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Could full employment ever be achieved again in Britain

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By *aravancouple OP   Man
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

Is there any possibility that Britain could reach the levels of employment as a % of the population reached in the 50s and 60s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a cat in hells chance.

Not everyone can flick burgers,as there are not enough places to employ everyone.

Manufacturing as a bulk employer is a thing of the past.

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By *edangel_2013Woman
over a year ago

southend

In the 50's and 60's women weren't generally in employment. So technically the amount of people in employment is higher now then it was then.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"In the 50's and 60's women weren't generally in employment. So technically the amount of people in employment is higher now then it was then. "

Women have always worked.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"In the 50's and 60's women weren't generally in employment. So technically the amount of people in employment is higher now then it was then.

Women have always worked."

Just didn't always get paid for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven

Never it will probably get worse, especially with automation.

Saying that with figures the government keep manipulating to fix their agenda. No one knows or will know the TRUE figures.

Does that count people on workfare

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "
yes every one should earn their money! it would get them back into the working routine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. "

There are a lot of people that can't work.But there's a huge amount of people that could . They need sorting out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. "
not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "

Sure ...... but before that happens give me all my contributions back that I have pain toward unemployment benefit ..

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go"
there are hundreds of reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a gothere are hundreds of reasons"
I would say excuses more than reasons! most could manage a few hours a week of doing something appropriate that would contribute!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. "

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

We've never had full employment, just different ways of counting what is and isn't gainful employment. With zero hour contracts and part-time jobs becoming a norm the figures look like there are more employed people yet the in-work poverty and claimant rates are also increasing.

When teenagers still at school can get a Saturday job again without competing against shift workers and the unemployed then we will be back to as full an employment rate as we can achieve.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

Get the people who think it's a joke to have a job to get a job, they won't be moaning then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go"

Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a gothere are hundreds of reasons I would say excuses more than reasons! most could manage a few hours a week of doing something appropriate that would contribute!"

They would still be getting in-work benefits as we pay out more to those working and those sponging retired people than we do to the unemployed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "

Some already do..in order to 'keep' their benefits...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go

Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others. "

It's just a shame that the false claimants make it harder for the deserving people

Ones that say, I'm to fat to work really make my blood boil

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back."

What about those providing care to someone? They will appear in the stats as unemployed not giving anything but are saving the state thousands.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands."

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

What about those providing care to someone? They will appear in the stats as unemployed not giving anything but are saving the state thousands.

"

don't we just

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I went to a lecture last year, where the speaker stated that the technological revolution is destroying jobs in Europe wide. Companies that previously made large scale redundancies are recovering with the aid of new technologies and processes. They are not re-employing the old work force

So full employment is probably a thing of the past..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i work part time, my money wasn't enough so managed to pick up a second, full time job easily enough starting monday. literally just had a phone call offering me a days work tommorrow and i start a new contract full time in may so will be giving up my current jobs.

job market seems pretty damn healthy to me...just my experience of it is all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people"

Because the British don't want many of the jobs, a friend of mine, a farmer can't get local British people to work for him. Not for the want of trying.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people"

Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people

Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them.

"

It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets not talk about what the government and everyone else should or could be doing...we need to roll our collective sleeves up, get our hands dirty and do some work. it's honestly not that difficult if your not a job snob...just accept you may not get the perfect job you always wanted and get on with it. nose to the grindstone and all that =)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "

If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back."

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


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It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on"

and by wages a lot of them would be "minimum wage"....

they are prepared to do a lot of the jobs that some think are "beneath" them... too hard!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage?

"

Why? They either go out and get a job themselves or they get assigned a job and claim benefits. It will cost to find someone suitable employment so it's in their best interests to do it for themselves and get paid more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. "

It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

If there is a need for that work to be done surely it is only correct that those doing it are paid a fair wage?

"

it is was me... I'd be radical... pay them the minimum wage up to the amount they get at the moment...

it would be somewhere around 10-11 hrs per week... but at least they would do something for the money... community service

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people

Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them.

It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on"

No, the foreigners still need to eat, pay for transport and pay rent. Many British think the jobs are beneath them and when forced to do them do them badly. I believe people should be paid a fair living wage as a minimum but I have employed enough work placements and worked with enough young Brits to have a sense of their unrealistic job expectations. I just don't buy the foreigners take our jobs/undercut our salaries argument as a reason for unemployment.

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people

Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them.

"

After going to school, college, university I do expect a lot of jobs to be beneath them.

most jobs are handed to them and are hidden jobs.

With immigration at a high with also automative jobs,

there will be less choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go"

how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them.

It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later"

So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go

how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!!"
as a tax payer in general its my business

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them.

It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later

So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale? "

You made a contribution in 1980 for the year of 1980. You didn't make it so that it covered you for a year in 2014. Of course the system is there to help people in need but the argument that you paid in for 40 years so are in someway entitled to claim on that basis isn't valid. If you said to your boss, I've worked for you for 25 years so I'm not working this year you'd be out on your ear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go

how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!! as a tax payer in general its my business"
its my business to know ass a tax payer what is deemed as unfit to work these days ! its none of my business to know personal circumstances i'm talking in general what is deemed a disability these days as the list seems to grow every few months

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them.

It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later

So why after almost 40 years of paying into the system wouldn't I claim? it was contributed to by people such as myself for claimants such as myself, when in need, no matter the time scale?

You made a contribution in 1980 for the year of 1980. You didn't make it so that it covered you for a year in 2014. Of course the system is there to help people in need but the argument that you paid in for 40 years so are in someway entitled to claim on that basis isn't valid. If you said to your boss, I've worked for you for 25 years so I'm not working this year you'd be out on your ear."

What I mean is in those near 40 years others have reaped the benefits of my contributions so why shouldn't I be entitled to claim from those who pay into the system now? It's not like a pension scheme, it's more a pay it forward.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that. not able for what reasons? just curious here not having a go

how is this your business really? ??? Wtf!!! as a tax payer in general its my business"

no!!!! As a tax payer as well this person's circumstances aren't my business nor is it yours. Paying tax doesn't give us that right as a tax payer paying into nhs why don't you send me the results of your latest medical scan wether smear or prostate probe? ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't read the thread so apologies if this has been said but there was an article about Iceland which suggested that letting their banks default has lead them to have 3% unemployment and under 2% is more than achievable.

I forget the specifics but you could always google it if interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "
Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem with making the unemployed pick litter etc.

Is that the litter pickers that work for local councils etc. would then become unemployed.

People need to realise that with no manufacturing,you get a shortage of jobs.

77% of the UKs gdp is now in the service sector.

If the government of the 80s got things right,then job shortage was inevitable.

Manufacturing is now mostly automated so a few can now produce what used to take thousands.

That's just an example, to start with they could nationalise our infrastructure (energy/rail/telecoms) and then use people to fill the unskilled jobs. Why are we sub contracting cleaning contracts in our hospitals and using foreign workers when we have a shed load of unemployed British people

Britain chose to bring in educated foreigners to do the dirty jobs in the 50s and since then British people seem to think those jobs are beneath them.

It's a vicious circle, lots of British people can't work for the wages some of the foreigners are getting and so it goes on

No, the foreigners still need to eat, pay for transport and pay rent. Many British think the jobs are beneath them and when forced to do them do them badly. I believe people should be paid a fair living wage as a minimum but I have employed enough work placements and worked with enough young Brits to have a sense of their unrealistic job expectations. I just don't buy the foreigners take our jobs/undercut our salaries argument as a reason for unemployment.

"

Maybe for jobs like fast food or cleaning our kids seem to think it's beneath them. But in the building trade the foreign works are working for a lot less than we possibly could.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Haven't read the thread so apologies if this has been said but there was an article about Iceland which suggested that letting their banks default has lead them to have 3% unemployment and under 2% is more than achievable.

I forget the specifics but you could always google it if interested."

I heard something about that on R4 too. They sort of just started again with a clean slate. The world didn't collapse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?"

No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"Haven't read the thread so apologies if this has been said but there was an article about Iceland which suggested that letting their banks default has lead them to have 3% unemployment and under 2% is more than achievable.

I forget the specifics but you could always google it if interested.

I heard something about that on R4 too. They sort of just started again with a clean slate. The world didn't collapse.

"

They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though.

Hot to go things properly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there are more people than jobs so no chance

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull


"Is there any possibility that Britain could reach the levels of employment as a % of the population reached in the 50s and 60s."

not in my lifetime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is there any possibility that Britain could reach the levels of employment as a % of the population reached in the 50s and 60s."

Silly question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though.

Hot to go things properly"

Yes please, I'd vote for this.

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By *aravancouple OP   Man
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love


"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though.

Hot to go things properly

Yes please, I'd vote for this."

I'd vote for this as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?

No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself "

Genius idea. Then we can add all the now unemployed road sweepers and highways maintenance folk onto the dole and make them do the same job for a fraction of the wage

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By *extoysareusCouple
over a year ago

kinky heaven


"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though.

got to do things properly

Yes please, I'd vote for this.

I'd vote for this as well "

Wasn't a vote, it was people power.

With the UK, people are too divided for it to work

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"They did sack all the politicians and jailed the bankers and wrote their own constitution too though.

got to do things properly

Yes please, I'd vote for this.

I'd vote for this as well

Wasn't a vote, it was people power.

With the UK, people are too divided for it to work"

Too apathetic to be properly divided.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them. "

Yes, funny how quickly that is forgotten as soon as someone claims benefit. All of a sudden it becomes "free money" that should require a contribution. Never mind that it's actually supposed to be an insurance policy, paid for by tax and NI over however many years.

There is a big difference between never having worked and claiming benefits and claiming because you need to from a system you contributed to when you were working.

I'm so tired of hearing how all benefit claimants are lazy scum who don't want to work and should "give something back" for being kept in the lap of luxury (apparently) at the "expense of the hard-working tax payer".

Don't believe everything the government and the media tell you.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Don't believe everything THIS government and the media tell you.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

I'm sure everyone can be good at something regardless of disability, illness etc

If people are going to get support from the state they should give something back.

Many people have worked most of their life paying into that same state that now supports them.

It's not a pension scheme. You pay for now, you don't pay now to get it back later"

National Insurance. The clue is in the name.

Some money is for services which you use now. Some is for services you might need, like the NHS, the welfare system and, if you live long enough, a pension.

Pensions actually come out of the welfare budget and that bill is by faaaaaaaaaar the largest to come from that budget.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Don't believe everything THIS government and the media tell you."

Just this government?

They all lie and spin the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pleased it is a topic that people have opinion on. The answer? Firstly, vite for your councillor mp euro mp. Secondly, follow up that they are doing what their mandate was when you voted. It's hard work but the good life is hard work.

There will never be 100% employment however we can increase the percentage of wealth in the country. Dont let the appointed people get lazy.

Rant over!

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By *uby0000Woman
over a year ago

hertfordshire

my hubby should have retired at 65 he will be 70 in july cant afford to stop but is he robbing someone of his job?

a lot of older people are still working past retirement age

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

Increasing the age at which people can receive state pension is likely to push up unemployment stats.

The population is getting older, the government can't afford the pension bill so obviously the sensible thing to do is to make people work for longer. Except that without creating more jobs, that's going to lead to more people who "should be working" being out of work.

If they are too young to retire and can't get a job? Oh look, more people on benefits!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"my hubby should have retired at 65 he will be 70 in july cant afford to stop but is he robbing someone of his job?

a lot of older people are still working past retirement age"

I was typing my post as you posted this.

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk

By the way... we're ALL tax payers.

People on benefits pay VAT and fuel duty, and are liable for many other taxes and duties too. They'd also pay income tax, if their income was high enough!

All this "as a tax payer, I have a right..." bollocks is, well, bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government yes every one should earn their money! it would get them back into the working routine"

Lest we forget some people on benefits have worked all their lives to pay into the system, to then have to claim from it. So you're asking them to work twice for their money?

No system is flawless. Shop the benefit cheats and leave the people who really need/ deserve or are entitled to them alone to do so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, as too much industry has now gone abroad!

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By *uicylucy76Woman
over a year ago

thornton cleveleys

I have always worked except for when Ive had my two children... I will go back to work when I feel they are ready to go to nursery. Yes I am on benefits and yes the taxpayer is paying for me whilst off work, but you never know what's round the corner, when I'm back at work someone else will be on benefits needing support.

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By *reelove1969Couple
over a year ago

bristol


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, "

fantastic attitude ..i am a 42 year old woman who has worked my whole life until 14 month ago when i was ran over by an uninsured driver ( in full time employment ) i had serious back injuries and lost the use of my right arm ...i had to pay for all my medical care as the nhs waiting list was too long and i would have lost my arm permanently ..i was able to claim JSA for 6 months but since last july i havent had a penny as my 'boyfriend' should support me according to the job centre ..buti should be litter picking ...dear god ..i hope you never hit hard times !!

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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in North Norfolk


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking,

fantastic attitude ..i am a 42 year old woman who has worked my whole life until 14 month ago when i was ran over by an uninsured driver ( in full time employment ) i had serious back injuries and lost the use of my right arm ...i had to pay for all my medical care as the nhs waiting list was too long and i would have lost my arm permanently ..i was able to claim JSA for 6 months but since last july i havent had a penny as my 'boyfriend' should support me according to the job centre ..buti should be litter picking ...dear god ..i hope you never hit hard times !!"

Obviously you should be giving something back to society for the fantastic assistance you've received. Apparently.

That's the trouble with people who blindly believe government rhetoric and media bullshit, they don't have half a clue what the situation actually is, in the real world.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Nigerian stampede as people scramble to the death to take the test that means getting a chance of a job.

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By *drianukMan
over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

There's no reason whatsoever why not. It will take big change for us to do so. We can't have full employment while we are on the path we are on now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple answer NO

For a start, population grows, there will never be enough jobs.

Secondly anyone who says why dont you get the benefits people to work for it, litter picking etc. Seriously, there are some already doing that as jobs anyway so you'd need to sack them and then get the jobless to do it as it would equal less than min wage so those employers save a lot of money.

They tried a similar scheme at places like Poundland, they sacked loads of their min wage staff and just had people working for their benefits cuz its far less than min wage.

Plus if there working for their benefits, why not make it an actual job, so they arent on benefits and being paid.

Biggest issue for benefits its if your on min wage job or even slightly above, you still get paid more on benefits, so why work 37+ hours a week to earn less than someone who does nothing but go sign a form a every 2weeks.

I'm just above min wage job, i pay all my bills, i skip a few meals a week, i never go out, i never have takeouts, no internet, tv, no holidays, no car, cant buy my nephews or any family bday/xmas presents, im using 250mb data net on my phone a month for £5, i cant save money, i have nothing for emergencies, yet i would be better off not working and claiming benefits. How is that fair? Get a better job people say, i've tried, i spent 10+yrs in higher education which added up to nothing cuz everywhere chooses experience over qualifications these days, nowhere is willing to start you off with the experience either esp when theyd prefer to have some 16yr old come in and start from the bottom, than someone older, then jobs i end up in, supervisors seems to always be the ones who never bothered with higher education, yet they're my supervisors being paid way more than me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?

No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself "
In the depths of this recession? Fortunately Slave Labour is still illegal

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Immaterial for me now as I start my new job on Monday............

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Unfortunately some of us are on benefits because we are not able to work, so it's not as clear cut as that.

Illness, disability, mental health issues just off the top of my head. Me I have cancer and fibromyalgia neither of them curable and can be very debilitating on some days less so on others. "

that would be why you don't count towards the unemployment statistics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government "

But make sure they are getting paid NMW for the work....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would really love to get up every morning to go to work, I applied for 5 jobs today alone (even those I have little chance of getting) 5 jobs in a day is actually quite a lot for the area I live in.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Just make people who claim benefits work for their money by litter picking, maintenance etc. Technically they would be employed by the government Thats fine, I can expect to get a full wage, can't I?

No you can expect to get your benefits. If you want to get paid you can find a job for yourself In the depths of this recession? Fortunately Slave Labour is still illegal"

That doesn't mean its not still happening.

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