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"total disgrace giving scum money ,,bet he wont share a penny with milly family ,,,inmates do a better job next time ,,doesn't deserve oxygen ,, " millys family will have already got a payout from the criminal compensation board | |||
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"I dont know if this is a premise. But for lifers with no hope or little inclination to get back on the straight and narrow. I am pretty sure one or three of them have just heard cash bells ringing. Prison fight club and get PAAAIIIIID. Just fucking wrong. Unbelievable that the amount of money has been paid out" While the moral of it is wrong...the law of it is right...like anywhere such as schools,hospitals prisons etc that particular service to protect and safeguard those in their care...we are not in the back in the day mentality any more where prisoners ran the prisons....there are many more of these kind of stories they just don't make the headlines...we are governed by law and not by morals etc | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency." The problem with that attitude, is eventually you will lose *your* human rights. Remember a crime is only what the law says it is. | |||
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"if inmates want to dole out their own justice, and not cost the tax payer, then they should do the job properly and not leave a breath in his body." this... I think any child killer should fall into this category!!! | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency." no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality" Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we " no, we wouldn't, because we don't have capital punishment in this country, and if we did, it would still be decided by the courts and not by a group of bloodthirsty morally outraged Daily Mail readers, thank God | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we " Only paediatricians. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we no, we wouldn't, because we don't have capital punishment in this country, and if we did, it would still be decided by the courts and not by a group of bloodthirsty morally outraged Daily Mail readers, thank God" Ahh right i apologize, i didnt realise that you knew the people involved personally. Well heres a heads up for all morally outraged. The blood thirsty murderer is banged up with other blood thirsty murderers..Shit happens and as the saying goes if you cant do the time then dont do the crime | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous?" I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl. | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl." | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous?" | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl." Well said Think on this when you spout your human rights !!! | |||
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"We can use different scenarios of what Ifs...etc however the money was paid out as whoever investigated found that there was a case to answer to...It's life while it's wrong morally we can't live life on the moral high ground. What he did was horrible and inexcusable but people can't go around with a mob mentality.. " people can and do, its a Cat A prison, the inmates live by a different set of rules | |||
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"We can use different scenarios of what Ifs...etc however the money was paid out as whoever investigated found that there was a case to answer to...It's life while it's wrong morally we can't live life on the moral high ground. What he did was horrible and inexcusable but people can't go around with a mob mentality.. people can and do, its a Cat A prison, the inmates live by a different set of rules" Some do some don't | |||
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"Infringement of human rights....prison staff have a duty of care to protect prisoners no matter what they are in there for....BTW I do not like what he did I think he is vile but trying to see it from all angles. " | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl." Very emotive comment and I agree that in those circumstances I would want the person to go to hell and back. But society has rules in place to protect my daughter from people like him and to protect the perpetrator from the loved ones of the victim. Once we start to break those rules society will cease to exist and anarchy will rule. Then none of our daughters will be safe. | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl. Well said Think on this when you spout your human rights !!!" You obviously didn't bother to read my post or could understand what I wrote. Not once did I mention human rights. | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl." I'll be honest that was a bit too detailed for me. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency." Awesome so I can stab people in the face when they don't say thank you for holding the door open? | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we " Lynch mobs arnt that well known for their judicial accuracy. So what happens when one of your sickos turns out innocent? | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Lynch mobs arnt that well known for their judicial accuracy. So what happens when one of your sickos turns out innocent? " I agree. the judicial system is there to protect us all from lynch mobs who routinely get things wrong (e.g. that poor paediatrician who was mistaken by a righteous crew for a peadophile). | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Lynch mobs arnt that well known for their judicial accuracy. So what happens when one of your sickos turns out innocent? I agree. the judicial system is there to protect us all from lynch mobs who routinely get things wrong (e.g. that poor paediatrician who was mistaken by a righteous crew for a peadophile). " That gives a good insight into the IQ of people who form lynch mobs. Mistaking a paediatrician for a paedophile. Frightening | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl. Very emotive comment and I agree that in those circumstances I would want the person to go to hell and back. But society has rules in place to protect my daughter from people like him and to protect the perpetrator from the loved ones of the victim. Once we start to break those rules society will cease to exist and anarchy will rule. Then none of our daughters will be safe." Anarchy isn't a lack of rules and the breakdown of society. Could be said to be the complete opposite as it's a society facilitated by the interaction and cooperation of individuals and groups but without government intervention. Impossible but desirable. Agree with your sentiment tho. | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl. Well said Think on this when you spout your human rights !!! You obviously didn't bother to read my post or could understand what I wrote. Not once did I mention human rights. " My comment was aimed at the do gooders , not you . It was my way of using your well written post to think how they would feel if it happened to one of their own . | |||
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"Food for thought..............your son or daughter gets locked up for something they didn't do (this does happen) Whilst in prison the authorities fail to protect them and they get raped in the shower. Fair or outrageous? I can see both sides of the argument. However, here's an alternative food for thought. Imagine a man, a large man, having brutally raped a little girl, with his hands round her throat, squeezing the life out of her, laughing as he's doing so. Imagine the pain and terror that little girl goes through in that time, crying out for her Daddy to come and save her, her eyes bulging as she struggles for breath, what fight she had slowly dieing as she slowly dies. Imagine that man throwing that little girl in a ditch somewhere where she will never be found. Now imagine that little girl is your little girl. Very emotive comment and I agree that in those circumstances I would want the person to go to hell and back. But society has rules in place to protect my daughter from people like him and to protect the perpetrator from the loved ones of the victim. Once we start to break those rules society will cease to exist and anarchy will rule. Then none of our daughters will be safe." Think you'll find that your daughter wasn't protected, as in ' now imagine that little girl is your daughter'... i.e. she's dead. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Only paediatricians. " That was proved to be a made up story by the tabloids I'm afraid. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Only paediatricians. That was proved to be a made up story by the tabloids I'm afraid." Was it? There's an awful lot on google about Dr Cloete even snopes has a bit saying its right | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. The problem with that attitude, is eventually you will lose *your* human rights. Remember a crime is only what the law says it is." Committing a crime does not, in my opinion, constitute behaving without human decency. It depends on the crime. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. Awesome so I can stab people in the face when they don't say thank you for holding the door open?" Probably taking things a bit far but there are times I'd like to... | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality" No, it's don't pander to child killing arseholes mentality. I'm not suggesting I go and wring the bastards neck myself, just that he not be allowed to bleat about his right to be protected when he killed a defenceless child. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Only paediatricians. That was proved to be a made up story by the tabloids I'm afraid. Was it? There's an awful lot on google about Dr Cloete even snopes has a bit saying its right " The person involved eventually (many years later) gave an inter_iew to a documentary saying what actually happened, it bore no resemblance to the printed story. The trainee paediatrician had the word paedo sprayed on her house(horrible of course). That was it, she reported it to the police, the police suspected a young lad had done it 12-14 yo. She later moved out of the area. It was a single incident. The media reported mobs, attacks, and a hounding. It never happened but of course in the furore it became legendary. The press couldn't even agree where it happened. Some said Portsmouth, some London and of course South Wales. It seems in retrospect it was a media exercise in making the working classes look like scum, they do that a lot. | |||
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"if inmates want to dole out their own justice, and not cost the tax payer, then they should do the job properly and not leave a breath in his body." That is so so true. | |||
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"Infringement of human rights....prison staff have a duty of care to protect prisoners no matter what they are in there for....BTW I do not like what he did I think he is vile but trying to see it from all angles. " I kind of agree with this comment. I also think he is a vile excuse of a man, and he certainly deserves to stay locked up for the rest of his life. I am sure I may feel differently, had Milly been my daughter, or close family, but that doesn't make it ok. | |||
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"total disgrace giving scum money ,,bet he wont share a penny with milly family ,,,inmates do a better job next time ,,doesn't deserve oxygen ,, " I am sure Milly's family would rather stick pins in their eyes, than accept a gift from this monster. | |||
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"People give up their right to "human rights" when they fail to behave with human decency. no, they don't. that's lynch mob mentality Yes and we wouldnt want the Sickos to be lynched would we Only paediatricians. That was proved to be a made up story by the tabloids I'm afraid. Was it? There's an awful lot on google about Dr Cloete even snopes has a bit saying its right The person involved eventually (many years later) gave an inter_iew to a documentary saying what actually happened, it bore no resemblance to the printed story. The trainee paediatrician had the word paedo sprayed on her house(horrible of course). That was it, she reported it to the police, the police suspected a young lad had done it 12-14 yo. She later moved out of the area. It was a single incident. The media reported mobs, attacks, and a hounding. It never happened but of course in the furore it became legendary. The press couldn't even agree where it happened. Some said Portsmouth, some London and of course South Wales. It seems in retrospect it was a media exercise in making the working classes look like scum, they do that a lot." I see, I didn't know that and I agree the media do do that a lot. | |||
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"Disgusting! I thought once inside inmates didn't have the same rights as us law abiding citizens?? Apparently, not... P" When in prison there are certain rights they don't have....however even in prison you have to follow the law of the land and beating someone up is against the law.... | |||
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"Disgusting! I thought once inside inmates didn't have the same rights as us law abiding citizens?? Apparently, not... P" Why on earth would you think that? The flip side to this case is that it's likely that the perpetrators got prosecuted for the offence and had time added to their sentences which I'm sure you'd all say is right. | |||
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"bellfield will be looking over his shoulder in wakefield prison for the rest of his life." Yeah because he'll stay there for the rest of his sentence lol | |||
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"If I had been on the committee, I would have agreed the compensation but would have insisted that he immediately pay it to the families of those he has murdered." this. | |||
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"should have gave the money to the guy that attacked him" What, the other prisoner? How is that any different to giving it to bellfield | |||
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"should have gave the money to the guy that attacked him What, the other prisoner? How is that any different to giving it to bellfield " Because the other guy wasn't a child killing nonse, I think anyone who gives vigilante justice to nonses and rapist should be rewarded | |||
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"should have gave the money to the guy that attacked him What, the other prisoner? How is that any different to giving it to bellfield Because the other guy wasn't a child killing nonse, I think anyone who gives vigilante justice to nonses and rapist should be rewarded" Really? You know that for a fact do you. No other prisoner in a category a prison has done anything along the same lines as bellfield? Absolutely ridiculous argument! | |||
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"best answer is to open all the cells. .send the warders home and let the killers sort their patch out themselves... " Yep, great idea, and once they've finished guess what happens next.............. | |||
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"Infringement of human rights....prison staff have a duty of care to protect prisoners no matter what they are in there for....BTW I do not like what he did I think he is vile but trying to see it from all angles. " | |||
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"The only way to protect the weirdos is isolation, a kiddy fiddler is just as likely to cut a child killer as a bank robber is so solitary is the only alternative.. Oh wait thats against their human rights So just gas the fuckers simples innit No Dust No Fuss" I like your logic, politiclly correct it aint, but I like it | |||
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"should have gave the money to the guy that attacked him What, the other prisoner? How is that any different to giving it to bellfield Because the other guy wasn't a child killing nonse, I think anyone who gives vigilante justice to nonses and rapist should be rewarded" How do you know who assaulted him? | |||
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"Another example of how the press don't report the full story. The compensation was paid as the assault took place before his conviction. He was on remand at the time, and it was decided that there was a duty of care to protect him. If this guy had been proven innocent, and the attack had happened would you all be so outraged, at the compensation given? " Tsk! Those pesky facts always getting in the way of outrage. | |||
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"Lets hope he doesn't waste it and buys a nice rope and hangs him fucking self with it " He's giving it to his parents so they can buy a caravan, it says so in the OP. | |||
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"If he was an OAP and going in care it would be used to fund his care, so it should be used to fund his care in prison, I think its disgusting that the taxpayer has funded his claim, he deserves all the pain he gets !!! " No it wouldn't. There is never a caveat on what you spend your compensation on. If an oap chooses to spend their compo on care that's up to them. I don't agree with what he did to get into prison but I do believe that while he is in there the prison service a duty of care over him and every other prisoner. It has been found that they failed in that care and so compensation was owed. | |||
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