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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

guy try's chatting up a girl.

girls says: sorry I don't like short guys

guy: aw well that's fine, and moves on.

girls try's chatting up a guy.

guy says: sorry I don't like woman who are over weight.

girl and her friends call the guy shallow and a jerk and every name under the sun.

if your short there is nothing you can do about it, you cant grow anymore.

if your over weight you can do something about that.

Logic !

I only seen this on facebook the other day and thought it was interesting so don't shoot me lol

I think if your happy with the way you look how cares what other think,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Eep!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not only on facebook

it happens on here all the time.

and it doesnt have to involve overweight or height, but many things

live with it

the power is, and always will be, with women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are quit a few of these floating around the internet.

There are clear double standards that are just generally ignored. They are slightly amusing but as long as people respect each others opinions, they don't actually matter.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

im not giving out , just seen it on facebook and was a laugh

it cud be the other way about the guy cud be over weight and the woman short , I think its just the fact that if you are unhappy about anything that you have the power to change , that you should go for it ,

be it your weight, your job, if you wanna punch ur boss in the face ,

if you have the power to do something you wanna change , then do it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"There are quit a few of these floating around the internet.

There are clear double standards that are just generally ignored. They are slightly amusing but as long as people respect each others opinions, they don't actually matter. "

ya some people on here are looking for male models with 6 packs that are not the best looking and having the best bodies , but I am sure that they are guys other there too that are not much to look at and are asking for female models

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By *romageFraiseWoman
over a year ago

London

Moral of the story - women don't take rejection well so be gentle with us

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"the power is, and always will be, with women."

Hmm. Maybe in swinging circles it might be true, but not in the wider world. Women still face criticism for the kinds of relationship they have in a way that men don't.

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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago

a straightjacket


"Moral of the story - women don't take rejection well so be gentle with us "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"the power is, and always will be, with women.

Hmm. Maybe in swinging circles it might be true, but not in the wider world. Women still face criticism for the kinds of relationship they have in a way that men don't."

well, thats one aspect of the wider world.

however, some look down on men that have many partners too, you know, equality and all that lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm short AND fat

C'est la vie !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Moral of the story - women don't take rejection well "

neither do a lot of men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just wear platforms and a pantygirdle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

plenty get funny hearing they are not ur type. let alone the reasons why

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What radical thinking.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people"

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed "

Is it chocolate cake and can I come?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed

Is it chocolate cake and can I come?"

there is cake of all varieties also sticky buns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed

Is it chocolate cake and can I come?

there is cake of all varieties also sticky buns "

im on my way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its not only on facebook

it happens on here all the time.

and it doesnt have to involve overweight or height, but many things

live with it

the power is, and always will be, with women."

there speaks a man whose dinner as been.in the dog a few times.

You speak well wise man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed

Is it chocolate cake and can I come?

there is cake of all varieties also sticky buns "

may i indulge in a slice of cake i can supply a mean lemon drizzle cake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time. "

Preach it brother! Amen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its not only on facebook

it happens on here all the time.

and it doesnt have to involve overweight or height, but many things

live with it

the power is, and always will be, with women."

That's the thing about power. It resides with someone because you give it to them.

I don't prescribe to a system of authority based on arbitrary chromosomal possession.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time.

Preach it brother! Amen."

its slightly ironic that its single guys moaning about the differing responses between male and female threads, when, in general, its the single men leading the charge in the womens threads, wereas they will jump on a 'fellow' guy to make sure they jump ahead in this mystic queue for womens attentions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its not only on facebook

it happens on here all the time.

and it doesnt have to involve overweight or height, but many things

live with it

the power is, and always will be, with women.

there speaks a man whose dinner as been.in the dog a few times.

You speak well wise man."

lol, actually never (havent got a dog)

but im not an idiot either lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

its slightly ironic that its single guys moaning about the differing responses between male and female threads, when, in general, its the single men leading the charge in the womens threads, wereas they will jump on a 'fellow' guy to make sure they jump ahead in this mystic queue for womens attentions."

I got to the front of that queue once. I'd been waiting that long I forget what I wanted and came away with a tub of olives and some cheese

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I'm tall and fat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not having preferences that offends.

It's how those preferences are voiced and communicated.

Tall, short, fat, thin. We all have preferences

Unfortunately, some of those who have preferences also possess the IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time.

Preach it brother! Amen."

Bloody women! Why are they here again??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

its slightly ironic that its single guys moaning about the differing responses between male and female threads, when, in general, its the single men leading the charge in the womens threads, wereas they will jump on a 'fellow' guy to make sure they jump ahead in this mystic queue for womens attentions.

I got to the front of that queue once. I'd been waiting that long I forget what I wanted and came away with a tub of olives and some cheese"

hope popeye didnt get his knickers in a twist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm tall and fat "

No yow aye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not having preferences that offends.

It's how those preferences are voiced and communicated.

Tall, short, fat, thin. We all have preferences

Unfortunately, some of those who have preferences also possess the IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab.

"

Quality!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time.

Preach it brother! Amen.

its slightly ironic that its single guys moaning about the differing responses between male and female threads, when, in general, its the single men leading the charge in the womens threads, wereas they will jump on a 'fellow' guy to make sure they jump ahead in this mystic queue for womens attentions."

This is exactly why I rarely post in these threads...someone will find something to chew/blow a hole through...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"It's not having preferences that offends.

It's how those preferences are voiced and communicated.

Tall, short, fat, thin. We all have preferences

Unfortunately, some of those who have preferences also possess the IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab.

"

Classic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people

there was a thread earlier about being doomed..I have a bunker and cake for the doomed

Is it chocolate cake and can I come?

there is cake of all varieties also sticky buns

may i indulge in a slice of cake i can supply a mean lemon drizzle cake "

all cake welcome in sticky bun bunker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm tall and fat "

Provocatively plump if I remember

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is more prevalent on here than anywhere point blank.

Look at a thread a girl starts, then look at a thread a guy starts be it rant/moan/bitching/blah blah whatever..the response will be totally different.

Every. Single. Time.

Preach it brother! Amen.

its slightly ironic that its single guys moaning about the differing responses between male and female threads, when, in general, its the single men leading the charge in the womens threads, wereas they will jump on a 'fellow' guy to make sure they jump ahead in this mystic queue for womens attentions.

This is exactly why I rarely post in these threads...someone will find something to chew/blow a hole through... "

sorry bud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit."

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman."

or man

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman."

I doubt that, I see many, many womens profiles on here stating they don't want guys under 6ft, and in a program I once watched about the science of attraction, from a selection of ten guys none of the panel of women selected the one who was short, no matter how much positive information they were given about him.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

She was being polite and meant to say I don't like creepy men with bad breath trying to hit on me while I'm out with my friends

He will come back sniffing round the fatty with his 2am beer goggles and a hard on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

I doubt that, I see many, many womens profiles on here stating they don't want guys under 6ft, and in a program I once watched about the science of attraction, from a selection of ten guys none of the panel of women selected the one who was short, no matter how much positive information they were given about him."

I wonder why? I hear Napoleon was a bone apart.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man"

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women."

Are they? I see a lot more women profiles on here being openly insulting in their views toward overweight males - how many guys do you reckon could get away with 'no fatties' on their profiles?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

I doubt that, I see many, many womens profiles on here stating they don't want guys under 6ft, and in a program I once watched about the science of attraction, from a selection of ten guys none of the panel of women selected the one who was short, no matter how much positive information they were given about him."

Maybe depends how short they are, lots of short men get married dont they.

i met a short man on here, he was very nice looking. he was 5ft5.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"She was being polite and meant to say I don't like creepy men with bad breath trying to hit on me while I'm out with my friends

He will come back sniffing round the fatty with his 2am beer goggles and a hard on "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women."

no they arent.,

more bbw lovers around than sfc lovers (thats sad fat cunts)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

Are they? I see a lot more women profiles on here being openly insulting in their views toward overweight males - how many guys do you reckon could get away with 'no fatties' on their profiles?"

Well most men on dating sites say they want slim women, meaning no fatties.

same thing only being more polite.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

Are they? I see a lot more women profiles on here being openly insulting in their views toward overweight males - how many guys do you reckon could get away with 'no fatties' on their profiles?

Well most men on dating sites say they want slim women, meaning no fatties."

That's not being critical, that's having a preference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I heard a joke once:

I recently made contact with my high school sweetheart on friends reunited. It had been 30 years since we last spoke. We emailed each other and feelings started to develop between us again.

The more we emailed, the more we wanted to give in to our passion. After a few weeks, we started to chat about meeting up.

I was worried, and decided to voice my concerns with her. I told her that I was not the man she remembered. I now had a sizeable beer belly, I had lost most of my hair and was very unfit.

She responded saying that that didn't matter, as she had put on a couple of pounds herself.

So I told her to fuck off!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

no they arent.,

more bbw lovers around than sfc lovers (thats sad fat cunts)"
I think on a site like this a lot of people are reluctant to say what they truly dislike for fear of being hung drawn and quartered, I have on my profile I am not looking for overweight people, thats my choice, but some people enjoy the larger frame, I don't.If someone wishes to take offence, who cares, I am not likely to change my mind because they have had a tantrum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

no they arent.,

more bbw lovers around than sfc lovers (thats sad fat cunts)I think on a site like this a lot of people are reluctant to say what they truly dislike for fear of being hung drawn and quartered, I have on my profile I am not looking for overweight people, thats my choice, but some people enjoy the larger frame, I don't.If someone wishes to take offence, who cares, I am not likely to change my mind because they have had a tantrum. "

you will change your tune when us fatties start throwing our half eaten chicken wings at you lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That's life. Can't call a girl "overweight" but can call a guy short.

Total bullshit.

Thats because being short isnt seen as a bad thing as much as being an overweight woman.

or man

Or man, but people are usualy more critical of overweight women.

no they arent.,

more bbw lovers around than sfc lovers (thats sad fat cunts)"

More bbw lovers on here you mean maybe, but i see lots of profiles on here with slightly overweight, chubby men and women on here who seem to be doing alright, its more likely that very slim people want to meet other slim people most of the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

maybe its the old thing about 'fat birds are more desperate so they put more into it when they get a bit', but i honestly have found, in all my life of being a larger than average bloke, big women will always get more attention than big blokes, no matter the situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thing is some women may have a thyroid problem or the like.

But some are just lazy/greedy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

maybe its the old thing about 'fat birds are more desperate so they put more into it when they get a bit', but i honestly have found, in all my life of being a larger than average bloke, big women will always get more attention than big blokes, no matter the situation."

Got to admit in my younger, straighter days I got attention from a handful of women.

As I got older and realised I liked a bit of the cock, the attention bestowed on me at times was overwhelming.

Guys seem, in general, more tuned into and accepting of the fuller figure, be it in male or female form.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thing is some women may have a thyroid problem or the like.

But some are just lazy/greedy."

we arent discussing the whys and wherefors of why people are overwieght (and weight isnt a female problem, so no point in specifying women helth problems)

more that physical differences are more acceptable for women than it is for men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men."

Probably because guys tend to pursue sex more actively than women, and supposing a woman had a choice of two guys who were equally polite, intelligent and charming, only one was overweight and the other athletic and muscular, how many ladies would honestly choose the former?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

Probably because guys tend to pursue sex more actively than women, and supposing a woman had a choice of two guys who were equally polite, intelligent and charming, only one was overweight and the other athletic and muscular, how many ladies would honestly choose the former?"

id chose the chunky guy,, but thats because i find larger men attractive

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

Probably because guys tend to pursue sex more actively than women, and supposing a woman had a choice of two guys who were equally polite, intelligent and charming, only one was overweight and the other athletic and muscular, how many ladies would honestly choose the former?"

Maybe the ones that don't get turned on by muscles and like a larger built guy?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

maybe its the old thing about 'fat birds are more desperate so they put more into it when they get a bit', but i honestly have found, in all my life of being a larger than average bloke, big women will always get more attention than big blokes, no matter the situation."

could it be down to women being more shapely when carrying weight, larger boobs, bum, hips..

men id say carry on their tum

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

Probably because guys tend to pursue sex more actively than women, and supposing a woman had a choice of two guys who were equally polite, intelligent and charming, only one was overweight and the other athletic and muscular, how many ladies would honestly choose the former?

Maybe the ones that don't get turned on by muscles and like a larger built guy? "

Though they'd probably be in the minority, as implied in the question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

see, you both say that, and its possibly commendable, but brain is right.

in a nightclub/pub/whatever pickup situation you decide on (even swinging clubs)

given the choice of a guy thats gym fit/slim (and tbh they dont even have to be that nice a person as its just a shag ateotd) and a guy thats chunky (fat, lets call a spade a spade here) 9/10 times, the formed would be out by the bins getting his rocks off before the fat bloke has got her a drink from the bar lol

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By *roquoisMan
over a year ago

Portsmouth


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the power is, and always will be, with women."

I don't agree with this comment at all. I have standards and morals and if a lady doesn't meet them then I wont lower them, for her, or for anyone else just for sex. This also goes for a lady who thinks she is higher and mightier than me, just because she has a vagina. People are all equal and no one is going to attempt to make me feel inferior, regardless of their sex or their physical attributes.

(I hope I have word this in a way that hasn't sounded offensive....I merely mean that a woman only holds the power if you let yourself be in the position of allowing that...I am not in anyway stating I, or any other guy holds the power either....just that it should not be about power or who holds it as we are all equal and have the same say).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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men id say carry on their tum"

If only that were true in my case. It's everywhere!.... and buying trousers is a nightmare due to my thighs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mother Nature has a weird way of dictating what we think.

I think women are genetically programmed to be attracted to men who look like they are capable of defending the female and providing protection

And men are genetically programmed to be attracted to women who look like they are better able to bear children

I'm willing to be shot down in flames over this one but we've been on the planet more than a couple of years and it's only fairly recently that we haven't had to constantly worry about being killed, eaten by animals, not able to continue the species.

That's my theory anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Moral of the Story is dont read Fuckedbook you will get a headache

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By *romageFraiseWoman
over a year ago

London


" the IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab.

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my mission this week is to use this line

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never cared about how I or how other people look.

And in all honesty, don't care how I act or they act.

You are who you are. Medical reasons excluded from this.

In terms of mutual attraction or chemistry (especially when at a nightclub), if it's there, it's there. If it's not, then move on. There's nothing you can do about that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mother Nature has a weird way of dictating what we think.

I think women are genetically programmed to be attracted to men who look like they are capable of defending the female and providing protection

And men are genetically programmed to be attracted to women who look like they are better able to bear children

"

That's generally what many scientists believe yes, but don't think that being a man is all about brawn and physicality, remember that once your strength and ruggedness has won a woman over, you then need to be a good dad, hence why intelligence and gentleness are also valued in men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about us that are short and overweight?

Are we doomed, having to live out our pitiful existance with only other short fat people"

Oh no x I'm doing it wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Thing is some women may have a thyroid problem or the like.

But some are just lazy/greedy."

N some men too

Shame that my mother in law just decided I was the latter x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i would suggest in life in generaly overweight women are found to be more sexually attractive than overweight men.

Probably because guys tend to pursue sex more actively than women, and supposing a woman had a choice of two guys who were equally polite, intelligent and charming, only one was overweight and the other athletic and muscular, how many ladies would honestly choose the former?"

It's not as simple as that. If I had the choice between 2 men who had similar personalities then it would come down to which face I found more attractive and how their weight was distributed overall. Chubby guy who is evenly thick all over will win out over a guy who's so muscular he looks like his skin is about to split. Don't get me wrong I like guys with good bodies but there are extremes on both end that are not attractive. I feel the same way about women's bodies.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

So many things about this thread make my head hurt I don't know where to start.

Mainly though I don't understand the point of the OP. Some people handle rejection ok and some don't. Some people are better at saying no thank you than others. There is no cause for making those observations some kind of men vs. women thing.

Not all men take rejection well. Not all women take rejection badly.

And why does whether it's something that could be changed matter?

Why should anyone be expected to change just because they were upset by the way in which they were turned down by a stranger?

Besides, who would be so crass as to say "I don't fancy short/fat men/women" when a simple "I'm flattered but sorry, I'm not interested" will suffice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's not having preferences that offends.

It's how those preferences are voiced and communicated.

Tall, short, fat, thin. We all have preferences

Unfortunately, some of those who have preferences also possess the IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The IQ of a cheese plant and the communication skills of a paving slab"

Fantastic deepest blue....spat my cornflakes out over that comment...!

I have to use that line!

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