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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I managed to catch Jeremy Vine interviewing a solidier who was unlucky enough to have his legs, testicles and penis blown off in afghanistan.

This solidier is now campaigning for the M.O.D to freeze the sperm of solidiers prior to going into active service.

He and wife wanted children however that option is no longer open to them.

I think they should what are your thoughts.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I managed to catch Jeremy Vine interviewing a solidier who was unlucky enough to have his legs, testicles and penis blown off in afghanistan.

This solidier is now campaigning for the M.O.D to freeze the sperm of solidiers prior to going into active service.

He and wife wanted children however that option is no longer open to them.

I think they should what are your thoughts.

Great idea but never happen as MOD are to tight, wasn't even issuing proper body armour at the start

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Trouble is that this could cause untold lawsuits like the one recently where the woman's husband was killed and she had to fight to be able to continue to store and eventually use his sperm.

I don't know what the answer is, I only know that it is a very sad and tragic story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

Maybe I will get some negative response to my comments, but I've worked hard to pay my way in life and to pay my taxes. Paying for an army is necessary, but it's totally lost money and doesn't generate anything in return.

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it.

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By *rsIdiotWoman
over a year ago

Bedworth

"So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it."

Yes he did his job out of choice but unfortunately members of our armed forces are quite poorly paid and earn less than the average salary in this country. It's unlikely him and his wife could afford to pay for it privately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it."

I agree with you with a few exceptions. Most medical and technological advances come from military applications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it."

Paying for an army generates quite a lot in return. You get the freedom to post your opinions on a website.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

If I remember rightly the yanks can do it...in active service. They have to pay some towards it but it's heavily substisied (not sure I've spelt that right).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I remember rightly the yanks can do it...in active service. They have to pay some towards it but it's heavily substisied (not sure I've spelt that right). "

Makes sense to me. Help them with the costs but keeps the bill lower for the taxpayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've worked hard to pay my way in life and to pay my taxes. Paying for an army is necessary, but it's totally lost money and doesn't generate anything in return. "

Are you fucking high? You say that off the back of two wars that have lasted nearly 15 years?

That's the stupidest post I've seen for a longtime.

Shame on you

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

Far from being lost money that generates nothing in return, our armed services indirectly contribute a lot...first the freedom we enjoy, to say what we like when we like where we like....secondly a reduction on the amount of heroin flooding this country and thirdly, medical and other types of advances that will benefit many in years to come....modern day plastic surgery is a direct result of injuries sustained in the First World War.

So freezing there sperm, if they want it done is a small fringe benefit for putting your life on the line to protect the values that a democracy enjoys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I remember rightly the yanks can do it...in active service. They have to pay some towards it but it's heavily substisied (not sure I've spelt that right).

Makes sense to me. Help them with the costs but keeps the bill lower for the taxpayer. "

Those in the military pay tax too. In fact if a civilian spends longer than 6 month outside the UK they get their tax back.

A soldier goes to a warzone for 7 months nearly and puts it on the line, and gets a paltry 2 grand tax 'bonus

Cut benefits to pay for it. Right on OP, I'm with you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My question would be what piece of equipment is cut from the defence budget to pay for this

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Far from being lost money that generates nothing in return, our armed services indirectly contribute a lot...first the freedom we enjoy, to say what we like when we like where we like....secondly a reduction on the amount of heroin flooding this country and thirdly, medical and other types of advances that will benefit many in years to come....modern day plastic surgery is a direct result of injuries sustained in the First World War.

So freezing there sperm, if they want it done is a small fringe benefit for putting your life on the line to protect the values that a democracy enjoys."

Perhaps looking into the cost of implementing this small fringe benefit should be looked at first. I'm guessing cryogenics for all armed forces isn't going to be that cheap.

What about women serving? Do they get their eggs frozen too? How would it work if the woman dies and her partner finds a surrogate?

It's a very emotive subject and people will automatically jump up and.down saying how it's the very least we can do for soldiers but at a time where cuts are being made across the board I think it's a very flippant argument to make.

As Annie said, go into their job knowing the risks. If they feel strongly about preserving their sperm/eggs for the future then that is something they should look into personally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it."

Some great points and as much as I try to disagree, I can't. I'm still trying to work out why our boys were even sent there in the first place not to mention Iraq considering Sadam hated Bin Laden even more so than the Americans. If another country directly threatens us then ok I can understand but I am sick and tired of our boys being sent around the world getting limbs blown off then a 3 second mention at the start of Question Time then forgotten about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So freezing there sperm, if they want it done is a small fringe benefit for putting your life on the line to protect the values that a democracy enjoys."

I agree with most of your points but quickly search YouTube for 'US troops poppy fields' and you will begin to see what's behind some of these wars our boys are be subjected to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So freezing there sperm, if they want it done is a small fringe benefit for putting your life on the line to protect the values that a democracy enjoys.

I agree with most of your points but quickly search YouTube for 'US troops poppy fields' and you will begin to see what's behind some of these wars our boys are be subjected to. "

*facepalm*

YouTube conspiracy theory's and the tin foil helmet brigade arnt what the threads about.

Your disagreeing with guys being able to stick their sperm in a freezer that in the event they die their partner can have their child, because what? You disagree with the reasons of war?

Don't agree with other posters who have no idea what they are talking about.

Soldiers don't choose the battles they fight, they do as they're told.

I don't agree with compensation for soldiers killed in combat ( I know what I'm talking about here) as YES they did sign up.

But this is a totally different point. The two women disagreeing here are just worried their benefits maybe cut to pay for it. Fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

so, not only does the taxpayer have to pay to freeze soldiers sperm, incase they get droopy dick from shagging a local working girl

in the event the soldier pays the ultimate sacrifice, we then have to pay to raise his child as his wife now feels she needs a sprog to remind herself of him?

really?

why do people need to have kids for selfish reasons?

it proves our love

it will bring us closer

its part of us both

blah blah bullshit bullshit

i have said it before, and will do so again

if you want a child and your partner is nowhere to be seen, apply for a foster child, or adopt.

dead men cant pay maintanence.

i dont care if people feel they deserve it.

they are paid to do a job.

thye aply for this job, fully knowing what is involved.

our kid was meant to go to afghan with the TA.

he was shitting it

his missus was shitting

my parents were shitting

but he took the coin and it would have been his duty had his regiment finally been called up.

thankfully they werent at that time, and his time finished not long after

thats what being a soldier is about.

its a choice.

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I didnt realise that my original post would create such divide, it's a shame really because hearing what this man and his family have been through and how conducts himself it made me extremely proud and grateful that there are men and women like him that serve this great country of ours, so we can enjoy the freedoms we take take for granted that others are envious of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If I remember rightly the yanks can do it...in active service. They have to pay some towards it but it's heavily substisied (not sure I've spelt that right). "

The American military is a cradle to grave organisation. They have learned the lessons from previous un popular wars. The government could learn a lot. But then where do we cut other spending to pay for it? May be the amount we squander on aid to countries that have no need for it?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I didnt realise that my original post would create such divide, it's a shame really because hearing what this man and his family have been through and how conducts himself it made me extremely proud and grateful that there are men and women like him that serve this great country of ours, so we can enjoy the freedoms we take take for granted that others are envious of."

I have a great respect for the armed forces and what they do but the fact is there has to be limits to what is provided for them, there is no bottomless pit of money to provide for all the 'what if' moments. cryogenics is not a cheap science. where does the funding come from and what would suffer as a result?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"My question would be what piece of equipment is cut from the defence budget to pay for this "

We could start with Whitehall lunches.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Trouble is that this could cause untold lawsuits like the one recently where the woman's husband was killed and she had to fight to be able to continue to store and eventually use his sperm.

I don't know what the answer is, I only know that it is a very sad and tragic story. "
. The woman's husband wasn't killed he died of a brain tumor! I somewhat feel she is being selfish, since her husband passed away she has not wanted to use the frozen sperm until she is ready If I remember it's over 5 years now since he passed. In the next 5 years she might have moved on met someone else and want a child with them thus wasting money from the tax payer each year. Also the longer sperm is frozen the higher the risk of it not working as frozen sperm has a shelf life. In my opinion I feel they should be allowed to store sperm if going on a tour of duty. However it should be made clear that if the soldier was to be killed the sperm would have a shelf life of say 5 years after that time it should be destroyed. It's not there fault they get such serious injurys at the end of the day it's there job they have orders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining"

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

It's part of the military covenant. No doubt unlike many on here I have served and been to the sandbox. Yes I knew the risks when I joined, no I wasn't unable to get another job, and yes, I was proud because I was doing a job that meant something. I didn't want to die or be horrifically injured but I was prepared to risk it because I believe in our country and wha, in my opinion, it stands for.

The pay is appalling, we had nothing like the employment rights that the majority of you enjoy, accommodation and hours were at times shocking compared to civilians but I knew it would be. What I did expect was that the country would look after me if the worst happened.

To share my thoughts on the case in point I do not agree with frozen sperm/eggs being paid for by the tax payer but would look to HM govt to seek to find an accommodation with the pharmaceutical industry to reduce cost or subsidies cost.

I have seen, done and experienced things I would not wish on any one here, I am not naive enough to expect everyone to share my outlook but feel at times frustrated that those who benefit and sleep under the blanket of security that I and my former colleagues provide can be so strident and dismissive of our efforts.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

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By *hrissie1961Woman
over a year ago

dumfries and galloway

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

Thank you from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So he wants us - the taxpayers, to provide this service? Maybe if he was conscripted then I could see the argument.

But, while I have great sympathy for his injuries, and am grateful to him for serving our country, the fact is that he voluntarily took on this career, with his eyes open to the possible risks.

If this was a concern in their lives beforehand then why didn't they have it done privately?

You take on the job and it's pay - you take on the risks... and you could point this question at a whole range of jobs, so would you argue that all employers should provide this service?

I can't support it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

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By *urreyloverMan
over a year ago

Guildford

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As an ex soldier myself, no they shouldn't and why should they?

Most join the Armed forces for a job not to serve queen and country.Ask any ex and they will tell you the same, pissed off with people bitching about the equipment supplied by the mod when serving in a war zone.

also saying injured soldiers are brave, hmmm some are but you get injured for two reasons you were either sloppy or unlucky.

you know when you join you could either be killed or injured, most get on with it and most dont want sympathy. I could go on but l cant be arsed ...lee ex 2 para.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

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By *aceytopWoman
over a year ago

from a town near you

if you dont like the risks or the wages, get a job as a postman and stop your whining

I find this approach reprehensible, what if we all took this attitude? No doubt we would have a postal service the envy of the world but who would run the country?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My question would be what piece of equipment is cut from the defence budget to pay for this

We could start with Whitehall lunches."

free apartments overlooking the Thames for desk jobs in MOD (been there,seen it,fucked in it)

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By *ctaviusStuntMan
over a year ago

plymouth

sorry but this brave soldier was in afghanistan doing what exactly ?

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