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"My gym coach would train and diet 24/7 when she was prepping for a big competition. But... Once a week she would treat herself to a family sized portion of sorbet... She came second in the Schwarzenegger... "Yeah I love hearing about other people's successes when I'm struggling to stay on track. Cheers mate lol | |||
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"Just have a packet if crisps The energy required to go to the kitchen to get them Then to open them Then the eating Then putting the packet in the bin Well it's a work out in itself " Oh trust me, fat week consisted of more than a packet of crisps  but I guess the hard work in the gym has been some damage limitation! | |||
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"you look lovely ... muscle weighs more than fat anyway x" 1kg of muscle weighs the same as 1kg of fat
Muscle is more dense than fat. | |||
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"you look lovely ... muscle weighs more than fat anyway x" A lb of fat weighs the same as a lb of muscle, muscle is just denser. Thanks for the compliment though  | |||
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"you look lovely ... muscle weighs more than fat anyway x 1kg of muscle weighs the same as 1kg of fat
Muscle is more dense than fat."Great minds x | |||
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"you look lovely ... muscle weighs more than fat anyway x 1kg of muscle weighs the same as 1kg of fat
Muscle is more dense than fat."Sadly, I am no longer dense...  | |||
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"Oh sod.....I'm not a gym goer anymore. It's difficult to have myself a protein rich diet when it's not me that cooks either. I am trying though. " Yeah that's partly the problem, living with someone who is always bulking - argh! | |||
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"Everyones allowed off the wagon now and then but at least youve hit the gym but u didnt need to you look stunning x " Thank you, but not going to achieve my goal of sexy lean muscle at 65kg by the end of the year if I keep cheating in such an epic manner lol. | |||
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"No because if it fits in your macros then you can eat it ! But sometimes you have to shock the body otherwise it won't grow even with food every now and then x" Yeah the IIFYM isn't for me. And I agree that now and again a cheat meal is good for you, but not fecking 10 days of it lol | |||
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"No because if it fits in your macros then you can eat it ! But sometimes you have to shock the body otherwise it won't grow even with food every now and then x" Plus I don't want my body to grow, I want to strip fat to show off my lush muscles! | |||
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"No because if it fits in your macros then you can eat it ! But sometimes you have to shock the body otherwise it won't grow even with food every now and then x Plus I don't want my body to grow, I want to strip fat to show off my lush muscles!" Have you heard of a lady who goes by the name of "chickentuna" on the web? Google should turn her up easily enough. | |||
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"No because if it fits in your macros then you can eat it ! But sometimes you have to shock the body otherwise it won't grow even with food every now and then x Plus I don't want my body to grow, I want to strip fat to show off my lush muscles! Have you heard of a lady who goes by the name of "chickentuna" on the web? Google should turn her up easily enough." I'll have a look x | |||
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem?" Yes doing lots of cardio creates a calorie deficit but I am also technically an "athlete" so need to keep my strength, and lifting weights will keep my body burning fat much longer than cardio. And I need to meet my protein requirements and I can't reasonably do that with McDonald's and cake | |||
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem?" Disagree. | |||
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"Have you ever had a cheat meal that turned into a cheat week?! I've just had what was affectionately dubbed "fat week" although was more like 10 days. I'm usually strict paleo in a bid to lose some chub. I train bloody hard 4 times a week but as we know the gym is 20% and diet is 80%. I spent last year focusing on building strength for a strongwoman competition and now I want to drop a few weight classes and I am sabotaging myself left right and centre lol. Argh! I totally thought I was going to have to start from the beginning again after "fat week" but luckily only 2lb on. Here's to being back on the wagon " | |||
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem? Disagree." You don't need to agree. It's a scientific fact. | |||
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem? Yes doing lots of cardio creates a calorie deficit but I am also technically an "athlete" so need to keep my strength, and lifting weights will keep my body burning fat much longer than cardio. And I need to meet my protein requirements and I can't reasonably do that with McDonald's and cake "You can't control how your body fills the deficit either. With appropriate diet you can utilise metabolic pathways designed to strip fat. Generations of competition bodybuilders can't be wrong
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem? Disagree. You don't need to agree. It's a scientific fact. " No, it's not. | |||
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"If you are just looking to strip fat then just do plenty of cardio and eat what you want. As long as you know your going to be working it off what's the problem? Yes doing lots of cardio creates a calorie deficit but I am also technically an "athlete" so need to keep my strength, and lifting weights will keep my body burning fat much longer than cardio. And I need to meet my protein requirements and I can't reasonably do that with McDonald's and cake
You can't control how your body fills the deficit either.
With appropriate diet you can utilise metabolic pathways designed to strip fat. Generations of competition bodybuilders can't be wrong
Low body fat, unless you're just genetically lucky, is nearly all diet."Indeed it is, and I am certainly not lucky lol. | |||
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so keep that chin up girl and get the eye of the tiger back!!!
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"Joined the gym last year someone said it will make you feel better in yourself then I found out you have to actually turn up to lose the weight put me right off it "The gym really isn't my problem, I love the gym, I love training and I work hard, but yeah, I didn't magically get fat... I got fat by eating the wrong things and lots of it. Worst part is I actually love eating healthy food, I just sometimes lose the plot and go off the rails lol. | |||
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"Everyones allowed off the wagon now and then but at least youve hit the gym but u didnt need to you look stunning x Thank you, but not going to achieve my goal of sexy lean muscle at 65kg by the end of the year if I keep cheating in such an epic manner lol." pity your so far away we could help each other. stick at it | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. " I also said I was a strongwoman. Stripping fat to drop a weight class. It isn't as simple as a basic calorie deficit. | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. I also said I was a strongwoman. Stripping fat to drop a weight class. It isn't as simple as a basic calorie deficit." You can still use cardio to burn off excess calories and maintain lean muscle by weight training. It's what boxers do to build stamina while staying strong, you just need to tailor it to suit you. | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. " It's you that doesn't understand the principles here, not me. If cardio and a calorie deficit is the best way to drop fat, why don't bodybuilders use that approach when cutting? A calorie deficit drops weight, yes. It's not the most efficient way to drop fat. Dropping fat efficiently and keeping body fat low, again, is largely diet dependant. | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. I also said I was a strongwoman. Stripping fat to drop a weight class. It isn't as simple as a basic calorie deficit. You can still use cardio to burn off excess calories and maintain lean muscle by weight training. It's what boxers do to build stamina while staying strong, you just need to tailor it to suit you. " Boxing is entirely different to what I do, and I'm actually missing the point where I asked for training advice? It was a post about going off the rails diet wise and now being back on the wagon  | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. It's you that doesn't understand the principles here, not me. If cardio and a calorie deficit is the best way to drop fat, why don't bodybuilders use that approach when cutting? A calorie deficit drops weight, yes. It's not the most efficient way to drop fat. Dropping fat efficiently and keeping body fat low, again, is largely diet dependant." Because cardio also removes muscle as well as fat. If you are a body builder you don't want to lose muscle, if you aren't then it's the best way to lose weight. Jeez | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. It's you that doesn't understand the principles here, not me. If cardio and a calorie deficit is the best way to drop fat, why don't bodybuilders use that approach when cutting? A calorie deficit drops weight, yes. It's not the most efficient way to drop fat. Dropping fat efficiently and keeping body fat low, again, is largely diet dependant. Because cardio also removes muscle as well as fat. If you are a body builder you don't want to lose muscle, if you aren't then it's the best way to lose weight. Jeez" And as a strongwoman what is it I don't want to lose?! That's right!! Muscle!! Dude. Abs are built in the kitchen, I can train to my hearts content but without the right fuel for my body I'm achieving nothing. | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. It's you that doesn't understand the principles here, not me. If cardio and a calorie deficit is the best way to drop fat, why don't bodybuilders use that approach when cutting? A calorie deficit drops weight, yes. It's not the most efficient way to drop fat. Dropping fat efficiently and keeping body fat low, again, is largely diet dependant. Because cardio also removes muscle as well as fat. If you are a body builder you don't want to lose muscle, if you aren't then it's the best way to lose weight. Jeez" And the OP is a bodybuilder, yes? Who doesn't want to lose muscle, yes? So why the feck are you recommending a crap filled diet and cardio? Why are you talking about running and boxing? They are different animals entirely! Crap diet and cardio is not the best way for the OP to achieve her goal! | |||
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"I do know bodybuilders. You get the real ones, the ones that make it their lives (because you have to) and you get the fat guys that go and work on their chest and arms and have overhang. They like to call themselves that because they can't run, haven't done a sit up and are constantly in a bulking phase.They aren't body builders. It is a scientific fact that if you burn off 800 calories and are eating 2500 you end up with 1700. Sticking to a regime like that leads to weight loss. I wasn't being rude intentionally, I just couldn't be bothered wasting my time arguing with someone who clearly doesn't understand basic fitness principles. I wasn't talking about building muscle, cutting or maintaining strength, the poster said they wanted to strip fat, for that I would use cardio. Making sure if I had a McDonalds, I ran extra to make up for it. It's you that doesn't understand the principles here, not me. If cardio and a calorie deficit is the best way to drop fat, why don't bodybuilders use that approach when cutting? A calorie deficit drops weight, yes. It's not the most efficient way to drop fat. Dropping fat efficiently and keeping body fat low, again, is largely diet dependant. Because cardio also removes muscle as well as fat. If you are a body builder you don't want to lose muscle, if you aren't then it's the best way to lose weight. Jeez" We are not talking about losing weight. We're talking about losing fat without losing lean tissue. The human body has a metabolic pathway designed to do exactly that. Oddly enough it's the one bodybuilders use to drop fat without burning lean tissue. It depends almost entirely on the correct diet! | |||
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"I'm having pizza tonight. Full on bells and whistles cheeseburger crust pizza. I'm currently training to run a half marathon by October, my pt says I can afford to go madonce in a while. So I am dubbing today "new ink and pizza day"." Enjoy!  | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT "I don't run unless I'm carrying something heavy. | |||
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"I'm having pizza tonight. Full on bells and whistles cheeseburger crust pizza. I'm currently training to run a half marathon by October, my pt says I can afford to go madonce in a while. So I am dubbing today "new ink and pizza day"." I'm sure your PT would be mortified at my fat week as much as mine was lol. A chest meal is definitely a good thing, but not a cheat week haha | |||
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"I'm having pizza tonight. Full on bells and whistles cheeseburger crust pizza. I'm currently training to run a half marathon by October, my pt says I can afford to go madonce in a while. So I am dubbing today "new ink and pizza day"." | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT "*sigh* Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet. The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone. I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding. There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants! Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories. | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT
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Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet.
The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone.
I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding.
There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants!
Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories."I think you missed where I apologised for not reading her post properly. You carry on doing your routine and I'll carry on doing mine. | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT
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Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet.
The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone.
I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding.
There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants!
Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories.
I think you missed where I apologised for not reading her post properly. You carry on doing your routine and I'll carry on doing mine. "I didn't miss it. Nor did I miss the part where you still insisted having a burger and going for a run works. For you, yes. Not everyone is you or wants the same results you want. It's great you have a routine that works for you. Insisting it's what everyone should do, and people know nothing about the science involved when they point out why that's bad advice, is just a tad egotistical. I also think it's irresponsible to encourage the notion that people can eat whatever they like as long as they do some cardio. | |||
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When my back improves I will reproach myself cut calories AND run, ride my MTB and flap about with weights.
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT
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Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet.
The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone.
I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding.
There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants!
Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories.
I think you missed where I apologised for not reading her post properly. You carry on doing your routine and I'll carry on doing mine.
I didn't miss it. Nor did I miss the part where you still insisted having a burger and going for a run works. For you, yes. Not everyone is you or wants the same results you want.
It's great you have a routine that works for you. Insisting it's what everyone should do, and people know nothing about the science involved when they point out why that's bad advice, is just a tad egotistical.
I also think it's irresponsible to encourage the notion that people can eat whatever they like as long as they do some cardio."I'm not going to argue. I stick by what I said. Now if you don't mind I'm off for a run to McDonald's | |||
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"Have you ever had a cheat meal that turned into a cheat week?! I've just had what was affectionately dubbed "fat week" although was more like 10 days. I'm usually strict paleo in a bid to lose some chub. I train bloody hard 4 times a week but as we know the gym is 20% and diet is 80%." I agree with that for weight loss, but when it comes to gaining strength and muscle, I see the gym as being vastly more important than diet. | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT
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Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet.
The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone.
I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding.
There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants!
Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories.
I think you missed where I apologised for not reading her post properly. You carry on doing your routine and I'll carry on doing mine.
I didn't miss it. Nor did I miss the part where you still insisted having a burger and going for a run works. For you, yes. Not everyone is you or wants the same results you want.
It's great you have a routine that works for you. Insisting it's what everyone should do, and people know nothing about the science involved when they point out why that's bad advice, is just a tad egotistical.
I also think it's irresponsible to encourage the notion that people can eat whatever they like as long as they do some cardio.
I'm not going to argue. I stick by what I said. Now if you don't mind I'm off for a run to McDonald's "You stick by what you said, which was that you didn't read the thread properly and gave inappropriate advice. Sounds about right. Nothing to argue about. | |||
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"I missed the original posters comment on being a strong woman, my bad. I thought you meant you wanted to strip fat in general hence my post. Hope your weight loss goes well. Have a burger and go for a run. It works. FACT
*sigh*
Reaching and maintaining a low body fat is largely on diet.
The OP isn't a runner. She's a strongwoman looking to drop fat to show muscle tone.
I expect, therefore, she'll continue doing that the most efficient way, the odd slip notwithstanding.
There would be no sense at all following the method which scientifically doesn't suit her needs but which works for you, to achieve something completely different to what she wants!
Even basic regular run-of-the-mill weight loss is largely diet dependant. Exercise is great for cv fitness and bone density and all but alone it just doesn't burn that many calories."It does if you do it at a great intensity, or the likes of Steve Redgrave wouldn't need to consume over 6000 calories whilst in training for his rowing event. | |||
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