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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Sir Michael Wilshaw now wants nurseries to get two year olds ready for school. I should have put something in his coffee when I had the chance.

Socialising is important for toddlers. Learning to use the toilet, learning to speak, learning to play and share.

I went to school at two and half and I am sure it led to some of the issues in my later school life.

Let them play a bit before making them formally learn.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

In the future maternity hospitals will be built next to schools.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

School desks at the end of the bed where you give birth

Out they pop....straight into a chair at a desk

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I went to nursery but remember it being full of games, not sums. We have the earliest start date for schools in Europe yet are not the best performing. Maybe the Govt should look at that some time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yet another reason the countrys as messed up as it is , lets concentrate on the scroungers and seemingly loose borders we have and let kids enjoy there childhood !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of my generation (whatever that is) didn't go to school until we were 4+, nearly 5 with little or no formal nursery.

And most of us did OK.

Is it the Finn's who have world class education yet only start school proppa at 6 or 7?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The good news is that if Labour get back in, continued Grade Inflation will negate the need to go to school at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yet another reason the countrys as messed up as it is , lets concentrate on the scroungers and seemingly loose borders we have and let kids enjoy there childhood !!!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yet another reason the countrys as messed up as it is , lets concentrate on the scroungers and seemingly loose borders we have and let kids enjoy there childhood !!!"

Yep, those fookin scroungers, stealing our money. Bastards!

Wilshaw always comes across as a pompous arrogant twerp anyway.Can't stand him.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Yet another reason the countrys as messed up as it is , lets concentrate on the scroungers and seemingly loose borders we have and let kids enjoy there childhood !!!

Yep, those fookin scroungers, stealing our money. Bastards!

Wilshaw always comes across as a pompous arrogant twerp anyway.Can't stand him."

He banned students from touching each other at all at his last school before taking on this role.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its the reason ive kept my child in nursery rather than put her into pre school

Ive encouraged her to learn when she wants too but no means have i ever forced learning on her.

Today she learnt to ride a bike..

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

It's ridiculous, kids should be kids, plenty of years for school and learning, my lad is 3 and has learnt lots at nursery like colours, numbers, his speech has improved massively, he sings songs, that's what 3 year olds should be doing.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

My problem is with setting them up to fail so early. Child development at that age is so variable and urging them on before they are ready is likely to be counter-productive.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm waiting for the exit exam to get from the womb to the room.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Neither of ours went to nursery and our son hated play school so much I took him out after three weeks. They've both done well, are lucky enough to have jobs and plenty of friends. Education isn't just about academic subjects.

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By *utty_JiggleCouple
over a year ago

Black Country


"I'm waiting for the exit exam to get from the womb to the room.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Neither of ours went to nursery and our son hated play school so much I took him out after three weeks. They've both done well, are lucky enough to have jobs and plenty of friends. Education isn't just about academic subjects."

Exactly! That point seems to be being missed. I would rather see families, with help as necessary, help their young children learn to use the toilet, to sleep, to play, to chatter, make mistakes, take risks, be kind, be creative, make a mess and have fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i understand the importance of communication, role play etc with children but when my child started to express an interest in basic maths, and wanting to read write i naturally asked 'how do i go about this whilst making it fun'

the reply i got was 'dont worry about sart teaching her, thats all schools do when she starts'

i was shocked, i was hardly gonna ram it down her neck just encourage her. can imagine learning a brand new thing is scary and frustrating with no prior experience of it.

im chuffed that my lil one can count to 20, write half of her name, can recognise about 20 basic words and can do simple maths and knows a few fractions. She learnt this because she was ready and wanted too. If she were to start in september having had zero experience i bet she'd hate school.

so can see the point of gentle introduction to education. Make it fun though

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Neither of ours went to nursery and our son hated play school so much I took him out after three weeks. They've both done well, are lucky enough to have jobs and plenty of friends. Education isn't just about academic subjects.

Exactly! That point seems to be being missed. I would rather see families, with help as necessary, help their young children learn to use the toilet, to sleep, to play, to chatter, make mistakes, take risks, be kind, be creative, make a mess and have fun.

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Me too and maths, English, music, biology etc. can all be introduced while doing all these things. I do think that the option for nursery should be there for those who want it though.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"i understand the importance of communication, role play etc with children but when my child started to express an interest in basic maths, and wanting to read write i naturally asked 'how do i go about this whilst making it fun'

the reply i got was 'dont worry about sart teaching her, thats all schools do when she starts'

i was shocked, i was hardly gonna ram it down her neck just encourage her. can imagine learning a brand new thing is scary and frustrating with no prior experience of it.

im chuffed that my lil one can count to 20, write half of her name, can recognise about 20 basic words and can do simple maths and knows a few fractions. She learnt this because she was ready and wanted too. If she were to start in september having had zero experience i bet she'd hate school.

so can see the point of gentle introduction to education. Make it fun though "

I don't disagree with teaching children. I am proud that my nephews could all count, knew the alphabet and could write their names and recognise words before they started school. They enjoyed nursery.

I don't agree with making formal learning part of nursery provision for two year olds.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Neither of ours went to nursery and our son hated play school so much I took him out after three weeks. They've both done well, are lucky enough to have jobs and plenty of friends. Education isn't just about academic subjects.

Exactly! That point seems to be being missed. I would rather see families, with help as necessary, help their young children learn to use the toilet, to sleep, to play, to chatter, make mistakes, take risks, be kind, be creative, make a mess and have fun.

Me too and maths, English, music, biology etc. can all be introduced while doing all these things. I do think that the option for nursery should be there for those who want it though."

I don't disagree with nursery provision just formalising the learning elements more than they are already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think 2 is too young glad I've got my little girl a few months longer before she goes to nursery

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two is far too young to begin preparing children for school ! Like you say the important elements are learning to talk, play, sharing , exploring & experiencing new things every day ! And having fun!

Certainly not formal learning !

Children's lives are far too target driven nowadays with little allowance for individuality .

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

2 is far to young my grandson is 17 months old hes very bright and quick to learn

my youngest went early and it didn't help her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's good for little children to know stuff. When they eventually start school it will make life easier. I taught mine numbers, alphabet and insects and stuff. They like to know and if you make it fun then it's just like playing to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a problem with kids not being ready for school in terms of toilet control, holding a pencil/paint brush, holding a book etc.

But that's all stuff parents are responsible for, not parents.

Personally I'd like to see less of a push for graduate nursery carers and more encouragement for older people to look after nippers with more of an emphasis on love and care and less on monitoring and targets.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"There is a problem with kids not being ready for school in terms of toilet control, holding a pencil/paint brush, holding a book etc.

But that's all stuff parents are responsible for, not parents.

Personally I'd like to see less of a push for graduate nursery carers and more encouragement for older people to look after nippers with more of an emphasis on love and care and less on monitoring and targets."

Hence my little snipe earlier. Schools are being, more and more, expected to raise children since so many parents are either unwilling or unable to. Basics like going to the loo. Some primary schools are now reporting children still in nappies at 5!

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"There is a problem with kids not being ready for school in terms of toilet control, holding a pencil/paint brush, holding a book etc.

But that's all stuff parents are responsible for, not parents.

Personally I'd like to see less of a push for graduate nursery carers and more encouragement for older people to look after nippers with more of an emphasis on love and care and less on monitoring and targets.

Hence my little snipe earlier. Schools are being, more and more, expected to raise children since so many parents are either unwilling or unable to. Basics like going to the loo. Some primary schools are now reporting children still in nappies at 5!"

A teacher friend reported having several in her class of five year olds still in nappies.

I understand what Michael is suggesting I just don't think he is tackling it in the right way.

Pulling Sure Start and replacing it with school targets is the wrong approach in my opinion as it removes that parental involvement yet further.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"There is a problem with kids not being ready for school in terms of toilet control, holding a pencil/paint brush, holding a book etc.

But that's all stuff parents are responsible for, not parents.

Personally I'd like to see less of a push for graduate nursery carers and more encouragement for older people to look after nippers with more of an emphasis on love and care and less on monitoring and targets.

Hence my little snipe earlier. Schools are being, more and more, expected to raise children since so many parents are either unwilling or unable to. Basics like going to the loo. Some primary schools are now reporting children still in nappies at 5!"

15 or so years ago our two used to have friends to tea who had never sat at a table to eat and a couple who had never used a knife and fork at 7 and 8 they ate meat and three veg with their finger...I was shocked. I don't think it was the schools responsibility to be teaching them this it was their parent or carer.

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By *icketysplits OP   Woman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


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Hence my little snipe earlier. Schools are being, more and more, expected to raise children since so many parents are either unwilling or unable to. Basics like going to the loo. Some primary schools are now reporting children still in nappies at 5!

15 or so years ago our two used to have friends to tea who had never sat at a table to eat and a couple who had never used a knife and fork at 7 and 8 they ate meat and three veg with their finger...I was shocked. I don't think it was the schools responsibility to be teaching them this it was their parent or carer."

That's where the emphasis should be - getting parents up to scratch so that they can support their children throughout their lives. We get an opportunity when the children are very young as families are being seen by health professionals and others.

Getting two year olds ready for school when their families don't give a stuff won't change their life chances as much as Michael thinks.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"There is a problem with kids not being ready for school in terms of toilet control, holding a pencil/paint brush, holding a book etc.

But that's all stuff parents are responsible for, not parents.

Personally I'd like to see less of a push for graduate nursery carers and more encouragement for older people to look after nippers with more of an emphasis on love and care and less on monitoring and targets.

Hence my little snipe earlier. Schools are being, more and more, expected to raise children since so many parents are either unwilling or unable to. Basics like going to the loo. Some primary schools are now reporting children still in nappies at 5!

15 or so years ago our two used to have friends to tea who had never sat at a table to eat and a couple who had never used a knife and fork at 7 and 8 they ate meat and three veg with their finger...I was shocked. I don't think it was the schools responsibility to be teaching them this it was their parent or carer."

Exactly. So why push this onto the education system- which, ultimately, is the taxpayer? I've said it for years - some parents should just give birth at the school gates and hand them over. Then collect them again at 16.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

It concerns me that in the one hand the authorities demonise those who depend on the state while on the other suggesting that when it suits them we should hand our tiny children into their care for even the most basic of education. The state/government can't have it all ways they either control our lives from cradle to grave or they help and support us to look after ourselves and its up to us to choose I think.....I know what I would choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I suppose the argument is that it isn't children's fault to have shit parents and so where possible 'the system' should accommodate the children's needs.

But I think more should be done to challenge crap parents first.

On the other hand most parents are forced into work as soon as possible, leaving children in more and more childcare.These proposals would force more professionalism, more bureaucracy - more costs. A big cycle that forces more and more into work, and more dependence on childcare.

I think less rigidity, and a big drive to get older people - grandparents who are more an expert than any degree graduate - into what should be an enjoyable and rewarding job.

Won't hold my breath.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Neither of ours went to nursery and our son hated play school so much I took him out after three weeks. They've both done well, are lucky enough to have jobs and plenty of friends. Education isn't just about academic subjects.

Exactly! That point seems to be being missed. I would rather see families, with help as necessary, help their young children learn to use the toilet, to sleep, to play, to chatter, make mistakes, take risks, be kind, be creative, make a mess and have fun.

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