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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There are quite frequent posts about speeding.

We all see the National Speed Limits Apply sign. (Yes, its that white one with a diagonal black line. It really does not mean Speed Unlimited).

What the *** use is that? Can't the lazy sods just put up a more informative sign saying what the speed limit actually is? Do other countries have an equivalent? Is it just there so that sign-makers can make a profit?

* Brought to you courtesy of the Victor Meldrew And Common Sense Department

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a sign of the times

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By *opinovMan
over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

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That shut me up then. Killjoy. I was enjoying my rant. I am now going to post a topic about benefit scroungers and immigrants and the Falklands. But in my defence, that bleeding sign is just saying "Guess."

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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago

a straightjacket

Hey nowt wrong with the Falklands, I spent 4 booze filled months there, so leave the Bennys and their sheep alone

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hey nowt wrong with the Falklands, I spent 4 booze filled months there, so leave the Bennys and their sheep alone "

I can't leave the Bennies alone. I happen to be quite intimate with one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

That shut me up then. Killjoy. I was enjoying my rant. I am now going to post a topic about benefit scroungers and immigrants and the Falklands. But in my defence, that bleeding sign is just saying "Guess.""

It's not, it's telling you the national speed limit for that type of road applies. These are all detailed in the high way code and don't change, e.g 60 on a single carriageway and 70 on a dual if in a normal car. It really isn't a guess!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Isn't it always 60.

I don't drive so could be bollocks as usual but I thought the white sign with the black diagonal line meant 60 if it's a single lane road.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't it always 60.

I don't drive so could be bollocks as usual but I thought the white sign with the black diagonal line meant 60."

No it means national speed limit applies. That can be different depending on vehicle and road type.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

60 if a single lane

70 if a dual lane with a central reservation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Isn't it always 60.

I don't drive so could be bollocks as usual but I thought the white sign with the black diagonal line meant 60.

No it means national speed limit applies. That can be different depending on vehicle and road type."

Good job I don't drive I assumed it was 60 unless motorway when you know it's 70. And was only thinking of cars.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

That shut me up then. Killjoy. I was enjoying my rant. I am now going to post a topic about benefit scroungers and immigrants and the Falklands. But in my defence, that bleeding sign is just saying "Guess."

It's not, it's telling you the national speed limit for that type of road applies. These are all detailed in the high way code and don't change, e.g 60 on a single carriageway and 70 on a dual if in a normal car. It really isn't a guess!"

Really? It is only 70 on a dual carriageway if it has a central reservation, otherwise it is 60, unless ... See. That is the point. Useless. Except for the point made previously which is that it depends on the type of road user. Which, damn, makes it even more Victor Damn Meldrew useless.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

I don't understand the confusion here. I am no brain surgeon but it is not hard to grasp. On a single carriageway the speed limit for a PLG vehicle is 60. On a dual carriageway with a central reservation it is 70. If you cannot remember this then the nuances of clutch control and whatever is probably beyond you and you should not be driving.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

That shut me up then. Killjoy. I was enjoying my rant. I am now going to post a topic about benefit scroungers and immigrants and the Falklands. But in my defence, that bleeding sign is just saying "Guess."

It's not, it's telling you the national speed limit for that type of road applies. These are all detailed in the high way code and don't change, e.g 60 on a single carriageway and 70 on a dual if in a normal car. It really isn't a guess!

Really? It is only 70 on a dual carriageway if it has a central reservation, otherwise it is 60, unless ... See. That is the point. Useless. Except for the point made previously which is that it depends on the type of road user. Which, damn, makes it even more Victor Damn Meldrew useless."

I think I might have to join in the rant then, stupid, stupid, stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got pulled doing 38 in what I thought was a 40 area ... to be told with street furniture it was 30, I did point out that two yards up the road it changed to 50 and thinking it was 40 I was below the limit ... they let me off and said next time stick to 30

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So what is the damn point of the sign?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I got pulled doing 38 in what I thought was a 40 area ... to be told with street furniture it was 30, I did point out that two yards up the road it changed to 50 and thinking it was 40 I was below the limit ... they let me off and said next time stick to 30 "

oh bollox I posted this on the wrong thread ... it should be on the speeding one ... ooooooooops

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Different kind of non-motorway carriage ways have different speed limits for different vehicles or road train configurations (cars with and without certain trailers, lorries, etc.). The National Speed Limit sign is the simplest way of conveying that they apply with relevance to whichever vehicle is being driven.

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But if there is a sign saying 60, it means that the maximum speed permitted for vehicles allowed to do that speed is 60. It does not mean that a horse-and-trap or a lorry towing a tank, helicopter and industrial crane is allowed to do 60. So what is the damned point of the sign, eh? Just tell us the damned limit or don't bother with a damned pointless sign. I think I need to get a life. But then I wonder whether there are sufficient signs in life.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Because it is relevant to 99% of the traffic on the road. Anyone using an exempt vehicle will be trained to know the speed limits which apply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"60 if a single lane

70 if a dual lane with a central reservation"

not in a built up area

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sign is from the time when there wasn't any limits other than those areas with street light which was thirty, the white is to represent the lights and the black line is to signify the end of the restricted area.

It isn't just represent 60 (normal roads) 70 (dual carriage way) but actual means 'end of restrictions'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It means different speeds dependent on vehicle being driven as others have said. The speed limit also varies dependent of the type of road ie dual carriageway or single carriageway. Cars 60mph and lorries 40mph on single, cars 70mph and lorries 50mph on dual carriageways otherwise there would be loads of confusing signs for different vehicles and there are enough as it is!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Because it is relevant to 99% of the traffic on the road. Anyone using an exempt vehicle will be trained to know the speed limits which apply. "

So put up a maximum speed sign not a bleeding "You Guess" sign.

Or let's do away with all speed limit signs. Oh, it is a built up area with a speed limit of 30, but we will just put up a damned white sign with a bleeding black diagonal across it to avoid doubt.

* Courtesy of V Meldrew Head Against Wall Ltd

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By *annGentMan
over a year ago

With a cracking view

It means 'unrestricted' here on this rock !

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

And to add to the complication, local councils can add restrictions ... So just damned well damned say what the maximum speed limit is. Simples. Time to lie down.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the states doesn't have a national speed limit sign. they post the maximum speed, and if trucks, etc need to go slower they post that. they also post a minimum safe speed on interstates. at least they did in the state i lived in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"the states doesn't have a national speed limit sign. they post the maximum speed, and if trucks, etc need to go slower they post that. they also post a minimum safe speed on interstates. at least they did in the state i lived in. "

Well thank the Glorious Tortoise In The Sky for that! It is common sense. At least some nation's planners have an IQ greater than a dead kipper's pussy.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

It is not a "you guess" sign. It has been explained clearly what it means many times in this thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It is not a "you guess" sign. It has been explained clearly what it means many times in this thread."

Then explain what it means.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

It has indeed been explained comprehensively and accurately above.

It's usage actually means we have fewer signs, and is less confusing.

The onus is on the driver to read the highway code and know the maximum speed for their vehicle depending on the type of road.

What many people don't appreciate, is that Vehicles with a gross axle weight of 2 tonnes or more (which includes the bigger white vans, lutons and pickups) cannot use the outside lane of a 3 lane motorway, unless fitted with a speed limiter. You try telling that to white van man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It has indeed been explained comprehensively and accurately above.

It's usage actually means we have fewer signs, and is less confusing.

The onus is on the driver to read the highway code and know the maximum speed for their vehicle depending on the type of road.

What many people don't appreciate, is that Vehicles with a gross axle weight of 2 tonnes or more (which includes the bigger white vans, lutons and pickups) cannot use the outside lane of a 3 lane motorway, unless fitted with a speed limiter. You try telling that to white van man

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The speed limit sign originated many years ago, when they put a 30 mph limit in towns etc.

It signified the end of the 30 limit and the road was derestricted, so you could go as fast as you like.

When too many people died, they changed the speed limit to 70 everytwhere it was not a 30.

In the 70'sthe speed limit on single carriageways was changed to 60

The all the speed limits came in for the different class of vehicles,

The derestricted sign is as old as the 30 sign, it's cheaper to keep the signs than have a totem pole showings peed limits for all the vehicles

On some country roads you can still see the upside down triangle meaning given way with nothing written on it and the hexagon meaning stop .

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well thank you all so darned kindly for the history lessons. But the damned sign still means b*gger all. Put a proper one up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well thank you all so darned kindly for the history lessons. But the damned sign still means b*gger all. Put a proper one up. "

Just the one? There would be 2 lol

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By *he Master JMan
over a year ago

Southall


"the states doesn't have a national speed limit sign. they post the maximum speed, and if trucks, etc need to go slower they post that. they also post a minimum safe speed on interstates. at least they did in the state i lived in.

Well thank the Glorious Tortoise In The Sky for that! It is common sense. At least some nation's planners have an IQ greater than a dead kipper's pussy."

As an Irishman I think the signs should tell you how many beers that you can have between the junctions to stay under the limit

Running for cover as a professional driver I hate drink drivers

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen


"Well thank you all so darned kindly for the history lessons. But the damned sign still means b*gger all. Put a proper one up.

Just the one? There would be 2 lol"

More than that it would need around 6 different signs, and on some roads there would be a totem pole with several signs on.

So, far better to have just one sign, covering a variety of restrictions, depending on road type and vehicle type/configuration.

Provided of course, people who drive, take the time to learn the appropriate restrictions for their vehicle....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Well thank you all so darned kindly for the history lessons. But the damned sign still means b*gger all. Put a proper one up.

Just the one? There would be 2 lol"

Why?

And why those bleeding motorway signs saying, "No signs." That is a travesty. Waiting to happen. And do not get me started on the price of a sandwich. During the war, we could have bought a whole pigeon for that. Cup of tea?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well thank you all so darned kindly for the history lessons. But the damned sign still means b*gger all. Put a proper one up.

Just the one? There would be 2 lol

More than that it would need around 6 different signs, and on some roads there would be a totem pole with several signs on.

So, far better to have just one sign, covering a variety of restrictions, depending on road type and vehicle type/configuration.

Provided of course, people who drive, take the time to learn the appropriate restrictions for their vehicle...."

40 and 60 single carriageway, 50 and 70 dual carriageway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh and then 60 and 70 for a motorway, then they'd have to change again if it went back to a dual carriageway and again once more back to a single carriageway, so much easier to just have one, oh, hang on.............

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By *uschmanMan
over a year ago

Sheffield

You have private cars, HGVs and buses all having different speed limits and there are probably more vehicle types than that.

That pole would be covered in speed signs.

I only ever drive a car, so I need to know the 60 and 70 speeds. If I drove a bus, it would be my responsiblity to have worked it out. As someone else said, its all in the highway code.

(sorry, if that has come over all serious )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does it matter what sign it has, seems most people pay no bloody attention anyway and stick to 37mph regardless of the limits on the individual roads...or maybe that's just the idiots I seem to get stuck behind (whilst having an arsehole behind me who wants to do 50!)

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By *my-blackTV/TS
over a year ago

Poole

I dont think the signage is the issue here. i think the op just felt the need for a friday evening rant.

Go on op. get it off your chest yeah not enough signs/too many signs/wrong sort of signs (delete as appropriate).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I dont think the signage is the issue here. i think the op just felt the need for a friday evening rant.

Go on op. get it off your chest yeah not enough signs/too many signs/wrong sort of signs (delete as appropriate).

"

Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs,

Screwing up the scenery and fecking my mind

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

National speed limits

Type of vehicle Built-up areas mph (km/h) Single carriageways mph (km/h) Dual carriageways mph (km/h) Motorways mph (km/h)

Cars and vehicles (including dual-purpose vehicles and car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)

Cars towing caravans or trailers (including car-derived vans and motorcycles) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)

Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)

Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

Buses, coaches and minibuses (not more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

60 (96) if articulated or towing a trailer

Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 40 (64) 50 (80) 60 (96)

Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:

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By *my-blackTV/TS
over a year ago

Poole


"National speed limits

Type of vehicle Built-up areas mph (km/h) Single carriageways mph (km/h) Dual carriageways mph (km/h) Motorways mph (km/h)

Cars and vehicles (including dual-purpose vehicles and car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)

Cars towing caravans or trailers (including car-derived vans and motorcycles) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 60 (96)

Motorhomes or motor caravans (not more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 60 (96) 70 (112) 70 (112)

Motorhomes or motor caravans (more than 3.05 tonnes maximum unladen weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

Buses, coaches and minibuses (not more than 12 metres overall length) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

Goods vehicles (not more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 50 (80) 60 (96) 70 (112)

60 (96) if articulated or towing a trailer

Goods vehicles (more than 7.5 tonnes maximum laden weight) 30 (48) 40 (64) 50 (80) 60 (96)

Motorhomes or motor caravans are classed as goods vehicles if they:"

I promise to try to remember that lot

Hang on, but I ride a motorbike, where is that in the list, oh no

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

As long as you remember that ignorance of the law or of the highway code is not a defence, it puts the onus onto the driver to be properly trained and to keep themselves aware of the law and highway code. All of which do change, so dont assume that you dont need to look at stuff again, once youve passed your test. I like the national speed limits.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

it is a serious post and whilst people copy and paste entire websites with tedious and irrelevent information we read on ..boom boom !!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

Crumpet Castle

The first bloke to be fined for speeding was doing 8mph ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don get court it don't matter...

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"There are quite frequent posts about speeding.

We all see the National Speed Limits Apply sign. (Yes, its that white one with a diagonal black line. It really does not mean Speed Unlimited).

because for different vehicles the National Speed limit is not the same...

What the *** use is that? Can't the lazy sods just put up a more informative sign saying what the speed limit actually is? Do other countries have an equivalent? Is it just there so that sign-makers can make a profit?

* Brought to you courtesy of the Victor Meldrew And Common Sense Department"

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland


"There are quite frequent posts about speeding.

We all see the National Speed Limits Apply sign. (Yes, its that white one with a diagonal black line. It really does not mean Speed Unlimited).

because for different vehicles the National Speed limit is not the same...

What the *** use is that? Can't the lazy sods just put up a more informative sign saying what the speed limit actually is? Do other countries have an equivalent? Is it just there so that sign-makers can make a profit?

* Brought to you courtesy of the Victor Meldrew And Common Sense Department"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's also not just in built up areas where the limit lowers. Street lighting is also a factor.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

It means the national speed limit for that type of road, for the vehicle you are driving, applies.

Those speed limits are detailed in the Highway Code and drivers should know them.

It doesn't mean guess, at all. I don't have to think any harder about what a NSA sign means than for a 30, 40 or 50 mph sign.

I'm not seeing the problem.

In fact, I'd suggest anyone who does consider it a problem probably needs to retake their driving test, or not drive!

It's not astrophysics.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"* Brought to you courtesy of the Victor Meldrew And Common Sense Department"

I don't believe it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It means the national speed limit for that type of road, for the vehicle you are driving, applies.

Those speed limits are detailed in the Highway Code and drivers should know them.

It doesn't mean guess, at all. I don't have to think any harder about what a NSA sign means than for a 30, 40 or 50 mph sign.

I'm not seeing the problem.

In fact, I'd suggest anyone who does consider it a problem probably needs to retake their driving test, or not drive!

It's not astrophysics. "

agreed, a simple sign with meaning to your vehicle type whatever your driving, no more difficult to know what it means than any other symbol sign.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

In France, if you are driving through the countryside and you see a village/town name on a rectangular sign the speed limit is automatically reduced to 50kph. You cannot go faster until you get through the village and see the same sign again with a diagonal line through it. Often there are local traffic cops lying in wait with hand held radar guns ready to trap the unsuspecting traveller. So, unless you are French or have done your homework you would not have a clue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are going to go driving in a foreign country it would probably be sensible to do your homework lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone needs to do their theory test again. You need to brush up on The Highway Code.

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By *et a roomCouple
over a year ago

Leeds


"I don't understand the confusion here. I am no brain surgeon but it is not hard to grasp. On a single carriageway the speed limit for a PLG vehicle is 60. On a dual carriageway with a central reservation it is 70. If you cannot remember this then the nuances of clutch control and whatever is probably beyond you and you should not be driving. "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"If you are going to go driving in a foreign country it would probably be sensible to do your homework lol "

I always do. I even have my European car kit including hi vis vests and sealed first aid kit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there was talk about raising the motorway speed limit to 80. a while ago. but how many of you stick to 70 and feel your going so slow as other cars fly past you.i think in some cases speed limits cause bunching and cause accidents.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"there was talk about raising the motorway speed limit to 80. a while ago. but how many of you stick to 70 and feel your going so slow as other cars fly past you.i think in some cases speed limits cause bunching and cause accidents."

Fine; but in many cases they save lives.

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