blinds their thoughts, gives them false delusions and if anything fails to meet these, their blood boils. Go and learn the facts or else rant on with your racist views while I go and make sure all McDonald's and BKs become halal too (which the majority are since they have a higher number of branches in Muslim countries so there!). Kittens.. Have you seen that one on YouTube? "
You're clearly no doughnut. This is an excellent post and counters much ignorance.
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"Is this debate still going on... Interesting to see how we've moved from a few subways modifying to meet the local consumer demands to why Muslims should not be allowed in Britain. Doesn't take much to rattle the cage of the few who lack the ability to grasp what the world is around them. Essentially, what they are saying is if Muslims want halal they can go back to their own country. So they accept that, in their view this is not their country, then question why they don't have a union jack tattoo - because people like you remind them that they're not welcome. They hate halal food because 'imagine you were the animal' yet most are slaughtered the same way (please don't argue with that statement as you've got your facts all wrong). I guess if they were lower in the food chain, they would be happy if they were going to suffer the fate of non halal. Bottom line then is don't eat animals. And what's they're view on kosher... Love to see them getting worked up on that one. They then move onto the argument of political correctness gone wrong etc. Basically you have freedom of speech as long as you do what I want. At the thought of not getting bacon one day, they rather destroy an entire civilisation. Oh wait, but their destroying ours. It is much easier to condemn Islam and 'oppressive Muslim men' than to unpack the intricate relationships between global politics related to empire building and capitalist expansion as well as regional and national struggles revolving around political and economic power and resources. And when it comes to pork, most other religions including many orthodox Christians etc prohibit it - so go and raise an issue with all of them. Bottom line is these idiots have no real idea of what the world around them is and do everything to confirm their prejudices. I'm sure Google gives you the answer. I just Googled "edl member and beasility" and loads of pages came up. Guess my prejudice was right too. These prejudices blinds their thoughts, gives them false delusions and if anything fails to meet these, their blood boils. Go and learn the facts or else rant on with your racist views while I go and make sure all McDonald's and BKs become halal too (which the majority are since they have a higher number of branches in Muslim countries so there!). Kittens.. Have you seen that one on YouTube?
You're clearly no doughnut. This is an excellent post and counters much ignorance.
The under current is much more indirect and subtle these days but certainly hasn't gone away."Are we banning doughnuts now ? I'm ringing the papers. Swingers say no doughnuts. It's an outrage I tell you. It's my human right to have doughnuts. | |||
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"Is this debate still going on... Interesting to see how we've moved from a few subways modifying to meet the local consumer demands to why Muslims should not be allowed in Britain. Doesn't take much to rattle the cage of the few who lack the ability to grasp what the world is around them. Essentially, what they are saying is if Muslims want halal they can go back to their own country. So they accept that, in their view this is not their country, then question why they don't have a union jack tattoo - because people like you remind them that they're not welcome. They hate halal food because 'imagine you were the animal' yet most are slaughtered the same way (please don't argue with that statement as you've got your facts all wrong). I guess if they were lower in the food chain, they would be happy if they were going to suffer the fate of non halal. Bottom line then is don't eat animals. And what's they're view on kosher... Love to see them getting worked up on that one. They then move onto the argument of political correctness gone wrong etc. Basically you have freedom of speech as long as you do what I want. At the thought of not getting bacon one day, they rather destroy an entire civilisation. Oh wait, but their destroying ours. It is much easier to condemn Islam and 'oppressive Muslim men' than to unpack the intricate relationships between global politics related to empire building and capitalist expansion as well as regional and national struggles revolving around political and economic power and resources. And when it comes to pork, most other religions including many orthodox Christians etc prohibit it - so go and raise an issue with all of them. Bottom line is these idiots have no real idea of what the world around them is and do everything to confirm their prejudices. I'm sure Google gives you the answer. I just Googled "edl member and beasility" and loads of pages came up. Guess my prejudice was right too. These prejudices blinds their thoughts, gives them false delusions and if anything fails to meet these, their blood boils. Go and learn the facts or else rant on with your racist views while I go and make sure all McDonald's and BKs become halal too (which the majority are since they have a higher number of branches in Muslim countries so there!). Kittens.. Have you seen that one on YouTube?
You're clearly no doughnut. This is an excellent post and counters much ignorance.
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"Doughnuts are ok provided they are pork free, but obviously some don't want this so we would have to offer jam Doughnuts with vanilla sugar topped with crispy bacon flakes to keep it fair. But I suppose the next forum would be, why do we have Doughnuts without bacon... These bloody Muslims! " I want bacon doughnuts! | |||
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"Doughnuts are ok provided they are pork free, but obviously some don't want this so we would have to offer jam Doughnuts with vanilla sugar topped with crispy bacon flakes to keep it fair. But I suppose the next forum would be, why do we have Doughnuts without bacon... These bloody Muslims! I want bacon doughnuts! "Is that the same as a pork bun........but with a hole? | |||
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"Doughnuts are ok provided they are pork free, but obviously some don't want this so we would have to offer jam Doughnuts with vanilla sugar topped with crispy bacon flakes to keep it fair. But I suppose the next forum would be, why do we have Doughnuts without bacon... These bloody Muslims! I want bacon doughnuts!
Is that the same as a pork bun........but with a hole?"As a pregnant woman, it doesn't take much to set me off. Unfortunately I was thinking of an ACTUAL krispy kreme doughnut with candied bacon on top. | |||
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"Doughnuts are ok provided they are pork free, but obviously some don't want this so we would have to offer jam Doughnuts with vanilla sugar topped with crispy bacon flakes to keep it fair. But I suppose the next forum would be, why do we have Doughnuts without bacon... These bloody Muslims! I want bacon doughnuts!
Is that the same as a pork bun........but with a hole?
As a pregnant woman, it doesn't take much to set me off. Unfortunately I was thinking of an ACTUAL krispy kreme doughnut with candied bacon on top. "Mmmmm and I like my bacon krispy too | |||
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"Bloody thread! Been on a diet for months and months now and I've crumbled.......keep your sandwich related political and religious ramblings and arguments, I'm going for a bacon butty? Anyone else want one? " Yes please, with sprinkles, chocolate ones. | |||
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"Bloody thread! Been on a diet for months and months now and I've crumbled.......keep your sandwich related political and religious ramblings and arguments, I'm going for a bacon butty? Anyone else want one? Yes please, with sprinkles, chocolate ones.
Grated dairy milk ok? It's all I have to work with right now....."I only eat dark chocolate..........this is getting weird lol. | |||
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"Bloody thread! Been on a diet for months and months now and I've crumbled.......keep your sandwich related political and religious ramblings and arguments, I'm going for a bacon butty? Anyone else want one? Yes please, with sprinkles, chocolate ones.
u want my meaty doughnut? get the choc sauce round the back entrance "Is your cock spherical with a big hole in the middle? I don't mind if it is, I just need to think about how I'm going to take it. My guess is with a nice cuppa. | |||
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"Bloody thread! Been on a diet for months and months now and I've crumbled.......keep your sandwich related political and religious ramblings and arguments, I'm going for a bacon butty? Anyone else want one? Yes please, with sprinkles, chocolate ones.
u want my meaty doughnut? get the choc sauce round the back entrance
Is your cock spherical with a big hole in the middle? I don't mind if it is, I just need to think about how I'm going to take it.
My guess is with a nice cuppa. "weirdo weird cock lover alert! | |||
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"Bloody thread! Been on a diet for months and months now and I've crumbled.......keep your sandwich related political and religious ramblings and arguments, I'm going for a bacon butty? Anyone else want one? Yes please, with sprinkles, chocolate ones.
u want my meaty doughnut? get the choc sauce round the back entrance
Is your cock spherical with a big hole in the middle? I don't mind if it is, I just need to think about how I'm going to take it.
My guess is with a nice cuppa.
weirdo weird cock lover alert! "If your cock is donut shaped....where's the end? If it's unending....the only logical conclusion is that you have the longest cock in all space and time....wow, that's a conundrum that's going to play on my mind for a while.......  | |||
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u want my meaty doughnut? get the choc sauce round the back entrance
Is your cock spherical with a big hole in the middle? I don't mind if it is, I just need to think about how I'm going to take it.
My guess is with a nice cuppa.
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"(m) My comment last week about halal meat spreading, now rings true after reading the newspapers today. People were all too eager to jump on my back just to make themselves look good. It is now sold by Tesco, Morrisons, Nandos, Pizza Express, Ask, Zizzi, Slug & Lettuce, Yates, Beefeater, Brewers Fayre, Greggs, Dominos, KFC & others. All of the above haven't even got the balls to tell their customers their meat is halal either. I said that I'm against the barbaric & inhuman way that the animals were still alive & fully conscious when they had their throats slit & left to bleed out. Well I now know I'm not in the minority about this but I'm actually in the majority about this after a countywide survey. The survey asked if the production of halal was crueller than other methods in which I'm in the 57% that said yes it is. 16% said don't know & only 27% said no. I don't look so stupid now seeing as I agreed with over half the country. People shouldn't be so quick to jump on people's backs." Can I just clarify an inaccuracy in your post. The chickens in the establishments you name all sell halal meat that is stunned and unconscious when slaughtered. It is therefore slaughtered no differently to non halal meat. What is your point exactly and do you care to post accurate information? Perhaps read the food businesses website where they clearly define that the halal meat is stunned.  | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it." Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. | |||
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"(m) My comment last week about halal meat spreading, now rings true after reading the newspapers today. People were all too eager to jump on my back just to make themselves look good. It is now sold by Tesco, Morrisons, Nandos, Pizza Express, Ask, Zizzi, Slug & Lettuce, Yates, Beefeater, Brewers Fayre, Greggs, Dominos, KFC & others. All of the above haven't even got the balls to tell their customers their meat is halal either." 1. I wonder why places like Beefeater and pizza express sell halal chicken et al but don't tell anyone... Including the Muslims or Jews. It's clearly not for marketing reasons.... It's either price or taste, I'm guessing. 2. The other point regards stunning. It's evident that most animals are stunned before slaughter...So therefore, the main difference between stunned halal meat and non halal meat is the ritual 'in the name of God'...and the blood being drained while the animal is unconscious. I'd agree with the labelling of the food to inform choice..particular if it hasn't been stunned, though it seems it generally is. Even the ultra conservative Saudi clerics are happy with stunning, so long as it isn't used as a way to kill the animal...which it isn't. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. " I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! " You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered." "This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered." I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. " And I understand that. I too take that stance, well you're going to take it's life so barring a few items of exceptional cruelty the method is immaterial. For me reading about it took me so far (and there is some interesting research on the pain experienced by Western/non Western slaughter methods) but I wanted to see it too. Bit sick I know but I thought, if it makes me wince I can't do it. As a person who tries their best in an opaque retail market to make a 'least possibly cruel' choice I would say (for me) non-stunned would be too far for my squeamishness. So just give us frank information saying (Halal/stunned) and in my case if I can get it free range and I'll happily consume it because I know what I'm eating is the same meat but with a little blessing. I understand too in the heat of debate about getting wonky-eyed, I do it often, no offence taken. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. " P.S no need for apololgy either. I'm having Linda McCartney sausages for tea, bet you don't want one. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. P.S no need for apololgy either. I'm having Linda McCartney sausages for tea, bet you don't want one. "I had too many for breakfast with scrambled eggs and a hint of HP sauce | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. P.S no need for apololgy either. I'm having Linda McCartney sausages for tea, bet you don't want one.
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"Going to find a dictionary to find out what anthropomorphic means! To be honest I don't really care whether food is kosher, halal or whatever. As long as it clean and edible I can't see what all the fuss is about. Ultimately it is just a dead animal." The humanising of animals where you attribute the characteristics of humans to animals. Guilty as charged. | |||
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"I can't remember if I have this bit right (I've not looked it up) but my best mate told me before I first ate his unbelievably good food and it's a bit hazy as I passed out from over-eating. Halal rules if I recall requires that the animal has had a good meal and drink and is calm and not hurt prior to slaughter? I don't know how practical this is in a mass-production environment but being a bit too anthropomorphic for my own good about animals, I thought that was a nice sentiment and would be nice is this aspect of Halal applied to all livestock. Someone correct me if I'm talking shite. Or rather more shite than normal." This is the theory but rarely happens in mass production. Halal meat also includes rearing the animal in an organic way but rarely happens. I actually buy all my meat from a farm that only supplies organic meat and it takes a good chunk out of our income. I also do the organic veg and egg fads too. I'm much more concerned with the food or grass that an animal consumes or what it is injected with. | |||
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"This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. This thread was about subway and other mainstream restaurants and supermarkets selling 'stunned' halal meat. You have again moved this to independent halal butchers. Yes these places do sell non stunned meet and have been doing so for nearly half a century. Why has this suddenly become a problem now? Whilst you mention Coventry Road in Birmingham, insinuating a Muslim area, there is again an omission of the Jewish faith and Kosher practice. I have no doubt in my mind that at best this is ignorance and at worse, clear racism. Pick on Muslims but omit Jews despite halal meat being sold for decades. Are you or others this precious about the barbaric French when it comes to Foie Gras or Christian traditions of spring lamb (separating child from mother) or the poor suffocating cod in a bag of fish and chips. All slaughter is not nice - it involves killing. Some people have argued scientifically that non stunned is the lesser evil as long as the knife is sharp as it instantly numbs pain and you don't have to give the animal an electronic shock first, which is hardly a goodbye hug or kiss! Getting tired of too much misinformed crap in the media and on here and bullshit lies. Racism - there said it. Please don't call me racist I'm not racist (Muslims aren't a race by the way) and that's very cheap and insulting . I asked for clear labelling of foods to force retailers to declare this information to prevent non-stunned meat ending up on peoples plates because at some point I can see that being another 'horse meat scandal' I refer to the Coventry Road because it's the area I live and work in, nothing to do with it being a Muslim area. There is a very small Jewish community in the area, hence there are not 20 butchers in a row. I did actually mention Kosher in my other post but you omitted to mention that. Halal meat is more prevalent in society because there are more muslims to cater for, simples. For reference I don't eat cruetly foods such as goose pate and I choose not to eat baby animals, not because they're cute but because they've not even had a short existence. I eat free range Beef and Pork only and very occassionally as it's expensive. Had you bothered to look at my post about Subway I clearly stated they were making a business decision because they saw a good market in the Muslim community. I'm calling it as I see it. Free range beef and pork does not guarantee a beautiful death. Nobody normally gives a damn about animal slaughter until the tabloids decide to push this topic. I hope you and other members of public make the same fuss with fish and foie gras and the average supermarket chicken killer by a factory machine and injected with antibiotics and kept in cages. I can answer the above for you - the answer is very few but everybody has a problem with halal! You see it wrong, I am not racist and it's a cheap and unpleasant thing to say. I choose foods on a 'best as I can' basis and hope I've made an ethical choice as possible (for me) and I know no death is beautiful. Hence part of making my choice has been to watch the unpleasantness of all of the various types of slaughter to see how I felt about all methods of killing. I decided that (for me) the non-stunned method was too brutal. There is a risk that as Halal becomes widely used generally (I have no problem consuming it and I do) that attitudes become more lax about the source. Mass production tends to make that happen. SO why not ask that those selling are open about what they're selling? Is that really an unreasonable thing to ask? I don't read mass media at all so no whipping myself up in to a frenzy I can assure you but I do read extensively from a variety of sources to form opinion. And it's definitely not a racist opinion. If you cannot see the difference between hate and what I wrote, you must be rather blinkered. I should come down a notch or two. My anger was partly with this thread and hearing this topic on the radio all day. I take back my racism comment and offer my apologies. That came from the fact that I felt you were trying to move debate from halal stunned chicken to independent butchers. I then confused your post with another poster. Your concerns appear genuine about food being labelled but I have always agreed with this aspect that it should too. My anger is the constant halal opinions being offered by people but are misinformed about the mainstream restaurants selling stunned halal meat but also why it is now an issue after decades of halal butchers, kebab shops and curry houses. P.S no need for apololgy either. I'm having Linda McCartney sausages for tea, bet you don't want one.
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"Going to find a dictionary to find out what anthropomorphic means! To be honest I don't really care whether food is kosher, halal or whatever. As long as it clean and edible I can't see what all the fuss is about. Ultimately it is just a dead animal. The humanising of animals where you attribute the characteristics of humans to animals. Guilty as charged." . .so do Muslims have the same rules for their women and Thats why they treat them so bad and reconcile themselves? | |||
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"I can't remember if I have this bit right (I've not looked it up) but my best mate told me before I first ate his unbelievably good food and it's a bit hazy as I passed out from over-eating. Halal rules if I recall requires that the animal has had a good meal and drink and is calm and not hurt prior to slaughter? I don't know how practical this is in a mass-production environment but being a bit too anthropomorphic for my own good about animals, I thought that was a nice sentiment and would be nice is this aspect of Halal applied to all livestock. Someone correct me if I'm talking shite. Or rather more shite than normal." From the little I know, an animal about to be slaughtered should not see signs of any other animal being slaughtered....and should be as calm as possible. Not sure about having just been fed though. Also, I recall a cleric saying that the principle of slaughtering halal is to minimise pain and stress... The only stipulation regarding stunning that appears to be commonsensical is that if the animal dies from being stunned (rarity, I assume), it's not halal. Otherwise stunning is acceptable. | |||
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"I can't remember if I have this bit right (I've not looked it up) but my best mate told me before I first ate his unbelievably good food and it's a bit hazy as I passed out from over-eating. Halal rules if I recall requires that the animal has had a good meal and drink and is calm and not hurt prior to slaughter? I don't know how practical this is in a mass-production environment but being a bit too anthropomorphic for my own good about animals, I thought that was a nice sentiment and would be nice is this aspect of Halal applied to all livestock. Someone correct me if I'm talking shite. Or rather more shite than normal. From the little I know, an animal about to be slaughtered should not see signs of any other animal being slaughtered....and should be as calm as possible. Not sure about having just been fed though. Also, I recall a cleric saying that the principle of slaughtering halal is to minimise pain and stress... The only stipulation regarding stunning that appears to be commonsensical is that if the animal dies from being stunned (rarity, I assume), it's not halal. Otherwise stunning is acceptable. " I remember seeing the dispensing of piglets for a speciality in one region in Spain. (I don't sit all day watching this stuff honest) I think it was on Kill it, Cook it, Eat it. They simply slit the throat and tossed them all still alive into one big bin with the others stood there. It seemed to me unnecessarily cruel but I suppose the argument would be that we Brits are too sentimental about animals. | |||
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" I remember seeing the dispensing of piglets for a speciality in one region in Spain. (I don't sit all day watching this stuff honest) I think it was on Kill it, Cook it, Eat it. They simply slit the throat and tossed them all still alive into one big bin with the others stood there. It seemed to me unnecessarily cruel but I suppose the argument would be that we Brits are too sentimental about animals. " You might not want to watch Joaquin Pheonix's documentary, Earthlings..... Available on YouTube I believe.. | |||
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