FabSwingers.com forum: Rest in peace: BBC

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So the conservatives finally found a way to destroy the BBC and get Rupert Murdoch back on side in time for the election. They're going to decriminalise non-payment of the license fee which basically takes away any fear it may have held for people. And thus more and more will say "fuck it, take me to small claims". It might take a few years but it's a big nail in the coffin.

And I know the anti-license fee lot will be on here shortly banging on about how they don't ever ever ever watch any BBC output (bet you do, it's everywhere) and how it's their choice to pay stupid amounts for Sky blah blah fucking blah.

But I like the BBC and will be very sad when there's nothing to watch but a bazillion channels of Ant n Decs Saturday night cunt fest and Big Brother does Dancing on the Stars in a Cube. And nothing to listen to but 2 songs-10 adverts-2 songs-10 adverts........

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Ive started paying my licence this year for the first time in a few years.

Living in a block of flats Ive kind of known if I don't let them in they can't prosecute - or at least thats what I wrongly found.

I pay £5.60 a week and think that is good value - I don't pay all year round.

I don't have sky or cable just a shitty digi box where at the moment only a few channels work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's excellent news. People shouldn't be forced to pay for something they don't want or don't need. The only BBC programmes we tend to watch are ones that they've sold to Sky. The breaks in between are a good opportunity to go to the loo, make a cuppa, discuss the programme etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So the conservatives finally found a way to destroy the BBC and get Rupert Murdoch back on side in time for the election. They're going to decriminalise non-payment of the license fee which basically takes away any fear it may have held for people. And thus more and more will say "fuck it, take me to small claims". It might take a few years but it's a big nail in the coffin.

I love you Jodie

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"That's excellent news. People shouldn't be forced to pay for something they don't want or don't need. The only BBC programmes we tend to watch are ones that they've sold to Sky. The breaks in between are a good opportunity to go to the loo, make a cuppa, discuss the programme etc."

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts!

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By *punkloverCouple
over a year ago

hatfield

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?"

Adverts

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts"

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

this is going to need some clarification attached to it.....

they are going to turn "non payment of tv license" from a criminal offence to a civil offence... which means that if wont affect someone in job applications (for example if they had to do CRB checks), and it is something you won't be sent to prison for.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station."

Don't agree at all, and I prefer regional radio stations as well.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station.

Don't agree at all, and I prefer regional radio stations as well."

You don't mind being intrupted for a repeated advert?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts! "

Sky movies don't have advert breaks during the film, and On Demand programmes only have breaks of a few seconds.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station.

Don't agree at all, and I prefer regional radio stations as well.

You don't mind being intrupted for a repeated advert?"

No, not at all. If I'm that into the programme I record it on the sky box and fast forward through the advert breaks. It really isn't a hardship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont understand the problem with adverts.

people need to relax.

the BBC have just announced they are closing my favourite BBC channel, to concentrate on BBC drama, of which i have no interest, so what exactly do i owe to the beeb?

nothing.

unfortunately, being a resonable human being, i pay my bills, and i pay my licence, without question.

however, if it goes up, i may well reconsider this course of action and to hell with the consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station."

I HATE ad breaks on TV and on the radio. So the death of the bbc services will be a grave shame. I'm gutted they are axing bbc3!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts!

Sky movies don't have advert breaks during the film, and On Demand programmes only have breaks of a few seconds."

Not everyone can justify spending stupid money on Sky or virgin subscriptions.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts!

Sky movies don't have advert breaks during the film, and On Demand programmes only have breaks of a few seconds.

Not everyone can justify spending stupid money on Sky or virgin subscriptions. "

Freeview has similar facilities.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

youre on the fence with this one then jodie ..yeh ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts!

Sky movies don't have advert breaks during the film, and On Demand programmes only have breaks of a few seconds.

Not everyone can justify spending stupid money on Sky or virgin subscriptions.

Freeview has similar facilities."

Do believe u still have ad breaks on Freeview channels.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the beeb should get off there fat overpaid arses and advertise on there channels like every other broadcaster does.the licence fee is outdated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts!

Sky movies don't have advert breaks during the film, and On Demand programmes only have breaks of a few seconds.

Not everyone can justify spending stupid money on Sky or virgin subscriptions.

Freeview has similar facilities.

Do believe u still have ad breaks on Freeview channels. "

But with the right Freeview box you can record, then fast forward through the ads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also, don't forget that according to some reports by legitimate news agencies, the amount of compensation paid out to Jimmy Savile's victims will equate to just under £4million which is approximately 27586 license fees.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Also, don't forget that according to some reports by legitimate news agencies, the amount of compensation paid out to Jimmy Savile's victims will equate to just under £4million which is approximately 27586 license fees."

And payments to Sky helped hack Milly Dowlers phone.

And Princess Dianas.

And Hugh Grants.

And Sienna Millers

And................well you can look up the list for yourself and the trial continues on how all that was covered up.

Advert free TV and Radio is not outdated. It has brought and continues to bring some of the best television and radio to us.

And if you're really going to go down the route of "I'm not paying for something I don't use", how about a rebate on your council tax if you don't own a car? Or never call the emergency services?

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By *hyllyphyllyMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Lets not forget the the BBC want to charge you the fee if you just have access to iplayer.

As it stands right now, you need to pay to watch Doctor Who when it's being broadcast, but wait an hr and watch it on catch up, and you don't.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I have just the basic bollocks with no internet connection or phone line coming in. My internet is through a dongle which isn't fast enough to stream.

I dont want to have to pay extra and press butttons (lazy shit) just to miss adverts.

Besides - Radio adverts make my blood boil. We have awful ones in our area

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And payments to Sky helped hack Milly Dowlers phone.

And Princess Dianas.

And Hugh Grants.

And Sienna Millers

And................well you can look up the list for yourself and the trial continues on how all that was covered up.

Advert free TV and Radio is not outdated. It has brought and continues to bring some of the best television and radio to us.

And if you're really going to go down the route of "I'm not paying for something I don't use", how about a rebate on your council tax if you don't own a car? Or never call the emergency services?

With Sky, you have the choice to pay, and the rebates you mention are an excellent idea. Please forward them to your MP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your last paragraph made me laugh out loud on the bus.

They need a Greg Dyke figure back at the beeb. Least he took no shit from politicians. These days the guys at the top are chinless wonders. Yes men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point of the BBC is it supposed to be independent. As soon as you start relying on commercial organisations for income you loose that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you they get the money to pay for it?

Adverts

We all agree its better without, Im sure.

It would be such a shame.

Imagine the radio on with adverts like a reginal station.

I HATE ad breaks on TV and on the radio. So the death of the bbc services will be a grave shame. I'm gutted they are axing bbc3! "

We get attrition marketed to death 24 hours a day. It's a haven from being sold shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

whoever says the ideology of the beeb is to be completely independant, is way off the mark.

the channel pedals its own political agenda every time there is anything happening, both here and elsewhere in the world.

very very rarely do i see any reporting thats straight down the middle

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By *utmegsMan
over a year ago

Closer than you think

I never cease to be amazed that people rail against the licence fee but are happy to pay up to the Dirty Digger. I know you don't 'have' to pay him, but the alternative is that you don't watch his output.

I'm guessing that de-criminalisation will be followed by the BBC becoming a subscription service.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

"whoever says the ideology of the beeb is to be completely independant, is way off the mark.

the channel pedals its own political agenda every time there is anything happening, both here and elsewhere in the world.

very very rarely do i see any reporting thats straight down the middle"

*shrug* We live in a country where whoever wants to be PM has to go to Rupert Murdoch and basically beg for his support.

The impartiality of the beeb is nothing next to this.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".............

They need a Greg Dyke figure back at the beeb. Least he took no shit from politicians. These days the guys at the top are chinless wonders. Yes men."

Like Chris Patten? The guy who gave away Hong Kong?

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

I'm guessing that de-criminalisation will be followed by the BBC becoming a subscription service."
exactly why the big push to digitalise the tv and radio then can only be watched & listened to with a decription code

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

".............

They need a Greg Dyke figure back at the beeb. Least he took no shit from politicians. These days the guys at the top are chinless wonders. Yes men.

Like Chris Patten? The guy who gave away Hong Kong?"
also former chairman of the tory party so the cucoo in the nest

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It will die a long and agonising death and I am sad that resuscitation will be withheld.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".............

They need a Greg Dyke figure back at the beeb. Least he took no shit from politicians. These days the guys at the top are chinless wonders. Yes men.

Like Chris Patten? The guy who gave away Hong Kong?also former chairman of the tory party so the cucoo in the nest "

Good Lord no!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment"

not many listening _abio,seems its more fun to rant

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

adverts-2 songs-10 adverts........"

We are totally with you! This is such a bad move as the BBC is last bastion of decent television and radio without it we will be left with broadcasting designed purely for the likes of Joey Essex.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

adverts-2 songs-10 adverts........

We are totally with you! This is such a bad move as the BBC is last bastion of decent television and radio without it we will be left with broadcasting designed purely for the likes of Joey Essex. "

And made in America.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment

not many listening _abio,seems its more fun to rant

And to be any sort of deterrent, the fine will have to be more than the licence fee.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"The only BBC programmes we tend to watch are ones that they've sold to Sky. "

but you watched top gear on sunday night, you must have done to make the comment about the bridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only BBC programmes we tend to watch are ones that they've sold to Sky.

but you watched top gear on sunday night, you must have done to make the comment about the bridge

Nope, watched the video clip from an online news site.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only BBC programmes we tend to watch are ones that they've sold to Sky.

but you watched top gear on sunday night, you must have done to make the comment about the bridge

Nope, watched the video clip from an online news site."

Oops, forgot the mandatory

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation"

Not sure how you draw that conlusion but I disagree completely.

BBC4 and Radio4 alone are worth the licence fee for me, both commercial radio and tv are 90% drivel.

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By *ustmaybeMan
over a year ago

Northwood

For 40p a day, there must something amongst all the BBC services (tv, radio, online) that everyone uses at least once a day?

Nothing else comes close to vale for money.

Cbeebies is a lifesaver for those with young kids.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For 40p a day, there must something amongst all the BBC services (tv, radio, online) that everyone uses at least once a day?

Nothing else comes close to vale for money.

Cbeebies is a lifesaver for those with young kids."

We do watch some BBC programmes, because we are forced to pay for it, and some are mildly entertaining. We really wouldn't miss it if it wasn't there, and would enjoy spending the £145 much more on something else. Perhaps avid viewers should pay more, and let those who can do without it pay nothing towards it.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

. .drogba isn't dead he's just playing for the other team

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation"

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I agree, the BBC has become a little bit skewed of late, mainly because the government has been on its case since the dirty dossier scandal, but could always be relied on to give a fairly balanced output.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

With Sky, you have the choice to pay, and the rebates you mention are an excellent idea. Please forward them to your MP."

Of course. It's so much better to voluntarily give your money to a bunch of unethical bastards.

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

the new rule should be anyone stil working at the bbc that was there when Jim'll fix it was there should just be lined up and shot...just in case

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With Sky, you have the choice to pay, and the rebates you mention are an excellent idea. Please forward them to your MP.

Of course. It's so much better to voluntarily give your money to a bunch of unethical bastards."

TV is a multi-billion pound industry - you would have to be very naive to believe that anyone involved in its production isn't a crook in some shape or form. Anyway, why aren't you currently getting your VFM and watching The Great British Sewing Bee instead of posting in a forum?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

".............

They need a Greg Dyke figure back at the beeb. Least he took no shit from politicians. These days the guys at the top are chinless wonders. Yes men.

Like Chris Patten? The guy who gave away Hong Kong?"

Are you having a laugh? He was simply the governor when it was handed over. The results of an agreement made long long before he had anything to do with it.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment

not many listening _abio,seems its more fun to rant

And to be any sort of deterrent, the fine will have to be more than the licence fee."

well the maximum fine at the moment for non-payment is £1000.. paying the license is £145

think it is better that it becomes a civil offense... in the last 2 years 107 people have been send to jail for non-payment

non-payment of council tax is a civil offence...

minor driving things such as parking tickets, speeding, and having no MOT/Insurance on their own are civil offences

so I don't see why Non-payment should be a criminal offence where jail time is warrented....

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda. "

Auntie seems to manage to piss off both sides of a situation in almost equal measure.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda. "

Lol its on par with fox news.

And they are all with the corporate agenda.

the dodgy dossier was just a show.

what happened exactly?

You show me fair balanced on israel, nhs, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, firemen, and they protect paedos.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment

not many listening _abio,seems its more fun to rant

It sure is

This forum is much more entertaining than the beebosaur.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"i dont understand the problem with adverts.

people need to relax.

the BBC have just announced they are closing my favourite BBC channel, to concentrate on BBC drama, of which i have no interest, so what exactly do i owe to the beeb?

nothing.

unfortunately, being a resonable human being, i pay my bills, and i pay my licence, without question.

however, if it goes up, i may well reconsider this course of action and to hell with the consequences."

Let's not let facts get in the way of a perfectly ill informed rant shall we? Most of the BBC 3 content will go on other channels and all of it is moving to Iplayer so you can access it all the time. Even better for you. You do not need to remember to record it etc. Additionally the licence fee pays for Iplayer so it is worth paying for that alone.

You are allowed to watch BBC programmes on iplayer after they have been first screened without paying for a tv licence but to use that as an argument is erroneous for a few reasons.

1. The licence fee is needed to pay for the programme in the first place.

2. Saying that you can get it free so why bother paying is basically the argument a child would employ and is selfish and short sighted.

3. The BBC provides public service broadcasting across the world providing unbiased information in countries that toil under opression and censorship. We as a nation have a duty to preserve that. Without these freedoms sites like this would not exist.

Channel 4 is also funded by the government and no one moans about that do they?

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment"

I hear you fella!!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

"i dont understand the problem with adverts.

people need to relax.

the BBC have just announced they are closing my favourite BBC channel, to concentrate on BBC drama, of which i have no interest, so what exactly do i owe to the beeb?

nothing.

unfortunately, being a resonable human being, i pay my bills, and i pay my licence, without question.

however, if it goes up, i may well reconsider this course of action and to hell with the consequences.

You are allowed to watch BBC programmes on iplayer after they have been first screened without paying for a tv licence but to use that as an argument is erroneous for a few reasons.

1. The licence fee is needed to pay for the programme in the first place.

2. Saying that you can get it free so why bother paying is basically the argument a child would employ and is selfish and short sighted.

Channel 4 is also funded by the government and no one moans about that do they? "

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda.

Lol its on par with fox news.

And they are all with the corporate agenda.

the dodgy dossier was just a show.

what happened exactly?

You show me fair balanced on israel, nhs, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, firemen, and they protect paedos.

Good gracious...

Fair and balanced means showing both sides to an argument and giving them a chance to be heard. It does not mean only saying what you want to hear and what you think is right.

And they do not protect paedos. How moronic is that? Who do you think has given all the evidence to the police to catch the people who did commit crimes in the past?

You will see that many if not all the cases that only involve members of the public's word are falling flat. The cases which have stuck have been partly as a result of the BBC seeking and providing evidence. Also plenty people from other channels have been arrested too. However these channels have a financial incentive to keep it quiet and not help the police or sponsors and advertisers would go elsewhere. The licence fee allows the BBC to expose its own wrongdoing where other channels refuse.

Your argument suggests, by extrapolation, that organisations who are bribing government officials, bribing the police, hacking the phone of dead schoolgirls etc etc and still seeking to cover all that up are better than an organisation who admits wrongdoing and puts it right?

Have a think about your pathological shortsightedness and have the sense to realise when you are bloody lucky to have the bbc and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

How much will NOT broadcasting BBC3 save?

I'd have thought the expensive bit was making the programmes, and they're going to continue to do that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone who doubts BBC is worth the money- Shetland, BBC1 right now . Maybe only in Scotland.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda.

Lol its on par with fox news.

And they are all with the corporate agenda.

the dodgy dossier was just a show.

what happened exactly?

You show me fair balanced on israel, nhs, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, firemen, and they protect paedos.

Good gracious...

Fair and balanced means showing both sides to an argument and giving them a chance to be heard. It does not mean only saying what you want to hear and what you think is right.

And they do not protect paedos. How moronic is that? Who do you think has given all the evidence to the police to catch the people who did commit crimes in the past?

Have a think about your pathological shortsightedness and have the sense to realise when you are bloody lucky to have the bbc and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. "

I stand by my statement of brainwashed

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

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over a year ago

It's the fact you can't watch any other Channels unless you pay a licence fee to the bbc that's unfair,and it doesn't matter if its on tv computer or phone

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By *udie_GirlTV/TS
over a year ago

Rochdale

So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda.

Lol its on par with fox news.

And they are all with the corporate agenda.

the dodgy dossier was just a show.

what happened exactly?

You show me fair balanced on israel, nhs, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, firemen, and they protect paedos.

Good gracious...

Fair and balanced means showing both sides to an argument and giving them a chance to be heard. It does not mean only saying what you want to hear and what you think is right.

And they do not protect paedos. How moronic is that? Who do you think has given all the evidence to the police to catch the people who did commit crimes in the past?

Have a think about your pathological shortsightedness and have the sense to realise when you are bloody lucky to have the bbc and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I stand by my statement of brainwashed"

I suggest you do. It will help lend an air of authenticity to the rather exellent levels of lunacy contained therein.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The BBC is a load of shite.

Just pure propaganda bullshit brainwashing the nation

I beg your pardon? What exactly are you comparing that to? Sky? Fox News?

Give me a break.

I take it you prefer your news with a corporate agenda.

Lol its on par with fox news.

And they are all with the corporate agenda.

the dodgy dossier was just a show.

what happened exactly?

You show me fair balanced on israel, nhs, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, firemen, and they protect paedos.

Good gracious...

Fair and balanced means showing both sides to an argument and giving them a chance to be heard. It does not mean only saying what you want to hear and what you think is right.

And they do not protect paedos. How moronic is that? Who do you think has given all the evidence to the police to catch the people who did commit crimes in the past?

Have a think about your pathological shortsightedness and have the sense to realise when you are bloody lucky to have the bbc and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. "

Eloquent and rational, but wasted on some here unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Quite some time ago I was one of the people saying that the licence fee should be scraped. Now, and with all the channels available, I think the BBC make some of the best programmes (apart from sitcoms which nobody seems to be able to get right at the moment). They also have some very good regional radio shows and they commentate extremely well on whatever sport they have left. They have a great cookery website and all the websites they have seem to be well thought out and displayed. I am also impressed, to a degree, with their news coverage although that does seem to lean in favour of whatever party is in at the time. Their current affairs programmes seem well run also.

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

lets face it, the bbc has had its day, Eastenders and R1 is all they have, most of the good stuff was on bbc3 and they messing with that now

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

"i dont understand the problem with adverts.

people need to relax.

the BBC have just announced they are closing my favourite BBC channel, to concentrate on BBC drama, of which i have no interest, so what exactly do i owe to the beeb?

nothing.

unfortunately, being a resonable human being, i pay my bills, and i pay my licence, without question.

however, if it goes up, i may well reconsider this course of action and to hell with the consequences.

You are allowed to watch BBC programmes on iplayer after they have been first screened without paying for a tv licence but to use that as an argument is erroneous for a few reasons.

1. The licence fee is needed to pay for the programme in the first place.

2. Saying that you can get it free so why bother paying is basically the argument a child would employ and is selfish and short sighted.

Channel 4 is also funded by the government and no one moans about that do they? "

Channel 4 isn't funded by the government. It is funded through their advertising revenue. It does have a public service remit that it has to abide by though.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?"

Don't worry. That won't happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watching TV is a horrible addiction worse than smoking heroin.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Watching TV is a horrible addiction worse than smoking heroin."

You go into a room of people watching tv is like a room full of zombies...

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"Watching TV is a horrible addiction worse than smoking heroin."

No it is not. Heroin kills people and funds wars. It tears families apart. Tv is simply mundane.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I'd posted this thread before I read this. http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-03-15/never-mind-saving-bbc3-the-bbc-itself-is-in-danger

Obviously other people feel the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How much will NOT broadcasting BBC3 save?

I'd have thought the expensive bit was making the programmes, and they're going to continue to do that."

im sure i read a figure of £30 million somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?"

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm with someone on here that said they pay it because they have to but it does make Top Gear incredibly expensive as that really is all I watch where the Beeb is concerned

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over a year ago

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year."

When you say "contribute" do you mean "forced to pay"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The point is if your want to watch any television you have to pay for a licence. All the money goes to the BBC even if you never watch anything the BBC produce. How is that fair? It's about time it became a subscrition service.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

When you say "contribute" do you mean "forced to pay"?"

like the rest of the country im sure there are some who are happy to pay and some who arent.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year."

Whereas the SNP Shite Paper says "The SBS will receive licence fee revenue from Scotland, which is of the order of £320 million; £13 million from BBC commercial profits; and around £12 million from the Scottish Government for Gaelic broadcasting - a combined total for publicly-funded public service broadcasting in Scotland of £345 million"

Somebody is telling porkies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

Somebody is telling porkies."

wheres the lies _nny, doesnt take much to figure out the difference would come from hollyrood, in the same way that westminster subsidises the bbc.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

Somebody is telling porkies.

wheres the lies _nny, doesnt take much to figure out the difference would come from hollyrood, in the same way that westminster subsidises the bbc."

So Scottish people will have to pay more? Maybe Holyrood will just use magic beans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

Somebody is telling porkies.

wheres the lies _nny, doesnt take much to figure out the difference would come from hollyrood, in the same way that westminster subsidises the bbc.

So Scottish people will have to pay more? Maybe Holyrood will just use magic beans."

On that rational _nny all UK population currently pay more as the government subsidise the bbc already, is westminster using magic beans.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"So what will the position be regarding the BBC and license fees in scotland should they get independance?

the scottish government proposes to set up a new scottish broadcaster who would receive the licence fees in scotland.

fyi, bbc figures show scotland contribute circa £240 million per year.

Somebody is telling porkies.

wheres the lies _nny, doesnt take much to figure out the difference would come from hollyrood, in the same way that westminster subsidises the bbc.

So Scottish people will have to pay more? Maybe Holyrood will just use magic beans.

On that rational _nny all UK population currently pay more as the government subsidise the bbc already, is westminster using magic beans."

Stop using rational arguments. They don't work here. You need to apply as much partisan sarcasm as possible whilst refusing to listen to any other reason.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

How do the govt subsidise the BBC exactly?

Well if you don't want to pay your license fee then don't and you may or may not end up in court. But when the BBC folds or becomes subscription only (and/or ends up like PBS in America and has to have crap telethons to raise cash) you'll have the choice you so desperately claim to want.

And that choice will be: pay considerably more than £12 a month to watch lower quality telly, or don't watch telly at all.

"Aha but with the BBC gone, other TV networks will spring up and the price will come down! Got you there you uppity tranny!"

Well no, not really. You'll get more stations showing the same very low budget repeated dross because no one will be able to afford to make any original programming. So I'm back to bazillions of channels of Ant n fucking Dec.

Joy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do the govt subsidise the BBC exactly?

And that choice will be: pay considerably more than £12 a month to watch lower quality telly, or don't watch telly at all.

"Aha but with the BBC gone, other TV networks will spring up and the price will come down! Got you there you uppity tranny!"

Joy. "
the government top up the licence fee(aprox£3.4b) and commercial income(aprox £1.2b) with an annual grant in recent years this has varied between £250m and £300m, there has also been specific additional funds provided for digital switchover and the now abandoned digital project at the bbc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You mean the world service grant? Which is being wound up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

wow way to be melodramtic, it's just going to be handled like parking tickets now.

Ie a civil matter not a criminal one.

nothing changes just that now 10% of criminal cases costing millions a year wont be non payment of tv licenses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you suggest they get the money to pay for it?"

the massive international business arm of their operations where they commercially sell all their programs and services making billions?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Joy. "

if that was true why are american TV shows much more high budget than the uk ones?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You mean the world service grant? Which is being wound up. "

As far as im aware that is part of the grant from government, unless i am being misinformed i believe it also includes funds for bbc alba, s4c, asian network and other projects/services.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well! "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a bit OTT having non payment of TV licence as a criminal offence. If that argument was followed through all Utility Bills should be criminal for non payment.

I'm glad to pay my TV licence. It's great value, so why should I stop paying it once it becomes a Civil rather than a criminal offence. If you use a service you should pay for it. Simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great news-take it further and break up the whole bbc monopoly.

Crap news programmes overloaded with luvvies and over the top pay for top execs.

BBC Scotland is a total shambles will be glad if it is totally wiped out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's a bit OTT having non payment of TV licence as a criminal offence. If that argument was followed through all Utility Bills should be criminal for non payment.

I'm glad to pay my TV licence. It's great value, so why should I stop paying it once it becomes a Civil rather than a criminal offence. If you use a service you should pay for it. Simple.

the reason its currently a criminal offence is that the licence fee is classed as a tax, non payment is therefore treated in a similar way to tax evasion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not suggesting you should stop paying it if it's decriminalised (sounds like its a class A drug!), just that it was perhaps only the fear of the criminal record keeping a lot of people paying.

I imagine non-payment is unlikely to be persued with the vigor of speeding fines etc simply because of the huge quantity of people who might decide not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree! I hate films and dramas interrupted by adverts! "

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well! "

Yes, everyone that doesn't feel the need to watch, and are forced to pay for the BBC, are racist nazis. We're probably also responsible for the Malaysian flight disappearance, the murder of Jesus Christ and creme eggs getting smaller.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Sorry, I meant to say "dont tell them they're funding ethnic stuff twice".

And you probably object to your taxes funding british assets looking for the Malaysian jet because you're not on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Sorry, I meant to say "dont tell them they're funding ethnic stuff twice".

And you probably object to your taxes funding british assets looking for the Malaysian jet because you're not on it. "

Of course I don't object - it's money spent to help other humans, not money spent on an unnecessary entertainment medium. I would have thought that you could recognise the intrinsic difference.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

".....

BBC Scotland is a total shambles will be glad if it is totally wiped out."

Two words. Judith Ralston.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The licence fees is a hangover from the days when the BBC was the only channel.

Why should I pay for a form of entertainment I rarely watch?

Would rather spend the money on sex, drugs and rock n roll

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Sorry, I meant to say "dont tell them they're funding ethnic stuff twice".

And you probably object to your taxes funding british assets looking for the Malaysian jet because you're not on it.

Of course I don't object - it's money spent to help other humans, not money spent on an unnecessary entertainment medium. I would have thought that you could recognise the intrinsic difference."

You only deem it unnecessary because you don't like it and don't want to pay for it regardless of the fact that you probably watch or listen to content it's had a hand in every day, whether you know it or not. I feel it's an essential entertainment/information medium which serves and is recognised in a large proportion of the world, is a part of our national identity and has enhanced my life over the years if noone elses.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Sorry, I meant to say "dont tell them they're funding ethnic stuff twice".

And you probably object to your taxes funding british assets looking for the Malaysian jet because you're not on it.

Of course I don't object - it's money spent to help other humans, not money spent on an unnecessary entertainment medium. I would have thought that you could recognise the intrinsic difference.

We don't have to feel the same way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shouldn't they make the BBC pay per view, not pay like it or not ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the great Tommy Cooper may have once said "stick hornets next ... Hornets nest stick .... Ahahaha ... Just like that!" Generating so much more heat than light here folks

And swinger shall speak unto swinger

Oh dear Jodie what have you done?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As the great Tommy Cooper may have once said "stick hornets nest... Hornets nest stick .... Ahahaha ... Just like that!" Generating so much more heat than light here folks

And swinger shall speak unto swinger

Oh dear Jodie what have you done?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....

BBC Scotland is a total shambles will be glad if it is totally wiped out.

Two words. Judith Ralston."

she'll never be a match for shereen nanjiani

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"again... people will still have to pay for the licence!!!

people will still be fined for non payment!

its just they have removed the threat of jail for non-payment

not many listening _abio,seems its more fun to rant

this wont harm the BBC much, even wonga wont lend if you have ccj's unpaid. and nobody gets sent to jail for unpaid license anyway.

what many seem to forget is without the BBC there wouldnt be Freeview or digital tv and no 3g or 4g phone bandwidth so mobile phones and smartphones would be dying fast in busy places like London.

so next time you browse fab on your phone, say thanks to the tv license which has served this country well for many years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Sorry, I meant to say "dont tell them they're funding ethnic stuff twice".

And you probably object to your taxes funding british assets looking for the Malaysian jet because you're not on it.

Of course I don't object - it's money spent to help other humans, not money spent on an unnecessary entertainment medium. I would have thought that you could recognise the intrinsic difference.

On the contrary, I do like some of the content of the BBC. I wouldn't, however, miss those programmes if they were no longer broadcast. My life really isn't that empty. I think there's something else behind your dislike of commercial television stations. Last night, the Mr and I watched a fascinating documentary on Nat Geo. During the first break, I made a cuppa while he checked our ebay sales. In the second break we went out onto the patio and threw dog biscuits down the garden for the foxes. During the third break, we discussed the first parts of the programme, and while we did so, an advert came on for the washing powder we needed on half price at one of our 3 local supermarkets. We shopped there earlier, and saved £5. I think you hate commercial stations with such passion because you don't want to spend the breaks not being bombarded by the thrilling plot of Eastenders in the company of somebody you really don't like.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let them run adverts then they can do away with the licence fee.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let them run adverts then they can do away with the licence fee. "

Couldn't agree more! We saved £5 today because of an advert

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over a year ago

yeah you dont need to pay a license for tv at all. You dont sign a contract or agree to so why pay.

The website states you can own a tv and watch dvds,catch up but not live but even thats rubbish, you can watch whatever you want.

Never heard of anyone being prosecuted for not paying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah you dont need to pay a license for tv at all. You dont sign a contract or agree to so why pay.

The website states you can own a tv and watch dvds,catch up but not live but even thats rubbish, you can watch whatever you want.

Never heard of anyone being prosecuted for not paying."

there are plenty who get prosecuted, my brother in law is one of the, stupid pratt thought it was a one off payment not an annual one.

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

The BBC doesn't help itself at times unfortunately by wasting vast amounts of money. Over £100 million wasted on the failed DMI project is an absolute disgrace. At least they are getting rid of BBC3, which is a shambles of a channel.

BBC4 is excellent though.

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By *horltzMan
over a year ago

heysham

"Fuck sake, dont tell the haters that they're funding ethnic stuff as well!

Cream eggs are getting smaller ??? What is the world coming too !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh to hell with it....let's stop paying for the NHS, schools and social services as well. I don't go to school anymore so why should I pay for them? I'm not sick so why should I pay for hospitals that I don't use? Right I'm off to watch TOWIE and bitch about it on Facebook - fuck everything/everybody else

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Anyone who doubts the value of the BBC need only watch Turks and Caicos (it was on earlier) Pt 2 of the Johnny Worricker story).

Simply brilliant, even if it wasn't broken into 12 minute chunks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh to hell with it....let's stop paying for the NHS, schools and social services as well. I don't go to school anymore so why should I pay for them? I'm not sick so why should I pay for hospitals that I don't use? Right I'm off to watch TOWIE and bitch about it on Facebook - fuck everything/everybody else

Hardly the same is it. You can easily do without a television so subsequently the BBC would be pointless in your life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To compare an advert free entertainment medium to the NHS, schools and social services as a necessity is frankly ludicrous.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

"Anyone who doubts the value of the BBC need only watch Turks and Caicos (it was on earlier) Pt 2 of the Johnny Worricker story).

Simply brilliant, even if it wasn't broken into 12 minute chunks."

That's like saying if Tesco closed they'll be no more Cadbury cream eggs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah you dont need to pay a license for tv at all. You dont sign a contract or agree to so why pay.

The website states you can own a tv and watch dvds,catch up but not live but even thats rubbish, you can watch whatever you want.

Never heard of anyone being prosecuted for not paying."

Positive about this are we ?

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

To compare an advert free entertainment medium to the NHS, schools and social services as a necessity is frankly ludicrous."

Some people are so engrossed in tv they don't really know the real quality, value of life

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

Adverts, fuckin nuisance, it's not like theyre really funny anymore, they used to be good they are just drab crap now,,,,,,,long live the beeb,,,,,,,,solidarity brothers and sisters, peace, x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hear Hear, long live the Beeb and long may they keep wasting public money

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

I concur,,,,,,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"yeah you dont need to pay a license for tv at all. You dont sign a contract or agree to so why pay.

The website states you can own a tv and watch dvds,catch up but not live but even thats rubbish, you can watch whatever you want.

Never heard of anyone being prosecuted for not paying.

Positive about this are we ?"

Good old auntie Beeb, such a caring and thoughtful organisation.

The BBC was responsible for more than one in ten criminal prosecutions last year as the number of people taken to court for non payment of their television licence reached a new high.

More than 180,000 people – almost 3,500 a week – appeared before the Magistrates Courts, accused of watching television without a valid £145.50 licence.

The BBC has come under fire after official figures showed that 107 people had been jailed in just over two years for failing to paying fines for not having a TV licence.

The Ministry of Justice revealed the number of people who had been jailed from January 2011 to March 2013 for defaulting on fines for not paying for a TV licence after a Freedom of Information request by the Huffington Post UK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To compare an advert free entertainment medium to the NHS, schools and social services as a necessity is frankly ludicrous.

Some people are so engrossed in tv they don't really know the real quality, value of life"

Missing the point somewhat...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you want to pay for it pay for it.

Great value at 40p? Even better value at 80p than when half are liberated from paying for that do not watch.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Television viewers who fail to pay the licence fee face having their BBC channels blocked under plans considered by ministers, reports the Times. The move comes as MPs start to debate scaling down the offence to a civil matter."

From Saturday Times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""Television viewers who fail to pay the licence fee face having their BBC channels blocked under plans considered by ministers, reports the Times. The move comes as MPs start to debate scaling down the offence to a civil matter."

From Saturday Times."

Sounds good to me. Don't pay £145 and never see Eastenders again. Where do I sign up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just going to offer a perspective from across the pond. You could be a lot worse, and have to deal with the irish license system and rte.

A lot of the reasons I see here for nonpayment I share but for the Irish licence, and the government are trying to bring in a broadcast charge (cough tax cough) instead of a licence to cover all mediums not just TV. The worst part is, every household will have to pay even if they can't receive! So if you've no internet, no TV, no phone or radio you still gotta pay!

The brainwashing is already starting over here...ads on rte for the licence don't have a single TV in them ( laptops tablets and phones instead)

I too would like an opt-out for the Irish system

BUT

I would gladly pay towards the UK license fee as what you've got is a million times better than what we've got!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just going to offer a perspective from across the pond. You could be a lot worse, and have to deal with the irish license system and rte.

The brainwashing is already starting over here...ads on rte for the licence don't have a single TV in them ( laptops tablets and phones instead)

I too would like an opt-out for the Irish system

BUT

I would gladly pay towards the UK license fee as what you've got is a million times better than what we've got!"

How much is the charge going to be ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They say it won't be more than the current license (160 euro) but they also didn't say it would be less either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ive started paying my licence this year for the first time in a few years.

Living in a block of flats Ive kind of known if I don't let them in they can't prosecute - or at least thats what I wrongly found.

I pay £5.60 a week and think that is good value - I don't pay all year round.

I don't have sky or cable just a shitty digi box where at the moment only a few channels work"

we dont have a tv licence and they cant do us for it either lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally love the attempts at some big budget efforts by the bbc, to take on the likes of game of thrones etc...and they are all fucking SHIT

fucking embarrassment is what the BBC are in terms of creative programmes

atlantis being one of them....

oh, and I also think Dr who is utter pish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

England the only country that puts you away if you don't pay a tv station.. Until now

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By *plpxp2Couple
over a year ago

Middlesbrough

Watch the same programmes online a minute after broadcast and you don't need a TV licence, of course they are currently considering ways to beat this. The TV licence is so out of sync with the modern world, with on demand TV its hard to understand why we still watch what we are told to.

When you in another country you cannot watch BBC online, wonder if this will apply to Scotland if they vote yes?

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By *andACouple
over a year ago

glasgow

"England the only country that puts you away if you don't pay a tv station.. Until now "

Not the only one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I personally love the attempts at some big budget efforts by the bbc, to take on the likes of game of thrones etc...and they are all fucking SHIT

fucking embarrassment is what the BBC are in terms of creative programmes

atlantis being one of them....

oh, and I also think Dr who is utter pish"

I love you, couldn't agree more with you, they try so hard to copy these huge shows. Spooks trying so hard to be like 24, Atlantis as Game of Thrones (even remember on the news going on about how controversial it is with so many topless men) ha I remember when the BBC aired the first season of 24, wasnt long after Spooks started and 24 wasnt shown anymore.

Dr Who is the worst show I've ever seen, writing is terrible, effects even worse, acting is laughable.

Robin hood, merlin all terrible. Only decent thing the BBC ever did was Bottom, Only fools & Horses and Red Dwarf.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I personally love the attempts at some big budget efforts by the bbc, to take on the likes of game of thrones etc...and they are all fucking SHIT

fucking embarrassment is what the BBC are in terms of creative programmes

atlantis being one of them....

oh, and I also think Dr who is utter pish

Dr Who is the worst show I've ever seen, writing is terrible, effects even worse, acting is laughable.

Robin hood, merlin all terrible. Only decent thing the BBC ever did was Bottom, Only fools & Horses and Red Dwarf. "

still..I'd watch a zombieeastenders special

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone on the radio summed it up perfectly yesterday.

I don't remember their exact words but it was something to the effect of.....

"Imagine a country where you can be sent to prison for refusing to pay for something you don't watch.quite rightly people would be outraged. You currently live in that country"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always cringed when the BBC ran those propaganda ads stating "thanks to the unique way it is funded...." meaning "thanks to the fact that we have the public over a barrel..."

I don't disagree with the basic principals that if you want to watch something then pay for it, if you don't want to watch it then you shouldn't have to pay.

Time for the BBC to get off it's high horse, catch up with the technology and go Pay on Demand me thinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Someone on the radio summed it up perfectly yesterday.

I don't remember their exact words but it was something to the effect of.....

"Imagine a country where you can be sent to prison for refusing to pay for something you don't watch.quite rightly people would be outraged. You currently live in that country""
it's what I said but a bit better but dead on

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Someone on the radio summed it up perfectly yesterday.

I don't remember their exact words but it was something to the effect of.....

"Imagine a country where you can be sent to prison for refusing to pay for something you don't watch.quite rightly people would be outraged. You currently live in that country""

They SAY they don't watch it but in some (a lot?) of cases, they do.

Just like people who don't have motor insurance get pulled over every day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the beeb should get off there fat overpaid arses and advertise on there channels like every other broadcaster does.the licence fee is outdated "

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

These replies just amuse me.

So the argument is thus: you'd rather the choice to not pay £140 per year, but instead pay a MINIMUM of £255 a year for Sky (going on the package price quoted on their website for basic entertainment at £21.50pm, which includes all the free channels that the license fee help fund amongst others) instead?

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land. "

It's probably more that they just don't like being told what they HAVE to do, so the mount a mini personal revolution, even if doing so isn't in their best interests.

At least they can kid themselves they're a bit of an anarchist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mainly watch sport on TV and the BBC shows very little that I am interested in.Would sooner have the choice to pay or not through sky and Bt sport,rather than be forced to pay the BBC.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land. "
spot on

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I mainly watch sport on TV and the BBC shows very little that I am interested in.Would sooner have the choice to pay or not through sky and Bt sport,rather than be forced to pay the BBC."

I'm not a fan of some of what the BBC puts out but, as I've said before, Radio 4 alone is worth the licence fee.

In fact, the Shipping Forecast on its own is worth the licence fee.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land. spot on

This reminds me of a panel in a Calvin and hobbes cartoon the caption reads "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has bothered to contact us"

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By *an and wifeyCouple
over a year ago

n lincs

It should be pay on demand for those of us who don't want it instead of being forced to pay. Not only 3 or 4 channels to watch on tv now and so many are free. Still pay for other channels if you want them and if you don't you don't pay simples. This recession has made us make so many cut backs over the last 4/5 years which I would rather have kept and canceled my tv licence fee instead but scared of breaking the stupid law of being forced to pay for what we don't even watch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land. "

You really can't put your point of view across without being insulting can you? That just shows the mentality of a BBC addict. I also think it's quite crass of you to believe that everybody can afford £145 a year for something they can do without. Just because you think the Patagonian Nose Flute Hour on BBC Radio Blah is worth the money alone, to other people, especially financially struggling families, £145 can buy quite a few meals. As I've said before, there should be a choice. Why don't you just pay for your own, and a few other peoples' licences if you're so well off?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land.

Well said!!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

The BBC is a world leader in terms of broadcasting. It's programmes are bought by many other channels. It will be a sad loss if all we are left with are commercial channels. We will end up with the dross which is the major diet of a US audience where advertising takes up more time than the actual programmes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land. "

Humans are not dumb. They just like to have the right to choose now and again. Your going to have the right to choose in a few months. I'm thinking I might apply your logic should the Scots choose to leave the UK and go it alone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The BBC is a world leader in terms of broadcasting. It's programmes are bought by many other channels. It will be a sad loss if all we are left with are commercial channels. We will end up with the dross which is the major diet of a US audience where advertising takes up more time than the actual programmes. "

Dross rather succinctly describes the US tv audience.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land.

two points to make, firstly the poster didnt say they are well off, they made a comparison between the cost of the tv licence and the cost of a sky subscription.

secondly, anyone who is in the financial position you illustrate is free to make the choice of whether to have not only a tv licence but whether to have a tv at all.

If they cant do without something then you need to expect to meet the associated costs.

personally i think the bbc has become dysfunctional and requires a root and branch review, but it needs to be funded somehow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land.

two points to make, firstly the poster didnt say they are well off, they made a comparison between the cost of the tv licence and the cost of a sky subscription.

secondly, anyone who is in the financial position you illustrate is free to make the choice of whether to have not only a tv licence but whether to have a tv at all.

If they cant do without something then you need to expect to meet the associated costs.

personally i think the bbc has become dysfunctional and requires a root and branch review, but it needs to be funded somehow."

To be honest, I'm fed up with this subject - I just don't see why people are so willing to pay out money for an unnecessary entertainment channel when there is so much more in life to be entertained by, and many other good programmes commercial channels.

If the BBC goes, I will rejoice in the fact that I will have an extra £145 per year to do something else more constructive and enjoyable with, but I won't mourn the loss of such a trivial thing from my life.

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By *nnie2009Couple
over a year ago

Blackpool

ive got a tv license but wouldn't bother me not to watch the bbc channels and not pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These replies just amuse me.

So you're being forcibly beaten with a baseball bat. You'd like the choice of opting out of that as you don't like it and instead be beaten by a bigger baseball bat of your choosing?

Humans are dumb. No wonder the aliens fuck off just as soon as they land.

two points to make, firstly the poster didnt say they are well off, they made a comparison between the cost of the tv licence and the cost of a sky subscription.

secondly, anyone who is in the financial position you illustrate is free to make the choice of whether to have not only a tv licence but whether to have a tv at all.

If they cant do without something then you need to expect to meet the associated costs.

personally i think the bbc has become dysfunctional and requires a root and branch review, but it needs to be funded somehow.

dont be fooled by thinking that parliament (esp the treasury) woild allow such a lucrative cash cow disappear, they would simply move the goalposts.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs

So not only do I already choose to pay a subscription service to Virgin an I don't see why I should pay for the privilege of having a DEVICE in my home that allows me to watch live broadcasts.

The license is an outdated mode of collecting revenue and overpaying the people at the top.

The TV service doesn't even have HD for local stations!

Yes the do produce some excellent progs and I HATE adverts with a passion!

But they really do need to look for another method of funding and not criminalizing those who struggle to pay.

To be frank I'd be happy to loose a cpl of BBC stations (3 is going)and it's not as if is financially broke thanks to the likes of Top Gear which is the most sold TV Prog in.....the World! it's viewed in over 212 territories around the world from Ghana to Guatemala, Moldova to Myanmar.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You really can't put your point of view across without being insulting can you? That just shows the mentality of a BBC addict. "

And how easily insulted non-bbc viewers are. Must be the big words.

"I also think it's quite crass of you to believe that everybody can afford £145 a year for something they can do without. Just because you think the Patagonian Nose Flute Hour on BBC Radio Blah is worth the money alone, to other people, especially financially struggling families, £145 can buy quite a few meals. As I've said before, there should be a choice. Why don't you just pay for your own, and a few other peoples' licences if you're so well off?"

I think if you're in such dire financial straits that telly in general should be pretty fucking far down on your list of priorities for any income you do have. And I don't know where I said I was well off. Just that I can afford £140 a year. Is that the measure of a persons solvency now?

And scrapping the license fee is hardly going to help hard up telly watchers is it? I've already posted the basic cost of the only alternative and it's a lot more.

Sky is a commercial venture and as such would be a better target for any anger on the cost of viewing. They're already charging you again for the freeview channels. That's channels you've already paid to watch through the license fee. How many channels out of those others you recieve from them do you actually watch?

Probably a tiny amount. They have the facilities to monitor your viewing and block channels at will as anyone who's dared unplug the phone line from the sky box while under contract will know. Why not ask them if you can only pay for the channels you want then?

Because they'll tell you to fuck off, because any choice you think you might have with them is purely an illusion.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs

" I personally love the attempts at some big budget efforts by the bbc, to take on the likes of game of thrones etc...and they are all fucking SHIT

fucking embarrassment is what the BBC are in terms of creative programmes

atlantis being one of them....

oh, and I also think Dr who is utter pish

Dr Who is the worst show I've ever seen, writing is terrible, effects even worse, acting is laughable.

Robin hood, merlin all terrible. Only decent thing the BBC ever did was Bottom, Only fools & Horses and Red Dwarf. "

How dare you not include BLAKES 7!

or Morecambe and Wise...

oh and Rose colored spectacles!

Yes, the good old beeb does produce some fantastic work but it's now time for some adverts between the progs, sad to say..

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