FabSwingers.com forum: The Miners Strike

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hard to believe it was 30 years ago, and the brilliant documentary on ITV last night showed that divisions still haven't healed with the passing of time. When you see the destruction of towns and communities you have to say that, with the benefit of hindsight, Thatcher may have won the battle with the unions, but the war was lost in terms of the long term damage to our society.

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By *utzzCouple
over a year ago

wrexham

There's some families round here that fell out during the strikes and haven't spoke since and the animosity has passed down the generations to the grand kids now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My dad was one of the coppers who got bussed up there for the strike on huge amounts of overtime pay. Bought me my first car, so happy memories for me. For others, not so.

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By *un_JuiceCouple
over a year ago

Nr Chester

To this day my football club are hurled abuse by many fans from mostly Yorkshire clubs. 'Scabs' effin and blinding, kids too as young as 6/7/8 years old. It was obviously an awful time back then and still is for many communities. You'd have thought the whole of Nottinghamshire and other areas our fans are from were responsible. No, I wasn,t a miner. I firmly believe that the pits were on the agenda to cull, as a lot of industry was targeted, maybe those that kept working or crossed the lines did so in desperation for as long as they could to put food on the table. There were more areas and people that made that decision - some of which were in North Derbyshire AND Yorkshire. Thatcher is well rid and Scargill (one of Barnsleys own who are one of the main culprits for the abuse) many believe sold everyone out anyway ? Maybe there was no choice he knew what was inevitable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People have a right to be resentful you only had to be a kid up this way 30 years ago and see the heavy handed tactics of the filth on the strikers. Bad times, lots of unhappiness Thatcher was an evil woman to do that to families.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Not all football fans are, or even were I suspect miners. Many I would say have no connection with the mining industry at all. Nor I suspect would they have ever had any connection.

Think that it is a generalisation seized upon by the "fans" of football.

Similar to the "does your boyfriend " know your out chant which is sang to fans of Brighton.

I have no knowledge or proof that the fans shouting such abuse were scabs themselves or in the latter case, gay themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I suspect documents which will be released under the 30 year rule may well open up divisions again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I suspect documents which will be released under the 30 year rule may well open up divisions again."

Some already have and prove Thatcher was a lying bastard but we already knew that up this way.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I suspect documents which will be released under the 30 year rule may well open up divisions again.

Some already have and prove Thatcher was a lying bastard but we already knew that up this way. "

I suspect they will also show Scargill in a less than favourable light.

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By *picyspiregirlCouple
over a year ago

chesterfield

"I suspect documents which will be released under the 30 year rule may well open up divisions again.

Some already have and prove Thatcher was a lying bastard but we already knew that up this way.

I suspect they will also show Scargill in a less than favourable light."

until your suspicions are confirmed,we have to say that all he predicted was correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The trouble with Scargill is that he never held a proper ballot so other Unions & the Labour party wouldn't back him properly.

Also he wasn't interested in what he could do for his workers, he just wanted to turn Britain into a communist country-during the cold war. His Socialist party even wanted to dismantle the Armed forces so the Russkies could walk in. He was paid by the KGB0-what a traitor-he should've been hung for treason.

Moreover he was so thick that he didn't realise that we had North sea oil & gas & cheaper subsidised coal from eastern europe.

But the main problem Maggie had was that Scargill thought that general elections were irrelevant if the Tories won & he wanted to bring down Government. So she made sure that ole shredded wheat head wasn't going to win. Another disastrous decision for him was that he called the strike in Spring-how fucking stupid is that? Anyone that had half a brain would've started the strike in Autumn.

At the end of the day he was a disaster for the miners & far more pits closed because of his behaviour.

Arthur Scargill-started the Miners strike with a small house & a big union, ended it with a big house & a small union. The miners deserved so much better.

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By *ichaelangelaCouple
over a year ago

notts

"The trouble with Scargill is that he never held a proper ballot so other Unions & the Labour party wouldn't back him properly.

Moreover he was so thick that he didn't realise that we had North sea oil & gas & cheaper subsidised coal from eastern europe.

At the end of the day he was a disaster for the miners & far more pits closed because of his behaviour.

Arthur Scargill-started the Miners strike with a small house & a big union, ended it with a big house & a small union. The miners deserved so much better. "

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By *0hnnyBrav0Man
over a year ago

Great Wyrley

Unfortunately it was a tough time for lots.

Being the son of a copper who was bussed up there too I saw the other side of it.

Our weekly family shop consisted of me and my sister giving up our sweets as kids so dad could take them with him up to Yorkshire and give them out to the children up there. He also used to take food up with him too to be left at an 'agreed place' so the miners could collect and at least have some food rather than none.

Scargil wasn't bothered about the starving families whilst he was in his high class hotels eating banquets at his so called 'meetings'.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Still agree that all loss making pits were right to be closed.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The trouble with Scargill is that he never held a proper ballot so other Unions & the Labour party wouldn't back him properly.

Moreover he was so thick that he didn't realise that we had North sea oil & gas & cheaper subsidised coal from eastern europe.

At the end of the day he was a disaster for the miners & far more pits closed because of his behaviour.

Arthur Scargill-started the Miners strike with a small house & a big union, ended it with a big house & a small union. The miners deserved so much better. "

Shock horror! Bertie forgets to blame Tony Blair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What was this documentary called and on what channel? Want to get it on catch up.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

My old man worked at a militant Pit and they were all up for coming out. Until the day of their local vote when apparently half of Yorkshire came down to tell them what they could and couldn't do in their own pit; so the vote went the other way.

Whenever D_nny Rovers play the Stags you get 90 minutes of being called a scab. It's what you'd call a needle match.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

I am detecting a common theme here,is Bertie Basset an Arthur Scargill fan.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"What was this documentary called and on what channel? Want to get it on catch up."

It was called the Miners Strike and Me on ITV, not an in depth re_iew, more focussed on the impact on people from all sides. Quite moving.

I suspect there will be more on the subject to mark the 30 year anniversary.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too young and ignorant here to remember first hand, but a very balenced and well made program.

The thing that turns me off about any politics is when people can't communicate - watch when the 'passion' and 'pride' etc means their eyes glaze slightly and neither side listen and discuss they just talk AT each other.

Very sad.

I thought the subtle reference to the russian food supplies was quite telling though.

I don't begrudge miners any of their pay for what they did but ultimately I want to be governed by an elected party, not a union.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was a disgusting time, the miners were put in their place after holding the country to ransom for too long and, I'n proud to have been involved on Margaret's side, End of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People have a right to be resentful you only had to be a kid up this way 30 years ago and see the heavy handed tactics of the filth on the strikers. Bad times, lots of unhappiness Thatcher was an evil woman to do that to families. "
Absolute rubbish.... She was necessary under the then conditions this country suffered....if not Margaret, then someone else. Deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a kid in the 80s I well remember the miners strike and the effect it had on the community. I remeber having my uncle who was a miner around for christmas one year because he couldn't afford a christmas dinner and we shared our christmas presents with our cousins as they didn't get any that year. Saying that I think some of the pits did need to close but the way it was done was barbaric.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being a kid in the 80s I well remember the miners strike and the effect it had on the community. I remeber having my uncle who was a miner around for christmas one year because he couldn't afford a christmas dinner and we shared our christmas presents with our cousins as they didn't get any that year. Saying that I think some of the pits did need to close but the way it was done was barbaric."

The miners in the 70's early 80's were on more than skilled men/women who had served a full apprenticeship.

Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The miners in the 70's early 80's were on more than skilled men/women who had served a full apprenticeship.

Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else."

It shows your general ignorance if you think mining is not a skilled job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The miners also, I believe, tried to strike during the war years of 1939-1945 until an act of Parliament barred them......People overseas giving their lives for their country and....miner's striking over....WHAT?????

Excuse me..........

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

The minors strike tor families apart, brothers uncles dads sons all had a decision to make, strike or work, some striked some worked those that worked...............well that was the start of the break up.

All of my mothers side of the family where Miners all went on strike, I was 15 at the time and remember how hard it was, my mother uncle was a depity at the pit and he could work, just to keep it running, work the pumps work the baths to keep them safe.

It caused a lot of animosity at times but they struggled through, others where not so lucky, men going back to work to feed the kids and loosing life long friends because of it.

I work in the building industry, now there is nothing wrong with that industry but she had to mes with it and fuck it up too. Trying to make everyone their own boss, make every one self employed, well that lasted along time dident it?

I am not into politics but all I do know is wher ei come from she was a bad woman that caused alot of problems but solved few.

if it was not for the Falklands she was dead in the water, just months previous to the start of the war her own cabinate wanted her out, what does that tell you??

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

"The miners also, I believe, tried to strike during the war years of 1939-1945 until an act of Parliament barred them......People overseas giving their lives for their country and....miner's striking over....WHAT?????

Excuse me.........."

Just out of curioustuy what do you do for a living??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The miners in the 70's early 80's were on more than skilled men/women who had served a full apprenticeship.

Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else.

It shows your general ignorance if you think mining is not a skilled job."

Oh, right....So I spent 7 years at college and sweated over 13 examinations just to be paid less than them, did I????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excuse me..........

Just out of curioustuy what do you do for a living??"

I am chief mechanical engineer with a local fabrication company.

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By *coobyroo218Couple
over a year ago

Guernsey

The miners in the 70's early 80's were on more than skilled men/women who had served a full apprenticeship.

Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else.

It shows your general ignorance if you think mining is not a skilled job.

Oh, right....So I spent 7 years at college and sweated over 13 examinations just to be paid less than them, did I????"

No you had a choice just like everyone else. Yes mining is dangerous and yes they worked long hours at times but just like plumbers and sparkies now they earne lots but they work for it.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else."

out of curiosity do you hold the same _iew about career soldiers over the last 13 years or kieth blakelock etc etc. ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else.

out of curiosity do you hold the same _iew about career soldiers over the last 13 years or kieth blakelock etc etc. ?"
How stupid a comparison.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

valid question really

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The miners in the 70's early 80's were on more than skilled men/women who had served a full apprenticeship.

Don't say it was a 'dangerous' job they did.......it was entirely THEIR decision to go down a pit every day, no-one ever forced them down there, they had a choice, same as EVERYONE else.

It shows your general ignorance if you think mining is not a skilled job.

Oh, right....So I spent 7 years at college and sweated over 13 examinations just to be paid less than them, did I????"

I weep for the hard graft you suffered calculating load stresses and integrating polynominals. Spending time in education doesn't mean you deserve better than anybody else. You are generally paid what the job is worth. If your industry is not well paid then you also have a choice.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually, without the miners,the industrial revolution in this country would never have happened.

You can be as smart as you like,but you cant make money out of steam engines without coal.

The North West was built on cotton,produced in bulk using coal power.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"And, it's spelled "curiousity", just for your guidance.

Do you want to try that spelling lesson again?"

pmsl .... think that one exploded in the breech

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Coal had it's day, like most things power sources move on. One day the oil industry will be a relict.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Coal had it's day, like most things power sources move on. One day the oil industry will be a relict.

Funny how much we still use STEAM power though.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

"7 years at college and 13 exams??????"

obviously english wasn't one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some times its better to stop digging

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"Some times its better to stop digging

I agree. Some people reach a point where they stop making a point in a thread and end up doing something quite different.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some times its better to stop digging

I agree. Some people reach a point where they stop making a point in a thread and end up doing something quite different. "

Ref to my earlier post

I think lots of things will become an eye opener with the 30 years rule from both sides...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OOPS! Sorry, poor miner.... You MAY..... Apologies.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Some times its better to stop digging

I agree. Some people reach a point where they stop making a point in a thread and end up doing something quite different.

Ref to my earlier post

I think lots of things will become an eye opener with the 30 years rule from both sides..."

I totally agree and as a historian am looking forward to seeing what was really said and done behind closed doors. I suspect both sides had different public and private agendas.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.....the miners were poor 'rang tang' led by unpatriotic vermin.

'Nuff said.

End.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I remember it well, my dad was a scab

I remember walking home from school and a gang of kids who's dad's has striked beat me up on the way home, we had all our windows put through and scab spray pained on the front of our house, it was grim up north in those days

problem was no one wanted to get involved, the police did nothing and the school answer was to keep me out of school

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember it well, my dad was a scab

problem was no one wanted to get involved, the police did nothing and the school answer was to keep me out of school

There was no justification for that with children its appalling children on both sides were drawn into things they shouldn't have been.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

Like Old Etonians?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

Yes, it would have.

Someone had to stand up to them,

It just happened to be Margaret.

God bless Her soul.

XXX

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What was this documentary called and on what channel? Want to get it on catch up.

It was called the Miners Strike and Me on ITV, not an in depth re_iew, more focussed on the impact on people from all sides. Quite moving.

I suspect there will be more on the subject to mark the 30 year anniversary. "

Cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

Like Old Etonians?"

That made me smile such irony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I remember it well, my dad was a scab

problem was no one wanted to get involved, the police did nothing and the school answer was to keep me out of school

Yep I agree, it was disgusting how the people who didn't strike were treated. It said a lot about how the trade unions were run.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What people who think the Miners just produced coal for homes to burn forget is.

Most of the coal that fueled the industrial revolution,was used to produce Steel and .

Without this huge resource readily available,we would be on a par with Greece economically.

We now have little manufacturing and are reaping the rewards of being held to ransom,by countries selling us their coal.

At the start of the strike Britain produced 130 million tons of coal.

Now we produce 17 million tons.

The rest we need is imported from Countries with less than acceptable safety records and even lower wages.

Using current usage figures,we have enough left underground to keep us going for around 200/400 years.

You know it makes sense to import, than use what we already have a plentiful supply of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

Like Old Etonians?"

It's impossible to run a country for the benefit of everyone, unless you're Tony Blair then you pretend to be a socialist -and benefit yourself.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Anyway.... I refuse to argue/ reply to fools.

I am rich, intelligent and sought after.

Deal with it, Victoria."

And rather small minded for one so intellectually endowed.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Can people drop the personal digs and nit-picking about spelling please. Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Listen.... I was around in the eighties when the miners were trying to hold this country to ransom as they had done in the past........They were THWARTED by a far-seeing government.....it doesn't matter what political beliefs that far-seeing government had, just that they sorted the miners 'leaders'...aka Scargill, et al, and helped to put this country back on track......... tony blair and his moronic free spending arseholes finished us off in the late nineties.....John Major was SO underrated, we should have stuck to him and then we MIGHT have turned out a better nation all round.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a little tidbit about manufacturing.

Last year we produced more cars than France and Italy combined.

Practically all Airbus wings are built in Filton and Chester, Plus Rolls Royce engines.

Heavy industry may have decline but we're still about number 6 in the world.

Even the mighty USA is about to loose to China.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If it wasn't M Thatcher it would have had to be someone else ultimately.

Again I'm ignorant of the timeframe only being 4 - 5 but you can't be dictated to by a certain group.

Like Old Etonians?

It's impossible to run a country for the benefit of everyone, unless you're Tony Blair then you pretend to be a socialist -and benefit yourself."

Oh come on, what about all his cronies. They did well, very well for themselves. And still are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some times its better to stop digging

I agree. Some people reach a point where they stop making a point in a thread and end up doing something quite different.

Ref to my earlier post

I think lots of things will become an eye opener with the 30 years rule from both sides...

I totally agree and as a historian am looking forward to seeing what was really said and done behind closed doors. I suspect both sides had different public and private agendas."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a little tidbit about manufacturing.

Last year we produced more cars than France and Italy combined.

Practically all Airbus wings are built in Filton and Chester, Plus Rolls Royce engines.

Heavy industry may have decline but we're still about number 6 in the world.

Even the mighty USA is about to loose to China."

Yes we are very good at putting other peoples parts together.

Unfortunately the companies that we do it for are all NON UK.

Someone gave away the likes of Land Rover & Jaguar,because they couldnt make a profit.

Looks a bit short sighted now, dont you think.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

We still build and equip some bloody good ship.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

ships. Plural. Sorry.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You forgot to mention the Submarines

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just a little tidbit about manufacturing.

Last year we produced more cars than France and Italy combined.

Practically all Airbus wings are built in Filton and Chester, Plus Rolls Royce engines.

Heavy industry may have decline but we're still about number 6 in the world.

Even the mighty USA is about to loose to China.

Yes we are very good at putting other peoples parts together.

Unfortunately the companies that we do it for are all NON UK.

Someone gave away the likes of Land Rover & Jaguar,because they couldnt make a profit.

Looks a bit short sighted now, dont you think."

The world is a global economy and we don't have a right to be world leaders in everything.

Most of the models by Jag and LR were almost entirely developed in Britain by mainly British engineers.

In my humble opinion Britain lacks LEADERS and Managers. We have the knowledge and knowhow but then squander it.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"You forgot to mention the Submarines

Nah, I just thought writing ships and boats might look a bit clumsy.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Listen.... I was around in the eighties when the miners were trying to hold this country to ransom as they had done in the past........They were THWARTED by a far-seeing government.....it doesn't matter what political beliefs that far-seeing government had, just that they sorted the miners 'leaders'...aka Scargill, et al, and helped to put this country back on track......... tony blair and his moronic free spending arseholes finished us off in the late nineties.....John Major was SO underrated, we should have stuck to him and then we MIGHT have turned out a better nation all round.

Congratulations in being around in the eighties.

In the eighties I was working down the pit. Steel, the main industry of my home town had just been systematically dismantled by dear Margaret and her henchman Mr MacGregor and the pair of them then went on to do the same with coal. Yes Arthur took the bait but there was a hitlist and the pits were closed. Communities were destroyed and even now have not recovered. We have been turned from a manufacturing nation to a nation of shopkeepers in Thatcher's own image. We rely on imports, shiploads of cheap crap from China. Thatcher knew the price of everything and the value of nothing.

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over a year ago

She was a horrible old b#st##d miners, steelworks, ship building ,construction she destroyed a lot all in the north east and to be truthful it has never recovered maybe we could have handled one blow but not all four #rotinhellyouoldc##t

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Just a little tidbit about manufacturing.

Last year we produced more cars than France and Italy combined.

Practically all Airbus wings are built in Filton and Chester, Plus Rolls Royce engines.

Heavy industry may have decline but we're still about number 6 in the world.

Even the mighty USA is about to loose to China.

Yes we are very good at putting other peoples parts together.

Unfortunately the companies that we do it for are all NON UK.

Someone gave away the likes of Land Rover & Jaguar,because they couldnt make a profit.

Looks a bit short sighted now, dont you think.

The world is a global economy and we don't have a right to be world leaders in everything.

Most of the models by Jag and LR were almost entirely developed in Britain by mainly British engineers.

In my humble opinion Britain lacks LEADERS and Managers. We have the knowledge and knowhow but then squander it."

We, the UK, doesn't value engineers enough financially so they go overseas or try to get promoted to 'management' where their true skills are wasted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Britain has the best Engineers in the world.

What it lacks is MPs that actually understand that investment is needed to produce anything.

Since 1979 every single MP has been busy filling their bank accounts,with no thought given to what happens when I lose my seat at the next election.

Self service is now utmost in the Palace of Westminster.

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over a year ago

"Britain has the best Engineers in the world.

What it lacks is MPs that actually understand that investment is needed to produce anything.

Since 1979 every single MP has been busy filling their bank accounts,with no thought given to what happens when I lose my seat at the next election.

Self service is now utmost in the Palace of Westminster.

All politics aside I fully agree.

Side note notice how most Royals have served in the Mil, vs Politicunts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Unions basically destroyed our industries one by one. In 1953 Britain produced 25% of the world's manufactured exports.

However the Unions wrecked everything. Take ship building. To build a ship it meant dealing with no less than 20 different unions-all of which would go out on strike over anything petty at the whim of the leader & they would all strike in support the other.

Even different industries would send flying pickets to support each other. Each trade had restrictive practices which meant things were very slow getting done.

Ships were finished late & over-budget, which is why the customers of the world decided to have them all built elsewhere.

Unions are supposed to protect workers jobs, not destroy them & try & turn the UK into a communist country.

So by constantly holding the country to ransom, someone like Maggie was bound to come along.

The left blame Thatcher for destroying industry, but all she did was stop subsidising industry with tax-payers money & they collapsed.

But the fact of the matter is it's not Maggie's fault the customers had buggered off years ago-because of the job destroying Unions.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Britain has the best Engineers in the world.

What it lacks is MPs that actually understand that investment is needed to produce anything.

Since 1979 every single MP has been busy filling their bank accounts,with no thought given to what happens when I lose my seat at the next election.

Self service is now utmost in the Palace of Westminster.

All politics aside I fully agree.

Side note notice how most Royals have served in the Mil, vs Politicunts"

I suspect, if you actually added them up, the 'Royals' would come out a long way back second.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

getting the impression you hold rather right wing _iews!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

getting the impression you hold rather right wing _iews! "

Waaaaaaasay beyond Atilla the Hun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Poor leadership and management killed British Industry.

Complete lack of investment,meant hundreds of men doing what is now done by a handful.

I worked at companies with "closed shop" in engineering.

You couldnt even go for your own cup of Tea.

Poor managers that could not stand up, but found it simpler to just let everything slide.

I did the 3 day week, the strike to stop job loses.

Not a single job saved and Thousands of £s lost in wages.

Spent my honeymoon on strike,because the bog rolls were the wrong colour.

Militants were not only at the top of the Unions.

They would bus in crowds for a show of hands vote for action.

They also had a good side that lots of people forget about though.

Paid holidays,sick pay,health and safety regulations.

No more hire and fire because the boss mans mate needed a job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

that far seeing govt has made Britain totally dependent on other countries for our energy,so determined to get back at the union that brought down the previous Tory govt they couldn't see or didn't care about the long term energy security of Britain,the papers already released under the 30yr rule do show she was lying about her plans for the pits,but then again all MPs lie,I think its one of the main qualities they posses,she was just better and told bigger lies than most

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

so we've done politics ..... shall we move onto religion now instead?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa

Sorry. ..... That first bit was a joke yes?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

There are none so blind .........

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over a year ago

She had complete integrity at all times. Whereas Socialists always lie to make their points!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

It has taught me one thing, and that is that those seeking to impose ideological change upon others, at whatever the cost it is - for those others - whilst standing to lose little themselves, can probably not be trusted. The political world readily attracts those who may otherwise become undesirables in society, with sociopathic or near psychopathic tendencies, and it is our responsibility to vote and shape our politics to ensure such filth have no place as our leaders.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer..

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"She had complete integrity at all times. Whereas Socialists always lie to make their points!

I heartily disagree with both those points!

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over a year ago

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer.."

He has a vivid imagination me thinks! Bet he thinks Man Utd will get 4th and Britain will win the race to be the first on Mars too.

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over a year ago

You can't tell me that she used to lie. She did not, she always confronted the truth & attacked Labour & Socialism head on. One of the reasons why she is so hated by the left is because she totally proved how wrong Socialism is by turning Britain from the sick man of Europe into a world powerhouse making the Soviets surrender in the cold war because they couldn't match the spending power of Britain & the US. I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

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over a year ago

I hate Man Yoo with a passion. They've got fucking red in their kit!

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"You can't tell me that she used to lie. She did not, she always confronted the truth & attacked Labour & Socialism head on. One of the reasons why she is so hated by the left is because she totally proved how wrong Socialism is by turning Britain from the sick man of Europe into a world powerhouse making the Soviets surrender in the cold war because they couldn't match the spending power of Britain & the US. I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

Are these widely held beliefs on your planet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you really believe she never lied? Honestly do you really believe that? If you do drop me your number I need a gulib........(ops) amiable guy to buy this fantastic 2 week time share I have you can have it for £425,000 I can finance it at 63% apr no prob for you.

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By *ing and RideCouple
over a year ago

stockport

So how old were you then when the miners strike was 1984/85.? What was "your" not your mum or dad just "your" age when it was going on.

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By *ing and RideCouple
over a year ago

stockport

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer.."

Hey how old are you? Do tell what first hand experience you have of Maggie in what way did she effect you?

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over a year ago

So how old were you then when the miners strike was 1984/85.? What was "your" not your mum or dad just "your" age when it was going on."

Basic maths that 39-30=9 its not a hard one! Tell you what you give me £100 and I will swap it for 100 £5 notes its a bargain for you you know it is.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer..

Hey how old are you? Do tell what first hand experience you have of Maggie in what way did she effect you?"

Someone who's 39 now would have been about 16 when Thatcher left office and under 10 during the Miner's Strike.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

"Just a little tidbit about manufacturing.

Last year we produced more cars than France and Italy combined.

Practically all Airbus wings are built in Filton and Chester, Plus Rolls Royce engines.

Heavy industry may have decline but we're still about number 6 in the world.

Even the mighty USA is about to loose to China."

Here is the link to production statistics for cars and commercial vehicles for 2013 - France 1.74 million +(Italy 658K) V UK 1.597M - Or is wrong?

http://www.oica.net/category/production-statistics/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Even worse on my eyes are and were are scabs. Scum as far as i concerned. They took the rises miners got over years but when time came to make a stand againt destruction of mining industry they helped destroy it.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Perhaps he is using his internet age and he is really 52

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over a year ago

Barnsley

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on."

There's people in parts of the UK who have never forgiven, far less forgotten, events of the late 17th century - some can't even forget Bannockburn.

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over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on."

To be fair some were forced back to work rather than lose their houses and more. The scab thing was wrong its bullying at best everyone should have a choice. What thatcher did was deceive at best but her husband Denis was no better in business. The big issue I have with it all was how the police were used and the appalling behavior of them as they are there to protect and serve not beat the shit out of people it was a wonder they didn't have double S's on their collars.

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over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on."

"Used the police as a private army" my arse! God you Socialists come out with some shite. The Police was used to uphold the law of Government, decided in Parliament by elected MP's in democratic elections.

What are flying pickets & gangs of picketers forcing their will against others by beatings & intimidation? That's the private army if anything-of the Unions.

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over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

the papers released already under the 30yr rule prove she was lying through her teeth about planned pit closures,she /they did have a hit list of over 70

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over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

What are flying pickets & gangs of picketers forcing their will against others by beatings & intimidation? That's the private army if anything-of the Unions.

Far from a socialist and factually the evidence is there that the police "protect and serve" were brutal and heavy handed. Its a well known fact the police of the 80's liked falsified documentation and made things up. All this denial reminds me of people who deny actions in Poland in 1944

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

the papers released already under the 30yr rule prove she was lying through her teeth about planned pit closures,she /they did have a hit list of over 70 "

It made me smile too but some like to believe what they want and hate facts getting in the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

What are flying pickets & gangs of picketers forcing their will against others by beatings & intimidation? That's the private army if anything-of the Unions.

I totally agree. However the Police were a law unto themselves & not a private Army of Thatcher.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

What are flying pickets & gangs of picketers forcing their will against others by beatings & intimidation? That's the private army if anything-of the Unions.

So the guy from the Met who wete bussed up to Yorkshire to Police the picket lines, the ones without numbers on their uniforms, the ones who used to wave wads of £10 notes at the strikers asking them where they were going on their holidays, they were all above board? You know this cos you were there I suppose unlike me who just imagined my time in the mining industry in a bizarre dream???

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

I did write quite a long post about what it was actually like to have been a part of this but I realised that no-one is interested in the actuality and are more concerned with promoting their political _iews - however misguided

June

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry but I don't see how that is somehow a private army? How the hell is the country supposed to uphold the law if they can't concetrate their forces as they see fit? Sorry there is no connection at all.

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over a year ago

"I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

But if you are 39 that means you were only born in 1974 or 75...

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over a year ago

"As bad as thatcher was and god was she bad she used cops as her private army and whichever side of the argument you are on thats disgraceful.

Fully undetstand the divisions of friends and families but for it to pass down generations and affect kids of today. Never forget what happened but move on.

What are flying pickets & gangs of picketers forcing their will against others by beatings & intimidation? That's the private army if anything-of the Unions.

I totally agree. However the Police were a law unto themselves & not a private Army of Thatcher."

Factually the contract the police were on was different for the "overtime" they were on for the strike action. They were effectively a mercenary army payed on a different basis and this mercenary force was employed by parliament paid from the treasury and the head of parliament was Thatcher and someone who is the head of a mercenary force is?

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over a year ago

Maggie wasn't a dictator like Scargill. The Police served the people & did a great job ensuring that the Communists couldn't take over & turn us into a Soviet satellite & for that we should all be very grateful.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

"I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

But if you are 39 that means you were only born in 1974 or 75... "

Previous references to this fact have been ignorned lol

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over a year ago

"Sorry but I don't see how that is somehow a private army? How the hell is the country supposed to uphold the law if they can't concetrate their forces as they see fit? Sorry there is no connection at all."

upholding the law doesn't involve brutaliseing the citizens and lying about it. And the AS THEY SEE FIT bit explain that educate me in how that takes priority over the law of the land! And while your down that big hole you are digging for yourself don't go too deep or you will never get out.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

But if you are 39 that means you were only born in 1974 or 75...

Previous references to this fact have been ignorned lol"

And will no doubt continue to be. Why let the facts get in the way of a rant?

Thank fuck he's not a fan of Churchill.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"Maggie wasn't a dictator like Scargill. The Police served the people & did a great job ensuring that the Communists couldn't take over & turn us into a Soviet satellite & for that we should all be very grateful.

Where on earth are you getting your fantasies from? There was never any possibility of communists taking over. What kind of bedtime stories did your parents read to you in those formative years?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where on earth are you getting your fantasies from? There was never any possibility of communists taking over. What kind of bedtime stories did your parents read to you in those formative years?"

Its a good one had me literally laughing here especially the bit "The Police served the people & did a great job ensuring that the Communists couldn't take over & turn us into a Soviet satellite" It would shock the powers that be in plod central they were there to influence political control in the UK. its a great post though to plant in a growbag to make the roses grow though.

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over a year ago

Where on earth are you getting your fantasies from? There was never any possibility of communists taking over. What kind of bedtime stories did your parents read to you in those formative years?"

I get it from this. Scargill set up a Socialist party after the strike. In it's manifesto it clearly stated that Scargill would abolish the armed forces. How the hell do you think that "Bedtime story" would've paned out during the cold war? He is a traitor to the British people & should be hung.

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over a year ago

The communists? What the absolute fuck?

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over a year ago

& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

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over a year ago

"I so used to enjoy listening to the Maggie & Neil show, PMQ's in the 80's where she would annihilate Kinnock every week.

But if you are 39 that means you were only born in 1974 or 75...

Previous references to this fact have been ignorned lol"

Tory boy! or was that Willy Hague no it was Tory Boy Harry Enfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EucJIl0uonE

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

Don't let Mr Farage hear you say that. He'll take away your crayons.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

Where on earth are you getting your fantasies from? There was never any possibility of communists taking over. What kind of bedtime stories did your parents read to you in those formative years?

If you seriously believe that 'King Arthur had a snowball's chance in he'll of being elected to any kind of position of power you're more deluded than has already been suggested. You remember the Cold War well I suppose.

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over a year ago

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

This offer to educate me...errr how about this age issue with you watching PQT expain that one as you have ignored it totally so far and your beetroot face is a treat.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Where on earth are you getting your fantasies from? There was never any possibility of communists taking over. What kind of bedtime stories did your parents read to you in those formative years?

You believe a trade unionist should be hung?

Reminds me of a poem I once heard...

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over a year ago

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

you are on a roll tonight Bertie and one! Churchill greatest Britain?? Seriously?

1/ Look at his military history it was dire

2/Politics wise he was also poor pre and post war, he was a figurehead and that was it tactically naive drank heavily and struggled with pressure. As a figurehead he was managed well and filled the part.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Everyone knows Stalin won WWII.

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over a year ago

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

you are on a roll tonight Bertie and one! Churchill greatest Britain?? Seriously?

1/ Look at his military history it was dire

So I suppose that we'd have been better off under the Nazis? Are you serious?

Just for that alone makes him the greatest ever Briton.

Also PMQ's were on the radio at our house & enjoyed listening to it. I've always been interested in Politics from a very young age because WW2 interested me from the age of 5. By the time I was 8 I was learning about why the war started, which is economics my dear friends.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

you are on a roll tonight Bertie and one! Churchill greatest Britain?? Seriously?

1/ Look at his military history it was dire

So I suppose that we'd have been better off under the Nazis? Are you serious?

Just for that alone makes him the greatest ever Briton.

So many years, so little knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone knows Stalin won WWII."

An interesting theory but you could say he only did what he did with the convoys of supplies from the US so maybe them there Arrrmereeekuns won it.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

What you'll find if you do your homework is that there is generally little to choose between the extreme right and extreme left. This sort of explains why neither have ever really got a foothold in our political system though the Tories have given it a good try. Churchill was the the right msn for the job at the time but he couldn't do the job in peacetime. Horses for courses. Unfortunately for him but luckily for the rest of us there is more peace than war. Mot knocking his achievements but to say he was the greatest ever Briton is at risk of ignoring many other worthwhile contenders.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone knows Stalin won WWII."

Yes he did, but we didn't lose. & when we stood alone against the Nazis Stalin was on Hitlers side. If we hadn't have stayed in the war when Germany attacked Russia they might have won because the Yanks would've been sensible enough not to bother helping the Communists win.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Everyone knows Stalin won WWII.

An interesting theory but you could say he only did what he did with the convoys of supplies from the US so maybe them there Arrrmereeekuns won it.

That's the Hollywood version.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"& Churchill was the greatest Briton that ever lived. He defeated the Nazis- who just happened to be left wing Socialists & not wing like the Socialists claim. Ditto the Fascists too!

you are on a roll tonight Bertie and one! Churchill greatest Britain?? Seriously?

1/ Look at his military history it was dire

So I suppose that we'd have been better off under the Nazis? Are you serious?

Just for that alone makes him the greatest ever Briton.

Bertie you live up to your user name quote where i said we would have been better off under the Nazis? Come on sop your innate dreaming and quote it go on do it!

Oh and PMQ's were on at what hour on the radio for a 5 yr old to listen to them? Think carefully on this one as I know the answer and will out you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's bollocks that extreme right & extreme left are almost identical. The Communists are the most left wing & the Nazis almost as much so. But being right wing is about smaller Government, lower taxes & increased responsibility. An extreme right winger is like a victorian mill owner that doesn't like to pay any tax & send kids up chimneys.

The Nazis were a party of high taxation, therefore left wing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's bollocks that extreme right & extreme left are almost identical. The Communists are the most left wing & the Nazis almost as much so. But being right wing is about smaller Government, lower taxes & increased responsibility. An extreme right winger is like a victorian mill owner that doesn't like to pay any tax & send kids up chimneys.

The Nazis were a party of high taxation, therefore left wing."

In my _iew thats incorrect they are very different however they are both extreme with their _iews and ignore things when they are pulled up on them. He he he like you

And Churchill wasn't the greatest Britain he was in-between Barry and Paul chuckle in the Greatest Britain's. Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Sir Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and even Oliver Cromwell as individuals contributed more towards society in Britain.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"..... And Churchill wasn't the greatest Britain he was in-between Barry and Paul chuckle in the Greatest Britain's. Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Sir Isaac Newton, Charles Darwin and even Oliver Cromwell as individuals contributed more towards society in Britain."

Don't forget Nelson.

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

The Nazis were a party of high taxation, therefore left wing."

Yes like those well known mill owners the National Front, English Defence League et al. The far right and the far left are little better than gangs. They are not interested in democracy or taxation but rather the imposition of their will by thuggery and intimidation. They both result in dictatorship. They both result in minorities bearing the brunt. Bertie I'm afraid you do talk bollocks.

Night night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson."

Nelson had lots of bits missing so you can't really cont him or are you talking Mandella?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Don't forget Nelson.

Nelson had lots of bits missing so you can't really cont him or are you talking Mandella? "

Lots of great Brits have bits missing. Look at Gordon Brown.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson."

The last thing I want to do is stick up for Mr bollocks but Churchill was voted as the greatest ever Briton. Brunel came in second. But bizarrely Diana came in third so I'm not sure of the validity of this vote or what sort of people were voting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson.

That was popularity vote as lets face it John Lennon was on it too and he did some good ditties but if he was really great would he have married Yoko or done all that illegal substances. The think about a vote is people have to know people on the list so Diana, Lennon and Churchill are known does that make them great? If so would one direction and Ant and Dec be on one if you did it now and would they then be the greatest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson.

I would imagine Ant & Dec would get on the list in about twenty years. Hopefully one direction would have sunk into obscurity by then.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Ah the miners strike 30 years ago is it, oh happy days.

Was there was involved and was affected.

But hey whats the point, reduced to bassetisms and childish name calling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson.

Nelson had lots of bits missing so you can't really cont him or are you talking Mandella?

Lots of great Brits have bits missing. Look at Gordon Brown."

Are you talking about his brain?

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Always nice to see people coming together to reminisce over past times

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer..

Hey how old are you? Do tell what first hand experience you have of Maggie in what way did she effect you?"

to whom is that addressed?

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

Happy days, the fresh air, the running, the healthy meals and lifestyle.

The feeling of community and togetherness.

The respect for our thin blue line, my how times have changed.

I type this with a tear in my eye and yet a smile on my face for times past.

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By *errynjuneCouple
over a year ago

Barnsley

"Maggie Thatcher never told a lie, however Tony B.Liar never once told the truth.

this is not a dig but are you on very strong medication..?

because you either are under the influence of something or your delusional to the point of becoming a shouty, ranty type with no actual facts to what you refer..

Hey how old are you? Do tell what first hand experience you have of Maggie in what way did she effect you?

to whom is that addressed?"

Snatched his milk?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't forget Nelson.

Nelson had lots of bits missing so you can't really cont him or are you talking Mandella?

Lots of great Brits have bits missing. Look at Gordon Brown.

Are you talking about his brain? "

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By *hecat007Woman
over a year ago

Round the corner

I remember and don't need reminding of the miners strike I was a teenager at the time my dad was a miner my brother was a miner my uncle too and my grandad when he was alive was a miner .the men of my family worked at Goldthorpe highgate and barnburgh pits .times of deep despair sorrow pride and bravery .we had nothing but also had everything we valued .it was a long hard fight bad times suffering but we had love and respect and everyone did the best they could for each other .we fed whole communities in soup kitchens we clubbed together for funerals weddings ect we managed .yes I witnessed mass (police )even on horseback charging through the villages clubbing bystanders and arresting people needlessly brute force and bullying of women and children .i lived through it but don't forget it .my opinion is valid when I say I hate mrs Thatcher she was an evil greedy and corrupt woman she was only interested in selling of the countries best assets she fleeced the country for personal gain ..long before she was a mp back in her younger Tory party days she and close friends were responsible for hoarding and storing mass amounts of sugar and toilet roll she was cunning they bought the lot warehoused it to create a shortage a need and made huge profits .she was manipulative and nasty all her life I hope they will never be another like her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't agree with you more.

I'm an ex miner and my father and grandfather were miners too.

It was a shite job,very dangerous at times with unbelievably bad working conditions.You really cant describe to anyone dragging your body down a two foot high tunnel for over 50 yards in temps near 100 F with nothing but glorified bicycle lamp for light!

The lowest gap I ever measured was 18 inch and we had over a mile of rock over our heads.

Then you could have the opposite crawling on your hands and knees under a three foot gap with half a foot of freezing cold water!

However the men I worked with and went on strike with were some of the most decent human beings and friends I've ever had.

We hated the job but needed the money but loved each other like brothers.

I'd go back tomorrow just for the comradeship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't agree with you more.

I'm an ex miner and my father and grandfather were miners too.

The lowest gap I ever measured was 18 inch and we had over a mile of rock over our heads.

Then you could have the opposite crawling on your hands and knees under a three foot gap with half a foot of freezing cold water!

However the men I worked with and went on strike with were some of the most decent human beings and friends I've ever had.

We hated the job but needed the money but loved each other like brothers.

I'd go back tomorrow just for the comradeship.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excuse me..........

Just out of curioustuy what do you do for a living??

I am chief mechanical engineer with a local fabrication company."

As you posted before "that was their choice to work down a mine" you could have gone to work down a mine an earn good money for doing a dangerous job but you instead decided to go to collage

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By *arnayguyMan
over a year ago

Durham Tees

As regularly happens with any references to the miners strike or the demise of the mining industry, there is rarely any mention of Tony Benn, certainly never from the pro mining side. But more mines were closed by Tony Benn than Thatcher and the Tories ever closed. And I come from a mining family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the amount of energy we've left underground and now we rely on foreign country's for our energy security,skilled well payed jobs that were lost,disgrace to people and country form government and union,fighting their own 'corners' not national good

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seen a lot of references on here about the experiences of people and during the miners strike

what no one has mentioned that once the mines (think there are three deep coal mines left in the county?) of how much coal we now import from counties that employ children to mine this coal?

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

Oh dear

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

A SENIOR SNP MSP has apologised after wrongly accusing Lord George Foulkes of being “silent” during the miners’ strike in 1984 when he was a Labour MP in Ayrshire.

Former children’s minister Adam Ingram claimed last Wednesday that people in the mining community of Auchinleck had had to “cope with the silence” of their Member of Parliament during the strike, which still raises deep passions 30 years on.

The claim, in a Holyrood debate, drew a sharp response from Lord Foulkes, who in 1984 was the MP for the Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley constituency. He accused Mr Ingram of “lying”.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/adam-ingram-sorry-you-did-support-the-miners-1-3349630

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It was a disgusting time, the miners were put in their place after holding the country to ransom for too long and, I'n proud to have been involved on Margaret's side, End of."
hmmm I really don't like your opinion. We're you living in a mining village during the strike? I think your opinion might change if you were. We weren't holding nobody to random all we wanted to do was fight for our rights to work in an industry that we loved. We were fighting for our children's future and our communities. You really don't have a clue about the deviation the pit closures caused.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the amount of energy we've left underground and now we rely on foreign country's for our energy security,skilled well payed jobs that were lost,disgrace to people and country aa form government and union,fighting their own 'corners' not national good"

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By *ScotsmanMan
over a year ago

ayrshire

news just in . . . .the strike has ended and Maggie is a cunt. . .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As regularly happens with any references to the miners strike or the demise of the mining industry, there is rarely any mention of Tony Benn, certainly never from the pro mining side. But more mines were closed by Tony Benn than Thatcher and the Tories ever closed. And I come from a mining family. "

That may well be the case, however neither Tony Benn nor the labour party had an agenda to destroy the mining industry and neuter the power of the trades union movement.

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By *aulatv_ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Rhyl

"It was a disgusting time, the miners were put in their place after holding the country to ransom for too long and, I'n proud to have been involved on Margaret's side, End of."

Before you blame anyone have a look at the documentary "shock Doctrine" you will see what the real problem was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more people got killed on the farm than down the pit

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By *thyorksCouple
over a year ago

ROTHERHAM

"It was a disgusting time, the miners were put in their place after holding the country to ransom for too long and, I'n proud to have been involved on Margaret's side, End of.hmmm I really don't like your opinion. We're you living in a mining village during the strike? I think your opinion might change if you were. We weren't holding nobody to random all we wanted to do was fight for our rights to work in an industry that we loved. We were fighting for our children's future and our communities. You really don't have a clue about the deviation the pit closures caused. "

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By *WStockingtopsCouple
over a year ago

bristol

I have an interest in Coalmines and have taken a few pictures of remaining derelict collieries.

im into photography and took a pic recently in Cefn Coed.

I had an email from a Trade Union asking permission to use the picture in a magazine to commemorate 30 years of the strike.

After a few correspondance with the enquirer he went past his deadline by the time i could do a final reply (being at work) and chose another pic which he admitted wasnt as good as mine.

Gutted

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"more people got killed on the farm than down the pit"

Tis a nicer environment to get killed in though

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By *anny PepperoniMan
over a year ago

Matlock

"more people got killed on the farm than down the pit

Tis a nicer environment to get killed in though

Not if you drown in a silage pond.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"more people got killed on the farm than down the pit

Tis a nicer environment to get killed in though

Not if you drown in a silage pond. "

Touch'e

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