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"What about the purples?..... I want someone to laugh at "Um.. I wasn't sure if it would fit in the title and still be displayed .. Purples too then... Who's a Purple? (silly colour for a political party anyway, I mean, who'd vote for a grape?)  | |||
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" For a number of the people on here, how we vote will make no difference whatsoever. If i wanted to vote Labour where i live (which i dont but arguements sake i did), the Conservatives have such a safe seat, it would make no difference. It would be the same for someone who wanted to vote Conservative in a safe Labour seat - a waste of time. Unless they change the voting system, thousands of people's votes will be be wasted." I have the same dilemma up here in Gateshead where Labour won in 2005 with 61% of the vote, Libdems on 21%, Tories on 10%... My instincts are telling me to vote Blue but they haven't made much headway up here and I fear that would take a vote away from the Libdems and return the Labour guy. But... I didn't realise that there are two elections up here, Local and Parliamentary, so now I've decided to keep with my original plan to vote Blue for the Gen Election and Yellow for the Locals. My over-riding desire is to see Brown turfed out on his arse and this is my way of helping that to happen. | |||
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" My over-riding desire is to see Brown turfed out on his arse and this is my way of helping that to happen." why not vote ellow in both counts then at least the red gonna be on the back foot til the last vote counted ?? | |||
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"Well after long and considered advice from wishy he has defiantly persuaded me to vote for Nick Clegg. It was the garlic bread comment that did it for me! "Huh? Garlic bread? Wha???? Diff'rent bloke mate, wa'nt me??? Cleggy was educated in a £28,000 a term private school in Westminster and is a true blue blood (he is descended from Russian aristocracy and can trace his roots back to William the Conqueror, Edward I and Charlemagne. He is also descended from Johann V, Count of Nassau-Dillenburg which links him to David Cameron as a 16th cousin). Man, he's more royal the the Queen!! ..and he's gonna turn his back on the toffs is he? hehehe | |||
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"Well after long and considered advice from wishy he has defiantly persuaded me to vote for Nick Clegg. It was the garlic bread comment that did it for me!
Huh? Garlic bread? Wha???? Diff'rent bloke mate, wa'nt me???
Cleggy was educated in a £28,000 a term private school in Westminster and is a true blue blood (he is descended from Russian aristocracy and can trace his roots back to William the Conqueror, Edward I and Charlemagne. He is also descended from Johann V, Count of Nassau-Dillenburg which links him to David Cameron as a 16th cousin).
Man, he's more royal the the Queen!!
..and he's gonna turn his back on the toffs is he? hehehe "Bloody hell i hope not! | |||
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"Well after long and considered advice from wishy he has defiantly persuaded me to vote for Nick Clegg. It was the garlic bread comment that did it for me!
Huh? Garlic bread? Wha???? Diff'rent bloke mate, wa'nt me???
Cleggy was educated in a £28,000 a term private school in Westminster and is a true blue blood (he is descended from Russian aristocracy and can trace his roots back to William the Conqueror, Edward I and Charlemagne. He is also descended from Johann V, Count of Nassau-Dillenburg which links him to David Cameron as a 16th cousin).
Man, he's more royal the the Queen!!
..and he's gonna turn his back on the toffs is he? hehehe
Bloody hell i hope not! "Yup. Herrs Cameron and Clegg are gonna do what Hitler failed to do - take over the United Kingdon and run it as a family enterprise. No wonder Cam the Man has been so nice to Nick the ... oops - nearly.. hehehe | |||
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" I have the same dilemma up here in Gateshead where Labour won in 2005 with 61% of the vote, Libdems on 21%, Tories on 10%... My instincts are telling me to vote Blue but they haven't made much headway up here and I fear that would take a vote away from the Libdems and return the Labour guy. But... I didn't realise that there are two elections up here, Local and Parliamentary, so now I've decided to keep with my original plan to vote Blue for the Gen Election and Yellow for the Locals. My over-riding desire is to see Brown turfed out on his arse and this is my way of helping that to happen. "I didn't know we shared the same consituancy.... I thought you lived the other side of the river!!!! anyway I think I have decided who I am voting for..... I think unless something really major happens I am going to vote Lib Dem..... Clegg just continues to impress me, his speech at the RCN conference today impressed me a lot, not so much labour..... and cameron does nothing for me... is such a shame we live in such a labour stronghold.... maybe that why voting reform would be brilliant, but the tories are so against it!! | |||
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" I have the same dilemma up here in Gateshead where Labour won in 2005 with 61% of the vote, Libdems on 21%, Tories on 10%... My instincts are telling me to vote Blue but they haven't made much headway up here and I fear that would take a vote away from the Libdems and return the Labour guy. But... I didn't realise that there are two elections up here, Local and Parliamentary, so now I've decided to keep with my original plan to vote Blue for the Gen Election and Yellow for the Locals. My over-riding desire is to see Brown turfed out on his arse and this is my way of helping that to happen.
I didn't know we shared the same consituancy.... I thought you lived the other side of the river!!!!
anyway I think I have decided who I am voting for..... I think unless something really major happens I am going to vote Lib Dem..... Clegg just continues to impress me, his speech at the RCN conference today impressed me a lot, not so much labour..... and cameron does nothing for me...
is such a shame we live in such a labour stronghold.... maybe that why voting reform would be brilliant, but the tories are so against it!!"with you 100% on that. The guy seems to have something extra. It would be interesting to see how much he could do with some influence. | |||
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" I didn't know we shared the same consituancy.... I thought you lived the other side of the river!!!!" We live in the same ward as you. | |||
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"You are not voting for Nick Clegg, we don't have a presidential system! (Well unless you live in Sheffield) You are voting for whomever your local lib dem maybe, so perhaps you should find out more about their record and plans locally as well as about the party at a national level.;-) I will still be voting Labour. Always have and always will, until a better alternative comes along, and that will never be the lib dems or tories." Agreed on that we don't have a presidential system yet. | |||
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"You are not voting for Nick Clegg, we don't have a presidential system! (Well unless you live in Sheffield) You are voting for whomever your local lib dem maybe, so perhaps you should find out more about their record and plans locally as well as about the party at a national level.;-) I will still be voting Labour. Always have and always will, until a better alternative comes along, and that will never be the lib dems or tories." Come on Sass, you know full well that people follow the leaders in a Gen Election, not their local candidate. One young man said, after the last debate, "Nick Clegg has done more in 90 minutes on television than in 5 years in parliament." Now THAT's scarey. All the main parties have pushed their leaders to the fore in this election. I have seen Osbourne once on TV, Cable a few times more and I don't even know who is Dep. PM for Labour. We've not had a single knock on the door from ANY candidate here in Gateshead, just a few leaflets. The local candidate only gets known if the big guns are in town on the campaign trail so it's no big surprise that we look at the leaders of the main parties and cast our votes accordingly. | |||
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"I have just had a thought here! What if in all the excitement of voting you forgot to vote in your area wishy??? And shock horror the labor candidate got in by one vote! " Postal ballot papers arrived today, are all filled out and ready to send back by tomorrow's mail. There is no fookin way I'm not getting a vote matey!!
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"I have just had a thought here! What if in all the excitement of voting you forgot to vote in your area wishy??? And shock horror the labor candidate got in by one vote!
Postal ballot papers arrived today, are all filled out and ready to send back by tomorrow's mail. There is no fookin way I'm not getting a vote matey!!
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"I have just had a thought here! What if in all the excitement of voting you forgot to vote in your area wishy??? And shock horror the labor candidate got in by one vote!
Postal ballot papers arrived today, are all filled out and ready to send back by tomorrow's mail. There is no fookin way I'm not getting a vote matey!!
They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!!!!!!
What happens if the postie is a mail thief! "Bugger. Didn't think of that. We'll deliver them to the polling station on the day, which kinda negates the reason for having postal votes but Siren applied for them while I was still working away but now I'm off till June but it was too late to change it. | |||
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"I have just had a thought here! What if in all the excitement of voting you forgot to vote in your area wishy??? And shock horror the labor candidate got in by one vote!
Postal ballot papers arrived today, are all filled out and ready to send back by tomorrow's mail. There is no fookin way I'm not getting a vote matey!!
They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!!!!!!
What happens if the postie is a mail thief!
Bugger. Didn't think of that. We'll deliver them to the polling station on the day, which kinda negates the reason for having postal votes but Siren applied for them while I was still working away but now I'm off till June but it was too late to change it."Bet she changes your vote before you stick it down Or you might post an EMPTY envelope! *Gasps* | |||
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"Brown has but inherited an awful global crash put in place by Maggie and Reagan. " Brown was Chancellor of the Exchequer and should havwe reigned the banks in when he saw how reckless they were being. HE ADMITTED THAT HIMSELF ONLY LAST WEEK. As for Thatcher & Reagan: what planet are you from cos it sure isn't this one. Do you not watch the news? Only today executives from Goldman Sachs are on the stand at an inquiry in the U.S. defending accusations of causing the global crash by selling toxic debt. Your post trotted out comments long held as mantra by Labour hardliners and it sounds so out of date now. | |||
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"Brown has but inherited an awful global crash put in place by Maggie and Reagan. Brown was Chancellor of the Exchequer and should havwe reigned the banks in when he saw how reckless they were being. HE ADMITTED THAT HIMSELF ONLY LAST WEEK. As for Thatcher & Reagan: what planet are you from cos it sure isn't this one. Do you not watch the news? Only today executives from Goldman Sachs are on the stand at an inquiry in the U.S. defending accusations of causing the global crash by selling toxic debt. Your post trotted out comments long held as mantra by Labour hardliners and it sounds so out of date now." i think the point was that Thatcher and Reagan started the deregulation of finance and industry that was finished by Major and Bush Sn. the fact that Blair and Brown had to promise not to undo that deregulation in 97 seems to have slipped your memory in your rush to reelect the Tories who are ultimately responsible for planting the seeds of this latest crash. the real shame is that even though the world in general credit Brown for forcing international action to control and reverse the financial crises caused by the yank banks here he gets no credit for that as most here seem to think that its his fault that we are not recovering as quickly as other countries. Again what they forget is that it was the Tories who closed down our industry and turned us into a financial and service economy! God help us all if "call me dave" gets power! | |||
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"It seems remarkable to me that all the political leaders of the world are asking for praise for getting us out of a recession that they caused in the first place. Remeber Brown/Blair's promise to end the cycle of Boom & Bust? They forgot one minor little principle - nothing can perpertually rise and nothing can perpetually fall. Have you read The Madness of Crowds and The Tipping Point? Two excellent books that explain the cycles of boom & bust and their inevitability, one follows the other like the tick follows tock. The real skill is maximising during a boom and minimising during a bust - something Brown forgot all about as Chancellor when he sold off billions of £ worth of our gold reserves when gold was at one of it's lowest prices ever. Any householder will know the economics of saving for a rainy day but with Labour the piggy bank is empty, there's nothing there and they're getting us deeper in hock as each day passes. I'm not spewing Tory propoganda here, the figures are widely available and have been spoke about endlessly over the last few weeks, all they're doing now, all of them, is saying, "Elect us cos we'll get us further in debt the least." But it's because of Brown's policy of spend spend spend that we're in this position, he's tried to spend his way out of the recession and we're all going to have to pay for that. I prefer the Tories approach of prudence and cuts, as I know that when money is tight in this household the luxuries have to go." What rot! We are in this particular mess because numerous US financial institutions knowingly sold worthless bundled mortgages to the rest of the world. That is called fraud or gaining a pecuniary advantage by deception if you or I do it! As for breaking the cycle of boom and bust, we had 11 years without that that cycle and even now we still have relatively low inflation, I bet that if your precious Tories get in within a year they will take back the power to set interest rates from the Bank of England and do away with the inflation limits. then they will raise the MLR as a way to raise extra finance dumping us back into the boom bust inflationary cycle! Hope you will be able to afford 10%+ mortgage interest payments, and have a good bike so you can do lots of peddling down south looking for work!  | |||
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"It really is incredulous that Labour supporters have managed to convince themselves that Brown & Blair can do no wrong. Labour isn't trailing in the polls for nothing, and you have to go way back to find a sitting government THIRD in the pre-election polls. THIRD! That's how much the majority of the electorate believe Brown and Blair to be at fault for the state the country is in. Take your red coloured glasses off and see the situation for how it really is. Not from the perspective of 20 years ago but today. All I know is that we only have one more week of Calamity Brown and his capers and then we can get down to the real work of rebuilding this country under a Conservative Government (although I concede that it will probably be a hung parliament but Cam the Man will win the second election a few months later with a landslide majority) - and I for one will never again be tempted by the promises of the Labour Party, as I was when I voted for Blair in 1997." Well the propaganda of the right wing press, and the PC neutering of the BBC has done its job with you. no doubt it has done the same job with enough of the country to ensure you get your wish and the government you desire, and god help us all by the time you and those like you wake up to just how "call me dave" is going to "fix" Briton it will be too late! | |||
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"Well the propaganda of the right wing press, and the PC neutering of the BBC has done its job with you. no doubt it has done the same job with enough of the country to ensure you get your wish and the government you desire, and god help us all by the time you and those like you wake up to just how "call me dave" is going to "fix" Briton it will be too late!" That's the whole crux of the matter though. I feel we're living the 'god help us all' experience right now, and have been for the last five years. I'm quite happy to admit that when Labour won in 1997 there was a feelgood factor in the UK after 18 years of Tory rule, but all of those weren't bad years, just the last few, as it is now. The country needs a change, governments become stale and complacent if they are in power for too long. When Major lost to Blair the Tories were awash with sleaze and corruption, I haven't forgotten that, but so are Labour now and it's offset all the good that Labour have done, and it's simply time for a change. | |||
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"Gotta be conscientious on this one and not get accused of Tory bias (they're gonna win anyway hehehe) so... Who's Green?? " Cameron for PM lol xx | |||
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"Gotta be conscientious on this one and not get accused of Tory bias (they're gonna win anyway hehehe) so... Who's Green?? "I'm green....but I think the shellfish was off | |||
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"Interesting interview on Sky News this morning with two widows of soldiers killed in Afghanistan bravely serving their country.... Under Tory plans for Married persons benefiting with tax breaks these widows will lose out financially. How lovely these Tories are" ah the one that works out £300 a year?? well i bet thats got everyone runnin to book the churches...........  xx | |||
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"well the local tory candidate for one of the wards around here has just been given the welly for calling gay people unnatural!! " Which is why he was expelled from the party and rightly so. A Labour candidate was also expelled from his party for using Twitter to propogate his racist views on his children marrying Muslims. Which is a bit silly really cos a Muslim family wouldn't allow THEIR children to marry HIS so his Tweet was a pointless and futile exercise. Silly boy. | |||
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"well the local tory candidate for one of the wards around here has just been given the welly for calling gay people unnatural!! Which is why he was expelled from the party and rightly so. A Labour candidate was also expelled from his party for using Twitter to propogate his racist views on his children marrying Muslims. Which is a bit silly really cos a Muslim family wouldn't allow THEIR children to marry HIS so his Tweet was a pointless and futile exercise. Silly boy. "Muslims marry non Muslims all the time | |||
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"Interesting interview on Sky News this morning with two widows of soldiers killed in Afghanistan bravely serving their country.... Under Tory plans for Married persons benefiting with tax breaks these widows will lose out financially. How lovely these Tories are" That's really twisting things and you know it! Widows of personnel killed whilst serving are well looked after with widows pensions and many other benefits. Cameron has vowed to restore the Military Covenant the UK has with it's armed forces that Labour have consistently whittled away at during their term in office. That was a cheap shot. | |||
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"well the local tory candidate for one of the wards around here has just been given the welly for calling gay people unnatural!! Which is why he was expelled from the party and rightly so. A Labour candidate was also expelled from his party for using Twitter to propogate his racist views on his children marrying Muslims. Which is a bit silly really cos a Muslim family wouldn't allow THEIR children to marry HIS so his Tweet was a pointless and futile exercise. Silly boy.
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"Ooops - I think Gordon Brown has just cost Labour the election when he was caught off camera calling a 66y/o widow he had just spoken to a 'bigotted woman'. The woman is a lifelong Labour voter. Silly boy. "I wonder what she said to cause that reaction? bet we don't hear until after the election! and then we will all be saying "he was right" | |||
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"Have you heard one single person being allowed to randomly question him about Fox Hunting?...Inheritance Tax breaks for the wealthy?....The scrapping of Child Tax Credits?....Pensioners Winter Fuel Allowance?" Cameron was cornered by the father of a handicapped child only yesterday... but he didn't call him names off camera did he?.. In fact, he had much compassion for the guy considering his own son was severely handicapped and died from it. Gordy the Gaffe is finished. He's blown it with one week to go and I do genuinely feel sorry for Labour campaigners and voters who must now feel that their horse has been nobbled before the race has even started. | |||
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"Think you’ve always been blue wishy, labour has let us down in the past couple of years with bad choices, but how can you shout you’ll never vote red again, when you’re screaming blue, I’m all for change but you must have a short memory because whether you want to admit it or not blue has done far more damage to Great Britain in the last 20 years than labour has. " Of those 20 years, Labour have been in power for 13 of them. The damage was done by Labour after they swept to power in 97. They did ok for a few years but they lost it about five years ago by my reckoning and the only reason they won the 2005 election is because the Libdems were a bunch of wet blankets, like they are now, and the Tories didn't have Cam the Man in charge until AFTER the election. I voted for Blair in 97, I believed him and I trusted him. He proved to be a consumate liar (Ref. Iraq) and my trust was broken completely by Gordy the Gaffe stabbing him in the back like a thief in the night. At least when Thatcher was ousted she was in the early stages of going do-lally and the Tories knew she had to go. | |||
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"Have you heard one single person being allowed to randomly question him about Fox Hunting?...Inheritance Tax breaks for the wealthy?....The scrapping of Child Tax Credits?....Pensioners Winter Fuel Allowance? Cameron was cornered by the father of a handicapped child only yesterday... but he didn't call him names off camera did he?.. In fact, he had much compassion for the guy considering his own son was severely handicapped and died from it. Gordy the Gaffe is finished. He's blown it with one week to go and I do genuinely feel sorry for Labour campaigners and voters who must now feel that their horse has been nobbled before the race has even started." But not enough compassion to commit to turning away from his plans to allow public money to be taken away from the funding of schools for the disabled, and given to middle class parents who fancy a nice new little silver spoon school in their cosy Surrey village?. Not enough compassion for the widows of men who have fallen in Afghanistan to scrap his plans to reintroduce the Married Persons Tax Allowance and leave widows out of pocket? That much compassion? | |||
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"Have you heard one single person being allowed to randomly question him about Fox Hunting?...Inheritance Tax breaks for the wealthy?....The scrapping of Child Tax Credits?....Pensioners Winter Fuel Allowance? Cameron was cornered by the father of a handicapped child only yesterday... but he didn't call him names off camera did he?.. In fact, he had much compassion for the guy considering his own son was severely handicapped and died from it. Gordy the Gaffe is finished. He's blown it with one week to go and I do genuinely feel sorry for Labour campaigners and voters who must now feel that their horse has been nobbled before the race has even started. But not enough compassion to commit to turning away from his plans to allow public money to be taken away from the funding of schools for the disabled, and given to middle class parents who fancy a nice new little silver spoon school in their cosy Surrey village?. Not enough compassion for the widows of men who have fallen in Afghanistan to scrap his plans to reintroduce the Married Persons Tax Allowance and leave widows out of pocket? That much compassion?" Do you work for Gordy the Gaffe by any chance? You wanna get in touch with Labour Fallout Damage Control pronto if labour want any chance of saving this election.... but I suspect Gordy the Gaffe has totally scuppered it now. Sorry, it's between cousins Clegg & Cameron now. It's a family affair you know hehehe | |||
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"You’re trying to brainwash us, personally I’m looking at the good they’ve done as well as the bad, according to you, its all bad, I’ve made an informed decision on all, and not just judging them on the last two years. By all means vote blue, but you’re raving like a lifelong pro blue and taking everyone’s comments/opinions personally. Ban politics from the forums "There are plenty of Labour supporters on here who have voiced their views vociferously. Am I not allowed that same opportunity? Allow me my moment of mirth and merriment, it's not often you see a Prime Minister hand the Opposition the Election on a plate like old Gordy the Gaffe has just done hehehe | |||
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"Wishy you are a typical 'Fair Weather' voter, if the Tories win the election you will be in love with them for a couple of years until they introduce Bills of Parliament that don't benefit 'Chez Wishy'. When their policies may affect your family financially you will be back on here calling for a change of government. Thatcher left a legacy of 'I'm alright Jacks' in the UK and you Wishy are a perfect example....One of Thatchers children alright, walk over anybody and everybody as long as you are alright. Until that is things don't go right for you and yours.....what then Wishy?, Liberal Democrats?, Greens?" Nail Head . If the policy is wrong and the leader is a twat, he don't get my vote whoever it is. I look at all the main parties in an election and vote for the one I think offers me and my family the best deal. I don't follow a party simply because me old grandad used to as he lived in different times. Anyone who mindlessly votes the same way every single time is an uneducated fool. | |||
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"According to you Wishy you were a Thatcher supporter....then you worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 90's.... then you voted for Blair in 1997.... then you became a Tory again. And you call others 'uneducated fools'? You will be a Liberal Democrat by the next election again, it's like the seasons changing...." A little over dramatic there aren’t you? People change, parties change and politics change. I like many in the UK change stance based upon the party’s leaders and manifestos along with how they are perceived. I think its rather small minded as he failed to use the words uneducated fools in either. It would be a little like me calling you bitter and twisted without having a scrap of evidence to substantiate my claims! | |||
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"According to you Wishy you were a Thatcher supporter....then you worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 90's.... then you voted for Blair in 1997.... then you became a Tory again. And you call others 'uneducated fools'? You will be a Liberal Democrat by the next election again, it's like the seasons changing.... A little over dramatic there aren’t you? People change, parties change and politics change. I like many in the UK change stance based upon the party’s leaders and manifestos along with how they are perceived. I think its rather small minded as he failed to use the words uneducated fools in either. It would be a little like me calling you bitter and twisted without having a scrap of evidence to substantiate my claims! " Excuse me he did use the term 'uneducated fool' in his post, I was quoting him. | |||
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"I think there might be a few less labour voters now, considering Gordon Brown's latest incident. Its never a good idea to call a voter bigoted on a live mike ..." best political open mike blooper has to be ronnie reagan .... something along the lines of.... "My fellow Americans, I've just signed legislation outlawing Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." classic | |||
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If a PM is ousted, replaced or has to resign through ill health etc then I think there must be a Gen Election as I don't think the PM should be PM without having faced the electorate to get it. I know some people argue it's not about the leader but the reality of it is, that it is really. If it wasn't the Gordy the Gaffe's stupid comment today wouldn't have much impact. I guess we won't know the real damage until the polls come out later or tomorrow. | |||
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"The biggest fear amongst the Labour party old school at the moment is that if Brown loses the election he will make way for another 'grey' (Blair/Cameron/Clegg) like Miliband. If there is a hung parliament (Lib Lab) Brown will be forced to resign within 3 months or the support of the Lib Dems will evaporate, the Lib Dems would prefer a Miliband rather than Alan Johnson which would strengthen the call for future leaders of all three parties to be a 'grey'. When we've had a hung parliament it's usually been swiftly followed by another election as the parties just can't work together, they've proven that before. Who will win a 2nd Election? Not sure, certainly not Brown so there will be a change of Leader there I think. Clegg? hmmm.. inexperienced is my initial thought on him. Will he battle it out with the Euro heavyweights or Obama? I hope so. Cameron.. he can cut it at the world table, no doubt about that, but the association with the rich will always haunt the Tories. He has to dismantle that and prove to the people he has their interests at heart. Who do we give it to? " give it to snoggy | |||
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"To be fair the run up to the '97 election and Blairs subsequent win was equally guarded, he got the same protection as Cameron is now. He would annoy the old school Labour MP's like Skinner and Benn because of his refusal to talk randomly and unrehearsed with the public. I think the Tories have modelled Cameron on Blair in a lot of ways, it worked in '97 and they hope it will work again in '10. I have said before that Brown is an own goal by the Labour party, he was far from the popular choice of Labour party members but he was imposed upon them. There are many old guard Tories who will see Cameron in the same way, there will be payback to this old guard if the Tories win on May 6th...and it will be at the expence of mainstream education, the NHS, and the poor. But at least it won't be any surprise!" except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! Maybe he has a spare £30,000 to £50,000+uniform and extras to send each of his childern to a good school, and another £10,000+ to cover private health care. Bet he hasnt! LoL | |||
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"According to you Wishy you were a Thatcher supporter....then you worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 90's.... then you voted for Blair in 1997.... then you became a Tory again. And you call others 'uneducated fools'? You will be a Liberal Democrat by the next election again, it's like the seasons changing.... A little over dramatic there aren’t you? People change, parties change and politics change. I like many in the UK change stance based upon the party’s leaders and manifestos along with how they are perceived. I think its rather small minded as he failed to use the words uneducated fools in either. It would be a little like me calling you bitter and twisted without having a scrap of evidence to substantiate my claims! Excuse me he did use the term 'uneducated fool' in his post, I was quoting him. Where! I don't see it in this post at all! Are we dreaming somewhat? "Anyone who mindlessly votes the same way every single time is an uneducated fool.".....There you go " Are you telling us you cannot substantiate your mythical quote? Do i see an apology forthcoming???" scroll up she already quoted the qoute?? too many quotes here even am gettin confused!!x | |||
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"except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts!" All three parties have acknowledged that there has to be drastic cuts to address our mountain of debt. Why are you making out it's just the Tories? If they are guilty of anything it's having the guts to reduce the debt by the most amount more sooner. Labour will have to cut services if they win, which cuts would you rather see then? .. Sorry, Gordy the Gaffe prefers to use the phrase 'taken out', he never says 'cuts' .. "we'll take out biwyons from ... etc" you must have heard him. He never says 'cuts'. But I bet I know one woman he'd like 'taken out' after today's fiasco hehehe | |||
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"except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! All three parties have acknowledged that there has to be drastic cuts to address our mountain of debt. Why are you making out it's just the Tories? If they are guilty of anything it's having the guts to reduce the debt by the most amount more sooner. Labour will have to cut services if they win, which cuts would you rather see then? .. Sorry, Gordy the Gaffe prefers to use the phrase 'taken out', he never says 'cuts' .. "we'll take out biwyons from ... etc" you must have heard him. He never says 'cuts'. But I bet I know one woman he'd like 'taken out' after today's fiasco hehehe "Just seen it wishy and thought it was actually rather funny, only thing I’ve learned is that 66 year olds can never be bigots or called one | |||
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"To be fair the run up to the '97 election and Blairs subsequent win was equally guarded, he got the same protection as Cameron is now. He would annoy the old school Labour MP's like Skinner and Benn because of his refusal to talk randomly and unrehearsed with the public. I think the Tories have modelled Cameron on Blair in a lot of ways, it worked in '97 and they hope it will work again in '10. I have said before that Brown is an own goal by the Labour party, he was far from the popular choice of Labour party members but he was imposed upon them. There are many old guard Tories who will see Cameron in the same way, there will be payback to this old guard if the Tories win on May 6th...and it will be at the expence of mainstream education, the NHS, and the poor. But at least it won't be any surprise! except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! Maybe he has a spare £30,000 to £50,000+uniform and extras to send each of his childern to a good school, and another £10,000+ to cover private health care. Bet he hasnt! LoL
The national debt will be the same for all. Be it red, blue or yellow they will all have to make cuts. The Tories have only disclosed 18% of proposed cuts to labour's 13%. I really don't think anyone will be left untouched by the reigning in on spending. I am at a loss though why the Tories getting in will mean anyone will have to fork out £50k on private education though. Maybe you could explain how this will be the outcome of a governmental change."because as per it will be the education budget that gets a whack out it, so schools be forced into so called performance targets, the decent teachers will leave so you will be left with the school with sub standard building, facilities and teachers and the posh scheme up the road from you will get funding from the government to set their own school up which will have a higher standard of everythin so if you want a decent education for your child you better find 50k to pay for it because under the tories the working class kids wont have a chance in hell except the odd wee bursary placement that they will need to offer to keep it ahem fair!! x | |||
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"except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! All three parties have acknowledged that there has to be drastic cuts to address our mountain of debt. Why are you making out it's just the Tories? If they are guilty of anything it's having the guts to reduce the debt by the most amount more sooner. Labour will have to cut services if they win, which cuts would you rather see then? .. Sorry, Gordy the Gaffe prefers to use the phrase 'taken out', he never says 'cuts' .. "we'll take out biwyons from ... etc" you must have heard him. He never says 'cuts'. But I bet I know one woman he'd like 'taken out' after today's fiasco hehehe
Just seen it wishy and thought it was actually rather funny, only thing I’ve learned is that 66 year olds can never be bigots or called one "i thought a bigot was somethin to do with religious views??? xx | |||
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"To be fair the run up to the '97 election and Blairs subsequent win was equally guarded, he got the same protection as Cameron is now. He would annoy the old school Labour MP's like Skinner and Benn because of his refusal to talk randomly and unrehearsed with the public. I think the Tories have modelled Cameron on Blair in a lot of ways, it worked in '97 and they hope it will work again in '10. I have said before that Brown is an own goal by the Labour party, he was far from the popular choice of Labour party members but he was imposed upon them. There are many old guard Tories who will see Cameron in the same way, there will be payback to this old guard if the Tories win on May 6th...and it will be at the expence of mainstream education, the NHS, and the poor. But at least it won't be any surprise! except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! Maybe he has a spare £30,000 to £50,000+uniform and extras to send each of his childern to a good school, and another £10,000+ to cover private health care. Bet he hasnt! LoL
The national debt will be the same for all. Be it red, blue or yellow they will all have to make cuts. The Tories have only disclosed 18% of proposed cuts to labour's 13%. I really don't think anyone will be left untouched by the reigning in on spending. I am at a loss though why the Tories getting in will mean anyone will have to fork out £50k on private education though. Maybe you could explain how this will be the outcome of a governmental change.
because as per it will be the education budget that gets a whack out it, so schools be forced into so called performance targets, the decent teachers will leave so you will be left with the school with sub standard building, facilities and teachers and the posh scheme up the road from you will get funding from the government to set their own school up which will have a higher standard of everythin so if you want a decent education for your child you better find 50k to pay for it because under the tories the working class kids wont have a chance in hell except the odd wee bursary placement that they will need to offer to keep it ahem fair!! x "Schools already have performance targets. Teachers already leave for private schools as they pay better. The theory goes we will all be poorer who ever gets in. So taking this on board we will have less income to spend thus meaning less able to fund private education in the first place. There are only so many places for teachers in private education so you can't go into a job thats not there. In reality the resession has ment many well educated and "do-ers" not "tellers" have entered the teaching system. In theory schools will have better teachers with it being a more secure method of employment. The big issue is that Labour has not said where 87% of cuts needed will come from. The tories have not said where 82% of cuts will come and the libs have not said where 74% of cuts will come from. In reality non of the parties are telling us anything substantial at all and this election will be no more than a lucky dip with people guessing which will be best for them. | |||
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"According to you Wishy you were a Thatcher supporter....then you worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 90's.... then you voted for Blair in 1997.... then you became a Tory again. And you call others 'uneducated fools'? You will be a Liberal Democrat by the next election again, it's like the seasons changing.... A little over dramatic there aren’t you? People change, parties change and politics change. I like many in the UK change stance based upon the party’s leaders and manifestos along with how they are perceived. I think its rather small minded as he failed to use the words uneducated fools in either. It would be a little like me calling you bitter and twisted without having a scrap of evidence to substantiate my claims! Excuse me he did use the term 'uneducated fool' in his post, I was quoting him. Where! I don't see it in this post at all! Are we dreaming somewhat? "Anyone who mindlessly votes the same way every single time is an uneducated fool.".....There you go " Are you telling us you cannot substantiate your mythical quote? Do i see an apology forthcoming??? scroll up she already quoted the qoute?? too many quotes here even am gettin confused!!x "If you care to look its a quote NOT made by the the person she was supposedly quoting in this thread and the first use of that phrase was by her. If you quote someone its something they have said not what you have said on their behalf. Its quite simple really what we have is someone not really as clever as she pretends to be and unable to substantiate her claims. | |||
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"To be fair the run up to the '97 election and Blairs subsequent win was equally guarded, he got the same protection as Cameron is now. He would annoy the old school Labour MP's like Skinner and Benn because of his refusal to talk randomly and unrehearsed with the public. I think the Tories have modelled Cameron on Blair in a lot of ways, it worked in '97 and they hope it will work again in '10. I have said before that Brown is an own goal by the Labour party, he was far from the popular choice of Labour party members but he was imposed upon them. There are many old guard Tories who will see Cameron in the same way, there will be payback to this old guard if the Tories win on May 6th...and it will be at the expence of mainstream education, the NHS, and the poor. But at least it won't be any surprise! except wishy who thinks its in his interest to have NHS, education and defense cuts! Maybe he has a spare £30,000 to £50,000+uniform and extras to send each of his childern to a good school, and another £10,000+ to cover private health care. Bet he hasnt! LoL
The national debt will be the same for all. Be it red, blue or yellow they will all have to make cuts. The Tories have only disclosed 18% of proposed cuts to labour's 13%. I really don't think anyone will be left untouched by the reigning in on spending. I am at a loss though why the Tories getting in will mean anyone will have to fork out £50k on private education though. Maybe you could explain how this will be the outcome of a governmental change.
because as per it will be the education budget that gets a whack out it, so schools be forced into so called performance targets, the decent teachers will leave so you will be left with the school with sub standard building, facilities and teachers and the posh scheme up the road from you will get funding from the government to set their own school up which will have a higher standard of everythin so if you want a decent education for your child you better find 50k to pay for it because under the tories the working class kids wont have a chance in hell except the odd wee bursary placement that they will need to offer to keep it ahem fair!! x
Schools already have performance targets. Teachers already leave for private schools as they pay better. The theory goes we will all be poorer who ever gets in. So taking this on board we will have less income to spend thus meaning less able to fund private education in the first place. There are only so many places for teachers in private education so you can't go into a job thats not there.
In reality the resession has ment many well educated and "do-ers" not "tellers" have entered the teaching system. In theory schools will have better teachers with it being a more secure method of employment.
The big issue is that Labour has not said where 87% of cuts needed will come from. The tories have not said where 82% of cuts will come and the libs have not said where 74% of cuts will come from.
In reality non of the parties are telling us anything substantial at all and this election will be no more than a lucky dip with people guessing which will be best for them."yeah def the public like wee mushrooms kept in the dark and fed a lot of bullshit! its guesswork tryin to see how the cuts will affect people personally and no one willing to come out and say clearly what their plans are! x | |||
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"The only promis I have heard from the Tories is that they will raise inheritance tax threshhold by £200,000. Nice for some! Bet its of no help to you wishy!
My parents are divorced and both own houses in excess of £200k so I'm delighted I will have to give the taxman less under the Tories than I will under Labour but as I hope both my lovely old mum and dear old dad both live for another 30 years it's a bit of a dead issue at the moment (pun intended)."well you better hope they never need care because under the tories the houses will be sold to pay for the care, unless you take them in as and i quote you on this from a previous thread "its the families job to do it" and as the frontline services always get it first you no chance of a home help either!! x | |||
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The national debt will be the same for all. Be it red, blue or yellow they will all have to make cuts. The Tories have only disclosed 18% of proposed cuts to labour's 13%. I really don't think anyone will be left untouched by the reigning in on spending. I am at a loss though why the Tories getting in will mean anyone will have to fork out £50k on private education though. Maybe you could explain how this will be the outcome of a governmental change.
because as per it will be the education budget that gets a whack out it, so schools be forced into so called performance targets, the decent teachers will leave so you will be left with the school with sub standard building, facilities and teachers and the posh scheme up the road from you will get funding from the government to set their own school up which will have a higher standard of everythin so if you want a decent education for your child you better find 50k to pay for it because under the tories the working class kids wont have a chance in hell except the odd wee bursary placement that they will need to offer to keep it ahem fair!! x
Schools already have performance targets. Teachers already leave for private schools as they pay better. The theory goes we will all be poorer who ever gets in. So taking this on board we will have less income to spend thus meaning less able to fund private education in the first place. There are only so many places for teachers in private education so you can't go into a job thats not there.
In reality the resession has ment many well educated and "do-ers" not "tellers" have entered the teaching system. In theory schools will have better teachers with it being a more secure method of employment.
The big issue is that Labour has not said where 87% of cuts needed will come from. The tories have not said where 82% of cuts will come and the libs have not said where 74% of cuts will come from.
In reality non of the parties are telling us anything substantial at all and this election will be no more than a lucky dip with people guessing which will be best for them.
yeah def the public like wee mushrooms kept in the dark and fed a lot of bullshit!
its guesswork tryin to see how the cuts will affect people personally and no one willing to come out and say clearly what their plans are! x"This may be the first election substantially influenced by tv debates rather than policy and its truly worrying. | |||
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If you care to look its a quote NOT made by the the person she was supposedly quoting in this thread and the first use of that phrase was by her. If you quote someone its something they have said not what you have said on their behalf.
Its quite simple really what we have is someone not really as clever as she pretends to be and unable to substantiate her claims. "but he did say it?? this is where im confused?? its there in black and white, and he did have a point because the amount of people who vote for x cause their granny did and dont look at politics for themselfs, they def need some political education? but your sayin he didnt and she made it up when it there clearly ? xx | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 28/04/10 15:26:16]" too late i seen it lol!! but this is another bit i dont understand, people will moan when services will get cut but they not willing to pay a bit more through tax or ni for these services, that they use? do they think the magic fairy pays for them? i dont get it?? xx | |||
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"well you better hope they never need care because under the tories the houses will be sold to pay for the care, unless you take them in as and i quote you on this from a previous thread "its the families job to do it" and as the frontline services always get it first you no chance of a home help either!! x" Ok, let me be crystal clear on this... my mum wiped my arse for me when I couldn't do it myself, fed me, clothed me, housed me, nursed my cuts and scrapes, my dad nurtured me, guided me, helped me and tasught me the things I'd need to know when I was older. I see it as my duty to repay them for the unconditional love and support they have always given me, even now my old mum worries herself sick as I'm 250 miles away. I'd rather cut off my own hand than see them stuffed away in a home waiting to die. I owe them more than I could ever repay. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 28/04/10 15:26:16] too late i seen it lol!! but this is another bit i dont understand, people will moan when services will get cut but they not willing to pay a bit more through tax or ni for these services, that they use? do they think the magic fairy pays for them? i dont get it?? xx" Grrr.. why don't we have an edit function... feckin cuts, we'll never get one now!!! hehehe
As for tax rises and N.I. rises.. I'm too long in the tooth to be conned by thse rises. Once they go up they'll never come down because the govt, wohever it is, will get used to the extra income and will spend it accordingly. If NI rises it wont come back down, I'm certain of that. If Income Tax rises that won't come down either... unless they need to buy some votes at the NEXT election. Then it will be dressed up as doing us a fookin favour! | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 28/04/10 15:26:16] too late i seen it lol!! but this is another bit i dont understand, people will moan when services will get cut but they not willing to pay a bit more through tax or ni for these services, that they use? do they think the magic fairy pays for them? i dont get it?? xx Grrr.. why don't we have an edit function... feckin cuts, we'll never get one now!!! hehehe
As for tax rises and N.I. rises.. I'm too long in the tooth to be conned by thse rises. Once they go up they'll never come down because the govt, wohever it is, will get used to the extra income and will spend it accordingly. If NI rises it wont come back down, I'm certain of that. If Income Tax rises that won't come down either... unless they need to buy some votes at the NEXT election. Then it will be dressed up as doing us a fookin favour! "but if we want services they need to be paid for somehow thats my point? inflation up at 4.4 % fuel has went up 25% there got to be a rise somewhere to keep even basic services goin? no one likes tax increases or NI but no one wants to do without services when they need them and moanin about it whilst moanin if there goin to be an increase it doesnt make sense! i know you cant please everyone but somethin got to give! xx | |||
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"i knew there had to be a human being in there somewhere!!! iv done it both for grandparents and other family members and its not bloody easy you get no support or thanks and tryin to get stuff done is like climbing everest in stilletos and a mini skirt! its demanding both physically and mentally and sometimes you hit breaking point and need outside help and you never know when it will be if vital services get cut such as support for carers many more people will end up in nursing homes etc xx" I'm sure it wasn't easy hon, and well done you for doing it. My dad once told me that when we were kids my mum often went without a meal so that the four of us could eat. I never knew that as she hid it very well, even from him sometimes as he worked nights. If it ever came to it, my son would have his granny living with us and that would wonderful for him as my own grandparents passed away when I was a small child and I have no recollection of them, yet funnily enough, I do miss them, is that possible? I envy those who knew their grandparents. | |||
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"well you better hope they never need care because under the tories the houses will be sold to pay for the care, unless you take them in as and i quote you on this from a previous thread "its the families job to do it" and as the frontline services always get it first you no chance of a home help either!! x Ok, let me be crystal clear on this... my mum wiped my arse for me when I couldn't do it myself, fed me, clothed me, housed me, nursed my cuts and scrapes, my dad nurtured me, guided me, helped me and tasught me the things I'd need to know when I was older. I see it as my duty to repay them for the unconditional love and support they have always given me, even now my old mum worries herself sick as I'm 250 miles away. I'd rather cut off my own hand than see them stuffed away in a home waiting to die. I owe them more than I could ever repay." I undertsand your sentiment but there are those that "don't want to be a burden" to their children. Some want to be with people of their own age and a home or sheltered accommodation offers this. I don't see why having worked all their lives to provide for the family and to have paid off mortgages etc, they should be forced to give up what most quote as "their children's inheritence" for the provision of the "cradle to the grave care" we were promised. | |||
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"This bit of legislation anita me totally I would never have my parents live with me Not because I don't like em or love em it just would not work So if they have to sell their house to provide their care so be it why the hell is anyone of the opinion the state should pay is totally beyond me" because they worked hard to own their homes and build nest eggs etc and paid into the pot expecting to have something to leave the kids when the passed on, but instead they got maggies buy your home, work hard and we make you sell it when you become too infirm and need care even though you paid tax and ni for many years and some people who did nothing will get their care paid for them its very unfair to all those people who supported themselves and paid in xx | |||
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"This bit of legislation anita me totally I would never have my parents live with me Not because I don't like em or love em it just would not work So if they have to sell their house to provide their care so be it why the hell is anyone of the opinion the state should pay is totally beyond me" Because those who have never saved a penny in their life, never spent money buying a property, never invested in Stocks and Shares.....just live in local authority rented accommodation, often subsidised by others, will get the same care in the home as those that have saved, brought houses, maybe worked harder (but not in all cases) | |||
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If the policy is wrong and the leader is a twat, he don't get my vote whoever it is. I look at all the main parties in an election and vote for the one I think offers me and my family the best deal. I don't follow a party simply because me old grandad used to as he lived in different times. Anyone who mindlessly votes the same way every single time is an uneducated fool.
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The post that I can see, others can see....but you can't.
I don't see it in this thread quote please! "I just did, scroll up the thread and you will see his post. If you maintain it isn't there then there is (a) either a technical problem that concerns only your account or (b)you are being awkward for the sake of it. | |||
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for the love of god will you scroll up and see it, its there honestly i promise!!! i seen it and he did say it and he did have a point!! xx"It's that rubber gimp mask he is wearing....he can't see feck all! | |||
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for the love of god will you scroll up and see it, its there honestly i promise!!! i seen it and he did say it and he did have a point!! xx
It's that rubber gimp mask he is wearing....he can't see feck all!"So sad when you resort to personal attacks. I can only assume you struggle with words on an intellectual basis at times. Maybe you should concentrate no your pots and pans. | |||
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for the love of god will you scroll up and see it, its there honestly i promise!!! i seen it and he did say it and he did have a point!! xx
It's that rubber gimp mask he is wearing....he can't see feck all!
So sad when you resort to personal attacks. I can only assume you struggle with words on an intellectual basis at times. Maybe you should concentrate no your pots and pans. "I think calling someone a liar is a personal attack, and that is what you are doing with this nonsense. | |||
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"Wishy you are a typical 'Fair Weather' voter, if the Tories win the election you will be in love with them for a couple of years until they introduce Bills of Parliament that don't benefit 'Chez Wishy'. When their policies may affect your family financially you will be back on here calling for a change of government. Thatcher left a legacy of 'I'm alright Jacks' in the UK and you Wishy are a perfect example....One of Thatchers children alright, walk over anybody and everybody as long as you are alright. Until that is things don't go right for you and yours.....what then Wishy?, Liberal Democrats?, Greens? Nail Head . If the policy is wrong and the leader is a twat, he don't get my vote whoever it is. I look at all the main parties in an election and vote for the one I think offers me and my family the best deal. I don't follow a party simply because me old grandad used to as he lived in different times. Anyone who mindlessly votes the same way every single time is an uneducated fool." Or a man or woman of principles maybe and I for one err on the side of caution and try to steer clear of making blanket statements | |||
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"Vote UKIP. This election is a sham. 80% of our laws are now made by people we can't sack (the EU). That's not democratic. We live in a society ruled by an elite that has minimal contact with ordinary people. That is true of Labour, Lib Dem and Con - they just won't admit how they have given our power as voters away." What many fail to realise is there is no real choice at all. Al parties will do pretty much of things 80% the same. But having elections gives the illusion of choice and the feeling that the individual can later things. UKIP do have some radical ideas but if they exceeded to power the changes they suggest would stifle industry. The people who don’t vote as they feel it makes no difference may be the ones who are actually right all along. | |||
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"I undertsand your sentiment but there are those that "don't want to be a burden" to their children. Some want to be with people of their own age and a home or sheltered accommodation offers this. I don't see why having worked all their lives to provide for the family and to have paid off mortgages etc, they should be forced to give up what most quote as "their children's inheritence" for the provision of the "cradle to the grave care" we were promised." I know there are people who don't wish to give up their independence and go into a home, and for some it is the best place they can recieve the care they need, if they have Alzheimer's for example. I wouldn't know how to care for someone with that condition but I'd at least try before circumstances dictate that my dear old mum or dad need help that I cannot provide. I know it's a minefield out there and I know full time carers need support and respite. I am of the opinion that full time carers should be regarded as employees of the state and paid accordingly. | |||
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"Perl n Dean. I can't see how UKIP would stifle industry. They are committed to free trade with Europe and the world - the free-trade ambition for centuries. It is Europe that stifles industry. Just look at the unemployemnt rate in the EU - twice the rate it is in the USA. How many lives are stifled by EU regulation, taxes (yes) and unemployment?" I think the situation in Greece proves just how fragiule the Euro zone really is. How was Greece's huge debts allowed to mount to the point where it's crippled the entire country? Isn't membership of the Euro supposed to protect against that? I'll keep my shiny pound coins tyvm. | |||
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"The Germans and French led the calls for a rapid expansion of the EU, now the bottom has dropped out of the Greek economy both Germany and France are questioning them being bailed out with EU money. It doesn't take an economist to see that opening up EU membership to so many fragile countries would end up in tears....." So you don't want to see a Liberal govt taking us in as fast as their little unstable legs can carry them then, do you? | |||
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"The Germans and French led the calls for a rapid expansion of the EU, now the bottom has dropped out of the Greek economy both Germany and France are questioning them being bailed out with EU money. It doesn't take an economist to see that opening up EU membership to so many fragile countries would end up in tears..... So you don't want to see a Liberal govt taking us in as fast as their little unstable legs can carry them then, do you? "Hold on, just a couple of days ago you were wavering between the Tories and Lib Dems......so are you now a Euro sceptic? | |||
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"The EU doesn't send a penny to Britain - just the opposite "sorry but it does through the social deprivation funding etc. i dealt with them a lot when securing funding for a local youth group etc . i cant give you exact figures of what goes out from here or back in xx | |||
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"We have always paid into the EU about six times what we get out. It is because the main item of spending is agriculture - and the FRench take the lions' share. Margaret Thatcher said that was unfair and won the rebate - only for Tony Blair to give it back! Never vote for a euro-federalist. Bring back democracy. Never again vote Labour, Con or Lib Dem" You change your mind more often than a tory politician | |||
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"Think we might need part 3 wishy, you are all talking too much. "Actually great ta see people are bloody interested lol Apathy was getting too common place Things have been stirring not only on here but with my customers and others i have met even teenagers
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Actually great ta see people are bloody interested lol
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"The only promis I have heard from the Tories is that they will raise inheritance tax threshhold by £200,000. Nice for some! Bet its of no help to you wishy!
My parents are divorced and both own houses in excess of £200k so I'm delighted I will have to give the taxman less under the Tories than I will under Labour but as I hope both my lovely old mum and dear old dad both live for another 30 years it's a bit of a dead issue at the moment (pun intended)."so if both your parents died today they would each have net estates worth over £800,000 (the current death duty thresh hold) for you to benefit from that particular tax break. If so either they have both won the pools/lottery or you lied when you when you said you grew up on a Luton Council sink estate! | |||
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"The only promis I have heard from the Tories is that they will raise inheritance tax threshhold by £200,000. Nice for some! Bet its of no help to you wishy!
My parents are divorced and both own houses in excess of £200k so I'm delighted I will have to give the taxman less under the Tories than I will under Labour but as I hope both my lovely old mum and dear old dad both live for another 30 years it's a bit of a dead issue at the moment (pun intended).
so if both your parents died today they would each have net estates worth over £800,000 (the current death duty thresh hold) for you to benefit from that particular tax break.
If so either they have both won the pools/lottery or you lied when you when you said you grew up on a Luton Council sink estate! "Margaret Thatcher, the same one you dislike so much, allowed council tennants to buy their own homes at a huge discount. Remember? Good. My parents bought their first home for £9,500, lucky gits. That house rose quickly in value to £60,000 and that's when they divorced, my mum signing over everything to my father. She remarried to a man who also had his own ex-council house. So tjhat's two houses worth approx £60k. With me so far? Good, let's continue then. My dad sold up eventually for £90k and bought another house a little more expensive and remianed there for quite a few years before moving on again to the house he's in now, approx value £225k My mother, in the meantime, also sold and moved a few times, along the same timeline and for approx the same values until she is is where she is now, a nice bungalow in a little village in Bedfordshire, approx value £290k. Now, my parents were lucky for two reasons: 1) They bought their first house at a time when houses hadn't exploded in value. And 2) They lived under a Thatcher government that allowed them to do so. Were it not for those two factors, they would still be in that same sink estate, I would probably still be there too, I wouldn't have met Siren and I wouldn't have a 13m/o son. Thatcher? Bloody marvellous woman! So now you know a little more about my history and maybe you'll think twice before calling me a liar in future. | |||
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"The only promis I have heard from the Tories is that they will raise inheritance tax threshhold by £200,000. Nice for some! Bet its of no help to you wishy!
My parents are divorced and both own houses in excess of £200k so I'm delighted I will have to give the taxman less under the Tories than I will under Labour but as I hope both my lovely old mum and dear old dad both live for another 30 years it's a bit of a dead issue at the moment (pun intended).
so if both your parents died today they would each have net estates worth over £800,000 (the current death duty thresh hold) for you to benefit from that particular tax break.
If so either they have both won the pools/lottery or you lied when you when you said you grew up on a Luton Council sink estate!
Margaret Thatcher, the same one you dislike so much, allowed council tennants to buy their own homes at a huge discount. Remember? Good.
My parents bought their first home for £9,500, lucky gits. That house rose quickly in value to £60,000 and that's when they divorced, my mum signing over everything to my father. She remarried to a man who also had his own ex-council house. So tjhat's two houses worth approx £60k. With me so far?
Good, let's continue then.
My dad sold up eventually for £90k and bought another house a little more expensive and remianed there for quite a few years before moving on again to the house he's in now, approx value £225k
My mother, in the meantime, also sold and moved a few times, along the same timeline and for approx the same values until she is is where she is now, a nice bungalow in a little village in Bedfordshire, approx value £290k.
Now, my parents were lucky for two reasons:
1) They bought their first house at a time when houses hadn't exploded in value.
And 2) They lived under a Thatcher government that allowed them to do so.
Were it not for those two factors, they would still be in that same sink estate, I would probably still be there too, I wouldn't have met Siren and I wouldn't have a 13m/o son.
Thatcher? Bloody marvellous woman!
So now you know a little more about my history and maybe you'll think twice before calling me a liar in future."So having gloated that the extra £200,000 on the inheritance tax would cut your tax bill when your parents die, something you have proved is not so. You now get indignant because I point out to you that for that to be the case either both have won the lottery or you had lied. The fact is that the ONLY definite tax promise of the Tories is to increase the inheritance tax threshold from £800,000 to £1,000,000. Something that is of no use to you, just as its of no use to the vast majority of the rest of us. The sad fact is that they have so conned you that you are already crowing over the fact that they are giving you nothing while making plans to line their pockets. So take your Tory indignation and eat it, as I am sure you will get to eat lots more of the same sort of shit if they get in! | |||
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"At least now you can start to understand why I don't think the Tories are at all bad. Sure there are some things I'd change about them but then so would you about the Labour Party. I'm not going to apologise for actions my parents took to lift them out of the crap estate they were living in. They moved out of London for a fresh start and that's exactly what they got, and myself and my 3 siblings benefitted also. The people I feel really sorry for are those youngsters starting out today who haven't got a cat in hell's chance of getting on the property ladder, and that's something Labour SHOULD have done something about but failed to. I'm not digging at Labour here, they simply inherited a system initiated by the previous government, but they are the party in power now and if they were true to their socialist roots they would have made sure that all young newlyweds had a nice place to call home from the moment they were married. Maybe if they had, more fathers would still be with the mothers of their children. Who knows. It didn't happen." i was startin to think you made sense till the last bit there and it screwed it up!!! what has housing to do with marriage?? would adequate housing stop divorces or would it have encouraged people to get married?? not everyone wants to buy into the happy nuclear family image? i had my house before i fell pregnant so didnt need to drop the sprog to get a house and sure as hell wasnt marryin the cunt (kitty its here!!) what is marriage anyway? a bit of paper?? how many marriages break up think its around half now or over 50% would a nice wee council semi have stopped this?? nope i didnt think so either!! xx | |||
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"At least now you can start to understand why I don't think the Tories are at all bad. Sure there are some things I'd change about them but then so would you about the Labour Party. I'm not going to apologise for actions my parents took to lift them out of the crap estate they were living in. They moved out of London for a fresh start and that's exactly what they got, and myself and my 3 siblings benefitted also. The people I feel really sorry for are those youngsters starting out today who haven't got a cat in hell's chance of getting on the property ladder, and that's something Labour SHOULD have done something about but failed to. I'm not digging at Labour here, they simply inherited a system initiated by the previous government, but they are the party in power now and if they were true to their socialist roots they would have made sure that all young newlyweds had a nice place to call home from the moment they were married. Maybe if they had, more fathers would still be with the mothers of their children. Who knows. It didn't happen." Sorry Wishy but all those proceeds from right to buy under Thatcher then Major were well distributed amongst the wealthy long before Labour got into power, that money should have been spent on new social housing construction. And that is the bare facts, they had the proceeds from the houses they sold to do it....instead they made Britain a better place for the few. | |||
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"Why not have a snap poll on here right now. Who owns their own house? We do. There's one. Who else?" better asking who owns their council house? i rent from housing association. xx | |||
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"i was startin to think you made sense till the last bit there and it screwed it up!!! what has housing to do with marriage?? would adequate housing stop divorces or would it have encouraged people to get married?? not everyone wants to buy into the happy nuclear family image? i had my house before i fell pregnant so didnt need to drop the sprog to get a house and sure as hell wasnt marryin the cunt (kitty its here!!) what is marriage anyway? a bit of paper?? how many marriages break up think its around half now or over 50% would a nice wee council semi have stopped this?? nope i didnt think so either!! xx" It was just a reference to the dream we're all spoon fed from an early age, you know, grow up, get married, have kids, live happily ever after. I've had two marriages so the dream didn't work out for me for the first one, but I'm happy to say it's alive and well now lol x | |||
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"Why not have a snap poll on here right now. Who owns their own house? We do. There's one. Who else?" You wouldn't like it if I told you | |||
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"No apology for calling me a liar then? "I pointed out that either you were wrong in your statement or you had lied, you have proved that you were wrong! I do not apologize for forcing you to admit that you were wrong! The real shame is that even now you fail to acknowledge your error. | |||
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"Sorry Wishy but all those proceeds from right to buy under Thatcher then Major were well distributed amongst the wealthy long before Labour got into power, that money should have been spent on new social housing construction. And that is the bare facts, they had the proceeds from the houses they sold to do it....instead they made Britain a better place for the few." I have no idea what happened to the money obtained by the sale of council homes all those years ago and I doubt you do either. Can it be traced? Is there any resources online showing where it went? Unless that claim can be backed up I'll ignore it as it's too easy to trot out a line like without substantiation. I certainly refuse to believe there were a long line of toffs down at Whitehall holding out their velvet gloved hands for their piece of the pie. Didn't most of them get fucked when Lloyds went after them? Good job too, I say. | |||
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"No apology for calling me a liar then?
I pointed out that either you were wrong in your statement or you had lied, you have proved that you were wrong!
I do not apologize for forcing you to admit that you were wrong!
The real shame is that even now you fail to acknowledge your error. "You called me a liar and until you apologise for it I'll not debate with you further. | |||
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"Why not have a snap poll on here right now. Who owns their own house? We do. There's one. Who else? You wouldn't like it if I told you " I know you have your own business so I can guess. Or not. I dunno. It's your business lol | |||
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"Our family home in Devon and one we still own 50% of in Kent." And good for you. It shouldn't be a source of embarrassment to own one's own home but I do feel that some Labour supporters treat anyone that does as some sort of rich scumbag who have obtained their security on the backs of the down trodden masses. (that wasn't aimed at anyone on here ok, just wanted to clarify that. We're all swingers and if you're ever fortunate enough to be under my cock I promise not start talking about the type of house you live in. ) | |||
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"you changed into prince charles with the own ones own home?? iv nothin against anyone who owns their home, its the profiteering of buying council houses then selling them at immense profit that sticks with me especially the ones who bought all the relations houses to make a huge profit and the councils for not investing the money back into housing stock x" Agree totally, we never started off on the right to buy path ourselves but I do applaud the concept.....if the Tories hadn't wasted the money, because one thing is for sure they never used the proceeds to build further social housing. And absolutely agree about people buying relatives council houses and making profits from it, should have been taxed on their gains. | |||
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"ooooooo are we having the buy your council house under the right to buy scheme and then think you're middle class so you'll vote Tory in the future debate lol" Assuming that everyone who bought their council house now thinks they ARE middle class and thus votes Tory... or is that just your take on it? | |||
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"ooooooo are we having the buy your council house under the right to buy scheme and then think you're middle class so you'll vote Tory in the future debate lol" Would be rude not to mention this fact wouldn't it?.....Thatcher sold those Council houses for the same reason she sent those boys all that way across the world to the Falklands. To cover up the fact that she deliberately sold all our nationalised industries, utilities, and assets on the cheap to her cronies so they could make Billions! When the general public looked certain to kick her arse back to her family corner shop for selling off half the country cheaply she bribed them by letting them buy their council houses. Overnight their greed clouded their vision, overnight half the country were fooled into believing they were middle class as they were the first generation of their families to own their own home. Then in a bid to bring them down to earth (to stop them from becoming too comfortable) she bumped up interest rates so a great deal of them then lost these homes and the well off brought them on the cheap and turned them back into rented property stock....this time with private landlords though. She did the self same thing over the Falklands, she refused to listen to her close military advisors who advocated sending an extra Three hundred troops to the Falkland islands when the Argies started sabre rattling, instead when she was way way down in the opinion polls with an election looming she played the old 'Rule Britannia' card and all of a sudden people were standing on the quayside in Plymouth and Portsmouth waving union jacks instead of waving protest banners in Whitehall. Those lives were wasted needlessly, so Thatcher could claw back ratings. The Americans had been feeding the government of the day with untold amounts of military intelligence, it went on for months, but instead of nipping it in the bud she got the British public all patriotic again and gagging for a war. | |||
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"ooooooo are we having the buy your council house under the right to buy scheme and then think you're middle class so you'll vote Tory in the future debate lol Assuming that everyone who bought their council house now thinks they ARE middle class and thus votes Tory... or is that just your take on it? "Well I'm entitled to my opinion the same as everyone else is and yes that's my take on it, certainly from a local aspect. I saw those same people struggle to keep up with their payments and then having their house repossessed and end up in another council property or rental property. The council stock soon becoming so run down due to lack of funding for repairs which I believe led to the further decay of "sink estates". These repairs that could so easily have been undertaken with the proceeds of the sale of so much of the housing stock under the last Tory government. We have no council houses where I live, they've all been taken over by a housing association and have undergone and are still undergoing a widespread programme of repairs to provide people with the level of accommodation as human beings they deserve. | |||
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"ooooooo are we having the buy your council house under the right to buy scheme and then think you're middle class so you'll vote Tory in the future debate lol Would be rude not to mention this fact wouldn't it?.....Thatcher sold those Council houses for the same reason she sent those boys all that way across the world to the Falklands. To cover up the fact that she deliberately sold all our nationalised industries, utilities, and assets on the cheap to her cronies so they could make Billions! When the general public looked certain to kick her arse back to her family corner shop for selling off half the country cheaply she bribed them by letting them buy their council houses. Overnight their greed clouded their vision, overnight half the country were fooled into believing they were middle class as they were the first generation of their families to own their own home. Then in a bid to bring them down to earth (to stop them from becoming too comfortable) she bumped up interest rates so a great deal of them then lost these homes and the well off brought them on the cheap and turned them back into rented property stock....this time with private landlords though. She did the self same thing over the Falklands, she refused to listen to her close military advisors who advocated sending an extra Three hundred troops to the Falkland islands when the Argies started sabre rattling, instead when she was way way down in the opinion polls with an election looming she played the old 'Rule Britannia' card and all of a sudden people were standing on the quayside in Plymouth and Portsmouth waving union jacks instead of waving protest banners in Whitehall. Those lives were wasted needlessly, so Thatcher could claw back ratings. The Americans had been feeding the government of the day with untold amounts of military intelligence, it went on for months, but instead of nipping it in the bud she got the British public all patriotic again and gagging for a war." If we had upped the troops in the Falklands earlier many would be still alive today. She sent mixed messages to the argies and thats why they invaded. not saying Maggie was all bad but what she did to the miners was nothing short of deplorable. | |||
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"ooooooo are we having the buy your council house under the right to buy scheme and then think you're middle class so you'll vote Tory in the future debate lol Assuming that everyone who bought their council house now thinks they ARE middle class and thus votes Tory... or is that just your take on it?
Well I'm entitled to my opinion the same as everyone else is and yes that's my take on it, certainly from a local aspect. I saw those same people struggle to keep up with their payments and then having their house repossessed and end up in another council property or rental property. The council stock soon becoming so run down due to lack of funding for repairs which I believe led to the further decay of "sink estates". These repairs that could so easily have been undertaken with the proceeds of the sale of so much of the housing stock under the last Tory government. We have no council houses where I live, they've all been taken over by a housing association and have undergone and are still undergoing a widespread programme of repairs to provide people with the level of accommodation as human beings they deserve. "The exact same thing has happened and is still happening in Luton also. The estate I grew up on would rival Moss Side, Brixton or some of the other cess pits that exist in our country today. Home ownership improved it somewhat back in the 80's but it has now reverted back to rented accomodation and single mothers with children by several fathers is quite common there. What happened to all the cash? I have no idea. Those that did buy their houses moved on when the housing boom enabled them to, and I don't blame them tbh. I know a lot of people who lost their homes in the subsequent crash too, and as you say, landlords snapped them up at knock down prices but they weren't greedy toffs from Stockbroker land, they were people from those estates who knew the value of those houses and had done well for themselves. I'm only talking about the place I grew up in as I was there as it happened. I can't say how it happened in other areas but I suspect it was pretty much the same thing. | |||
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"Would be rude not to mention this fact wouldn't it?.....Thatcher sold those Council houses for the same reason she sent those boys all that way across the world to the Falklands. To cover up the fact that she deliberately sold all our nationalised industries, utilities, and assets on the cheap to her cronies so they could make Billions! When the general public looked certain to kick her arse back to her family corner shop for selling off half the country cheaply she bribed them by letting them buy their council houses. Overnight their greed clouded their vision, overnight half the country were fooled into believing they were middle class as they were the first generation of their families to own their own home. Then in a bid to bring them down to earth (to stop them from becoming too comfortable) she bumped up interest rates so a great deal of them then lost these homes and the well off brought them on the cheap and turned them back into rented property stock....this time with private landlords though. She did the self same thing over the Falklands, she refused to listen to her close military advisors who advocated sending an extra Three hundred troops to the Falkland islands when the Argies started sabre rattling, instead when she was way way down in the opinion polls with an election looming she played the old 'Rule Britannia' card and all of a sudden people were standing on the quayside in Plymouth and Portsmouth waving union jacks instead of waving protest banners in Whitehall. Those lives were wasted needlessly, so Thatcher could claw back ratings. The Americans had been feeding the government of the day with untold amounts of military intelligence, it went on for months, but instead of nipping it in the bud she got the British public all patriotic again and gagging for a war." Too right Jane! I was one of those boys and I notice that although 250 of us died down there (even though we do know that all corners are instructed to return on misadventure or open verdict unless the suicide note) the suicide rate among the rest of us is an official secret! I also notice that you are more than lightly one of those who would benefit from a Tory government and their traditional pro wealth policies but you continually point out how unfair and flawed those policies are. | |||
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" If we had upped the troops in the Falklands earlier many would be still alive today. She sent mixed messages to the argies and thats why they invaded. not saying Maggie was all bad but what she did to the miners was nothing short of deplorable. " She all but sent them an invitation, I hear people all the time (mainly pensioners) saying things like "She made Britain proud again" or "she put the Great back into Britain" She ignored the advise of the generals of the day, she ignored the advise of the Americans, she sent those boys to their deaths in order to stoke up the fires of pride in the British people so they would forget her crimes against the British people themselves. Those crimes were to do ANYTHING to cripple the unions, whatever the cost. Divert the real wealth of this country into the pockets of the lords and gentry by letting them buy cheap stock in privatised industries and utilities. It was estimated that many of the shares were traded initially at one third of their real worth.....one sodding third! | |||
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