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"Capital punishment? Do you mean corporal punishment? Smacking them is one thing but sending them to the gallows or the electric chair is a bit harsh! " I was thinking that But I believe most people are now much to soft on their kids and it's all gone wayto PC. | |||
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"Oh yes. You're the guy that said family's that earn less than £45,000 per year shouldn't have kids. The green arrow is your friend people. OP. You seem to like contoversy. popcorn.gif. " Why is that controversy ? It's a discussion | |||
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"Oh yes. You're the guy that said family's that earn less than £45,000 per year shouldn't have kids. The green arrow is your friend people. OP. You seem to like contoversy. popcorn.gif. Why is that controversy ? It's a discussion " I just remember how the last thread went... | |||
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"Oh yes. You're the guy that said family's that earn less than £45,000 per year shouldn't have kids. The green arrow is your friend people. OP. You seem to like contoversy. popcorn.gif. Why is that controversy ? It's a discussion I just remember how the last thread went... " And this will probably go the same, but a good debate is fun | |||
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"Oh yes. You're the guy that said family's that earn less than £45,000 per year shouldn't have kids. OP. You seem to like contoversy. popcorn.gif. " A. I didn't say that. Please read the thread again. B. what has that got to do with, literally, anything???? | |||
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" And this will probably go the same, but a good debate is fun " If you mean me getting gang humped and then banned because I don't agree with more popular posters with mods on their friends list, then yes it probably will go that way And as per usual, I won't care in the slightest. I'll be back once I've done my time lol | |||
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"Bloody hell man. You were a wicked evil child! " Lol but I'm reformed now! | |||
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"Bloody hell man. You were a wicked evil child! Lol but I'm reformed now! " do you think the being physically punished made a difference or did you just grow up? | |||
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"Bloody hell man. You were a wicked evil child! Lol but I'm reformed now! do you think the being physically punished made a difference or did you just grow up? " Well one thing is for sure, it was done in context and that respect for my elders stays with. I think kids who didn't have that fear or respect for their parents have missed out on a valuable shaping process whilst growing up. And before the holier than thou posters rock up and ban me (as per) I'm NOT condoning abuse. I've nothing but sympathy for those who e endured such a terrible betrayal of trust. | |||
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"Bloody hell man. You were a wicked evil child! Lol but I'm reformed now! do you think the being physically punished made a difference or did you just grow up? Well one thing is for sure, it was done in context and that respect for my elders stays with. I think kids who didn't have that fear or respect for their parents have missed out on a valuable shaping process whilst growing up. And before the holier than thou posters rock up and ban me (as per) I'm NOT condoning abuse. I've nothing but sympathy for those who e endured such a terrible betrayal of trust." I think the issue I have is do children respect parents who punish physically or fear them. Do you behave because your parents are respected or because you are scared of the consequences. Being good at not getting caught helped my ex escape a few hidings | |||
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"Bloody hell man. You were a wicked evil child! Lol but I'm reformed now! do you think the being physically punished made a difference or did you just grow up? Well one thing is for sure, it was done in context and that respect for my elders stays with. I think kids who didn't have that fear or respect for their parents have missed out on a valuable shaping process whilst growing up. And before the holier than thou posters rock up and ban me (as per) I'm NOT condoning abuse. I've nothing but sympathy for those who e endured such a terrible betrayal of trust." That could be that you are a decent person but just got into some scrapes as a youngster. Perhaps bad judgement/ boisterousness. There are many kids that were little sods and had parents that 'smacked', and yet they still grew up into shitty adults. I do think it's a respect thing. It doesn't have to be from a smack. I think some parents are just too soft all round. They don't follow through on any kind of punishment and the kid just has free reign. Giving kids responsibility and respect seems to work more than a clip round the ear. Parents that don't respect other people, breed kids that don't respect other people. | |||
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"When I was in short trousers I'd regularly get a smacked arse a slapped face or a clap with the dreaded wooden spoon. But both my parents love me to bits and I was a total shit (one example, cracking my father in the testicles with a putter, whilst playing crazy golf because I believed he had been cheating) and deserved every bit of it that I can remember. My mum once broke her thick 80s style plastic bracelet smacking my arse for shoving a wooden stake into a school mates bicycle spokes and causing his face to break his fall onto the pavement. He lost his front teeth top and bottom, I think I got off lightly. My point is, nowadays if I'd received that kind of deserved capital punishment, I'd have a child councillor, my parents would have criminal records and EU ministers would use me as a poster boy for child abuse. Thoughts fabsters?" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. | |||
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"Abuse is a strong word and I don't think that the occasional smack on the hand to stop a child putting its hand in a plug socket is that. I don't advocate physical punishment and my opinion is that you will believe it is the correct thing to do if you are told while being physically punished that it is (generic you not aimed at anyone). We've all heard the phrase "this is for your own good" and lots of people have stated that they deserved it to my ears that's shocking that someone can believe that as a small child what they did was so awful that they deserved to have pain inflicted on them by an adult. " Physical punishment is not necessary and has been shown not to deter bad behaviour. Violence begets violence. The OP was physically punished as a child but as a child it didn't stop him misbehaving. As another poster pointed out maybe he just grew up. When I was at school the same kids regularly were the ones waiting outside the heads office for the cane. Fear of punishment should not be confused with respect. | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. " I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" With respect this is bollocks. | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" I didn't say I didn't punish him, but I can do it without snacking him. Funnily enough he rarely misbehaves and I don't even need to shout at him, nor does his dad when he's with him and we both have been commented on how well behaved he his. | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours With respect this is bollocks." Haha...I agree!!! Compete bollocks x | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I the found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" oo Jester with respect to you I think you overstepped the mark there. You make assumptions about this lady based on one post and advice on raising children based on that isn't a good idea. You don't in my opinion make boys "minus boys" by not hitting them...that is actually preposterous! I like your threads they are thought provoking and interesting but I have to disagree strongly with this post. | |||
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"Oh yes. You're the guy that said family's that earn less than £45,000 per year shouldn't have kids. The green arrow is your friend people. OP. You seem to like contoversy. popcorn.gif. Why is that controversy ? It's a discussion I just remember how the last thread went... " That was the last thread. A general reminder.....Can we keep away from dragging up other threads that are not relevant as it always spoils the next one. Ta | |||
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"If I did miss behave I either got a good slap on my legs or attacked by mothers slipper. Dad never took his hand to me.. Only once , he launched a wooden table mat at me, I ducked and it hit my spine. I threw myself on the floor and faked being in terrible pain. He got such a bollocking off my mum " Hee hee. My mum threw a pack of butter across the table at me once for cheeking her when I was about ten. It hit me square in the forehead, I dropped to the floor feigning unconsciousness and my dad went nuts at her! | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" There are other ways to discipline a child without raising your hand to them | |||
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" And this will probably go the same, but a good debate is fun If you mean me getting gang humped and then banned because I don't agree with more popular posters with mods on their friends list, then yes it probably will go that way And as per usual, I won't care in the slightest. I'll be back once I've done my time lol " We are mods, we don't have friends, why do you think my middle name is Billy? If you keep going over the same old ground about your ban you will end up banned again, so why not just drop it. | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" That is nonsense. you changed your behaviour for the wrong reasons - for the fear of punishment NOT because of the effect on others because of your actions. by not hitting your child does not turn them into mummy boys. It does teach them to communicate and be man enough to be honest and own up to any wrong doing. I have never hit any of my sons and believe me, they are tough strong boys. | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I the found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours oo Jester with respect to you I think you overstepped the mark there. You make assumptions about this lady based on one post and advice on raising children based on that isn't a good idea. You don't in my opinion make boys "minus boys" by not hitting them...that is actually preposterous! I like your threads they are thought provoking and interesting but I have to disagree strongly with this post." Thank you. I like to think so. You'd be disappointed if I didn't push the debating boundaries. Maybe I have gone to far. But er, it's my opinion that counts to me | |||
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"Compassion and empathy are two of the biggest development areas for the immature brain. Without them kids won't understand for themselves why certain behaviors are wrong. Genuine respect is not grounded in fear. Until they develop those attributes for themselves then 'respect' is based on fear of punishment. I do believe that fear of punishment is an important tool in developing maturity but I don't believe the actual punishment ever needs to be violence. The use of violence shows a lack of imagination, a lack of patience and most importantly a lack of mature respect. " | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I the found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours oo Jester with respect to you I think you overstepped the mark there. You make assumptions about this lady based on one post and advice on raising children based on that isn't a good idea. You don't in my opinion make boys "minus boys" by not hitting them...that is actually preposterous! I like your threads they are thought provoking and interesting but I have to disagree strongly with this post. Thank you. I like to think so. You'd be disappointed if I didn't push the debating boundaries. Maybe I have gone to far. But er, it's my opinion that counts to me " I would be disappointed if you didn't push the debating boundaries but you don't do that by taking an idividual as an example and putting forward opinions about their actions that are based on very flimsy evidence...im my opinion of course . Your opinion is certainly valid and should of course count to you but I'm sure you aren't stating it just to get everyone to agree with it | |||
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"I remember my dad smacking me so hard he broke the skin on my leg. I remember wetting myself with terror on another occasion when he hit me. I remember the teacher in primary school making naughty kids stand on a chair at front of class with their pants down. And as for the drama teacher!!! " | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! ." So did you only get the one hiding/ smack? | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! With today's society there is no real deterrent and it seems kids know they can get away with anything ." By simpler do you mean it's much easier for all parties to deliver a clip round the ear? Job done and get on with life. It takes a bit more effort to talk about rights and wrongs and come up with a suitable non physical punishment. | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! . So did you only get the one hiding/ smack?" Heck no , but for the same offence yes . Various misdemeanours came with various punishments . I see where you are coming from though .... I don't know whether it worked or not as a deterrent any more or less than other measures | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! With today's society there is no real deterrent and it seems kids know they can get away with anything . By simpler do you mean it's much easier for all parties to deliver a clip round the ear? Job done and get on with life. It takes a bit more effort to talk about rights and wrongs and come up with a suitable non physical punishment. " Yeah that would be a fair analogy | |||
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" It takes a bit more effort to talk about rights and wrongs and come up with a suitable non physical punishment. " | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! With today's society there is no real deterrent and it seems kids know they can get away with anything . By simpler do you mean it's much easier for all parties to deliver a clip round the ear? Job done and get on with life. It takes a bit more effort to talk about rights and wrongs and come up with a suitable non physical punishment. Yeah that would be a fair analogy " Easy way out is often not the best. | |||
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"Never did me any harm , whether from parents or school . Short , sharp punishment , there and then , made life so much simpler . And there was no chance I would make the same mistake again after a good hiding ! With today's society there is no real deterrent and it seems kids know they can get away with anything . By simpler do you mean it's much easier for all parties to deliver a clip round the ear? Job done and get on with life. It takes a bit more effort to talk about rights and wrongs and come up with a suitable non physical punishment. Yeah that would be a fair analogy Easy way out is often not the best. " I agree , I just don't feel I was abused . It was as common then as the naughty step is today . | |||
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" If you regularly got whacked for misbehaving it clearly didn't do much to put you off doing wrong again. I will never raise a hand to my son, I don't think it teaches kids anything apart from that it's ok to hit/smack etc. I disagree. I did eventually become less naughty and I was terrified of the consequences, but I just played to the crowd alot. I then found rugby and that was a good outlet for aggression. Not punishing your son will likely end up with him thinking he can do and behave however he wants. Or worse, become a dreaded 'mummy's boy' Respectfully, your not necessarily doing him any favours" hello my sexy friend what you doing here ????? Ohhh if you like I can smack ur bottom when we meet in June xxxx | |||
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