FabSwingers.com forum: Was Clarkson being racist?

By *hyllyphylly OP Man
over a year ago

Bradford

According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I wouldn't have thought so...

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"I wouldn't have thought so..."

there was a lot more in the program that was a lot "closer to the edge" than that...

When they were talking about the drink "black cock"....I didn't stop laughing

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I wouldn't have thought so...

there was a lot more in the program that was a lot "closer to the edge" than that...

When they were talking about the drink "black cock"....I didn't stop laughing"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So you're not allowed to say slope because the Americans called the Vietnamese slopes (amongst other things) in the Vietnam War?

Jezza is not racist, he just makes fun of everything, but he doesn't bring outdated racist terminology into it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing. "

im sorry but that smacks of craziness to me...so saying when skiing...im off to hit the slopes now means im off to hit a person of asian decent??

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Yes, Clarkson says racist things as well as arrogant, egotistical and misogynistic things.

Possibly. Not in that specific comment though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing.

im sorry but that smacks of craziness to me...so saying when skiing...im off to hit the slopes now means im off to hit a person of asian decent??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only other time I have heard the term slope is when Christopher Walken is in monologue in Pulp fiction.

Not an often heard phrase....

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing. "

Probably do gooders overreacting. Even so, Clarkson does seem to thrive on being a grade A twat!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing.

Probably do gooders overreacting. Even so, Clarkson does seem to thrive on being a grade A twat!"

He needed a selling point. He's not good at much and that one comes easily to him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had never heard of that slur before.

I don't think he was being racist, if he was it is an outdated american term.

The bridge they built did have a slope, I am sure the left hand side (going in the direction they drove across) was higher than the right hand side in many sections of that bridge. So he was correct in that observation about the bridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing.

Probably do gooders overreacting. Even so, Clarkson does seem to thrive on being a grade A twat!"

It won't be. 'Do gooders' it will be the media trying to stir up a scandal when there wasn't one in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sticking on a page 'clarkson racist slur controversy' just sells more toilet paper...............oops I mean newspapers

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I didn't see it but it does sound rather ridiculous to infer that something with a downward side can't use the word slope.

I'm sloping off now.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I watched it but didnt know about the racial slur until reading this thread.

Well done to whatever newspaper has run with it, thats said with sarcasm as something which wasn't racial (imo) now potentially is.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

A bit bizarre. They could have made much more of the golden shower than the slope.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFS i saw the episode and it was not a racist slur in anyway , shape or fashion he was talking about the bridge end of !!

The media really piss me of when they do this is just stupid and ridiculous, regardless of what you think of Jezza.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"The only other time I have heard the term slope is when Christopher Walken is in monologue in Pulp fiction.

Not an often heard phrase...."

Bruce Dern to Jane Fonda in Coming Home too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

If people genuinely have complained about this, they really need to switch off the TV and take a stroll outside into the real world and get some sort of life!

Was this in the Daily Fail by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think that if it was a racist comment (which I'd find unforgivable!) then that would be a fairly subtle and sideways way to slip it in...

Clarkson may be a total prat - but I don't think that he'd even understand the word "subtle"..!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had no idea that slope was a racist term and in the context of what he said I can't see how it can be seen as such

Maybe I have blinkers on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Frankie Boyle summed political correctness up on Mock the Week.....

I quote " Political correctness just another phrase for spasticated gay talk "

Oh the irony lol !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes, Clarkson says racist things as well as arrogant, egotistical and misogynistic things.

Possibly. Not in that specific comment though."

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By *udistnorthantsMan
over a year ago

Desborough

So the Mirror is having a go against one of its main rivals' (the Sun) columnists

No surprise there then and it's not like a paper to let truth get in the way of a cheap smear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

There is ALWAYS going to be at least ONE word in the Language at any given time that is going to piss off at least one person at any given time in any part of the world at any given moment.

He should have used txt spk on twitter no one would have known.

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

Yes. And Hammond did shout "There's a slope on the bridge" in a strange tone.

However, being blissfully ignorant of the racist connotations of the word, we thought nothing of it. Now we've learned a new way to insult people

Streisland effect and all that.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

Storm in a tea cup though it wouldn't surprise me if Clarkson being Clarkson knew full well there was a potential double entendre there and used it more because he knew he probably shouldn't than with any racist motivation. He is a bit of a dinosaur and proud of it do I would suggest more likely to use an outdated term than a current one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clarkson is an arse. He wasn't being a racist arse on this occasion though, there was a clear incline to the bridge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Clarkson wasn't in the papers a few times a year, I'd be surprised.

As someone said, Clarkson thrives on this stuff. It gets people talking and buying papers.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"According to The Mirror, they's uproar over this comment....

"That is a proud moment - but there's a slope on it,", Clarkson said taking about the bridge.

Richard Hammond replied, indicating the bridge's surface: "You're right, it's definitely higher on that side."

According to "people", 'Slope' is a ethnic slur relating to the facial characteristics of those from and of east Asian and southeast Asian descent.

I think this is just do gooders making something out of nothing. "

I watched it and didn't notice anything racist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To much of the pc prigade to me . I though it was fantastic the building the bridge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Above all else does anyone believe for a second that a deliberate, offensive racists comment would have made it past the BBC editing suite?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So you're not allowed to say slope because the Americans called the Vietnamese slopes (amongst other things) in the Vietnam War?

Jezza is not racist, he just makes fun of everything, but he doesn't bring outdated racist terminology into it!"

well said ffs peopel will be too afraid to have a shit soon without fear it will offend some insecure person .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He also cut the roof off his truck, that's a dig at bald men.

He painted his truck white, that's racist.

He tipped his rocks out, that's having a go at people who can't afford rocks.

He tipped the crane over, that's a hint at animal cruelty.

The list goes on, lynch him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's not an outdated racist word, it's just not common in the U.K.

It's unfortunately all too common in Australia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No he wasnt....he probably didnt give it a second thought...

to many nitpickers about and im sure if we studied the english language, we would find we all come out with some words that would offend without even realising it....to those in moldovia...ubekistan etc etc............jeez !!!

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

I just watched it and I get the feeling he was fully cognisant of what he was saying and the punchline from Hammond was only necessary in order to steer things back on course. Racist? I don't think so. But close to the bone which is standard Clarkson territory really.

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By *bbandflowCouple
over a year ago

South Devon

Far more offensive is the front of Jeremy Clarkson's jeans...chicken legs resulting in that revolting lack of tightness..and in direct contrast to his coal bucket head..yuk.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

thats why most people like him he dont give a fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many people give a fuck about things that don't semantically matter.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

So it seems yes

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

So it seems yes"

Was there actually, as in FACT?

I watched it and don't remember there being so or at least what the camera showed. At the point it looked as if all the locals who had helped had done there job and were out of the way as it would be.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

So it seems yes

Was there actually, as in FACT?

According to the picture on the Express website yes, unless the pic isn't connected and they just put it on the page

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/465528/Top-Gear-fans-accuse-Jeremy-Clarkson-of-casual-racism-during-Thai-series-finale

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

So it seems yes

Was there actually, as in FACT?

According to the picture on the Express website yes, unless the pic isn't connected and they just put it on the page

Ahhh, wasnt aware of a picture. That possibly changes everything including my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I thought he was making a political comment referring to the communist dictatorship in one country and potential revolution in the other.

Damn PC brigade can't even be outraged at the right slur these days

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

IN - ON

I think if he had changed just one letter so the word ON becomes IN then he could'nt of been accused.

I remember seeing it and thinking 'OMG look at the slope' but I didnt even know it had a racist meaning.

Im still saying not guilty though even if I am wrong and nieve. Its not proven guilty so still innocent.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

i think some people just theive on taking offence !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To much of the pc prigade to me . I though it was fantastic the building the bridge"

Is there actually a brigade of PCers ?

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol

*thrive even

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top gear is the best staged comedy on TV at the moment. No I don't know or care if he was being racist. Like it was said before. the black cock thing was very funny and risque. but no a slope is a slope in this English language and the mirror/sun rivalry on top of the fact T G is so popular just gets sad but fun gits like us talking.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"They're building a handmade bridge ffs! Of course its never going to be even sided!

Was there a man or woman of a specific ethnic persuasion standing on the bridge when the comment was made?

So it seems yes

Was there actually, as in FACT?

According to the picture on the Express website yes, unless the pic isn't connected and they just put it on the page

Ahhh, wasnt aware of a picture. That possibly changes everything including my opinion."

I watched it last night on iplayer and never noticed anyone on the bridge. Will have to take another look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seems to me they were well aware of what they were saying and that it would cause a bit of upset. Its too set up these days! But there always some sort of scandal after each top gear episode lol

They must just sit and wait for all the complaints afterwards and fob off everyone as they get away with it all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just watched a clip of that part of the show and there is an Asian person on the bridge when he makes the comment "but there is a slope on it". As much as I dislike Clarkson I wouldn't have picked up on that word as being snidely used in a racist way. If it was it was very subtle, and as someone said earlier Clarkson doesn't generally do subtle.

Just for the benefit of people that don't recognise slope as a racist name for someone with eyes with the epicanthic fold it is in fact a very coomon name in other countries and on a par with the worst ones used for different races in the U.K. (of which I'm not going to give examples).

Clarkson is not a stupid man and is very well travelled and will definitely know the word can have a racist meaning, but it also is a valid word for describing the slant (could also be racist a word) on the bridge. On he will really know what he meant so it's a pointless argument.

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By *hyllyphylly OP Man
over a year ago

Bradford

Just had a look on iplayer and there is someone on the bridge when he made the comment.

Can't determine the nationality though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Above all else does anyone believe for a second that a deliberate, offensive racists comment would have made it past the BBC editing suite?"

The BBC is one of the most left wing politically correct organisations out there. I would be amazed if they let a racist term through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Above all else does anyone believe for a second that a deliberate, offensive racists comment would have made it past the BBC editing suite?

The BBC is one of the most left wing politically correct organisations out there. I would be amazed if they let a racist term through.

My point exactly. Clarkson isn't an idiot, he's been doing this for decades and knows exactly what he van and can't say on television. He almost certainly wouldn't have used a derogatory word to describe the person on the bridge and if he did the censors at the BBC Ethnic Peacekeeping Department would have cut it.

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By *randmrsminxyCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

its a dark day when you cant say anything with out the racist card coming out . . omg am I a racist now . always tried to be whiter than white . shit I have done it again

And I even attacked gays my saying coming out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet the DVD sales are even better now everyone's taking about it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No he wasnt, mind you anything you say now is rascist, even saying ham probably lol.

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By *bfoxxxMan
over a year ago

Crete or LANCASTER

What crap. If I go skiing...

it's on a slope.

Fact.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"What crap. If I go skiing...

it's on a slope.

Fact."

Yes but I'm assuming there is no possible alternative meaning in that instance. It us not conceivable that there is someone of oriental origin that you might plan to ski down.

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

No.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

I didn't notice the reference when it aired, but on several re- _iews of the scene, I'd have to conclude it was deliberate.

Firstly, why shoot he scene when a random "native" has popped out of nowhere, just wait until he's crossed.

Secondly, study the stature and gait of the "native" - it looks more like a westerner - I'd wager it was one of the crew dressed up.

Thirdly, Hamster points to the lower side and says it's higher.

Slope is a well known and frequently used derogatory term for east asians with slanty eyes. You can hear Walken use it in Pulp fiction and I'm sure it would be in some or all of films such as Deer Hunter, Good Morning Vietnam, Apocalypse Now. I've certainly been aware of the term since my youth (a while ago now).

Having said all that, I don't think they are racist, just irreverent. Clarkson likes to play the pompous bombastic non PC buffoon and he does it well.

I would even suspect that they may have alerted the press to it to get some column inches, knowing full well it would provoke debate, but also knowing that nothing could be proven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like Clarkson and Top Gear, but having watched the programme knowing how the phrase can be interpreted, I would have to say that they knew exactly what they were doing and they should be disappointed with themselves. It wasn't even subtle, it was blatant racism dressed up to look smart and clever which it wasn't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Top Gear is pretty much scripted. They could have easily shot that scene without the person being on the bridge.

So therefore I definitely do think there is a case for it being a bad taste joke.

It's kind of their thing what with offending most people at some time or another.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Clarkson is always putting his foot in it but that's him bloody funny guy he should have a talk show. Clarkson for PM

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By *he_tykiesCouple
over a year ago

West Yorkshire.

Why anybody would want to waste their money buying garbage such as the mirror or any newspaper for that matter. All utter drivvle.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"Top Gear is pretty much scripted. They could have easily shot that scene without the person being on the bridge.

So therefore I definitely do think there is a case for it being a bad taste joke.

It's kind of their thing what with offending most people at some time or another. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who cares anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"who cares anyway"

Well I guess you either care about racism or you don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What crap. If I go skiing...

it's on a slope.

Fact."

Does that also apply to thaibogganing?

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"who cares anyway

Well I guess you either care about racism or you don't."

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares if he did or didn't?

Nothing better to do but inadvertently fuel some PC "race" issue?

Love the guy, wish there were more of his type instead of all the pathetic weak spineless apologists we are surrounded by now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares if he did or didn't?

Nothing better to do but inadvertently fuel some PC "race" issue?

Love the guy, wish there were more of his type instead of all the pathetic weak spineless apologists we are surrounded by now."

So racism is ok then, glad we got that established.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If im honest i think Clarkson is an opinionated twat, but he's no idiot.

In everything he does tv, newspaper columns etc, he slips in thinly (very thinly in some cases) veiled references which he knows will create a stir.

Why ? Because he understands the value of attracting the attention of the public who want to see and hear whats going to be next from him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I watched a very small exert..they converse how beautiful the bridge is..as a man walks towards them..

big twats says to little twat "only one thing wrong with it, theres a slope on it"

small pause

little twat says "that side is higher"

to be honest..it wouldnt surprise me IF he meant it as a racial slur...in a high brow racist manner

I dont jump to everything thats un-PC, but sometimes u can see intent behind words

He would make 'jokes' about scots,german or amish people..basically because he is very 'english'

like most entertainers/comedians..I cant be fucked with them anyway, especially if they aim to shock(in ways that may actually 'hurt' people..like ur frankie boyles etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Watch something like gran torino then its gooks and zipper heads galore! Lol

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By *himanMan
over a year ago

chichester

Top gear is bloody funny everyone take a chill pill

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Top gear is bloody funny everyone take a chill pill

is it? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How pissed off must he have been to find out that he is Scottish not English (kind of)

It seems that his home town, Doncaster was ceded to Scotland as part of the treaty of Durham in 1136 as part of a peace deal, and has never been revoked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Methinks that people REALLY need to get a life,It is a very successful television show about cars no more and no less

Gas Guzzler

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Clarkson IS racist, no doubt about it. He is accepted and liekd for his personality and sense of humour but his sense of humour invariably make somebody the butt of the joke.

We can choose to find him marginally amusing or not as the case may be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He is far more an asshole than a racist or anything else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh no "RACISM"!!!!!

It's the end as we know it, people are "offended".

Pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh no "RACISM"!!!!!

It's the end as we know it, people are "offended".

Pathetic."

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Oh no "RACISM"!!!!!

It's the end as we know it, people are "offended".

Pathetic."

You don't have to be offended to know whether something is wrong. Knowing something is wrong and saying so doesn't make you pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have never heard the term 'slope' before, and when I watched the programme and they were talking about 'a slope' I was thinking there was a joke there that I wasn't getting.

So yes, I think they were trying to be funny (and failing)

Like someone else send on here, clarkson enjoys playing up to his public persona, sometimes its funny, and sometimes it isn't.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

"Oh no "RACISM"!!!!!

It's the end as we know it, people are "offended".

Pathetic."

Some things are just wrong and shouldn't be simply accepted "because they happen" or ignored because some don't see the big deal.

If this was intentional, it was unacceptable behaviour.

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By *aro7Man
over a year ago

wickford

Gives a rats arse,,,,,,,,,not even remotely important,,,,,,,,,

. Top hole what what, x

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